Monday, January 2, 2012

G38 Oilers at Hawks


This is Phil Russell. He was a star as an Edmonton Oil King, was drafted by Chicago and enjoyed success in the Windy City. Edmonton's connections to Boston (Sather) and Detroit (all the old time Flyers like Bucyk and Ullman) are stronger, but the Chicago-Edmonton hockey story intersects from time to time.


This lineup is from sometime between 1963 and 1965, because Len Lunde ripped it up in Buffalo in those two seasons. Lunde would still be remembered in Edmonton because of some strong years with both the Oil Kings and old Edmonton Flyers in the 50s and 60s. JohnMiszuk played two seasons with the Flyers and would have graduated to the Detroit system but they traded him to Chicago in 1964.

Gerry Melnyk (his name is spelled that way universally now) was a very famous Edmonton hockey player with both the Oil Kings and Flyers. He was Edmonton born and bred, and if you ask any old timer about Melnyk you'll get a story or two. Guys my age won't tell you about him as a player, but will pass along the legend of the 1969 entry draft--an entire league afraid to select Bobby Clarke because of a medical condition--and the moment when Melnyk (a Flyers scout) finally convinced Bud Poile to take a chance. Not a bad day for scout Gerry Melnyk, Bobby Clarke did okay in Philly.

Both Hillmans are in that game, plus Bronco Horvath and some fine coaches in Al Arbour and Don Cherry. Larry Wilson's name is written in for Buffalo, he is Ron Wilson's (Toronto coach) Dad who passed away in 1979. Larry's brother Johnny Wilson (Ron Wilson's uncle) passed away over Christmas.

I love these threads that tie the game together, always have. I wish our forefathers had documented hockey the way baseball's lore has been so adored. Maybe it's better, all these little threads that tie the game to communities and families and timelines. Maybe they wouldn't be as special if everyone knew them.

But I do think it's a shame that we don't honor men like Johnny Wilson in the years after they pass from the game. Wonderful people touch this game and leave their mark. Len Lunde passed away over a year ago, and the things he did after leaving Edmonton were exceptional. There should be a place where we keep track of these men, tell stories, write them down and pass them along.



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Oilers ripped it up in mid-November in a home game against Chicago. Hemsky scored early and then it was Mamma just wants to barrelhouse all night long. When they meet tonight it'll be a case of both teams being quick change artists; the Oilers look like they were born on the bad side of the moon and Chicago fans are indulging in crazy talk about the 2012 Stanley.

The Oilers finally made a roster move, and it makes sense. Lennart Petrell offered this team a solid PK option early, but the 4th line is beyond bad. Adding Teemu Hartikainen is at least recognition that sending Anton Lander out with extreme role players Ben Eager and Darcy Hordichuk is not a plan.

I also think it shows good sense to place Hartikainen on the highest line possible tonight. Give the kid a whirl with some skilled men, maybe he'll score a goal and have some chem. MAYBE he'll help ignite one or two of the veterans, as they were a major part of the Oilers victory over the Hawks in November.

Beneath, between and behind there are some in house options for the Oilers. They've stopped plaiyng a clearly frail Ryan Whitney and the Hartikainen recall might be the start of something we'll be telling stories about years from now: the day our beloved Finland gifted our Oilers with another wonderful player.

We could use a Phil Russell too.

182 comments:

  1. A Phil Russel or maybe two ... this dcorp is pretty slim on NHL regulars.

    I don't think this is going to end well for the Oilers. They may compete, but unless that crazy Kane and his buddies partied it up again last night, the Oilers will fall short again.

    I like the call up, but then it would be a waste to see him on the 4th line all night.

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  2. Bruce's post adds some useful context to the Finn swap.

    Teemu Hartikainen gets the call from OKC

    About the turnstile lube:

    If we had a rating of 0, he’d get it. Took all 16 of Oilers penalty minutes in this one, every one of them a dumb penalty.

    I recall some young lady gave him a pair of fat zeroes, but I see the problem.

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  3. Yeah, I think the Hartikainen recall would have happened weeks ago but for injury. However, there are several other players on this team who could be sent out.

    Tambellini's talk to Matheson is either the ultimate counter trey or he's grabbed the violin as Rome burns, but I do like this Hartikainen move.

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  4. Well, it took until the new year to right a wrong from training camp, but it's Teemu time now. I hope he's healthy...his stats since returning haven't been great. Love the way this guy plays the game and sure hope he's still in by the time the team returns.

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  5. I also think it shows good sense to place Hartikainen on the highest line possible tonight

    If Jones isn't ready to go, he'll probably take his spot.

    the Hartikainen recall might be the start of something we'll be telling stories about years from now: the day our beloved Finland gifted our Oilers with another wonderful player.

    The start of that was last year when Harski was one of the best Oilers during the annual Baataneque Oiler spring hockey march.

    He was also one of the best Oilers in camp this year and they sent him away.

    He better be up for good. He's a player.

    Also,

    Tonight I'm going to take pleasure in watching two of the best complete hockey players in the game. Toews and Hossa.

    To pick a number from the air, its seems like these two guys win 75%+ of their puck battles.

    Both also use the body very effectively to remove opposing players from the puck. Neither of them throw hellacious hits (often), but they separate the opponent from the puck using their body very well, and very often.

    You'd never hear the words "gritty" or "jam" to describes these guys because they have real hockey talent.

