The Edmonton Oilers have signed first overall selection Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to his entry level contract. Details up soon at capgeek. RNH is the Oilers second 1st overall pick in a row and stands a very good chance of making the big club in the fall.
The big decision will come after 9 NHL games. At that point the Oilers will need to decide to keep him--thus burning a year of the entry level deal signed today--or return him to junior for the WJ's and Red Deer's regular season plus playoffs.
Source is here.
Unless he completely dominates in the 1st 9 games, showing that he's already a player, send him back. No sense getting Gagner'd twice.
ReplyDeleteWOW!! that was quick!! I still hope he returns to junior for one more year.
ReplyDeletesuch a great week, I'm gonna take a rare Saturday w/o the g\f to watch 1997 QF G7...and as LT would say...have a beer, and then have another
ReplyDeleteWelcome top 2 lines centre RNH.
ReplyDeleteAdios one of Gagner / Cogliano.
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ReplyDeleteI suspect they'll lean towards demoting him regardless because the WJC is in Alberta and that makes it an even bigger attention draw.
ReplyDeleteLet's try that again... I think a lack of courage or confidence are the only things that can hold RNH now.
ReplyDeleteThey don't give two hoots about the WJC. It will make money one way or the other.
ReplyDeletespOILer: speeds had a great comment today on Nation Radio. He said that he felt RNH stays if he can be as impressive as Gagner (I think that's correct).
ReplyDeleteSeems reasonable.
As far as I can tell this puts the Oilers at 47 contracts - and they presumably will need two goalers for the farm.
ReplyDeleteWhat you see is what you get on the Oilers and in OKL.
LT: remember Hall's first 9 games, when we were about the only two people that said he should stay?
ReplyDeleteGagner's first 9 were far better IIRC.
I think all he has to do is match Hall... show that he has the cojones to play against bigger men, can execute and not be self-conscious. Points will be less relevant.
Players can be signed to ELC with no expectation they will play but this has an 89 or 13 gone before too long feel.
ReplyDeleteIts OT, but relevant to the previous thread.
ReplyDeleteMike Green.
There are some concerns with the player's health, the contract and production.
I like Mike Green. He's a mid/soft minute killer who has excelled at 5v4.
That being said, here are my concerns with the Oiler's acquiring him.
1) The first problem is his health. He only played 49 games this year in the regular season. He missed time due mostly to concussion issues after he got hit in the head with a puck.
Injuries are a bitch, and severe head injuries are the biggest, meanest bitches. He may not be the same player.
2) The contract.
He makes $5.25MM this year and is RFA at the end, with arbitration rights, so effectively you have him for two years. $5.25 the first and $5.77 the 2nd, then he is UFA.
The spectre of arbitration and coming out with a one year deal then UFA gives you only 2 years of this player, which significantly dimishes the value of trading for him.
Whether or not Green is worth his contract $ is a seperate issue.
3) His production fell of the face of the earth this year BEFORE his injuries.
Here are some key numbers for Green over the last 3 years. (all stats min 40gms played, 5v4 min 1min/60)
08/09
5v5
CorQC 4/6
CorQT 3/6
RelCor 1/6
PDO 1021
Pts/60 1.58 (1st in NHL Dmen)
+/-/60 1.37 (1st in NHL Dmen)
5v4
Pts/60 6.18 (5th in NHL)
09/10
5v5
CorQC 3/7
CorQT 2/7
RelCor 2/7
PDO 1058 (highest in NHL with 13.5 ONSH% also highest in NHL)
Pts/60 1.77 (1st in NHL Dmen)
+/-/60 2.09 (2nd in NHL Dmen)
5v4
Pts/60 5.04 (8th in NHL)
10/11
CorQC 6/7
CorQT 4/7
RelCor 1/7
PDO 1001
Pts/60 0.84 (64th in NHL Dmen)
+/-/60 .21 (70th in NHL Dmen)
5v4
Pts/60 2.38 (73rd in NHL)
So there was a massive drop off in results, even though his ice time actually got easier, and that occured before his head injury (he returned in the playoffs).
Paying big $ is ok for the player who put up 08/09 and 09/10, but certainly not 10/11. Which Green are you getting?
Finally, if McPhee is shopping him, your radar should be going off.
