The question is: can Hartikainen pass enough people to play 50 games in the NHL this season with the Edmonton Oilers.
The answer is: yes.
When Tambellini added Ben Eager and Darcy Hordichuk on free agent day, he was adding size, grit and an enforcer to the top 12; he was also adding Hordichuk for the pressbox. Hordichuk is about what the Oilers wanted Jason Strudwick to be the last couple of seasons: a depth player who won't bitch and moan on the 40-50 nights that he's not in the lineup.
If we look at the current wingers, like this:
- Taylor Hall
- Ales Hemsky
- Ryan Smyth
- Jordan Eberle
- Magnus Paajarvi
- Linus Omark
- Ben Eager
- Ryan Jones
- Darcy Hordichuk
That direction is size. That direction will benefit Teemu Hartikainen. In order for Hartikainen to find his way to Edmonton, he'll need to pass a winger whose skills are duplicated by others on the roster and whose size/toughness will be viewed as a negative. I think Hartikainen stands a very good chance of passing Linus Omark either during training camp or during the season. I'm a big fan of both, but don't believe anyone can reasonably argue that Hartikainen is in the same league as Omark.
In choosing to single out Omark, I would point you to possible lines with Hartakainen in the group:
- Hall-Eberle
- Smyth-Hemsky
- Hartikainen-Paajarvi
- Eager-Jones
Tom Renney was part of the coaching group that decided to roll JF Jacques on the 1line in the fall of 2009; the appeal of "crust" is a mighty force for NHL coaches, and I can see Teemu Hartikainen winning the day during training camp with his skill set.
The Oilers options on Omark could be trade or another trip to OKC. I don't think it's wise, and hope it doesn't happen, but this organization's attention to size and desire to add truculence put Omark in some danger on this roster. It may not be Hartikainen--Cogliano or Brule may force the issue at his position.
Last August, I wrote the following:
- If I were Linus Omark I'd ask to dress in the Oilers-Canucks tilt September 22, find the tallest tree wearing that weird uniform and take a run at him. As crazy as it sounds, getting noticed early might be the key element for Linus Omark this fall.
It would be a shame. That Ryan Jones contract could have enormous impact.
For the first time since we started trading away all the superstars in the late 80s, early 90s we may finally be in a position whereby we can trade a group of young prospects for the "superstar." I think players like Omark, Gagner and even Hartikainen will be the items that Tambo will dangle in order to improve the team even more. Only problem is, he might need to do it this season due to numbers, rather than next year, when it could reap the largest benefit.
ReplyDeleteIt would help Hartikainen's cause if he could also play centre.
ReplyDeleteHas he any experience there? He has a decent tool-kit.
predictions!
ReplyDeleteI'm shocked if Hartikainen plays opening night.
The decision on Omark will happen next year.
Hartikainen will play for the oilers this season, but it'll be due to injuries and shouldn't push anyone out of a roster spot.
Omark will cement his position as part of the core group this year. He'll have a season that the organization will be unable to ignore.
striatic: I hope you're right.
ReplyDeleteThat Jones signing sure looks like a mistake.
ReplyDeleteWhile Omark is small, I think the thing that stands out most about him is his battle level. First year in the league, and he showed a crazy ability to go into battles against even the biggest players and come out with the puck.
ReplyDeleteI think that's where he's unique over say a Cogliano or Gagner. I was skeptical of Omark before he played in the NHL, but now I'd find a way to keep him in the lineup... as much as I love Hartikainen. I guess it should be taken into consideration though that he's doing this stuff at 24 years old (i.e. he's got a couple years on Gagner).
Anyways, all that said, I would love to see Harski in the line up, but it would probably be in place of Eager or Hordichuk or an injured player or something... unless he absolutely kills at camp.
28's contract could end up being this year's 67 mistake: being afraid to walk from a guy and when camp ends you have enough depth that you didn't need him in the first place.
ReplyDelete56 has some grind to his game and that's what we're missing. I'm not sure just what to make of 23 just yet but I'd like to see a full year of him before I made up my mind.
I know he was moved for Burns but if the Sharks can sign Setoguchi and the move him then the Oilers can do the same with Jones I'm sure.
I agree w/striatic. Only way Hartikainen is on the opening day roster is by injury in the pre-season.
ReplyDeleteWould be shocked though if he does not see some playing time as a result of injury. Would much rather have him start the year in OKC and continue to develop then sit in the press box and get passed by the other kids playing in OKC.
