Summer 2010: #14
Winter 2010: #13
The fact that Ryan Martindale is at #13 tells us this is a ridiculous period for Oilers prospects. The skilled OHL center has multiple skills and could end up being that big #1 center they've been looking for since Jason Arnott.
Know this: Martindale's ranking is no reflection about how I feel about him as a prospect. He does have some things to work on, and because of it ranks below the elite prospects, the strong bets and the good ones. He'll need some luck and hard work, but there are a lot of good arrows. --
- Redline Report: Big pivot has three OHL campaigns under his belt and still shows the same mind-numbing lack of effort and passion we saw in him playing minor hockey, when he was being touted as a can't miss prospect. Effective with the puck in open ice - uses long quick reach, quick hands, and slick puckhandling skills. Lackign strength and drive in his legs, and not quick off the mark. Does have a nice shot release and can be effective when he shows some interest. But is easily pushed off the puck by smaller d-men. Soft and doesn't compete. Loses all the little battles and in not wild about contact. Projection: Frustrating project on the AHL/NHL shuttle. Style compares to: Ryan O'Marra.
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After the draft, we got some good intel from Stu MacGregor:
- "He was their top line centerman, he played with Toffoli. He was a very solid, big guy. He has to improve his game in some areas, but he has size and skill. His overall commitment needs to be there every night. He's a big kid that has a lot of talent."
- He's a 6.03 center, some games he would dominate and some games he wouldn't. He's just growing into his body, he's a tall young guy. That presence in the middle with that kind of size is what we're looking for."
Oilers plucked him at #61 in the entry draft and he's a good bet to cover it.
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Here is Martindale's season so far:
- September 2gp, 0-2-2 -1
- October: 13gp, 9-9-18 +10
- November: 12gp, 8-12-20 +12
- December: DNP
- What in the wide world of sports is going on here? Ryan Martindale is third in OHL scoring!! Based on draft pedigree that's an overshoot of mammoth proportions and we can start to wonder openly about getting a draft steal at number 61. 24gp, 17-21-38 +20 and he plays on the number one line in the league (with Prince and Toffoli). He's rocked November (9gp, 8-10-18 +10) and another month like that one and he'll lead the league in points as Christmas. Even better, he's only 5-5-10 on the PP (1-1-2 SH) so a lot of his points are coming at even strength (24gp, 11-15-26). This is a very, very goood sign. The only negative is that the entire line is ripping it up so we're not sure who's driving the bus. Toronto once drafted Laurie Boschman without realizing the key to the line was Brian Propp on LW. Propp went 5 spots after Boschman and delivered a much stronger career.
Martindale is currently injured (ankle) so is now well off the scoring pace. However, there are still good arrows. His reaction to getting left off the World Junior invite list: “It was definitely a goal of mine. But it’s really out of my control. There’s so many different factors why they didn’t choose me but I think I’ll just use that as motivation to pick up my pace and keep getting better.”
Music! We know some Oiler picks of the past did not say the right thing at difficult times, and the fact that Martindale did take the wise route is in itself a sign of maturity.
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Even at this early stage, Martindale's size and skill give him an exceptional shot at center for the Oilers. The NHL team boasts a top 4C of Horcoff, Gagner, Cogliano and Fraser. The AHL Barons have an approximate depth chart of Moran, O'Marra, Vande Velde and Kytnar. Prospects who rank above Martindale include Tyler Pitlick and Anton Lander.
From that group of 10, how many have size and skill? Horcoff, O'Marra, Vande Velde, Pitlick? It's not a very long list, and if Martindale continues to post eye-popping numbers he's going to pass some people on that depth chart.
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This season, Oiler prospects chosen in 2010 are performing at a very high level. Martin Marincin and Curtis Hamilton are on fire in the WHL, and Martindale is making the Redline scouting report look harsh and more than a little off the mark. Even after missing a few games, he's still just outside the top 10 in OHL scoring.
Martindale would be an easy top 10 on any normal list of Oiler prospects. I imagine he'll be well inside the top 10 by summer 2011--on merit.

"Martindale's ranking is no reflection about how I feel about him as a prospect."
ReplyDeleteStrange, because I thought this was a series in which you ranked the players in order based on how you feel about them.
I keed, I keed. Love the series and the fact that Martindale is 'unlucky 13' is, like you say, a great tribute to how well the cupboard is stocked. Thanks for your continually informative and humorous blogs!
Crazy this list. Crazy.
ReplyDeleteHopefully this kid is at least partially driving results.
And hopefully his lack of consistency is something that will disappear with maturity.
Messier's lack of consistency used to drive everyone nuts in his junior days too.
ReplyDeleteHoly crap. Are we actually getting a checking line center? Todd White back on waivers.
ReplyDeleteAnd still Hartikainen, Belle, Chorney, Roy, O'Marra to come. Do McDonald or Rajala make the list?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter. This is list is Deep, Baby with possibly one more lottery to come and 2 bullets in the 2011 third round. Friggin deep.
Martindale doesn't have me convinced though. I remember one scout's words about another prospect and how he knew he had the talent to get to the Bigs but didn't know if he had enough desire to have a career. RM falls into that category. The light's going to have to go on before we see this kid play in Oilville.
After the first game Martindale played at the prospect camp, Mcgreggor sat Martindale down and told him if he wanted to be an Oiler he had to compete every shift not every other game. I really think this was the turning point for Ryan as his play has been elevated ever since that pep talk. Chalk another one up to the old bastard.
ReplyDeleteI've been a big Petry supporter a long time but I'd probably place Martindale above him based upon both of their respective ages and performance to date.
ReplyDeleteI got to wondering about the Propp Boschman story a bit.
ReplyDeleteIn 78/79 Boschman put up 149 pts, Propp 194 pts for the Wheat Kings. Both were in their first year in the league.
Leafs picked Boschman 9th overall. Boschman went on to put up 577 pts in 1009 games so it's not as if he didn't cover the bet.
Propp was a year older a bit smaller which I guess explains why he went 5 picks later. He went on to put up 1003 pts in 1016 games.
It's rare that the big guys get knocked on power though. That is totally unlike the Mahovlich/Penner/Thornton complaints which are usually a combination of foot speed and work rate.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see the Oilers thin the ranks throughout this rebuild. I think the Oilers hold prospects past their expiration date on a regular basis. First Round Picks!!! still have some value even after you've proven they're busts. The Oilers just need to get something before they spend three additional years removing all doubt.
I am giddy with the combination of size and skill in the top 13 so far:
ReplyDelete(sources for heights and weights from oilers.nhl.com)
1) Hall 6'1 194lbs
2) Eberle 6'0 185lbs
3) Paajarvi 6'3 200lbs
4) Marincin 6'4 187lbs
5) Peckman 6'2 234lbs
6) Hamilton 6'3 202lbs
7) Pitlik 6'2 195lbs
8) Omark 5'10 174lbs
9) Lander 6'0 194lbs
10)Plante 6'4 230lbs
11)Dubnyk 6'6 202lbs
12)Petry 6'3 196lbs
13)Martindale 6'3 183lbs
That is such an amazing turn around from 3 years ago.
My greatest hope is that having these young players of skill and size will end the obsession of having players like 22 and 33 on the roster.
There will be enough crusty gritty jam in the rest of the line up that you don't need players who make the roster strictly based on size and nothing else.
If some dominoes fall correctly this could be a very good team in the fall of 2012 and beyond.