Saturday, January 7, 2012

G41 Oilers at Stars


You can see the Oilers future on display every time they play. Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and on it goes. A 220-pound Finn winger is trying to wiggle into the everyday lineup and said player has some nice things. Is there room? Who goes?


Teemu Hartikainen is 220 pounds of mad Finn, and as he showed last spring the young man can impact the game down low and in populated places. They used to call these guys "corner men" or "diggers" and it's a valuable skill, especially on a team like the Edmonton Oilers.

Teemu's position is LW, a slot that currently boasts Taylor Hall, Ryan Smyth, Ben Eager, Darcy Hordichuk and  (in OKC) Magnus Paajarvi. Guys like Sam Gagner have played there too this season. Here's the 5x5/60 numbers by LW this season for the Oilers:
  1. Ryan Smyth 2.55
  2. Taylor Hall 1.94
  3. Ben Eager 1.61
  4. Darcy Hordichuk 1.02
  5. Magnus Paajarvi 0.67
I could have included Ryan Jones in the group but am counting him as a RW in this discussion. Gagner counts as a center for our purposes.

In order for Hartikainen to find steady employment in the NHL next season--and his corner work suggests he can compete and offer the team a somewhat unique skill set--the young man will have to battle Paajarvi and Eager for playing time.

Paajarvi has draft pedigree and Eager has a signed contract, so something has to give. They could move Paajarvi to RW (or Hartikainen for that matter) but that crowds that position too. What does it mean? The summer could be spent deciding between Paajarvi and Hartikainen and Linus Omark can't buy a thrill.

In a way it's a nice problem to have, but you, me and Stu MacGregor have to hope that coach Tom Renney makes the wise choice.

This is Cliff Johnson. Houston drafted him in 1966, but didn't become a regular in the majors for a decade. Why? Astros drafted him as a catcher and despite appearances (Cliff Johnson was a big man, and not quick or learned behind the plate) a catcher he would be. One year he hit 20 homer runs in fewer than 400 ab's in the Astrodome (Grand Canyon) and they made him catch 41 games.

Houston had an incredible procurement department in those years, but the management was addled. Hell one year they gave 676 at bats to a guy who couldn't hit one home run while Cliff Johnson watched his career go by.

Stu MacGregor and his staff have drafted these kids, but there's also a lot of luck involved in the process. Teemu Hartikainen is one of the 12 best forwards on this team when everyone is healthy, and he offers some unique components.

Is he here to stay?
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Nation Radio hits the airwaves this afternoon at noon Edmonton time on Team 1260. We're up against the Oiler broadcast so I should also mention the archive will be available at the Nations sites in the next day or so. Guests scheduled to appear:
  • Todd Nelson, head coach for the OKC Barons. I'll ask him about Hartikainen's progress between being sent down and recalled, and we'll look over the roster and ask some questions about other Oiler prospects on the farm. Feel free to post questions and I promise to answer them.
  • James Mirtle from the Globe and Mail. Mirtle hit the internet with a combination of curiosity, integrity and a gift for writing. He's a straight shooter and I look forward to talking to him today.
  • Dennis King posts his scoring chances at MC's site but he's a national treasure for Oiler fans. I got a lot of questions after his last visit so we're bringing him back to discuss the Oilers, Oilers management, Edmonton media and if we have time we'll get his opinion of the Outdorr classic and its future.
  • Kent Wilson is improving the reputation of Flames bloggers one well written article at a time. We'll take about Mr. Iginla's journey to 500 goals and the promised land of NHL hockey, and discuss Jay Feaster's spring.
  • JP Nikota is one of the Pension Plan Puppets fine minds, and we'll talk about Burke, Wilson, Phaneuf and the saga of Colton Orr.
Questions are always welcome, you can post them here or email nationradio@theteam1260.com or @ItsNationRadio or Lowetide_ on twitter. Hope you can tune in.

101 comments:

  1. Somewhat off topic, what sort of return Hemsky is going to bring. A 1st? Prospect and a 1st? A suitcase full of old Redwings jerseys?

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  2. I'd guess the Oilers will try for a young defenseman in the entry level phase of his career.