Also thought RNH comments on TSN were interesting today (re: where he plays this fall). Hope he returns to juniors too.
Not that I want to lose, but would rather see these guys develop right-imo.
Toughness? We have few players that are as tough on the puck and puck carrier than Omark. He's Datsuykian in that regard.
ReplyDeleteBut he does lack size and physicality for a bottom 6 winger.
i am not at all worried about the jones contract.
ReplyDeletethis team isn't contending until after his contract is over and the kids are re-signed, and he's a very entertaining player on a number of levels.
"fan favourite" and "good in the room" contracts are normally loathesome to me but if jones keeps my wife entertained for another year [her favourite player] and throws some punches every now and again to keep the crowd from falling asleep during the inevitable blowouts, i am 100% a-ok with that. maybe he can get lucky again and score a little too.
if he's the only bad contract in the forward core for the next two years, aside from brule i guess, i think the oilers will have done well. i'm not completely sure it is such a bad contract anyway.
It’s all about the ‘Oh Crap’ players.
ReplyDeleteIf RNH dazzles between Hall and Eberle, other teams will go ‘Oh Crap’ when they have to face their line.
Perhaps they would then look forward to playing a less skilled, not so determined second line, but again it would more than likely be ..‘Oh Crap it’s Hemsky and Smyth’. (Can’t say that about Gagne yet, too weak defensively).
If they then try looking forward to our third line, then Horcoff draws an ‘Oh Crap’ for an effective shut down center who can make MPS into another ‘Oh Crap’ as a third line scoring threat. (Omark trying to fill a third line physical defensive role would likely draw a more gleeful, ‘He’s Crap’ reaction)
Finally they try to look forward to our fourth line and come face to face with physical intimidation from Eager (and Hordichuk when needed). Needless to say another ‘Oh Crap’.
Unfortunately, no ‘Oh Crap’s’ yet on defense. Khabibulin makes goaltending too depressing to even rate.
We need more ‘Oh Crap’ players.
I agree with the sentiments so far, Hartikainen may not be on the team to begin with but I think he will force his way on this team through either injuries or other players playing poorly.
ReplyDeleteHartikainen will be a player on the top12 very soon.
Good call LT, I think Omark's spot may eventually be in trouble.
I don't think there is any reason to believe Omark's position is in trouble. Unless he gets traded or is hurt, I think he'll likely be safe here. I mean, obviously he has to play well, but I think his first year was a good taste of what he's capable of. Lots of compete in this guy.
ReplyDeleteI really hope to see Hartikainen in the line up soon, but I think it will either be at the cost of an injured player, or if Renney decided to park the two goons in the press box.
Jones' contract should be a hinderance at all unless the Oilers coaching plays players based on contracts (ie. Khabibulin). There are players making more money than Jones that'll ride pine.
ReplyDeleteThat Jones signing sure looks like a mistake.
ReplyDeleteThe Jones signing would have been a mistake even if the Oilers only had Brett Callighen's left eye under contract.
i don't see Omark's spot being in trouble.
ReplyDeletea plausible progression for Hartikainen would be more like
2011-2012 - first call up [injuries, poor play]
2012-2013 - takes brule's vacated roster spot
2013-2014 - takes jones' vacated roster spot
a big plus in Omark's favour is that Paajarvi obviously thinks the world of the guy, and all other things being equal you keep Omark on the team to keep Paajarvi happy.
Keeping players on your roster because they make someone happy is a recipe for disaster.Every player earns a spot on winning clubs.
ReplyDeletewhich is why i wrote "all other things being equal".
ReplyDeleteI still think a F for D trade is coming. Otherwise a little bit of competition in camp wont hurt. I like Omark's game and compete. Id be surprised to see him let people pass him buy.
ReplyDeleteInteresting move by the Blues today. They maybe good enough to take the next step, otherwise they bought 2 draft picks for $5 million.
Hartikainen was only ,66 PPG in the AHL last season.
ReplyDeleteI'd wait for a bit more of seasoning. He's still 20 after all.
His underlying numbers weren't bad tough. So if the Oil intend on rolling the lines I'd be glad to see him on a 3rd-4th line role.
ReplyDeleteSmyth-Gagner-Hemsky
Hall-Horcoff-Eberle
MPS-Bélanger-Omark
Jones-Hartikainen-Eager
Ex: Hordichuk, Cogliano
(Assuming Brule's IR)
Not bad.
This article says the Oilers signed Jacques to a one year contract.