    Both of them play the game the right way. Every shift.

    Bet365 has the line on tonight's game at -240 Hawks. Seems about right.

    Hawks in regulation at -145 and Hawks by 2 at +110 are probably both safe bets too.

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  6. I loved Phil Russell when I was in my teen years following the Oil Kings.

    He was tough as nails and one of the reasons (along with Darcy Rota) I abandoned the Bruins to become a Blackhawks fan.

    When Russell and Rota were traded by the Hawks in 1979, it was that much easier to switch my full NHL allegiance to the NHL Oilers the next season.

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  7. At this point it's believe that Hartikainen will line up with Lander and Hordichuk tonight.

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  8. I was at the barons game last night. I have to say that after watching paajarvi absolutely dominate, the oilers are doing themselves a disservice by keeping lander on the big club. His development would be much better served playing meaningful minutes on a competitive team.

    omarra looked every bit as capable of filling landers role with the oil and Lander could gain confidence on the farm as paajarvi has.

    its these simple, common sense decisions that oilers management seems incapable of making.
    Gut the front office already.

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  9. The moves they could make without trade are there but limited. Whitney isn't playing, that's one. Hartikainen called up that's two.

    Now, they could bench Peckham and play Teubert (he's probably passed him at even strength) and of course if you can talk Tom Renney out of Eager or Hordichuk there's a move to be made there too.

    But the obvious one is Lander to OKC, callup O'Marra or VandeVelde.

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  10. Nuge still ahead of Henrique, gap is closing.

    Nuge 37, 13-22-35 E
    Hen 34, 10-18-28 +7

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  11. Cue the "We should have got Henrique instead of that bust RNH" arguments.

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  12. Cue the ... where are they now in 5 years when you never hear about Henrique except where outside the NHL he is playing ...

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  13. A lineup I'd like to see to run to the trade deadline

    Hall-RNH-Eberle
    (1st unit)

    MPS-Gagner-Hartikainen
    (will kill the soft parade)

    Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
    (tough minutes line)

    Eager-Belanger-Jones
    (a true checking line, which is where these 3 need to play)

    Play "3" scoring lines. You have the vet line for tough PVP minutes. You have the kid line to do what they do, and you have a "3rd" line that should kill the soft parade. It also lets you showcase Gagner if he is not in the future, and still puts Hemsky in his best place to succeed, so either he gets it going and we deal him, or he gets it going and we resign him.

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  14. Would love to see Dubnyk get a shot at redeeming himself but that won't happen.

    'Hawks have had this date circled ever since that WTF game. The Madhouse on Madison will have that goofy tune going all night I fear.

    I can't take much more of Tambellini.

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  15. Henrique is 3yrs older than Nuge. He played 2 yrs more junior than the Nuge for a very good Windsor team, and was seasoned a full year in the AHL last year. This is like comparing men to boys. Give the kid a break... he's playing better than most of us expected

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  16. I followed Phil Russell when he was with the Oil Kings and when he was a rookie with Chicago that year. They lost in game 7. I will always remember the HNIC post game interview where he was in tears after the loss. Seeing a big guy cry made an impression on this 8 year old. I think that was the closest he ever got to Stanley.

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  17. Obviously RNH is the better long term prospect, but I'm hoping he'll win the Calder. Henrique is the obvious fly in the ointment.

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  18. Probably 70 percent of Oiler fans played some hockey and are aware of team structure. This isn't Florida. It's no secret that the Oilers need some size, some corner men. I've never been a fan of the big hitting, more a fan of the Bob Gainey school of defense. So to me signing Petrell was a great idea, throwing him in at the deep end without some time in the AHL was stupid. As to the signing two of the Klutz Brigade, blech.

    Woodguy - totally agree on the two in Chicago. Big hits hurt both participants and are non productive. A nice board rubout is a beautiful thing.

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  19. I'll just keep repeating myself.

    The two kids need a winger to create some room for them. Harts is the closest thing we have at the moment both in the corners and crashing the net.

    Hemsky on the checking line has been a sin forever.

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  20. It is stupid. Let's just hope that message was garbled in translation and that he's actually playing with Gagner and Hemsky.

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  21. If you look at the stats then a simple idea leaps out at you. The Oilers are awful in no small part because they have the worst differential between home and road of any team in the NHL. At home they are 55 Goals for and 41 against. On the road they are 44 goals for and 60 against.

    As it happens their shots against doesn't go up by much though the quality of those shots do slightly. However their shots against plunge as do their scoring chances. Imagine how good they would be if they had scored 55 goals on the road while still giving up that 60 against.

    Point is their offense sucks on the road. So how about on the road rotating the kids through the fourth line. Dress 7 D or Hordichuck but in the game roll lines like Harti - Lander (O'Mara - Vandevelde) Eberle or Hall - Lander - Harti or Harti - RNH - Lander (though this one would work better with Vandevelde or Omara).

    Now skilled young men are playing against the other team's energy line and Harti isn't wasted playing with plugs. Probably some nights they will get burned but there will be nights when they click and score. If nothing else it changes the look and feel of the team.

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  22. Well they lost me on the handling of Omark, but adding Hartikainen and then putting him on the 4line is insane.

    Really. Omark, MP and now Hartikainen. The trifucta.