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  3. My aging memory tells me that 56 has mostly played at RW on the Oilers, but I could be wrong.

    Like most Euros he (and PRV) look comfortable on both wings.

    Can you ask Nelson if both 91 and 56 are playing one side, or if he's moving them around please?

    Can you also ask him what directions (if any) the Oilers gave him in reagrds to how to deploy 91?

    With all the smoke around 83 there's one spot to open up for a winger. (*sigh*)

    This is a winnable game. DAL (like MIN and Oct version of EDM) rode hot goalies and high PDOs into the win column and have come down to earth.

    EDM has a slightly better close score shot differential (Fenwick) than DAL, but they are close.

    Close score shot differential has shown to be a better predictor of standings placement than score differential (Gabe's work mostly)

    DAL has RUN THE OILERS SHOW when they've played this year, I hope they don't get any more injuries today.

    Renney will probably play 16 so he can take an instigator penalty while the trainers try to put various Oilers back together like Humpty Dumpty.

    Go Oilers!

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  4. For me this Barons season is very much about the progress and development of Pitlick and Hamilton. Could you ask coach Nelson in what areas have each of these guys improved the most over the course of the year? Also, what do they need to improve on to have a chance to play for the Oilers next season? Thanks Lowetide

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  5. I was gonna talk about how it's 83-89-91 and a first rounder to help stock the real D cupboard but now I'm distracted by 14 talking about shooting pucks with a special machine.

    Could we hook up this special machine to the brains of Lowe and Tambellini??

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  6. WG: You're talking Paajarvi and Hartikainen, correct?

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  7. unless we see a super second half I don't think either of Hamilton or Pitlick will arrive in Edm until midway through 2013 season.

    From what I can gather on Pitlick he seems to be doing all the little and big things right but goals and points have been hard to come by. So, could be a guy where the light comes on and things start happening quickly because they've always sort of been bubbling under.

    Hamilton seems to be further behind with a few more HS under his ass.

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  8. LT,

    Yes sir. Using their Oiler numbers, and not their OKC numbers.

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  9. LT: Ask him the same thing about Omark if you don't mind. Which side did he use him, which side does he see him being more dangerous?

    If you want to go deeper, ask Nelson what are the advantages/disadvantages to a shooter of either stripe to play on their off wing. What does he look for to decide if a certain player is better suited to doing so?

    The same question about defencemen would also be interesting. When he winds up with a pairing that both shoot the same way, how does he decide who plays where? Examples? (I'm remembering Plante/Petry from last year for one.)

    PS: Next year you're gonna have to inform the authorities that there will be no more Oiler games on Saturday afternoons. Clearly they have lost the narrative.

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  10. One more thing, when Dennis pauses for breath during his opinions of Oiler management, the follow-up has to be: Now tell us what you Really think.

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  11. Went to the Barons game at Ricoh last night. Have to decide between football couch potato and driving to Hamilton tomorrow.

    Highly structured defensive game by both teams. 2-0 loss with an empty net go. Barons had a slight advantage in play, but Marlies had the luck.

    The Barons dressed only 5 D (Helmer, Chorney, Montgomery, (Doc?) Martens, and (Molly?) Ringwald, but I spent very little time watching them, instead watching the forwards, shifting my seating to the Oilers attacking zone each period.

    Abney was the extra forward. Got about 5 shifts. He is big. Looks reasonably mobile for his size. But not much need for any fisticuffs in this game.

    Cornet, Omaha, Brule
    Paajarvi, Arcobello, Petrel
    Trembley, House, Pitlick
    Tyrvainen(sp?), Vandervelde, Hamilton

    PP1 Cornet, Brule, Pitlick
    PP2 Paajarvi, Arcobello, Petrell
    PK1 Omarra Tremblay
    PK2 Vandevelde, House (VV took the draws)
    extra PK Petrell

    A pretty balanced squad.

    How I saw ONE game:

    Magnus had a couple of chances, but needs to learn to drive the play to the danger areas (broken record). I've said this before. He is not a typical prospect, and he is going to require a really smart coach to coax the great player inside out of him. (Renney is NOT that guy. Hopefully, Nelson is.)