ReplyDeleteHas to be wrong?
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+sign+Jacques+year+deal/5061636/story.html
PJO: The Ducks did.
ReplyDeleteNo one noticed but me?
What a bizarre article. No mention of the Ducks signing at all.
ReplyDeleteEither one of their web editors screwed up or it's time for ol' Matty to retire.
http://ducks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=568715
I have a hunch that PRV will regress without omark, whom seemed to catalyze PRV's 2nd half resurgence..
ReplyDeletewould love to see those two as the third line (or traded together like sedins)..
If RNH dazzles between Hall and Eberle.
ReplyDeleteIt is the sure fire confident statments about RNH ability that make me glad about picking RNH.
When asked about advice he recieved, \thay say i need to shoot more.
I am looking forward to RNH, Gagner , and Hemsky playing on a PP unit together so we can here the crowd drone for the first 1:10 of the PP.
Shoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot.
Either Matty is senile or the date on the article is wrong.
ReplyDeleteI almost had a heart attack.
JFJ signed a 2 way with the Ducks eariler this week.
In about two years' time, I would love to see a PRV-Lander-Omark line. Something tells me there'd be chemistry there.
ReplyDeleteI hope Omark sticks around, just for that reason.
That Matheson article on Jacques was from last year. Somebody at EJ published the wrong piece.
ReplyDeleteAnd count me in the group that's fine with Hartikainen starting in OKC unless he forces the issue at training camp. And even then, I don't see Omark's spot being challenged by him. Omark's in competition with Cogliano and Gagner and/or will be traded because he commands more value than one of those guys.
I believe it would be a disaster to lose Omark. He brings a swagger and confidence that this team has been missing for a long time.
ReplyDeleteOmark is the reason I think they will consider dealing hemsky. If both get off to a good start, I wonder if they entertain offers for both, with the hope of getting a top flight goalie or Defenseman in return. My fear is whether the Org once again goes coke machine hunting and looks to replace small skill with size regardless of talent level.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget that Hamilton is next seasons Hartikanen and will push for a roster spot sooner rather then later.In 2 years if no moves are made I expect this to be our lineup
Hall-Nuge-Eberle
Smyth-Gagner-Hemsky
Hamilton-Horcoff-MPS
Hartikanen-Lander-Omark
Eager-CVV-Jones
Pitlik-Martindale-
The issue is still size in our top 9, so if you move one of Hemsky or Omark, Cogs and/or Gagner for a top flight dman we are a more balanced team. Is omark wasted on the 4th line? You use the asets you accumulate to fill other holes, and here's hoping the mystical 3-1 deal is coming for a top flight player.
That Jones signing sure looks like a mistake.
ReplyDeleteThe past perfect tense also applies to that statement.
I was bemoaning the fact that the Oil did not sell high on the hippie back at the deadline. He is all kinds of useless and now it appears he is occupying a valuable roster spot.
The Oil wanted bullets for Stu, they could've had one or two for Mr. Jones. Geez.
warplo - the setting the Enterprise uses when it wants to tow another space vessel (wessel)
Anyone here would trade RNH for a top flight defenseman?
ReplyDeleteThat Jones signing sure looks like a mistake.
ReplyDeletePerhaps we all forgot what depth looks like.
That sniper hiding in the catwalks in Rexall will be picking off guys soon enough. This is a team that has been near the top in man games lost the last two years. The odds are that up front some, if not all, of Brule, Hemsky, Smyth, Horcoff and Gagner will spend some time in sick bay.
Besides Omark and Hartkanen and even MPS still have lots to prove. A little trip on the wagon train to OKL wouldn't kill any of them.
As well, there may be a few guys cleared out at the trade deadline.
There will be lots of icetime available.
Can the Oilers somehow walk away from O'Marra? What happens if the can't agree on a number?
fpb: not everyone, but I do feel that proper asset management is using a glut of assets to fill out your roster with high level players in areas of need. Especially ones who are redundant in the lineup.
ReplyDeleteWe have no one in the system that projects as a top 2 dman, or a top end goalie. We do however have a few extra top 6 forwards who other teams would like to have. I have no idea which team,s would make a movelike that, but assuming Horcoff, Hemsky and Smyth are around for at least the next 3 years, that means you have extra young forwards with potential who can be moved to add those missing pieces.
Anyone here would trade RNH for a top flight defenseman?
ReplyDeleteI'll trade you an Eric Gudbranson. The corner is a little bent but otherwise its in good shape.