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  23. The three young guns are ineffective on the road because they are all on one line and can be covered by the other team's checking line. Why does Renney have this tough time comprehending basics from Bantam?

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  24. At this point it's believe that Hartikainen will line up with Lander and Hordichuk tonight.

    Monday, January 2, 2012 9:36:00 AM MST

    Lowetide said...
    well that's insane.


    I don't think its that insane.

    I'm a fan of 4th liners being young players trying to work their way into the NHL full time and up the depth chart.

    As I've said often, a proper "energy" is young players looking to take jobs on the top 3 lines. Competition is a good thing.

    If 55 is HS and 16 plays 2min, with 4 and 89 taking shifts with 57-58 it should be all right.

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  25. I don't care if it is here in the NHL or down in the AHL, but my thought is that Hartikainen-Lander-Paajarvi should be playing as a unit.

    Hell, if the two wingers were in the NHL, give them Gagner as a center, put together a better-than-average 4th line of Eager-Belanger-Jones, and roll with that (Lander would get his AHL stint under this scenario, until the trade deadline at least).

    Anyways, it's always a good read when a hockey story includes a good Gerry Melnyk reference. He had a cabin at a lake nearby where we used to spend 2-3 weeks every summer at our family cottage (owned by my grandparents at the time, now by an aunt and uncle) and was part of the same group of morning golfers at the local 9-hole that my dad was. I got a chance to spend a bit of time with him whenever I went out to play with said group as a teenager. Anyways, the man always had two things - a hockey story of some sort, or a good dirty joke (I'm pretty sure he was the one who I first heard the "Minsk" joke from).

    Attended his funeral as well in 2001 when leukemia took him at age 67, which is "fartoodamnearly" in my books. Had a different perspective on how significant a hockey life he had led when I saw the likes of Bill Hunter at said funeral....

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  26. LT,
    Just curious as to who in the top 6/9 you would like to drop down in order for Hartikainen to be used in the way you'd like to see.... this assuming that Jones is good to go tonight?

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  27. inthegrease:

    RNH-Hall-Eberle
    Horcoff-Smyth-Hemsky
    Gagner-Hartikainen-Jones
    Belanger-doesntmatter-doesntmatter

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  28. Do we move Lander to wing, slot Gagner back in the middle and go with:

    Hall - RNH - Eberle
    Hartikainen - Gagner - Hemsky
    Smyth - Horcoff - Jones
    Lander - Belanger - Hordichuk

    Assuming Eager gets scratched based on his ill-advised penalties last game...

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  29. It doesn't matter. The Oilers don't have enough useful forwards for 4 lines, so they can play an overmatched Lander, a befuddled Eager or Hordichuk, who imo fills the role asked but is useful only if the Hawks dress that big dummy John Scott.

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  30. Thanks LT... sorry was working on my own projected lines simultaneously -I'm feeling your lineup as well - either way both options put Gagner back in the middle..

    I also think Lander needs to be sent down at this point - could O'Marra be called up on put on the wing? At least we'd get maintain some size, but in a slightly more intelligent package...

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  31. Yeah, I think O'marra is the logical choice. VandeVelde is also available but it sounds like ROM is having a better year.

    Lander's a helluva prospect, it's important that he get plenty of playing time. Crazy roster decision made crazier by roster inertia.

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  32. I'm a fan of 4th liners being young players trying to work their way into the NHL full time and up the depth chart.

    Typically I am too, but dropping Belanger to the 4th can fix that problem (worst 4th line in the NHL) and moving Hartikainen up can fix the problem of Gagner throwing gorgeous passes and having them flubbed. Repeatedly.

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  33. Jesse Rogers from ESPN is tweeting Dubnyk starts. My guess is injury for NK, otherwise this would imply long term thinking.

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  34. Yep, Chris Kuc from Chicago Tribune also just tweeted correction : Dubnyk starts... ominous.

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  35. @LT,

    I think Tambo made some comment in his interview about Khabi being banged up.

    It is possible that mgmt, might believe DD needs to play more than once every 10 days to stay sharp and improve. Nah, that would be just plain silly.

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  36. My question is who is going to be on the PK? Jones is out, and Petrell is down... or do they go with the 'don't take any penalties' approach?

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  37. Regwald: I hope like hell it's a chance to play Dubnyk more, but a cynic would suggest that Khabibulin is either hurt or they're sending Dubnyk out for slaughter.

    Either way, it's an opportunity for Dubnyk.

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  38. Ah.. just found this on the Oilers website:
    "If it's not going to do any more damage, there's no point in sitting out." -Jones on his bruised foot from last game's blocked shot

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  39. Re: that Matheson story, it is definitely a posturing piece.

    That "Ryan Murray = Scott Niedermayer" non-sequitur part-way through was the author's way of priming his audience for a future article (just in case it becomes necessary) and tacitly accepting the possibility that it's already too far gone to save.

    Again, my two cents only and feel free to tell me I read too much into things.

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  40. Thanks Grease - my BAD! Seeing Jones go out like that, there's no way that I thought he'd be getting a skate back on for a week at least.

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  41. I'd start Dubnyk. In fact, I would start him every time the Oilers are badly overmatched the rest of the year. First, he does in fact need to play more, a lot more. Second he has serious concentration problems he needs to overcome.