    Of the other prospects (like Hartikainen last year), Pitlick looks to be the best one. Plays hard. Hamilton is fine, but isn't getting the push that Pitlick is. Pitlick generates more offence on his own. Hamilton is more a a complementary guy.

    Cornet may be an opportunist, but there wasn't much opportunity in this defensive game. So he was relatively blah in a blah game.

    Omarra was probably the best of the centres. He should be up and Lander down. House has marginally more offense than Vandervelde (and Omarra). But not a whole lot between them in ability.

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  12. Well, I hope the Stars are feeling sleepy today. I'm not looking forward to watching them beat up the Oilers again.

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  13. GD: appreciate the work, sir.

    BTW, i made that Ringwalk joke in Twitter but I don't think the kids got it.

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  14. Pretty neat article on 14 in the journal today. Pretty much lays out his gameplan.

    I gotta admit that the kids are so good offensively already that I already take them for granted.

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  15. It's interesting that Petrell isn't a first unit PK guy down there. You'd think keeping him sharp in that area would be a priority.

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  16. Any idea why Tulupov isn't playing mich right now?

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  17. Renney playing 16,55,12, but not 56.

    Thanks Tom.

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  18. Well this is a scrambly mess of a gamne already.

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  19. 14 hurt his knee and went to the dressingroom.

    Great.

    Broken hand for 4 next?

    Shoulder for 83?

    Goddam it!

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  20. Eberle hurt? Seriously!?

    Can we just throw the game and get him back?

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  21. Hall!!

    89 going to the net without the puck causes a goal.

    Who knew that going to the net without the puck has a positive effect?

    Good to see 89 doing that regularly now.

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  22. Dennis - Don't see the logic in negating a scoring chance because it is broken up rather than adding a positive statistic that reflects these blocks. I would also penalize for missed scoring chances of a certain calibre...but I understand why that isn't done.

    The BOS-VAN thing is hilarious. Typical that the Canucks go 4-on-1 against Thornton. VAN never should have had a 5-on-3. Burrows is one stick penalty from getting tossed...I sure hope so!

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  23. I think Hemsky injured his stick and the end of the period

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  24. I'm quite perplexed as to how that play has Eberle out of the rest of the game. Looked like it required minimal flexibility and didn't twist or bend awkwardly. Is there something wrong in how we're doing off-ice/flexibility training?

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  25. Spector thinks Cam Barker was one of the Oilers' top 3 defensemen (Whitney and Gilbert being the other two).

    Interesting.

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  26. Ott did something douchey, illegal and dangerous?

    Color me surprised.

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  27. 60 games for Ott.

    Maybe they give the fucker the death penalty. How many people does he have to hurt?

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  28. Spector thinks Cam Barker was one of the Oilers' top 3 defensemen (Whitney and Gilbert being the other two).

    Interesting.


    Nothing Spector thinks is interesting.

    Without Whitney, Renney thought Barker was top 3 too:

    5v5 TOI/gm:

    Gilbert 17:35
    Smid 16:43
    Barker 16:34
    Petry 16:14
    Potter 16:01
    Whitney 15:41 (injury influenced obv)
    Sutton 14:30
    Peckham 13:26
    Tuebert 12:41
    Chorney 12:31
    Plante 10:29

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  29. If there were a trophy for the ugliest PP, the Oilers would be contenders with that 3rd period display

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  30. This is just fucking awful.

    24 should never, ever pinch.

    What is that, 8 odd man rushes this game against the Oilers.

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  31. Have we scored a 6-on-5 goal once this year?

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  32. I thought I was being reasonable thinking the Oilers would get 4/14pts on the road trip.

    2/14pts.

    Awful.

    I know they are missing players, but its still awful.

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  33. This one falls on the coach.

    Endings like that, again, are motivation issues.

    Dallas is right up there with Detroit, just below Calgary as the most hated team going.

    Get well soon Ebs.

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  34. So... With Eberle, Gilbert, and RNH all injured, and Steve T claiming we won't end up in a lottery spot, am I the only one worried we're going to start trading prospects and picks just to end up out of the bottom five?

