Friday, November 11, 2011

G16 Oilers at Red Wings

Playing against the Red Wings hasn't been a fun activity over the years. Bill Gadsby (in photo) was an effective defender in his era, and the man Lidstrom is effective in his own way in the modern era. Lidstrom--whose reputation rivals DiMaggio's in his time--and other important Red Wing players have a major issue to deal with--age.

When I was young, Detroit was a clearing house for the old and the done. In this photo, Gerry Cheevers and former Ranger great Eddie Giacomin are in conversation. Detroit had more grey hair than anyone in the league during the early 1970s, but they still weren't much good at hockey.
This is a typical photo from about 40 years ago. Red Wings give up a goal, Guy Lafleur (in helmet) celebrates and veterans (and recent teammates, Mahovlich would have been traded to Montreal by the Red Wings earlier in the season) Gordie Howe and Frank Mahovlich acknowledge each other briefly after the crime.

Howe would retire at the end of the season, his storied career filled with Stanley's in youth but disappointment in the 60s and 70s. Mahovlich, part of several Stanley teams in Toronto, would catch fire again in Montreal and bring home more rings. Howe would return to the game, and retire two years after the Big M.

Sometimes I come across unusual photos online when searching for hockey items. This is a photo from the 1960 Detroit Auto Show. I would love to know the back story, suspect it was some kind of Red Skelton-style skit.

I can't wait until Taylor Hall gets the swagger back. He's not in that unreal zone yet, but even with that has 10 points in 15 games. Hall is on track to match his offense from a year ago, but hasn't kicked out the jams yet this season. He's going to break out one of these nights, maybe tonight. A year ago, Edmonton visited Detroit on November 11. The themes in the comments section were:
  • MVP was DOA
  • They had no real option for penalty killers and it showed
  • Without Horcoff it's a train wreck.
  • Without Hemsky it's an unwatchable disaster.
A year later and things are much better. The Wings are a little older, the Oilers are better in several disciplines. The Oilers lost to a better team last night, but if you take out Eager and Barker (and if Renney is serious about winning that's what he'll do. UPDATE: I wrote this early and then posted late, both Barker and Eager are out tonight) then they have a shot at grabbing a road point late.
One other thing: I'm amazed that so few msm have picked up on Smyth's season. He's absolutely ripping it people. Here are Smyth's ev numbers a year ago compared to today:
  • Smyth last year: 82, 14-19-33 .402
  • Smyth this year: 15, 7-6-13 .867
Wow. That's incredible. The 2nd place Oiler at evens currently is a tie between RNH and Eberle (7 points) and that's a distant bell. Smyth is playing at an insane level and I haven't read a thing about it. What's the phrase they use on MNF? Come on, man! Ryan Smyth is superfreak right now. And according to Desjardins he's pretty damn impressive league wide:

Ryan Smyth is having an outstanding year. Can anyone argue that? And here's another thing: How many of the guys ahead of him on this list play the kind of uphill game Smyth does on this team? Zone starts, toughness of opposition, miles and miles of special teams and not just the cherry PP minutes.

I can't imagine the Oilers are going to be able to ride Smyth all season as they are doing now. The kid line needs to step up on the road. Perhaps tonight.

118 comments:

  1. So i hope it's not Belanger with MPS and Gagner. I hope the lines shake out like this

    Jones-Belanger-Petrell
    MPS-Lander-Gagner

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  2. Wrt the trapping discussion yesterday, Kerry Fraser had a little piece up this morning:
    http://tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=380181

    In short, there is already a rule in place that the team with the puck is obliged to advance it, the gig should have been whistled down in 10s and if repeated would result in a delay of game.

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  3. @LT

    From Scott Cullen at TSN:

    YOU CAN GO HOME AGAIN
    When 35-year-old Ryan Smyth decided that he wanted to be traded back to the Edmonton Oilers in the offseason, after spending four-plus seasons with three other organizations, it didn't really cause a big fuss (aside from the fiasco of sending a healthy player to Los Angeles to make the deal work).

    It's not that Ryan Smyth couldn't be a useful player, but there is only so much appeal for a left winger in his mid-30s coming off a 47-point season. Besides, the Oilers are all about youth now and the next generation stars that they've drafted in recent years.

    Apparently Smyth didn't get the memo that he's finished because he's now the Oilers' leading scorer, with 16 points in 15 games, after scoring 11 points on his current six-game point streak.

    Is he due to regress? Of course. Smyth, somewhat notorious for having one of the worst shots in the game, has scored on 22.5% of his shots this season, which is nearly double what his career average has been, and his shot differential per 60 minutes (via www.behindthenet.ca) is an unsightly minus-10.9.

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  4. DBO:

    4-93-14
    94-10-83
    91-57-89 (I would have 23 here)
    28-20-37

    Gagner would be in the pressbox if Omark wasn't in OKC, in my imaginary line-up.

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  5. Depressing to see Gagner played out of position again.

    Impressive to see Smyth leading the team. He can't keep it up, and heaven help the team when he can't from the look of it.

    Are there any stylistic comparables between RNH/Hall, and Ted Lindsay/Howe?

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  6. I think it's obvious that Smyth would be getting more ink if Khabby wasn't stealing the show.

    What Khabby is doing to this point of the season isn't just amazing, but historic. I read somewhere that his numbers through his first 9 starts are better than any goalie in the expansion era. Lofty. Especially for a 38 year old coming off one of the worst seasons of his career.

    I'm not saying that I don't agree that the team is riding Smyth as much as the goalie, but he'd have to have 30 points through 15 games for it to be as big a story as Khabby.

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  7. Are there any stylistic comparables between RNH/Hall, and Ted Lindsay/Howe?

    Hunter: Lindsay and Howe were 2 of the toughest guys in all of hockey. So no.