We have no one in the system that projects as a top 2 dman, or a top end goalie
ReplyDeletePardon?
Marincin, Klefbom, Musil, Bunz, maybe Perhonen. Even though LT hates him, Petry has a chance too.
Hartikainen has a grand total of 1 year of experience in North America. He didn't really start hitting his stride in the AHL until January. Look, I'm excited by this guy too, but unless he blows the absolute pants off people in Training Camp, I think he needs to go to the AHL.
ReplyDeletePlaying 20 minutes a night on the first-line in the AHL with Lander and Keller (or Brule?) would be great for his development and as the first winger call-up, he'll get into his share of games for sure. We've finally got a chance to develop our later round forward picks properly... let's not blow this by rushing things!
Ducey: Musil doesn't have enough offense for a top 2 d-men c'mon.
ReplyDeleteThe point is that we're way weaker in the D department, then in the F department.
Ducey: none of the goalies, while possible starters look like all stars. And none of the D are a complete dman. Potential maybe, but I don't see any of them as more of a #3 Gilbert level dman.
ReplyDeletePerhaps we all forgot what depth looks like.
ReplyDeleteThe only depth Jones provides is the grave in which you bury scoring chances.
The site www.stats.hockeyanalytics.com has some wonderful features.
Here is every player in the league sorted by Fenwick % when their team is up by one goal
Ryan Jones is DFL in league with .279.
Three of the bottom 4 in the league are Oilers. Jones .279, Brule .297 and Cogliano .301.
Lordy.
I guess that is a side effect from playing for a bad team....or are these guys a key reason the Oilers are bad?
Fenwick is Corsi - blocked shots, so basically all shots on net and missed shots on net, but not blocked shots.
And none of the D are a complete dman. Potential maybe, but I don't see any of them as more of a #3 Gilbert level dman.
ReplyDeleteHere are Kyle Woodlief's thoughts on Klefbom:
Klefbom is a real Red Line favorite. He's certainly the most overlooked of the top prospects, but is the best pure passer of the bunch, and his skating ranks only behind Murphy. He already makes pro style passes — crisp and with touch — and excels at breaking the trap with tremendous stretch passes through the neutral zone, showing great vision. He was also the natural leader on Sweden's national under-18 team. All this comes wrapped in a 6-3, 196-pound package, and Klefbom has really stepped up the physical aspect of his game over the last 12 months. At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year's class.
I see someone has asked a question regarding Klefbom vs. Brodin debate among Swedish defencemen. I have a clear preference for Klefbom. I frankly think he should be talked about in the same sentence as Larsson, Hamilton, and Murphy - the consensus top three defencemen on the board. I think Klefbom's upside is very big - he could end up being a real home run out of this draft.
Woodlief seems to think he has top 2 potential.
Guess who's there next to our friends. Our newer friends (Barker, Sutton)
ReplyDeleteWoodlief's ratings were pretty damn off historically last time I checked them.
ReplyDeleteYou'd put the names in a bowl and have a similar chance of success.
Let's have a good look at that Fenwick list shall we...
ReplyDeleteRyan Jones #608 DFL
Gilbert Brule #606
Andrew Cogliano #605
Good thing we didn't get Konopka #603.
Colin Fraser #602
(How are these guys NHLers?)
Kurtis Foster #597
Theo Peckham #596
Cam Barker #595
Andy Sutton #594
(We got rid of trash and brought in more trash.)
Linus Omark #592
Magnus Paajarvi #581
(Busts?!?!)
Mikko Koivu #587
(Must be a slug)
Corey Perry #522
(You'd figure the Hart trophy winner would be better than that)
I got a better idea. Throw all these numbers out, tweak the personnel, build a better game plan and change some of these numbers. All the numbers tell us is what they were, it doesn't tell us what they are and what they are capable of.
Am I the only one that would rather have a 2nd superstar F than a 1st superstar D?
ReplyDeleteNot that the Oilers have one of either, as yet.
Speeds: Well Eberle, Hall look pretty damn close to that.
ReplyDeleteLT: Is Omark the new Smid? Do you hate Linus?
ReplyDeleteHartikainen will pass Jones early. He's better at everything Jones does right now; just needs to show it. Trade Jones early in the season while he still has some value. I'm sure someone saw him well. I'm not as down on him as many are; I just know Hartikainen is going to be a real deal player.