So given you can only guarantee having him for 2 years, the questions on his health, the questions on his production and the question why McPhee would move him, I think you have to pass or at the very least not give up too much and a guy like Green is going to demand a lot coming back.
You can't give up a key guy who you will have for the next 7 years for this guy.
WOW!! that was quick!!
ReplyDeleteWhen you offer the rookie max it kinda takes the negotiation out of it.
LT until the Oilers get a winger to protect RNH's butt he shouldn't play in the NHL, he's only going to get hurt. It's best to send him down for a year or two, this way he gains more skill and size. Also the Oilers will be a much better team then.
ReplyDeleteIf I am not mistaken the last time the first forward taken in a draft did not play in the NHL that same year was Dany Heatley in 2000.
ReplyDelete(exception to Ovechkin in 2004 due to lockout)
The last time a forward taken at #1 overall did not play in the bigs the same year he was drafted was 1991, Eric Lindros.
I would say the odds of RNH being in the opening game lineup and hanging around are pretty good.
I'm fairly certain Green's offensive falloff had a lot to do with the organization devoting itself to a more defensive style.
ReplyDeleteNice recap on Green Woodguy.
ReplyDeleteWhen Washington was eliminated, there was a lot criticism being directed at the poor production of important players, and Green was one of them.
Whether fair or not, something was obviously not right this year and whether it's injury (concussion?) or chemistry, those numbers are very concerning.
As we saw with Stoll, coming back from a concussion takes time. Question is will he bounce back.
Or, is McPhee desperate to change things up because he's running out of chances?
But I'm not
Green had hip problem as well. He probably came back too early from the concussion.
ReplyDeleteWashington revamped it's team play this year and Green made a big commitment to the defensive side of the game. He also mentored rookie Carlson which lends to a more conservative approach.
Ovechkin had a pedestrian year by his standards and was less then stellar on the PP. Backstrom was a total passenger for a large part of the year.
If Green is over his concussion issues then he's poised for a strong bounce back season in Washington.
I'm fairly certain Green's offensive falloff had a lot to do with the organization devoting itself to a more defensive style.
ReplyDeleteI don't doubt that, even with the easier QC, but I think he dropped % wise more than the team.
WAS scoring last 3 years:
08/09
5v5 155 2.7/60
5v4 78 9.9/60
09/10
5v5 213 3.6/60
5v4 69 9.2/60
10/11
5v5 145 2.4/60
5v4 40 5.6/60
WAS's PP fell of the face of the earth, but 5v5 was very similar to 08/09 and Green wasn't close to his numbers for those years.
Nice post Woodguy.
ReplyDeleteIt makes sense for McPhee to try to get value for Green now even if he does bounce back. Returning to his former production is certainly a question mark at this point. I think we've had our fair share of risky bets on underwhelming former first rounders (Brule, Smid, Teubert, now Barker) and studs stricken by serious injury (Whitney). What hockey player remains in Green after a serious concussion is a very good question, and hopefully one that the Oilers brass is considering carefully before sending a lot of value back to WSH.
Smarmy,
ReplyDeleteYou could be right. I like Green and WAS and cheer for them every year.
I think MacT would win a cup if he coached that team.
Given that you really only get him for 2 years if you trade for him, I don't think he's worth the price or the risk he doesn't bounce back.
Green's abilities didn't just disappear. No one's stats go in a straight line. And every player in the league is one hit away from a career-ending concussion. The risk-reward doesn't look that bad to me.
ReplyDeleteWell I don't think the Oilers should trade for Mike Green. I'd rather see him stay in Washington to see what that team can do.
ReplyDeleteThe picked up some vet blue liners and Alzner and Carlson have another year.
I suspect Washington will steam roll the east throughout the season and we'll see what they can do come playoffs.
He had back to back 70+ point seasons and that's a great year for most forwards in this league. It's insane for a blue liner. He's had three seasons with more goals then Gagner's all time best.
So even if he falls into a 50-60 point defender with more attention paid to his defense. I think he will be a Norris candidate for years to come.
Vokoun signed by the Caps for $1.5 mil...huh?