    His games mostly follow a predictable pattern. He keeps the Oilers in it. Then when it really matters he gives up a horrible goal and it costs us the game. Against a Chicago team playing at home and looking for revenge that would be a great outcome. Knowing they could score double digits on him ought to keep Dubnyk's head in the game.

    On top of which there is something of a psychological effect in play for the entire team. When Dubnyk plays our bad d becomes putrid. If we can't overcome that tendency at least lets deploy it in games we were going to lose anyway. There is nothing more heart breaking than Dubnyk playing in a game the Oilers should win, their D crapping the bed and Dubnyk letting in a bad goal and the Oilers losing when they could have and probably should have won.

    The Oilers are still pyschologically frail as all get out and the coaching staff needs to start protecting the team from bad outcomes wherever possible. In this scenario if Dubnyk stands on his head and we win it seems close to a miracle. It would be the sort of moment that turns seasons around.

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  42. It appears Blain has been traded

    http://fr.canoe.ca/sports/nouvelles/hockey/lhjmq/archives/2012/01/20120102-131703.html

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  43. A question: Does anyone think mgnmt (not 3.2, but maybe Vish) told Renney he needs to play DD more in the 2nd half?

    Also, for the road games when it's easy to match against RNH-Hall-Eberle, why not go back to the combo's they were playing just before Hall got hurt. Iirc:

    - RNH-Smyth-Eberle
    - Horcov-Hall-Hemsky

    Then you can put Haarski w/Gagner and Jones and let the 4th line be Belanger, Hordichuk and whomever.

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  44. I think the DD answer is simple. He's playing because either Khabi was at the same New Year's party as Bryz or Khabi is not good to go.

    If mgmt was interested in developing DD, they would not have let him sit for long periods of time and play an aging goaltender until he started to break down.

    I disagree wit @vor. DD has shown some solid play and solid starts when he is playing regularly. His current funk, IMHO is all about lack of playing time and starts. Simple as that.

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  45. A question: Does anyone think mgnmt (not 3.2, but maybe Vish) told Renney he needs to play DD more in the 2nd half?

    The same management that thinks the team just needs to get back to the November goaltending?

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  46. How about just not playing the 4th line at all and rolling 3 lines? Seemed to work well in 06.

    I don't get this 4 line thing. Just because they're in your lineup doesn't mean you need to play them. I'm assuming all of the forwards were used to playing 20-25 minutes/night in junior. There's enough TV timeouts in the NHL to keep them rested. Some players need to play more to be effective.

    I like LTs lines - Spot Belanger in for heavy PK duty and own zone faceoffs when Horc is tired. Keep the 'doesntmatters" on the bench unless the game is out of hand or somebody needs their lunch fed to them.

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  48. The book is out how to beat the Oilers - play them physical and they will fold like a lawn-chair.

    And here I thought it was "take advantage at the Oilers' weakness in the field of scoring more goals than their opponents."

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  49. I'm sure if Tambellini and Renney built a team from scratch players like Horti wouldn't be on the template but the Oilers are one of the softest teams in the league even with guys like Horti and Eager.

    The book is out how to beat the Oilers - play them physical and they will fold like a lawn-chair.

    They need someone like Lucic, Backes or Brown on the wings and a prick like Ryan Kesler at center. Even a 40 point Ryan Kesler would be a killer 2nd line center.

    Horcoff, Belanger and Gagner are all non-physical players. You don't have to injure the other team but none of those centers finish their checks which gives the opposing team a free ride. Its very easy to play hockey when you never have anything to worry about.

    RNH is all-world but the centers we have are not the type to build around RNH with. O'marra should be the 4th line C and then one of Gagner/Horcoff should be gone for a center that can play nasty and then the other should be gone when Lander is ready.

    On the wings Hall and Eberle are star players but again, they mostly play a skilled game. Jones is nice and Harty looks like a gritty guy with skill but if you want a 4th line that can play then you need some extra size to play with the skill in the top 9. A guy like Ruutu or Dubinsky would be a much better fit than Hemsky.

    Hall RNH Eberle
    Smyth - Ruutu - Brown/Harty
    Dubinsky/Harty - Horcoff - Jones
    MPS - Lander/Omarra - Omark

    That team could go places.. even with our shitty D.

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  50. Wow, just watched the Bryzgalov comments - Funny to us, not to Ed Snider I'm assuming. What a nut case.

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  51. Re Dubnyk: The fools who drafted him pointed out that he played for a horrible junior team and got routinely stoned night after night...not in the Raffi way mind...

    Dude then flounders for a few years as a prospect of the Oilers = no farm team...

    The past 2 seasons he's played a few games for the Oilers...he's never very much either brilliant or terrible...but leans toward the latter heavily...

    WTF is this guy doing as the next great Oiler's goaltender hope!? Never played on a winner...nothing special about him whatever...

    I just don't get it.

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  52. Can you imagine how upset/angry Holmgren is over the comments ?

    $10M for this season, signed for 8 more seasons and he isn't even your starting goalie ? And he is #43 out of 46 goaltenders with a .890 SV%.

    Only Neuvirth .887, Steve Mason .885 and Roli .883 are worse.

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  53. "And here I thought it was "take advantage at the Oilers' weakness in the field of scoring more goals than their opponents."

    Edmonton scoring fewer goals than they allow is just the end result and it doesn't explain why.