ReplyDeleteDucey
ReplyDeleteDisagree with your projected top 2 pairing potential. Klefbon may be exception. Marincin has not put on any weight and had a very mediocre finish to his WHL season. He is, I expect, less polished than you think. Agree with WG Musil will mostly be a defender.
Concern I have with Klefbon is that there were concerns that Larssen may not be a top D man through a lack of offense.yet he played 20+ minutes a game in SEL finals. Klefbon was a healthy scratch in SEL. Not a knock on the pick. Just not sure he will be a top pairing guy
Is reason why I suggested trading for Hamonic. Shut down stopper on 09 WJHC team, is tough, hits and got 25 pts in 62 games for NYI at age 19. Confident he will be a 2 and a tough 2 is pretty valuable. Also the guy who blew up Taylor Hall at Memorial Cup 2 years ago which was the play that convinced me Hall had to be our #1 pick
speeds: There are too many teams that have not made the playoffs with 2 superstar forwards and no D. Unless those superstars are Crosby and Malkin, I'd rather have the D.
ReplyDeleteChi has Kane and Toews but they also have Keith and it was Keith's game that slipped a bit this year and the tumble by Chicago was very noticable.
it's interesting when the lowetidosphere disagrees so much with a mgt decision. to be the devil's advocate (the traktor role):
ReplyDeletewhat if jones is identically statistically to last year, are we happy with him? i believe many have proven that the only thing he could possibly regress on is goals.
or even further, does jones have any trade value in a package with his current contract? at the deadline?
i'm neither here nor there on the guy, but do know we've had a tough time finding guys who can pot the biscuit, which he did. it buys some patience for me
Speeds
ReplyDeleteDo not think we need SS D man, but if....... We do not need some very good defenders who have good defense a la Keith and Seabrook.
Like the D depth we are building in junior and on the farm but not much offense once we get past Whitney
Am I the only one that would rather have a 2nd superstar F than a 1st superstar D?
ReplyDeleteNope.
I firmly believe you can get by with good D if you have some great forwards. PIT is a good example of this. Excellent top 4 D, but no superstars. It was that D that got them so many wins after Crosby and Malkin went down. Almost got them past the first round too.
Dangerman,
No question that 1 stat isn't the end all be all, but the Oilers were last in the league for winning percentage last year when leading after 2 periods (.682), only 5 teams were below .800, which is why I was looking at that particular stat.
Perry was over .400, interesting that Koivu was so low, going to check his linemates, I expect him to be better.
MPS and Omark certainly didn't fare well by this metric either, but you have some patience for the rookies. I have no patience for Jones. He is what he is and is probably at the peak of his career.
FPB,
Woodleif's track record is much better than yours.
@dangerman,
ReplyDeletethe slide by Chicago had nothing to do with Keith. Their slide was about trading away all their 3rd and 4th line depth to get under the salary cap. In addition, letting go some depth dmen as well.
Keith was playing too many minutes as a result.
KSC10032 said...It would help Hartikainen's cause if he could also play centre. Has he any experience there?
ReplyDeleteNo, but he can play RW which might be where he eventually settles in.
I really like both Omark and Hartikainen and don't see much of an issue with the two of them being around on day 1 but I have had my suspicions for a few months that Omark is odd man out. This even before the trades and FA signings. All depends on where Hemsky is at really.
Chi has Kane and Toews but they also have Keith and it was Keith's game that slipped a bit this year and the tumble by Chicago was very noticable.
ReplyDeleteHistorically the best predictor of wins for an NHL team is goal differential.
CHI had the 3rd best goal differential in the West. They lost a lot of close games and were on the shitty end of variance a lot last year.
Expect them to be back near the top next year.
Matt N: I hate them all. :-)
ReplyDeletespeeds: No, I agree. The great Oilers teams had ridiculous F's, I'd love to see it again.
"Expect them to be back near the top next year."
ReplyDeleteThat's hard to say. They lost Campbell who was +28 while Keith was -1 and Seabrook was even. I'm guessing Campbell was just beating up on 2nd tier players. The face-lifted their bottom six with players like Carcillo and Mayers, but lost another big body in Brouwer. The lost Campbell and replaced him with Montador. Chi sure seems to like Fla's castoffs, first Frolik then Olesz, not sure how much further ahead they will be there. Hossa seems to be happy collecting cheques now. It just seems to be a team that is very unmotivated now, maybe its just fatigue.