ReplyDeleteGreat post WG. With all that we are learning about concussions now, I would steer away from guy's who have really struggled with them in their past. It's a different story when it's someone who is already on your team but I don't think I would give up assets to acquire players with a previous history.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of RNH, here's the latest on Alex Giroux (sounds like he's leaning towards signing elsewhere):
ReplyDeletehttp://blog.newsok.com/barons-hockey/2011/07/02/giroux-still-chasing-dream/
Hope that RNH contract is one of those "SR" contracts - so it will slide if he doesn't play in the NHL this season.
ReplyDeleteHope that RNH contract is one of those "SR" contracts - so it will slide if he doesn't play in the NHL this season.
ReplyDeleteFrom Capgeek (faq #11):
How does an entry-level contract slide?
If a player aged 18 or 19 signs an entry-level contract with a club (with his age calculated on Sept. 15 of the year he signed the contract) but does not play in at least 10 NHL games, the contract will "slide" or be extended one year. The extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31 in the year he signed the contract.
Depending on the contract's structure, the player's cap hit can be affected either by an increase or a decrease. Players who sign at age 18 can have their contract extended (or "slide") two seasons.
CBA reference: Section 9.1 (d) (P. 23-24)
Thanks Woodguy
ReplyDeleteWas looking for the RNH Ivan Hlinka GHG on youtube, but found this jem instead..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xkXMIv-ss
As a hockey fan I appreciate seeing the whole play develop, but moreso as an oilerfan because #9 is playing front and centre..
I think this video is a good example of how he can play nearly the whole PP by conserving his energy..
Nice..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdydAv73S1U&NR=1
Found it...
Love info routinely shared here. If RNH kicks ass at training camp, expect he sticks. Hope for us that does not happen. Would prefer the Eberle model,
ReplyDeleteLet him grow, muscle up and join Oil when it matters. Not a reflection on RNH. Want him to succeed.
Like what Tambellini has done so far-- really like Smyth and Belanger deals but expect we still need to trade for or sign a guy on back end who can tread water against tough opposition.
Do not think Oil will not make playoffs but the losing for the sake of losing is OVER
"Vokoun signed by the Caps for $1.5 mil...huh?"
ReplyDeleteDouble huh?!..
Last thing,
ReplyDeleteCheck out Mike Green's defense / compete on this play.. be aware of the context (Down 4-0 to ATL, 3 min left), but c'mon.. really MG?!..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWTYKMZ0Eyw
Oilersfan: Sample.
ReplyDeleteAs for Vokoun it shows the ridiculousness of Bryzgalov's signing.
Philly fucked their team up when they just could have signed him cheap.
I'm not sure where the line of thinking comes from that Eberle was handled great by being left in Junior a couple of years and Gagner was ruined by being pushed straight into the show. Both of them went .62 ppg in their rookie seasons. Gagner has stagnated since then, but considering how high we all are on Eberle right now it's a little silly to look back and say that Gagner's rookie year was anything but a success as well.
ReplyDeleteAs for Vokoun it shows the ridiculousness of Bryzgalov's signing.
ReplyDeletePhilly fucked their team up when they just could have signed him cheap.
No, it shows what happens when the music stops and all the chairs are taken. Vokoun was apparently asking for big bucks and priced himself out of the market.
The Bryz contract is excessive though.
I'm just gonna repost this here from the old balance thread because threads die quickly these days; and it's fitting given the topic of this one
ReplyDeleteI guess going forward Belanger Can be a 4th line - though it would be a luxary - and it's hard to think both 89 and Hopkins can be on the same team.
Or they both can't be on the same team with belanger, lander and 10 and we know that.
if bob stauffer's transvestite twitter handle is correct, 83's out the door and that means 23 will stick.
I'm not gonna try and take a run at the lines until I see who we deal for the top four D; if at all.
I predict it will eventually be 89 though. Personally, I give 89 this season to pump his stats because he's gonna have great linemates and it gives the next 89 - at least stature-wise - the chance to get older and physically more mature.
Then we 89 for a D.
Of course the future could also hold 89-Hopkins-Belanger-Lander if 83 or 10 can be dealt for a real D.
Bottom line is we look solid on the wings but we need another real D. The Oilers have all kinds of bottom pairing D but if they're hoping for Barker to be a top four then that's based on nothing but wishes.
That last line by Dennis is the worry imo. 6's and 7's and 9's.