    I offered my reasoning as to why Edmonton struggles and also why the coach and GM insist on enforcer types that can't play.

    In both cases it comes down to forwards that are allergic to physical play.

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  54. I offered my reasoning as to why Edmonton struggles and also why the coach and GM insist on enforcer types that can't play.

    Okay, allow me to offer my reason in retort: a curse has been placed on the team by an unicorn. Unless you're suddenly going to insist on evidence.

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  55. Are you sure it was by a unicorn ? I thought it was by Chris Pronger's wife ?

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  56. "Okay, allow me to offer my reason in retort: a curse has been placed on the team by an unicorn. Unless you're suddenly going to insist on evidence."

    That unicorn has been busy. He placed the same curse on the Sedin's against Boston in the SCF and also on Shawn Horcoff after he signed his contract extension.

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  57. Some good insight by Jason Gregor over at ON:

    "If Hartikainen slots in on the 4th line, it will be very difficult for him to make an impact and be a difference maker, although tonight might be a good night to start him on the 4th line. Tonight will be his third game in three nights, and fifth in seven so limiting his icetime might be a smart move for one game."

    This decision makes better sense to me now.

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  58. I think most of the time these kids run on adrenalin first game up.

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  59. Hey LT, Daron from Houston here. Got to see OKC Barons put a whoopin on our Aeros last night. Really fun to see Magnus Paajarvi, O'Marra, and some of the others you write about here live and in person. Just dropping a line to say keep up the good work, your site is truly appreciated by lots of folks from lots of locales. Many blessings and Happy New Year to you and yours.

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  60. Daron: Thanks very much! Please feel free to give your insight into these players, it always helps.

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  61. Harski had a month off. He did nothing but work core and lower body in that month. He doesn't need a soft landing.

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  62. Kinda feel bad for the slovaks. They got completely ass raped by the refs late and it was their undoing.

    Seeing the Marincin-Gernat pairing as the top Slovak defenders in all situations was great to see.

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  63. Is anyone else's tv feed horribly choppy?

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  64. Does anyone have a link for a good live stream?

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  65. Wow Devan...what was that??? Redirected or not that was horrible.

    He's not been good lately.

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  66. That was an awful goal against. Wow that was bad.

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  67. RNh hurt according to Gene's twitter. Yow.

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  68. Are goalies taught not to have their stick on the ice flat these days?

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  69. Jones may be the best forward on the Oilers this season!

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  70. Thanks for the link.

    No word yet on RNH from Stauffer.

    Hope Principe's tweet is not right.

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  71. If goalies have watched any video at all on Jones' breakaways, he's never going to score another. He's five-hole-obsessed.

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  72. Proper depressing when RNH gets injured in a meaningless(Oiler) game.

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  73. RNH not on the bench, back or hip have been tweeted as possibles.

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  74. Tambellini should trade for Toby Peterson so he can replace Belanger on the PP.

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  75. Just caught up on the PVR.

    Who hit Renney over the head and made lines that have balance and make sense?

    Great to see 83 and 89 together.

    Hope to see them together next year too.

    Almost optimal lines given the roster I think.

    Except for the muffin DD let in was a very entertaining period of hockey to watch.

    And a 4th line that doesn't suck!

    I like it!

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  76. Crap. Shoulder injury - RNH. Not returning.

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  77. Ladislav shoulda beat on Carcillo anyway. Who cares whether he can stand. That was a BS play.

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  78. I'd bet money Carcillo is dogging it to avoid suspension.

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  79. Ugly intent to injure by Carcillo. Better be a suspension.

    There's just no thought of maybe I might end someone's career if I do this?

    Gilbert hyrt - Hello last place.

    At a boy Smytty.

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  80. Great. RNH out and Gilbert clobbered by their head goon. Fail for Nail time?

    Let's get a few in this 5 minute penalty.

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  81. Losing RNH should really help make room for some of these great prospects we're supposed to have, without RNH around to hog ice time.

    If Gilbert's gone, yikes. make that double yikes.

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  82. Filthy by Carcillo, that will cost him. Smyth with the tally.

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  83. Maybe Eager should make himself useful and run Kieth through the end boards now.

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  84. Nice goal by Smyth.

    Carcillo is a piece of garbage. Has no respect for anyone in the league.

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  85. I'm not a fan of goonery, but Eager better beat the tar out of that clown Carcillo later on...

    He better get double the suspension that Sutton got.

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  86. Not Carcillo, Keith or Kane or Toews.

    An eye for an eye. Not an eye for a useless twit.

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  87. This game has moral victory written all over it.

    Fab goal by Hall.

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  88. the triple! missed call, goal, and going to the crowd. hilarious.

    we NEVER get those.

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  89. Shoulda got Teemu out for a quick shift on this PP. Gives your top guys a little rest and he may have scored the way he was going.

    Of course they allowed a goal right after the PP...

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  90. Nice deflection and it's tied.

    And that's he way it is for 2012 Oilers.

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  91. Eberle's hands should be protected with Titanium when he's not on the ice.

    His head too.

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  92. Andy freaking Sutton?

    You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.

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  93. Nice goal!

    Can't believe this crowd would boo a clean check by Lander after the thuggery the Hawks have performed tonight...

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  94. Okay, if Eberle gets two more assists tonight maybe he's the best Oiler this season.

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  95. Jordan Eberle could have put Chris Hajt in the Hall of Fame. Jeebus.