    With the islanders and hurricanes playing better, and the ducks only a few points back, I don't see how the Oilers will end up any higher than 29th. Is Tambellini stupid enough to make dumb moves, to "salavage" this season?

    I realize ST isn't known for quick decisions, but I'm still worried about his need to get the Oilers out of the lottery.

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  35. Khabby is playing his way out of Edmonton. Who knew.

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  36. With it's mania for sanitising the game, the NHL has totally fucked it up.

    Whining about how there isn't enough room on the ice then adding an extra ref to clog it up, the instigator penalty that stops the players policing themselves, and this season's piece de resistance with everyone going on about Shanahan this and Shanahan that.

    See good players get injured by goons who turtle and get away with it. See the Canucks turn hockey into a sissy game of whining divers.

    I feel better now.

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  37. ... "sissy game of whiny divers..."

    Who said world cup soccer?

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  38. I know Horcoff isn't Jones so its not fashionable to point out how he is doing but I will anyways.

    1 goal in 19 games

    2 points, -12 over his last 14

    I missed the game so he might have played well today but looked at the boxscore and noticed he was -3, 25% on draws

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  39. @ James: Ott targeted Lander's head with a hit.

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  40. Nice to see Gagner putting up numbers as well. Whether you want to trade him or keep him his recent production is good for the cause.

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  41. Need the losses to keep coming. I would love a top 2 pick and finishing 29th would only give us a 56.1% chance of drafting top 2. If they can finish 30th, they can guarantee one of the top 2 Russians.

    The team has improved, despite losing games. These freak injuries, as long as they're not career impacting, will only help the draft position.

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  42. Edmonton Oilers
    NHL_Oilers Edmonton Oilers

    The #Oilers have assigned Teemu Hartikainen and Josh Green to the Oklahoma City Barons of the AHL.
    50 seconds ago

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  43. 91 and ? coming up?

    Plus they'd need a replacement for 14.

    So 91, ?, ?.

    Hate to see Renney sour on Harski so fast given his 5 games in 6 nights.

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  44. Traktor,

    Nice to see you giving credit when its due.

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  45. I was firmly in Renney's corner at the beginning of the year, but now he's losing me, as he's probably losing most of the players too.

    This probably isn't the time to make a coaching change, but that time is coming soon unless we see some major rethinking.

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  46. I missed the game so he might have played well today but looked at the boxscore and noticed he was -3, 25% on draws

    Traktor: he wasn't outstanding today (not as bad as he looked in Buffalo, but not as good as he played in Chicago either, to reference two recent examples), however, of that -3, one was a goal bounced in from behind the goaline and another was an empty-netter. As for the 3rd, personal opinion is that the two d-men leaving Benn alone in front were the primary culprits, but others' mileage may vary on that one. A good example why plus/minus needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

    Nice to see Gagner putting up numbers as well. Whether you want to trade him or keep him his recent production is good for the cause.

    100% true. More importantly, it seems like he and Hall might have a bit of chemistry with one another (seeing that Gagner is a RH center and Hall is a LW, it might be a natural fit). If the Oilers keep Gagner and one subscribes to the theory that a team doesn't necessarily play it's best three forwards together at evens (Detroit with Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Fransen might be a prime example), maybe Hall-Gagner is a "pair" to form the genesis of a strong second line behind an RNH/Eberle centered line 1?

    Further to that, Hartikainen on LW and Paajarvi on RW might be the pieces to fill out those trios. As such, if (or, sadly, when) Hemsky gets dealt, maybe we see something like this happen?

    Hartikainen-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Gagner-Paaarvi
    Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
    Lander-Belanger-Eager

    Short term it might be difficult in terms of matchups, but as the kids grow, it could be effective.

    First things first though, get RNH and Eberle healthy, dammit.

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  47. The only reason for sending Hartikainen down is because things are a mess right now with the Oilers but that reasoning is canceled out by Lander's continued "development" at the NHL level.

    MacRenney.

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  48. This team is a real bummer to watch. Ebs getting hurt - gimme a break.