ReplyDeleteWashington now has $500K in cap space, so they're not going to ask for big contracts in return for whoever they ship out. I bet Green can be had for Cogliano, a good prospect and a pick. Cap space is a precious commodity in the NHL these days.
ReplyDeleteIf WSH only has $500k in room, I doubt they want any contract at all. Likely just a pick and prospect would do it.
ReplyDeleteI have heard the chatter around Green, I and really think the perception selling him short is 'seen him good' based. I know some numbers back this up, but it coincides with WSH's different defensive focus and ignores the fact that a couple of years ago he was a Norris contender. And Willis did a write-up at that point showing he was not just a points machine but a strong defensive presence too. If the Oilers could scoop him, the team would be fortunate beyond all expectation.
I bet Green can be had for Cogliano, a good prospect and a pick. Cap space is a precious commodity in the NHL these days.
ReplyDeleteSo Cogliano, MPS and next year's first?
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ReplyDeleteSo Cogliano, MPS and next year's first?
ReplyDeleteI'm having some trouble envisioning MPS as a prospect.
Why not try Cogs, Plante and a 2nd and see if McPhee is still drunk from his Vokoun signing party?
Bringing in Mike Green for a "pick and prospect" would set back the rebuild.
ReplyDeleteThe Oilers need a ton of development from all their young guys (both on the roster and in the minors) before they are anywhere close to contenders or the rebuild is over.
Green is the type of guy you bring in at the end, not midstream.
Bring him in this summer and in two years you will be watching him leave as a UFA and wishing you had the prospect you gave up.
Even bikini girl has stated that the Oilers want to make the playoffs THIS year. At some point you have to win some games.
ReplyDeleteI know there exists a desire to get rid of Cogliano at any price, but I still don't think WSH would want him. I believe they are set at centre and are certainly filled up to the cap, so why take him on? Why not re-stock with some good prospect(s) and a pick instead? This is what I would be doing if I was McPhee.
ReplyDeleteEven bikini girl has stated that the Oilers want to make the playoffs THIS year. At some point you have to win some games.
ReplyDeleteAt some point you have to face reality. No one on this team scored more than 43 pts last year.
They were -72 in goal differential. They need get that to even just to think about the playoffs.
They have a bunch of vets who are injury prone (Horc, Whitney, Smyth, Gagner, Hemsky).
They have DD who had his best save % at any level last year and an old guy who had his worst in a while.
All of this isn't going to change because we brought in 3 toughies, a reclamation project, and a faceoff guy.
Its not going to change because we bring in Mike Green for two years.
Maybe Hall and Eberle will each get 70 pts this year and the defence will tighten up.
Most likely we will see a few kids really improve, a few take a step back, and a marginal improvement into 12th or so.
The belief that Eberle was handled right was that at age 18 he was small, slow and could use the extra time to muscle up and get quicker. That is exactly what happened. By waiting for him to get stronger, the Oilers got someone who has no difficulty with the pace of the game. His speed today is a non issue
ReplyDeleteThe things Gagner can't do now are all the same things he could not do 4 years ago.
At some point you have to face reality. No one on this team scored more than 43 pts last year.
ReplyDeleteOur goaltending was putrid last year. And the sewage flowed downhill from there.
Just throwing it out there that 2 years of Green won't be cheap and the Oilers don't have a #1G.
ReplyDeleteIn 2006 they had a team that went to game 7 of the SCF, but almost didn't make the playoffs due to the lack of 1G. h
I think Green is an interesting option but the Oilers need to be certain that:
ReplyDelete1. he's healthy
2. they can fit him in capwise.
If the answer is yes, than a trade is possible (depending on return). Just don't trade any of the gifted kids, and that's probably what WAS wants.
Oh, and get them to throw in that kid goalie from Marshall, SK.
It's also important to remember this might not have been a -72 GD team. The score effects in Oiler games last year were ridiculous. Of course, all GD has been affected by score effects historically, but it was absolutely comical how teams would work the throttle against our Oilers.
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with Ducey here, but if they were able to add a legit top pairing dman without impacting the top nine and top four of the current depth chart, upgrade the goaltending, and manage to get better up front internally they might not be far off at all. The current upgrades have been pretty minor, but one more big move that actually pushes other players down the depth chart could be enough.