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  96. Petry has been awful on the PP tonight. Slow and nervous.

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  97. It's like LT once said....at some point early on, JC himself came down and touched 14s hockey stick.....atta boy Sutts.

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  98. Eberle just seems to slow the game down to make a play, great assist there. 22nd overall, what a steal.

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  99. "I hope it's not serious."

    -Captain Obvious

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  100. Dammit. There goes our only good defenseman.

    While I know Carcillo is going to have a lengthy suspension after his knee injury heals, it doesn't make up for it...

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  101. Gilbert and RNH out all but guarantees the lottery.

    Maybe even that vaunted 1st overall pick that Tambellini + co have a hard on for.

    No wonder they don't care when the players constantly get injured and run out of the rink.

    PS: Please, isn't there anyone who has something good to say about Dubnyk?

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  102. LT, how does the 2 goals on the 5min major figure into PP%. Is it 200%, so to speak?

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  103. Hopefully 77 is just bruised from the force of the collision.

    Wasn't limping too badly when he left.

    Hopefully Carcillo shredded his knee so bad he never skates again.

    Fucking asshole.

    Another downside is that if 77 misses any significant time v3.2 can use it as yet another excuse for his lack of ability to build a team outside of allowing MBS to call names in June.

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  104. Brown w/very strong comments on Carcillo.

    Be nice if Shanny sees it the same way.

    If Gilbert is out for any length of time we are absolutely screwed.

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  105. Jake: I believe it would count as 2 goals in one opportunity. NHL does several calculations, including PP% based on the number of PP and PP minutes/goals.

    So it would be one chance. Anyone who knows better please feel free to correct me.

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  106. 1 - play like shit against the Islanders, one of the very few NHL teams as bad as the Oilers.

    2 - be able to drag the level of play down against a contending team next game, thus remaining in the game until the 3rd period and possibly longer.

    Yup, it's the California Golden Seals 2.0.

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  107. Tambellini did hire Todd Nelson, who has OKC in first place, and most everyone whose come up, since he's been coach has looked like they have a clue, unlike the Springfield days.

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  108. Tom Gilbert knee injury... oh Crap!

    Too bad we have the line up and depth on defense to handle an injury to Gilbert....right Tambo!?! FUCK!

    I think it is fate for the Oilers to be a lottery team again, right after the GM's comments in the paper we lose two important players....hmm...

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  109. Ah Woodguy that's funny. I hope his knee is so fucked his grandkids never skate. You sound like me (Rider fan) watching Esks vs Stamps. Let's go injuries!!!

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  110. Very entertaining game to watch. The pace is great! It's too bad all of the games can't be like this.

    It could really do without the injuries, of course.

    Somehow the Oilers are ahead in the faceoff department against one of the best teams in the league so far.

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  111. It really did look like Carcillo was faking the injury after the hit. I'll be surprised if he did something serious.

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  112. If they'd played half this well in MIN and NYC this trip might be different.

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  113. That prick Carcillo's right leg got caught under 77 and it looks like it twisted pretty good.

    77's right knee twisted too, but not as bad as Asshole's did.

    Knee injuries on skate are funny though, something that looks small can shred an ACL.

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  114. That's the thing the concerns me w/77. The most innocent looking play can result in an ACL or MCL and it's good night season.

    Hopefully they don't say he needs an MRI - then I'll breathe easier.

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  115. Horcoff hurt now and Smid just dropped.

    And Ben Eager scored. Take me now Lord

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  116. Unreal game.

    Who else needs to score for this to be a sign of end?

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  117. Muffin for muffin I guess.

    Crawford might keep CHI out of the SCF.

    By my eye 4-89-83 have outchanced Hossa's line.

    That's one of the best lines in hockey.

    You don't get rid of players who can do that and many want to get rid of 89 and 83.

    I hope 10 didn't re-injure his shoulder.

    Man this game is costly.

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  118. Why is 28 with 89/4?

    God, us 83 hurt?

    10 back.

    w

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  119. Horcov is back.

    DD is stopping pucks just by standing still. A lesson to be learned there.

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  120. Best line since Horcoff and the pastry chef.

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  121. Not upset at some small measure of retaliation on Toews, but a double minor against Dubnyk doesn't bode well.

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  122. Lol, the Chicago feed color guy just said these Edmonton Oiler defense are underrated, hope Tambellini isn't listening.

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  123. Bet they don't think our defense is underrated now.

    Nice job leaving 2 Hawks alone in the crease.

    Great, now another PK...

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  124. What the hell was Dubnyk doing on that goal? I think he thought he had the puck covered?? Brutal.

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  125. Jesus Jones, really?

    Man, they better not let this slip away.

    They've worked so hard.

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  126. I thought I misheard it the first time, but now I'm sure the Chicago play-by-play referred to Edmonton as 'Earlers'.

    What's with that?

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  127. Dubnyk has been beyond poor and the entire team is in the whirlpool. A win would be nice.

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  128. Foley's been calling us that a long time.

    Can't blame Hemmer for that, after some of the cheap shots tonight.

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  129. Hemsky protecting his shoulder and his career on that icing play.

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  130. Nice win. Hopefully we can build on that, if we can ice more than 4 defensemen tomorrow night in Buffalo

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  131. Fun game. Always wonderful to beat the Hawks, who can worry about something like whether the Oilers ever get really good then thrash them in the playoffs year after year.