@Matt
ReplyDeleteActually, I think Omark is the anti-Smid in Lowetide's mind. While Lowetide kept questioning Smid's ability to stay ahead in the organizational depth chart, and was always asking if he was going to get passed by other players, while the organization stayed fast with him, Lowetide seems to be a huge Omark fan, but is worried they might let him be passed by other players when he shouldn't, due to bogus size concerns (size is only a problem if you suck!).
If last year taught us anything, we should keep these Scandinavians.
ReplyDeleteHartikainen and
Omark
And hope these two first round draftees, each with two gold medals for Canada, make it happen.
Barker and
Teubert
January 8th is Jordan Eberle and Colten Teubert Day in Regina...for a reason!
WG: Yeah. Bet you tracked down all the guys i'd be picking.
ReplyDeleteAs for Woodlief in the years I saw his top it averaged this:
5-6 total busts out of 10 (AHL or tweener)
2-3 real top 10 defenseman of said draft (Which in occasion wasn't much)
1-2 Nhl d-men
Not really stellar.
Is reason why I suggested trading for Hamonic. Shut down stopper on 09 WJHC team, is tough, hits and got 25 pts in 62 games for NYI at age 19. Confident he will be a 2 and a tough 2 is pretty valuable. Also the guy who blew up Taylor Hall at Memorial Cup 2 years ago which was the play that convinced me Hall had to be our #1 pick
ReplyDeleteAs I said in an earlier thread, Marinicin at the same age outscored Hamonic and had a much better +/-
Interesting quote in the recent Colten Teubert interview where he says the Kings' medical staff misdiagnosed his injury.
ReplyDeleteDucey
ReplyDeleteDid you want to wager a nice bottle of wine that Marincin does not score More than 26 points in 12/13 in the NHL? Because if not, he will be behind Hamonic on the points / +|-
You also realize that Moose Jaw was an absolute shit team .... Right
magisterrex said...
ReplyDeleteInteresting quote in the recent Colten Teubert interview where he says the Kings' medical staff misdiagnosed his injury.
Good, then he should be ready for the Oilers' approach to medicine, which I believe is WebMD followed by rubbing some dirt on it.
Some interesting reading on Teuberts injury...
ReplyDeleteTeubert suffered a hand injury late in the 2009-10 season, but X-rays came back negative and he continued to play. In the midst of offseason training some nine weeks later, however, Teubert realized there was still a problem.
Further tests revealed that he had fractured the scaphoid bone in his wrist -- which sits just below the thumb -- and had been going about his business with the fracture in place ever since.
"It was just misdiagnosed -- we missed it on the X-ray, and it's a really tough bone to catch,"he said. "So I had a broken hand for about nine weeks, which definitely didn't help. Going through surgery brought a bit of adversity, but I just really focused on working hard, keeping my cardio right.
"Lots of things happen in your career, and you never imagine that you can miss something like that. But it happens, you just have to keep your head up and keep working."
The resulting surgery and recovery period sidelined Teubert for Los Angeles' offseason development camp as well as training camp in September and the beginning of the season.
He made his AHL debut for Manchester on Nov. 19 after missing the first 17 games, certainly not an ideal way to begin one's pro career. But Teubert tried to adjust early on and make the best of a tough situation.
Last August, I wrote the following:
ReplyDeleteIf I were Linus Omark I'd ask to dress in the Oilers-Canucks tilt September 22, find the tallest tree wearing that weird uniform and take a run at him. As crazy as it sounds, getting noticed early might be the key element for Linus Omark this fall.
He didn't play on the 22nd against the Canucks but did play on the 26th in the rematch and made a few Canucks players look silly. He scored a goal and had two helpers.
If the Oilers can overlook his talents and try to replace him with bit players, the team is in a lot more trouble than I had thought. I'd bet against it at this point.
Hartikainen can be stowed till needed. No reason to be trading one because of the other just yet. Let's see how this turns out.
ReplyDeleteAnd as was said above depth is something we need. Something we might actually find useful from time to time.
For some reason that Teubert injury story made me very happy.
If Omark was going to crack the top 6, I would think about, but thats not going to happen. This is a no brainier question, Hartikainen at the drop of a hat. Omark is a one trick pony, were Hartikainen has more of a complete game. He also brings something the Oilers desperately need and that is someone to crash the net and screen the goalie. Omark also has a fixation of floating around the blue lines hoping for the break out pass and doesn't like to help out defensively. The one thing that tick me off about Omark is that he would rather go play for his country in a bogus world companionship, then play with his team mates, his team and for his fans.