If Green's healthy and available for Cogliano and next year's first, then that's a no-brainer. You don't worry about the money because it fits with the entry level deals for Hall, MPS and Eberle. You can worry about bringing him back at that time. If he can't return to his previous level of performance it's no worry. If he can, then the Oilers are a legit threat for the playoffs the next two years.
The Oilers most pressing remaining need is a tough minutes defensive defenseman.
ReplyDeleteThat isn't Mike Green.
Ryan Whitney holds the Mike Green spot on the Oilers...i.e. mediocre defensively with an elite offensive skill, Whitney==passing, Green==rushing.
Petry has the chance to develop into a better all-around version of either Whitney or Green.
The Oilers have Klefbom in the pipeline who comes with puck rushing ability.
Mike Green would be a backward-looking acquisition, not a forward-looking one.
Get the defensive D instead.
I would overpay for Bogosian in a trade before I would trade for Green.
I don't mind trading for Green.I just wouldn't use next years 1st round pick as part of the pkg.
ReplyDeleteAs much as this team improved on Friday they are only a couple of injuries away from a top 5 pick.
Godot, you're too focused on form over function there. Just like WAS this past year. All anyone should care about is whether A new dman's presence increases the 5V5 GD and if he helps the PP. How he does this does not matter at all. Period.
ReplyDeleteDo people really think Boston won the cup this year because of the way they played? If so, you missed the point entirely.
Would Hemsky for Green make sense?
ReplyDelete- Both are coming off injury plagued seasons.
- Both have a year left on their deals
- it would give some cap relief to Wsh
- Edm gets an RFA, Wsh gets a UFA
- Hemsky would be nice for Ovechkin
- a Whitney/Green top pairing would really push the pace.
- Green would immensely help the PP, and help fill a hole on RHD.
As much as this team improved on Friday they are only a couple of injuries away from a top 5 pick.
ReplyDeleteThe team didn't improve that much on Friday. Almost every move addressed the bottom pairing and the fourth line. But, if they make 1-2 serious moves that actually push legit NHL players down the depth chart instead of AHL players off the chart, then the value of that pick is not that high for this club.
If they can make another move or two, then I can't imagine worrying about that draft pick. They have to start looking like a playoff team before that should happen though.
I agree with Godot
ReplyDeleteI think Green would be a nice addition but slightly duplicative of Whitney. We still need "quiet ice" out there where bad things do not happen. In 06 quiet ice was whenever Pronger was on ice with anyone on our D. think the priority is a shutdown D but lots of teams looking for that right now
Does it matter if we have Khabby playing 50 games?
RQ
ReplyDeleteThe Oilers currently on have ONE defenseman who can play above average defensively (i.e. Gilbert).
Mike Green would not make it TWO.
The Oilers have no above average or even average defensemen who are mean.
Mike Green would not change that from ZERO.
The way to get better is to fix the holes and weaknesses first.
They got the 3rd line centre. They main need is an above average defensive D.
Would Hemsky for Green make sense?
ReplyDeleteMaybe if they have the means to then make an offer sheet on Voracek. That would soften the blow on Hemsky a little. I don't think the Oilers can afford to deal a top sixer without replacing the guy. I like Omark way more as a tweener than as the #2 RWer.
I tend to agree with Ducey here, but if they were able to add a legit top pairing dman without impacting the top nine and top four of the current depth chart, upgrade the goaltending, and manage to get better up front internally they might not be far off at all.
ReplyDeleteZona is banging the Andrej Sekera drum.
Sabers are capstrung and Sekera is a RFA.
Sekera played the toughs with Myers, as well as being 2PK and 2PP.
Not sure how much of his numbers were driven by playing with Myers, but I bet he comes cheap.
Only downside is that he is LH.
The team didn't improve that much on Friday. Almost every move addressed the bottom pairing and the fourth line.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree 100% with the sentiment of adding better NHLers at every turn, if you look at Zona's breakdown of Dennis' SC data, the Oilers were almost holding their own on the top two lines and getting killed on 3 & 4.
Firming up the bottom 6 was almost as much a priority as 1/2 D imo.
godot10 said...
ReplyDeleteRQ
The Oilers currently on have ONE defenseman who can play above average defensively (i.e. Gilbert).
Mike Green would not make it TWO.
I really don't think it matters how you outscore the opposition. Will a healthy Green get the results?