    But not with most of these players.

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  132. Work will hurt tomorrow but glad I finally stayed up for a game. props to logical for the link and the blackhawks announcers for not been total homers and enjoyable to listen to.

    Gut check win! Here's hoping the injury cost was not too high.

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  133. So apparently it wasn't all Petrell's fault that the PK was so good. Huh.

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  134. Why not stop a 7 game slid against one of the best in NHL when losing your best D and Calder Candidate?

    That's what balanced lines do for you.

    That's what a non-horrible 4th line does.

    Hall wanted it all night, and he plays well with 89 and 83.

    I hope Renney leaves that line together.

    I hope Carcillo takes out v3.2 in the back hall, concusses him, and he wakes up thinking he's Bill Torrey and he doesn't trade Hemksy.

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  135. Well said Woodguy.

    Particularly about the balanced lines, and especially on the road. Why it takes Renney this long to go back to it is beyond me.

    Just hoping RNH and Gilbert aren't out long.

    Chabot says Khabi starts tomorrow. Yes-keen grasp of the obvious.

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  136. And to think I always wanted to be a fan of Mayan basketball - Oilers are about as close a version as I can think of in professional sports - except it's injuries that are seemingly inevitable, and not having the losing captain beheaded.

    I've finally found the secret of the Oilers front office - they're all Scientologists.

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  137. Hemksy, Hall and Gagner's most common opponents tonigt:

    Leddy
    Toews
    Hjalmarsson
    Hossa

    Keith
    Seabrook

    As I said earlier, by my eye, they out-chanced Toews/Hossa.

    Do not trade 89 and 83.

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  138. Woodguy:

    Imagine if the Oilers were to back tonight's top six of 94-93-14, 4-89-83 with lines like these:

    Paajarvi-Horcoff-Jones
    Lander-Belanger-Hartikainen

    Wouldn't that imply lineup with excellent depth and balance, albeit a bit young?

    I'd love to see it sometime soon...

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  139. Dennis had the chances at 18-18 tonight.

    Oilers with a 12-11 edge 5v5

    Oiler with 6-2 edge when they had power play

    Hawks 5-0 when they had a power play

    Hall 5-4
    Hemsky 4-5
    Gagner 7-3

    Well done.

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  140. Hbomb,

    Funny, your lines look a lot like the ones we were all hoping for out of training camp.

    What took Renney so long?

    I like this:

    4-89-83
    94-93-14
    91-10-23
    58-20-28

    Now all the Oilers need is a GM who understands they need a pile of Real NHL Dmen and another goalie.

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  141. 10 did wonders for 4 and 14 last year.

    He could do the same for 91 and 23.

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  142. Woodguy:

    He's already done wonders this season for 28, so why not 23 and 91? Or, if Omark is trade-bait for D-improvement, maybe Lander and Paajarvi as his wingers? Either way works for me.

    Speaking of 28, however, Jones made a pretty dumb play with about a minute left and throwing the puck into the middle. I don't mention this to knock the guy though - I think I can count on one hand the number of outright brain-cramp style plays the guy has made this year, or at least ones where I've swore when I saw it happened (I know, mistakes happen more often and all that...)

    The fact he's improved in his own zone matters a lot more than the 12 goals so far this season. Of this I have zero doubt. Because when he does have a year where the shooting percentage goes the other way, if he's playing sound hockey in his own end, he'll remain a useful player by being able to take care of the defensive end of things.

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  143. Mark Spector Sports

    SportsnetSpec Mark Spector Sports
    Horcoff came back and played, He's OK. RNH leaves United Center in a sling.
    41 minutes ago

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  144. Mark Spector Sports

    SportsnetSpec Mark Spector Sports
    For the record, Renney was asked about Hemsky pulling chute in puck race. He did not comment, but look on his face spoke volumes. #disbelief
    42 minutes ago

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  145. I like this:

    4-89-83
    94-93-14
    91-10-23
    58-20-28


    I like those lines too, except I'd probably move Petry back to defence and put Hartikainen on that line ;)

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  146. Spector never passes up a chance to shit talk Hemsky.

    Hbomb,

    He's improved a lot, but I'm not a true believer just yet. I saw that too, good thing the CHI Dman bobbled it and it snuck out.

    Noodles,

    Oops.

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  147. Louise taking it to Tencer..Haha, damn. Good stuff.

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  148. what did Louise say to Tencer?

    Not much discussion today here on Finland vs Slovakia. I watched most of the game. I bet Marincin played 30 minutes. He mostly just makes excellent plays. He did have three sequences however where the Fins scored where his defence partner, once Gernat, twice someone else, got beat and Marincin had a hard time deciding between taking the man with the puck or the Finnish teammate that had been Marincin's responsibility before his own teammate was beat. In that split second the Fin went in all three times on the goalie and scored with Marincin merely waving his stick at the Fin. I am not sure what he should have done as he was covering his own man.Is he supposed to go for the guy who beat his teammate and is going in on a partial breakaway? Becase if he does it is an easy pass for an almost empty netter to the player Marincin was originally covering. I think the text book d is take the pass/teammate away, let the goalie cover the puck carrier...well the puck carrier scored three times that way.

    As for Gernat, he looked pretty good in this game as well. Against Sweden I thought he got beat more often.