ReplyDeleteIt's a little early to be talkin top 6 for Hartikainen.
ReplyDeleteChinific: Jay Leno... Awright fine, Dolph Lundgren.
Never said that Hartikainen would crack the top 6, nether will Omark. Hartikainen has more of a use to the team and can be use on the PK as well as the PP.
ReplyDeleteI think the players in trouble are mostly from the Sons of Abraham club: the ones who have already had the trade dagger poised over their ribcage before the portents dithered.
ReplyDeleteAnd there's no real reason to rush the big H as another poster said, if the disgruntled coot in the rafters has fabricated more sadistic crossbolts from corndog sticks, wads of bubblegum, and broken promises.
Of the people not yet untraded, I tend to think Gagner is the most palatable trade bait in a package deal that really happens. He looks pretty good as a trade return to a team not as desperate for FO wins.
On the surface, if Gagner treads in place this year (fourpeat), his point totals are still tracking better than Henrik Sedin. (The next step is a doozy: 75 points for Henrik in his 5'th NHL season after the lockout year.)
As part of larger package, that's a dandy comparable for an opposing GM to spin to a fan base coiling the lynch rope over the loss of a stud from the blue. That is what we're trying to pluck in return, is it not?
I can see Gags going to a team with a hulking 1C after their youth cluster treads water in an over-the-hump year; maybe viewed as a line-blender spark plug for a net-crashing sniper suffering a cold streak. The most probable trades are the ones where your trade partner values your assets higher than you do. Cogliano gets bundled because he helps make change for a five spot, not because any other GM has a better use for him than we have.
Or am I wrong in that view?
Another view is that Cogs could get traded to a team with too much chemistry (as someone who has learned the hard way how to shut up and skate), the situation we seemed to find ourselves in with Stoll, Torres, and Moreau frustrated at playing on team suck. Notice we first traded away the players that other teams valued.
On the chessboard, you often get pieces that are trapped, but aren't really as trapped as they look. Sometimes a couple of lateral steps behind scenes during the usual front-line skirmish, the piece busts into the attack right on schedule.
Not every piece gains a foothold on natural moves according to book.
I've heard the twins play on the same line from time to time, despite their similarities. RNH plus Omark could really cause a lot of problems for teams built to succeed in the second season.
If the Mendoza line for Gagner is FO percentage, the Mendoza line for Omark will be puck possession. For Sugartits, it was every part of the ice where the puck wasn't; for Jacques Sprat, it was proximity to the puck itself.
It occurs to me that Sugartits, Jacques Sprat, and a pair of quad-cab hockey pants would buy you a pretty complete player.
The other john, I find it odd that people question the scoring and overall potential of Klefbom because he was sometimes a healthy scratch and played limited minutes as a 17 going on 18 year old in the 3rd best men's league in the world.
ReplyDeleteNever mind the fact that even making the team was huge, and that Farjestad BK is the de facto best team in the SEL, with the most stars, best player depth etc. and expected to win the championship every year like they did this year.
That's like saying you're leery of this Tyler Seguin 18 going on 19 year old kid in Boston since his stats in the NHL were low and he was sometimes a healthy scratch on the deep eventual Stanley Cup champion.
I wonder how well highly touted CHL players would fare in the SEL in their draft years.
Archie, Omark spent more time in the NHL than the AHL last year. Also the WHC is apparently a big deal in Europe. I have absolutely no problem with Omark wanting to play for his country instead of being sent to the minors.
I don't see what the big deal was anyway. Omark spoke his mind, didn't whine, then went down to the AHL and did his job like a professional.
I'm not too worried about this situation. Hartikainen had a nice cup of coffee and can start the year in OKC, first callup for the top nine if there are injuries. With Hemsky's contract status up in the air I can't see Tambo moving Omark. If Hemsky signs an extension then it becomes a possibility but if next summer the depth chart goes from:
ReplyDeleteHemsky, Eberle, Omark, Jones
to
Eberle, Jones
then I would bet Tambo gets canned.
Based on how much rope they gave JFJ, Pouliot, Cogliano and so on I think Omark is safe until they know what they have in him and Teemu.
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ReplyDeleteI'm somewhat surprised that people don't mention the chemistry Hartikainen and Omark displayed together in the short time they were on the same line. They might have played together in the AHL some, too bad none of Omark, Pajaarvi, and Hartikainen don't play centre.
ReplyDeleteWG: Yeah. Bet you tracked down all the guys i'd be picking.