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  49. Woodguy:

    Since the Oilers don't play until Wednesday, maybe it's just a case that they need bodies in OKC and these guys get the recall Tuesday afternoon/evening?

    Just a thought.

    Anyways, the good news is that the Oil are 5-2-2 this year during games where I am in attendance, and through some bizzare set of circumstances, I find myself with tickets to the next eight home games, so maybe not all hope is lost.

    However, as PJO correctly points out, they may be so far out of it already that finishing in the bottom five is a better alternative. Yes, it sucks mightily that it's January 6th and we're going to start debating the relative merits of Yakupov, Grigorenko, but at the same time...if they're going to miss again this season, I'd rather they get one more blue chipper. Despite the results, there are indicators that suggest improvement, and maybe, just maybe, Katz will gas Tambellini and install a competent GM if things finish that badly.

    The only downsides to this whole scenario are that a) there are two Russians in the current projected top-three, and a Zherdev/Filatov style bust is something the Oil don't need and b) if Tambellini gets gassed in favor of a return of Kevin Lowe to the GM's chair, that is NOT an improvement.

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  50. The only reason for sending Hartikainen down is because things are a mess right now with the Oilers but that reasoning is canceled out by Lander's continued "development" at the NHL level.

    You're spot-on yet again Traktor.

    Some friends and I had this discussion during the Team Canada game on Tuesday. At this point, wouldn't it make sense to have Paajarvi-Lander-Hartikainen playing together as a unit SOMEWHERE? Preferably the AHL, of course. Let them build chemistry and confidence, then at the dealine, bring the trio up for the last quarter of the NHL season.

    Seems logical...but as you've somewhat already said, the Oilers don't seem to function in the realm of logic with these sorts of decisions.

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  51. What do you want to bet that if Paajarvi comes back up he's stuck on the 3rd/4th line again...

    So I guess the real plan was to ride crappy second-tier veterans to another top 3 pick.

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  52. Traktor,

    Apparently Renney said disparaging things about Hartikainen after TC, so it may be a sideburns thing.

    Hbomb,

    LT mentioned the break until WED on twitter too. Hope so. As Traktor alluded to in this thread and others have mentioned all year, keeping Lander here ahead of others is head scratching at best. Renney looks like he plays favorites.

    History suggest the architect of teams that draft high multiple years in a row are rarely around when the team is good, so we have that to look forward too.

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  53. Hbomb said:


    Hartikainen-RNH-Eberle
    Hall-Gagner-Paaarvi
    Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
    Lander-Belanger-Eager


    Have you resigned yourself to the Oilers not re-signing Hemsky?

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  54. Peeps: yes. I'm very pro-Hemsky, but the writing is on the wall with regards to #83.

    I'll be sad to see him go. The guy was the best player on the team over one of the worst stretches of performance in the NHL history of the Oilers. I truly hope he goes to Detroit, scores 75-80 points a season, and raises the Stanley, mostly to make the "Hemsky's an overrated bum" have to wipe egg off their collective faces.

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  55. If they get a 1 or 2 lottery pick they should use it as currency...this team needs a seasoned D-man...lotsa potential firepower...zero defensive end coverage.

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  57. Hbomb: Don't worry... Hemsky critics will never change. If Hemsky won a stanley in Detroit, people will still call him a bum, just like that bum Osgood!

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  58. Except Osgood was a bum. ;)

    Was at the game last night at Ricoh as well, not much else to add to godot's notes except to say that Pitlick also impressed me quite a bit.

    Great speed, lots of try. head on a swivel in the neutral and defensive zones. He's a big kid, still a bit lean, he lost a couple of puck battles to bigger men but presume he will put on some muscle as he gets older.

    Liked him a lot.

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  59. OKC plays in Hamilton tomorrow, so no reason not to send back the emergency recalls. Oilers will surely recall somebody on Monday, though not necessarily the same two guys.

    Josh Green: 3 GP, 0-0-0, -6

    Though I'll give him credit for stepping up when he was the closest guy to that prick Ott after the cheap shot on Lander.