    The Slovaks were losing 6-4 with ten minutes to go in the third and they almost scored on a pp to make it 6-5 when they took a penalty. A few seconds into the penalty a Slovak player took a boarding penalty for 5 minutes giving the Fins almost a 2 minute 5-3 on which they scored, then scored on the 5-4 to make it 8-4.

    I would welcome other comments on that game please, and comments on Marincin/Gernat overall in this tourney from any of you.

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  149. She had called in to the radio show after the game. Tencer was ragging on Hemsky for a while and Louise let him have it.

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  150. just watched the last two minutes over again to see what Tencer was going off about...Hemsky had been on the ice for 1.30 when he raced for that icing play. He was clearly winded as he skated to the bench afterwards.

    That being said, he seems to be out of synch a tad and is an inch away from making the play he wants to make, including losing that icing battle it looks to me like he thought he won as he pulled up a bit going into the corner. partially exhausted, partially not wanting to hurt his shoulder,,,

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  151. Hemsky: 0 pts, 2 shots, -2

    Hopefully some advanced stats show he is of some use.

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  152. @LT: Oilers went 2 for 3 on that 5 minute powerplay. Every time you score on a major that's 1-for-1 and you start a new powerplay. Thus the PP always ends in failure. Such is Bettman math, would you expect it to be logical FFS?

    Meanwhile, our "beyond poor" goalie faced 23 shots in the third and stopped 22 of them to win by one. Just sayin'.

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  153. Hemsky had some nice plays during the game. He had a really nice rush from the boards, maybe it was in the 2nd period. But that icing at the end of the 3rd was awful.

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  154. I wasn't sure if this was the time or place to post our junior scouting reports but since oilersfan broke the ice I might as well jump in:
    I saw Russia-Czech today. Russia absolutely dominated the first; after twenty minutes I was terrified of Kuznetsev and really impressed with the entire team. Musil looked to be exactly his scouting report, neither more nor less, but whoever on here noticed that he skates pretty wide-legged: I completely agree with you.
    After the first, however,... I don't know what happened to Russia, but they lost the edge. The still managed 44 shots so I wouldn't say Czech shut 'em down, but I ma no longer terrified. Their best player was the new number 8, Gusev; Nail had some moves but wasn't dominant and I had to check the boxscore to be sure Grig even played. As far as our boy Musil- it's hardly damning to say you don't notice a defensive defenceman, but I was looking for him. Most of the nice plays on the blueline were made by some undrafted dude named Vojtech Mozik. I didn't see Musil make any bad plays, I just didn't see much of him at all. Like we said though, he's the kind of player that's not such a bad thing for.

    The goaltending was outstanding. Some Fuhr-like glove work was worth the drive south. Canada would be well advised not to take too many penalties against Russia, but if the officials are as excellent as they were in this game, I wouldn't worr too much. Good thing too, I hear they were awful in the Finn-Slovak match.

    Word ver: exted. What Ted became after he ran down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile.

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  155. Hemsky: 0 pts, 2 shots, -2

    Hopefully some advanced stats show he is of some use.


    His line out chanced Towes and Hossa, no mean feat.

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  156. Yeah Bruce - Dubnyk was garbage tonight - stopping only 39 of 42 (including 22 of 23 in the 3rd) for a crappy .929 and a win against the one of the best team in the league. Total junk ;) Happy to see him stuff some crow down a few people's throat tonight after the tough start. But seriously - they need to play this kid regularly so that he develops consistency - that's what he needs to develop - NK should be the backup playing 1 of 3 from here on.

    As for RNH - he's a skinny kid playing for money against large angry grown men. Can't say I'm surprised and hope it's not serious. The Oilers really need to let him take as much time as he needs to be 100% before he sees ice again - then add a couple more games on the sidelines to be sure.

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  157. Bruce, interesting on the powerplay percentage (I had asked LT the question earlier). So the only way to have 100% pp on a 5min major is to score as the last second is literally ticking off the penalty. Bizarre.

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  158. Josh Green and Tuebert called up from OKC.

    Josh Gorges named captain of Habs.

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  159. As for RNH - he's a skinny kid playing for money against large angry grown men.

    He caught a rut in the ice and hit the boards akwardly with hus left shoulder.

    The ice had no comment, so I'm not sure it was angry.

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  160. The Oilers should have a big sign above their head offices....SHOULDERS ARE US ... accepting all orthopods specializing in shoulder injury.

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  161. @Woodguy: yeah, but those boards are way harder in the NHL. Much less forgiving. (As are some of the fans, but that's another matter entirely.)

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  162. @Ducey: Actually Hemsky had 0 shots, and 0 attempted shots.

    He did have a few nice dishes, though, but on the whole it wasn't his best work. A bad penalty, some defensive lapses, and a ninth game without a point. That last has to end tonight, surely.

    @Jake70: Yeah, I think if the team scored in the 300th second of a five-minute major they would be "perfect", even if it was only 1-for-1. Whereas the way it's set up now you could score 10 goals and wind up 10-for-11.

    Yet another reason why stats measured in actual PP time rather than "opportunities" is probably the better metric.

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  163. Point being he's small and relatively weak and will be prone to injury until he bulks up - he's a slippery little bugger but he'll get pasted eventually this year and I hope the shoulder is 100% when that happens.

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