The Oilers have no above average or even average defensemen who are mean.
I don't know where to start here, because this statement is so far from pragmatism, I cannot relate to it.
Lubomir Visnovsky was the most effective dman the Oilers have had in the last ten years outside of Pronger. He wasn't big and he wasn't mean and nor are the big wheels on DET's defense. Results are the only thing that matters.
Godot: Being mean doesn't make you good defensively, neither is it necessary.
ReplyDeleteGilbert:
QC: (1st D)
QT: (1st D)
GAON/60: 3,23
+-ON60: -0,87
Green:
QC: (5th D)
QT: (4th D)
GAON/60: 2,11
+-ON/60: 0,21
Mike Green's defence isn't that terrible. Sure he's not playing the best but it's pretty good.
WG: I'll have to look at it again, but the only SCs that matter for last year's team are when the score was tied or within a goal. Everything else was way out of whack beyond anything I've ever seen before. I bet the top six looks less impressive under those circumstances.
ReplyDeleteIN 2007-2008 Mike Green played the toughs
ReplyDeleteQC: (2nd D)
QT: (5th D)
GFON/60: 2.67
GAON/60: 2.46
+-ON/60: 0.21
PDO: 985
Hah! It seems pretty damn good to me.
So was Green a defensive liability in Washington? I'm thinking that if the puck is spending most of its time in the offensive zone and the opponent's net, the ice is pretty calm down in our end.
ReplyDeleteBut I agree that a Pronger-type d-man would be even better.
RQ,
ReplyDeleteIs the SC data at various scores posted anywhere?
You're right, that's where the rubber meets the road.
Tied and down 1 goal and up 1 goal would be interesting to examine.
God I hope this is a joke (from CBJ beat writer):
ReplyDeleteToronto Star sources: Leafs acquire D Cody Fransen and C Matthew Lombardi from NASH for D Brett Lebda and F Robert Slaney.
That's the worst trade in history if that's true.
Voracek signed a 1yr deal with Philly
ReplyDeleteFuck Mike Green.
ReplyDeleteAnybody think Washington won't keep him on their roster if he's got anything going for him? Or are we planning to be the Rangers West?
The plan(sensible): Draft some kid and develop him ourselves.
Some people.
Lubomir Visnovsky was the most effective dman the Oilers have had in the last ten years outside of Pronger.
ReplyDeleteDon't you mean Barbra Ann Scott?
Damn Slovac just skated and didn't pass /OTC
Too bad he asked for a trade soon after getting here, he was worth watching skating every night.
Ffs...Dreger confirmed. Wish we had nabbed Franson. Obviously it looks like a salary dump (Lombardi) to sign Weber, but surely we could have matched that crappy deal.
ReplyDeleteFuck.
What many posters on this board simply have no bloody clue about...is that great teams develop their own talent. It's the lame-o's that spend eternity dreaming about other team's assets.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, and, given the past 20+ years of Oiler futility, it's hardly a case of cupidity.
That's right, cupidity.
Hunter: Yeah Recchi was a penguin early in his career, philly should have never touched him.
ReplyDeleteOn the TOR//NAS deal:
I think Poile's flipping.
Toronto takes advantage of a money-strapped team in Nashville.
ReplyDeleteNashville cannot afford to pay for players on LTIR. Toronto can.
Yeah Hunter? When was the last time a Stanley Cup winner drafted and developed all 20 players on it's roster?
ReplyDeleteI dare you to find me that answer.
What many posters on this board simply have no bloody clue about...is that great teams develop their own talent. It's the lame-o's that spend eternity dreaming about other team's assets.
ReplyDeleteNo one should ever make a trade with another. All players should be developed in house and if they reach free agency, should never be picked up. Due to a completely equal drafting record and draft position every year, no team should find itself facing a hole that needs filling from the outside.
Otherwise they're just stupid.
So Toronto's Dmen are:
ReplyDeleteGronk
Komisarek
Liles
Gunnarsson
Franson
Aulie
Schenn
Lashoff
They are pretty primed to deal one or two for some forwards.
Hmmmmm
Also,
Its a salary dump of Lombardi and the Oilers can't afford to take on $3.5MM for two years.
Woodguy: Sure it's a dump, but isn't he going on LTIR? Dude might never play again.