    Thing about team toughness is it's better delivered right at the time, meaning the guy has to be good enough to play the fucking game. There's less than a 4% likelihood that Hordy and his 2:14 TOI will be out there at the appropriate moment, so what's the point? Team was effectively down to 10 forwards in the first period, playing their 4th in 5½ days. Who would have guessed they'd run out of gas in the third (again)? Not Renney apparently.

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  60. If they don't recall Hartikainen that's a dirty rotten shame. That kid has earned it dammit.

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  61. The Finnish Bash should be up for sure.

    Of all the Oklahoma guys I am most interested in Pitlick.

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  62. I'm watching Dillon Simpson in Winnipeg tonight. He's got two assists going into the third period. He's got a few shots on net, looks good on the rush, and appears to be on the first pp unit. He battles hard in in his own end, and seems to make good decisions with the puck. The biggest negative I've seen is he sometimes has trouble getting up to speed backwards.

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  63. Today's fun fact.

    Shane Doan just scored the first hat trick of his career.

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  64. Would have set the record for most career two goal games but scored his third with 00.1 seconds left in the game.

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  65. Sledgehammer with 1 assist and 8-1 on the draws tonight.

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  66. @DSF: presumably the record would be most two-goal games without a hat trick?

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  67. Traktor: If he EVER makes it I'm changing the name of the blog to Pouliolowetide.

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  68. @dsf: The fifty foot buzzerbeater past Bryzgalov...Doan was all smiles after the review...was good to see. He'd be a good DISPERSAL draft pick...lol

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  69. Didn't Petr Sykora have some sort of ridiculous streak of 2-goal games without a hat-trick up until a couple years ago?

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  70. The only downsides to this whole scenario are that a) there are two Russians in the current projected top-three, and a Zherdev/Filatov style bust is something the Oil don't need.

    I'm not concerned. Both of these guys are playing in the CHL. Scouts will have ''saw them good''

    Of course they could also pull a Radulov. Unlikely though.

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  71. He'd be a good DISPERSAL draft pick...

    Just don't hold it in Edmonton.

    (I was also going to make a crack about also hoping that X did not fold at the same time, where X was whatever team Steve Kelly is currently playing for, but it looks like he retired a couple of years ago.)

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  72. Mandatory steroid testing.
    That would take care of guys like Ott.

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  73. PJO: The CHL point is a cause for optimism, but there's still reason to be a bit concerned.

    Maybe comparing them to Filatov and Zherdev is slightly harsh, but at the same time, I didn't see anything in the WJC to suggest Ovechkin/Malkin upside either. That being said, even though he didn't get as much icetime, I liked what I saw of Grigorenko in limited action more than what I saw of Yakupov.

    All this discussion might be moot, however - even with the situation in Oilerville as-is...they couldn't really stink bad enough to overtake Columbus and Anaheim, could they? And on top of that, Stauffer was talking Ryan Murray on Oilers Now this week and Jim Matheson is comparing him to Scott Niedermayer at every opportunity. Could that be a hint to whom the Oil already have their eyes on?

    I really wish we weren't discussing draft strategy in early January yet again...but here we are.

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  76. Last year, every Oiler who got near 40 points was either injured or traded (Hall, Gagner, Penner...). Eberle got 43 points, but because this happened right at the end pf the season, perhaps the hockey gods spared him.

    This year, as the first player to pass 40 points, Eberle of course got injured. I hope this "curse of 40" doesn't become another annual Oiler tradition, such as good players getting bizarre shoulder injuries, the team missing the playoffs, and having Laforge making assy, somewhat-threatenning, comments to the fan-base.

    On a bright side, being on-course for 34 points, Hemsky shouldn't be injured again or traded this season. :)

    Verification word: snonte
    "Laforge is a little snonte"

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  77. Hbomb:

    If it's a race to get to the bottom, Tambellini is the guy you need in your corner.

    I believe the Oilers can achieve 29th overall by the end of this year. Anaheim is only a 7 points below us, and have 2 games in hand.

    In the last 10 games:
    Oilers: 2-8-0
    Ducks: 3-6-1

    Only a minor edge to Anaheim, but over half a season, that's more than enough additional points to pass the Oilers (who have also lost Eberle, RNH, and Gilbert in a few short days).