ReplyDeleteJust give me a link to where you posted your picks for the last 10 years so I can check your track record.
There's always room on my team for guys who want to play for their country. Shows respect for the greater whole and they know something about pride and excellence. I like Omark. I hope he sticks, even if it takes another year of bouncing between the AHL and NHL to do so.
ReplyDeleteAn awful lot of very definitive statements being thrown around to describe some very young players.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's really the problem, isn't it? It's like predicting where the Oilers will finish this year - so much is dependent upon how the kids will do. Do we have a surplus of top 6 forwards? Do we have a top goalie in the system? A top 2 defenceman? Maybe, maybe not. It's still far too early to tell for most of these players and until we know what we have, the Oilers need to stay the course and only make deals where serious gains will be realized.
DBO great point about Omark and Hemsky. They are duplicate players. Hemsky is likely better, but injury prone.
ReplyDeleteIt would make more sense to move one of them than Harti, whose style is less apparent on the team.
We are short on good bottom 6 and overloaded on top 6, so that is where movement should come.
I do think Omark could run on the third because he wins battles, if he has a big enough centre and LW. That would add a dangerous offensive element there.
I am not a supporter of small players unless they are really special - much too easy to shut down, and are left with little esle to contribute.
Even though he is older, I think Omark is the best of the small guys because he is more agile and far more aggressive. To me, these things are key for small guys.
I can see Omark doing well in the traffic of the playoffs, much like Marchand did. Mobile, aggressive, good shot. I cannot see it with Gagner, Cogliano or Brule.
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ReplyDeleteYou miss my point. The discussion was ceiling of our draft pick D men... ie do they project to be a 1, 2, 3 etc
I was not questioning Klefbon's ceiling.
I was pointing out that the reason Larssen was NOT selected #1 was that he did not score as an 18 year old in the SEL. I quite liked what I saw of him but they are professional scouts. I was comparing Klefbon to Larssen, one played 20+ minutes a game in SEL and one was, mostly, a healthy scratch.
Scouts were saying Larssen cannot be a top D man (no offense!!). So IF that is a stretch for Larssen would not the same argument apply equally to someone the same age not playing in same league?
Or do we simply say: he's our draft pick therefore he must be great!
Bunch of killjoys. I'm ready to see this team play!
ReplyDelete3 scoring lines and a death line.
Entertainment value all the way.
The other John, I got what you were implying. I'm saying that projections for scoring based on playing time and offense of a player in the SEL in their draft year is an exercise in futility.
ReplyDeleteLarssen played shutdown D on a team that went to the SEL finals, I still think he should have gone top 2, and liked him better than RNH, not that I'm not thrilled with that pick as well. 10 points in 40 games isn't chopped liver considering his role and age. I'd be mildly surprised if he doesn't pan out as a top pairing 40 point complete defender in the NHL.
Oliver Ekman-Larsson projects as a top pairing d-man and went 6th overall in a fairly deep draft on the strength of 17 points in 39 games in the Swedish Division 1. He couldn't even crack the SEL, in fact he's never played in the SEL.
Oskar Klefbom cracked the lineup (albeit as a 7th D) in his draft year, and scouts that have seen him rave about his tool set, and he is considered an offensive defenseman there. I'm not boosting him just because he's an Oilers pick. I'm saying he may be way better than where he went in the draft, and if he'd played a full season in division one last season there's a good chance he'd go higher.
We played this game with Hemsky and to a lesser extent with Schremp.
ReplyDeleteIf skilled players produce, we don't need them to be physical dynamos, heavy hitters or solid 2-way players.
If Omark plays to the level he can and meshes with his linemates early, all the hard work he did in puck control and passing the second half of the season (which IMO was Renney's idea) will pay off.
Hartikainen is a good player, but has little to offer in offensive skill, with a points-ceiling of a Glencross-like player. He is needed in the rotation, because he brings a lot of grit and effort to the team.
I also doubt he's in the opening day lineup (and thus in OKC so he can play every day) due to all the 3/4 like players added in FA, but we'll certainly need him this year.
I posted this in the weighted picks thread, but I believe it is relevant:
ReplyDeleteMore faceoff wins will be a factor. As Gabe points out in this (admittedly dated) article an improvement of 10% can account for 25 goals.
http://www.behindthenet.ca/faceoff.html
Belanger and Horc will be a notable improvement from the Gag/Cog FO%. I think 25 goals would be a reasonable improvement with more perhaps from 4C.
Dammit, wrong tab.
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