ReplyDeletePlus, it would give us another injured guy to trade ;-)
WTF, Cody Franson and Lombardi for a freaking ECHL throwaway and a 6th-7th D in Lebda?
ReplyDeleteBurke just bent Poile over. You'd have to think 29 other teams would have been tripping over themselves to give a better deal than that. Hell the Oilers could have offered Chorney and spare change if that's all they wanted to dump 4.3 million.
6'5" 213lb puck moving/handling defenseman who has a clue defensively (i.e. looks like he'll learn), and puts up points, has 2 seasons of experience, and is the ripe age of 23. Freaking hell.
What many posters on this board simply have no bloody clue about...is that great teams develop their own talent. It's the lame-o's that spend eternity dreaming about other team's assets.
ReplyDeleteIf I want to know how the NHL worked in the '70's, I'll ask Pat Quinn thank you very much.
The Oilers should send Cogliano to Burke for Franson.
ReplyDeleteWhat many posters on this board simply have no bloody clue about...is that great teams develop their own talent. It's the lame-o's that spend eternity dreaming about other team's assets.
ReplyDeleteSomeone should have told the red Wings
I think I might be comfortable with a Franson/Cogs swap.
ReplyDeleteWhat kills me is that NSH didn't think they could do better on that salary dump. Smacks of the Thornton to SJS deal.
The Oil could have had Franson for O'Marra and Chorney, lower cap hit than Lebda as well. Lombardi is destined for the LTIR, isn't that what having Batman is for?
Pretty sure that Lombardi will have to be on opening night roster before putting him on LTIR so you need the room on your cap, for opening night anyhow.
ReplyDeleteOilers are getting close to the cap with 13 and 49 left to sign.
If you have Lombardi on the roster, you will have trouble adding RNH this year.
uni: Nashville sent Franson to the eastern conference. I think that might be a key.
ReplyDeleteWhy in the bloody hell would Toronto want to do that?
ReplyDeleteWord: I'm chasing the Wabbit.
FPB: They wouldn't. We're just wishful thinking. :-)
ReplyDeleteMost wealthy teams are cap-stretched.
ReplyDeleteIn the West, there is really only LA, but they balked at Fraser's $800K.
San Jose is up against the cap. Philly, New York, Nj, Washington, Boston, ditto.
$7 million dollars and Brett Lebda for Cody Franson.
how about playing RNH 9 games, sending him off to the WJCs and then making a decision after that?
ReplyDeletedoes the scheduling on that work out?
striatic: Close. They'd have to have some gaps in his 9 games so he wouldn't sit too long before WJ camp.
ReplyDeleteSo Poile did fuck up with the RFA's.
ReplyDeleteHaha. C'Mon. How can they fuck that up? It's the salary + 10% wtf. XD
WG, there's always a way, they could send RNH out for opening night, LTIR Lombardi, then call RNH back up. This also frames the Cam Barker deal a bit badly, although it's still a low risk bet.
ReplyDeleteLT, I suspect the EC has something to do with it, but you'd have to think anyone outside of the division would have worked for NSH if they could get some value back. Hell, you'd think the'd be 10 teams in the EC who would have topped that deal.
WG, there's always a way, they could send RNH out for opening night, LTIR Lombardi, then call RNH back up.
ReplyDeleteOnce you assign a player back to their CHL you cannot recall them except in emergency circumstances.
"Someone should have told the Red Wings"
ReplyDeleteYeah, give me Yzerman, plus an entire evil empire's top 5 players and we should have the makings of a great lineup.
Well damn, I'm sure the Oilers could free up some cap space though. BARKERRRRRRRRRRRR!
ReplyDeleteThe PPP boys have a trade thread going that just got into Bohemian Rhapsody lyrics, oddly fitting, particularly "...is this the real life, no this is just fantasy, caught in a landslide, no escape from reality"
They'll be getting into "...easy come easy go, little high, little low" pretty soon.
What's old is new again.
ReplyDeleteOilers sign Josh Green to 2 way contract.
Yes, that Josh Green.
I didn't even know Josh Green was still playing hockey. So who's next, Brad Isbister?
ReplyDeleteWow, that was a slick move to pick up Franson for nothing.
ReplyDeleteAnd, yeah, I guess the Oilers didn't have this intel before they went and blew 2.25 on Barker.