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  78. (and yes... I realize 10 games is a small sample size)

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  79. “Hordy didn’t play much (2:14), but he was a deterrent for us. Dallas played hockey today,” said Renney. I was going to post something about Renney being a piss-poor coach but, you know what? It just doesn't matter anymore. This Oilers team is so fucking lost, they would need GPS to find their way out of a two-holed shithouse!

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  80. question for the stats folks:

    Are HOrcoff and Belanger bad defensively, or are they just made to look bad because they are sent out on the ice against the other teams' best players, and our defence is so bad, that no matter which dmen are out (without Gilbert, and even when he is there his pairing isn't always on the ice) on the ice, they can't clear the net, can't clear the zone, thus making Horcoff and Belanger look worse defensively than they actually are?

    Or, are they actually not that good defensively?

    I can't see how advanced stats can help with that given how bad our dmen are...

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  81. Maybe comparing them to Filatov and Zherdev is slightly harsh, but at the same time, I didn't see anything in the WJC to suggest Ovechkin/Malkin upside either.

    What do they have in common with Filatov or Zherdev, other than they share the same nationality?

    As for the WJC - tournament of small sample sizes. Yakupov, I thought, played reasonably well and displayed some of the natural talent that excites everyone. He's having a great year in Sarnia (PPG of 2.04) and is a great goal-scorer (21 in 26, 49 in 65 last year. You can never have enough goal scorers.



    All this discussion might be moot, however - even with the situation in Oilerville as-is...they couldn't really stink bad enough to overtake Columbus and Anaheim, could they
    ?

    I suspect Anaheim will pass us. Have 3 HTD games with them, and they're only 7 back (2 games in hand). I also don't believe they're as bad as their record. Columbus might have more trouble, but they've played reasonably well lately (losing alot of 1 goal games). 8 points (1 game in hand) over 42 games may not be that difficult to overcome. See New Jersey and Carolina the last few years.

    I think they'll take Murray if he's available at #3, but I do believe they will take the BPA (a Russian) at #1 or #2.

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  82. another question for the smart people here:

    I was not able to watch that much of the WJHC. How did Ryan Murray look? Stauffer has been saying if Murray had been eligiblelast year he would have went ahead of Larsson. Anyone else hear that? Could he really be as good as Niedermayer?


    Also, what do you smart folks think of going after Francois Beauchemin next summer as a second pairing dman? Is he still good enough to do it? would he come here?

    If i were a free agent dman, i would seriously consider coming here as the Oilers would clearly be a much better team with a good dman or two. Especially if Grigorenko is up front with the other wonderkids.

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  83. @ Bruce.

    Yes, a record held by Sykora and with a tie to former Oilers Scott Mellanby as well.

    The story is here:

    http://goo.gl/PMuIP

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  84. Oilersfan:

    14 Oilers forwards have played at least ten games. Of those, Horcoff has faced the toughest competition by any measure you care to use; Belanger has faced middling competition or worse. The have the second and third toughest zonestarts, respectively (credit where it's due: that bum Ryan Jones has the toughest). Horcoff's had average-to-above-average teammates, Belanger average ones.

    So overall, Horcoff's being placed in the toughest position of any Oilers' forward, and it's not close. Belanger's in a somewhat better situation, but still has a very tough zonestart situation, and has worse teammates than Horcoff.

    As for results, Horcoff's got the second worst GA/60 (after Hordichuk) and Belanger the fourth. Horcoff is also getting the least help from goalies, though (Belanger's close to average in that department). Horcoff allows the fourth most shots, Belanger the second most. They're being slightly penalized by shooters' accuracy, though, because they're lower down on the list of missed shots against/60.

    Belanger's got an excellent zoneshift, while Horcoff's is a hair above even.

    On the more holistic (i.e. not purely defensive) side, both men have positive RelCorsis (although negative absolute Corsis, like almost everyone on the team).

    You can draw your own conclusions from the above, but here are mine: Horcoff is being put in extremely tough situations, and it shows, though he's still doing better than most would. Belanger has been less than we'd hoped for, but but he's playing with dregs and starting most of his shifts in the defensive zone; it's not like he's been a liability.

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  85. Only in Edmonton could a guy who over his past dozen games had gone 0-1-1, -11 be considered "not a liability".

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  86. steve

    my point is, they are looking terrible defensively, Horcoff and Belanger, because of the team's -7-2 record going into the third with a tie, and their plus minues are terrible. so my question is, are they no longer good options as defensive centers, or is our defense so bad, it is impossible to tell?

    i wonder what the NHL record is for worst record after scoring first in a NHL game? Ithink the Oilers must be close to getting that one. and it speaks to how bad their team defence is that they cannot maintain or protect a lead.

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  87. Only in Edmonton could a guy who over his past dozen games had gone 0-1-1, -11 be considered "not a liability".

    His offensive production has been shit, but the question was about defence. And I maintain that his results on that front are reasonable when viewed in context.

    (Among other things, I'd be curious to know his PDO during the dozen games you speak of - you know better than I do that when you get into sample sizes like that, things like PDO can be major factors.)

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  88. so my question is, are they no longer good options as defensive centers, or is our defense so bad, it is impossible to tell?

    And my answer, particularly in Horcoff's case, is "none of the above".

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  89. Handy that Zone just put up a graph to help explain this very topic

    Hey look, Hemsky plays against the toughest competition and manages to be one of two Oilers to actually out shoot the opponents.

    Run that lazy malcontent out of town now!!

    We'd much rather has another mediocre player who stays after practice to he can be the best mediocre that he can be!

    I bet the MSM would love his "try"

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  90. "Hey look, Hemsky plays against the toughest competition and manages to be one of two Oilers to actually out shoot the opponents."

    GFON60: 1.75
    GAON60: 2.70

    Differential: -0.95

    Almost as bad as Horcoff's -0.99

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  91. If we get another first overall pick, I don't think it's out of the question that whoever he is could pull a Lindros/Manning and refuse to get on board.

    We will have become that kind of team.

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  92. Something's got to give, right?

    GM gone?

    Coaches?

    trading this season?

    If one of these things happen, I will be hopeful that we are going somewhere, or at least trying to.

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  93. "Hey look, Hemsky plays against the toughest competition and manages to be one of two Oilers to actually out shoot the opponents."

    GFON60: 1.75
    GAON60: 2.70

    Differential: -0.95

    Almost as bad as Horcoff's -0.99


    What you wrote doesn't negate the fact that Hemsky out shoots tough competition, and with Hall are the only Oilers to out shoot anyone.

    If you want to judge players on a contextless +/- that's your prerogative.

    Given that Hemsky's On Ice Save Percentage (shown to be out of the player's hands) is 11/14 on the team, and his ON SH% is 10/14 (6.59 blah) resulting in a PDO of 977 (11/14), some of his +/- can be forgiven to luck.

    Add in that he's coming back from major surgery and picture become more clear.

    Hemsky has had an off year so far, but there are some mitigating factors.

    Do we throw him away or expect him to return to form?

    Traktor,

    Do you trade Hemsky or are you just trolling me?

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  94. This Van Diest article on Whitney has a couple of things worth mentioning.

    First he says that the Oilers don't want to rush Whitney back, but based on what we saw earlier this year, that's exactly what they did.

    Secondly Renney makes it sound like Whitney is being lazy by not getting on the ice to strengthen his ankle and that its all in his head.

    Some quotes:

    Renney: "There is a mental connection from his head to the rest of his body to know that he can do it. That's pretty much where we are."

    Renney: "There's a point and time that the player has to say ‘Ok, I have to give it a go here' and we'll prod him and push him a little bit, but we're certainly going to listen to him"

    Sounds like the Oilers are pushing a Dman to come back from an injury faster than what his body is dictating.

    I've never heard of the Oilers doing that before. /bookiesouraythingy!

    Given that Whitney couldn't turn left at all when he was playing this year, I wonder what Renney sees to think that Whitney was ready that didn't show up on the game tape?

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