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  8. LT: Good points about Smytty in the post. He played 22 minutes last night, more than any defenceman even, and his energy level is unreal. He's clearly been Oilers' best skater in the last few games, and arguably season to date. (Gilbert is also high on my list in this category)

    Ironic to see Kessel-Seguin as 1-2 on any league-wide list. Will be interesting when Dougie Hamilton joins the discussion.

    As for Bill Gadsby, I think of him and the afore-mentioned Ted Lindsay as two guys whose faces consisted of nothing but scar tissue. But in both cases, the motto was: you should have seen the other guy(s)! Tough as nails, both of them.

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  9. Bruce: My father in law swore Lindsay was the best LW in his lifetime. Must have been something.

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  10. Gordie Howe was a perennial top 5 scorer in the league and as a fighter he was a destroyer of worlds. As unique then as he would be today. Only comparable I can think of is if Ovechkin was best fighter in the league (course if he was, how much more space would he get) Lindsay was one of the dirtiest players of his era. He knew how to use his stick for purposes other than scoring.


    So, no. Hall and RNH are not like Lindsay and Howe

    Very very impressed with RNH though

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  11. To put Howe into context at age 49 he scored 34 goals 62 helpers and lead the NE Whalers in scoring in WHA and was 4th on his team in Pims. And outscored his 22 year old son Mark who was a very good player by 5 points.

    12 years older than his teammates that year : Dave Keon

    Simply Astonishing!!

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  12. It is only a matter of time before Hall starts to get on a roll--he's just too good not to. ATM he seems to be trying hard to beat d-men 1 on 2 (though I'm sure we'll see a few work this year) as well as peel-off ridiculously hard wristers. Maybe a quicker release instead of a heavy-wrister would be more beneficial?

    ackfack: nothing can be added or subtracted to this beauty word.

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  13. Wings S/G = 35.9 (2nd)
    Oilers S/G = 25.5 (28th)

    Wings SA/G = 26(1st)
    Oilers SA/G = 28.9(10th)

    These aren't the 07/08 Wings, but I'd say the key to the game is NK again if the Wings are going to outshoot the Oilers by 10 shots.

    Get 6 and Linus back and suddenly the lineup is as good as Renney can make it look on the white board. Of course 2 D-men will go down tonight and the lineup goes into the toilet again.

    A few of the bounces last night made me think the Hockey Gods are back from vacation.

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  14. Might be getting a little aead of things here but if 94 keeps this up (or anything close to this pace), how do you approach his next contract in terms of dollars and term?

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  15. Really appreciating watching Smyth put in those goals in close. Again both goals last night right around the crease. A goal in close should be nick-named a "Smytty".

    Appreciate him gentlemen. He's 35. He won't be around forever.

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  16. @SK Oiler fan: That bounce on Seguin's "goal" was just farkin' ridiculous. I watched a few replays and the sequence was at follows:

    Seguin shoots
    Puck hits Barker's skate, misses short side
    Puck hits end boards, catapults into crease
    Puck hits Dubnyk's pad, nearly goes over line
    Puck gets fished off line in emergency clearance by Gilbert
    Puck hits Potters left skate,
    Puck hits Potter's right skate and flies into top corner as if he were Lionel Messi or something

    Which is six (6) redirections of the puck after the initial failed shot, including no fewer than 3 separate deflections off of Potter's skates.

    If the goal was scored based on last 3 players to touch the puck regardless of team, Seguin wouldn't even have gotten an assist on the play!

    Instead, fawning Boston media anoints him First Star/Saviour in what I thought was a fairly average game by him.

    This after Three failed attempts by Hemsky to move the same puck earlier in the sequence. It was like the damn puck had anti-magnetic powers.

    From an Oilers perspective, that's half of season's worth of bad bounces on one play. Yowsa.

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  17. @Unknown: From three feet and in, Smytty's got a better shooting percentage than Phil Mickelson.

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  18. Bruce, did that puck hit Governor Connelly at some point?

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  19. LOL, that's good Bruce. I'm a golf nut so I can really appreciate that one. Funny thing is, Smytty could be using a putter on most of his goals and it wouldn't matter.

    Most people say Hemsky is worth the price of admission, but this year for me it's been Smytty. Normally when the puck is on the boards the play stalls and the entertainment value decreases. I just marvel at Smytty's awareness along the boards - where to place the puck, when to chip it away, when to put it in his skates etc.

    Eberle and Hall have it to. The ability to stay balanced while being bounced off the boards and cross checked by a D-man that outweighs you by 25 lbs and still come away with the puck under control without falling on your ass is rare and under valued IMO.

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  20. There's a recent movie that I can't think of the title - it's story is based on fate and the farfetched idea that there are god like people that we can't see that control the happenings of the world because there is a script to be followed. Of course there's a love story in it where two people aren't supposed to be together, but the guy breaks all the rules to be with the woman.

    That goal reminded me of that movie. If anybody knows the title of that movie please let me know!

    Gilbert's reaction after the goal was priceless as well. He had the potential game saving play for about 0.8 seconds.

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  21. Are you thinking of the Adjustment Bureau with Matt Damon?

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  22. Oilers Nation has an expected lineup. They have Magnus just taking Eager's spot, no other changes up front

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  23. Ryan's -11/60 shot differential means what, exactly?

    It's about 4 shots per game with Ryan on the ice. With a 0.960 save percentage behind him, that's 0.16 goals per game, or about 13 goals per season--if historic conditions impersonate climate change. He's contributing at the other end of the ice at better than PPG pace, scoring half those goals himself.

    Let's suppose that Ryan could dial in for a defensive posture and cut that ghastly shot differential in half, saving 0.08 goals per game on the defensive side. If it costs him 0.08 PPG on the offensive side (it almost certainly would) he's making a bad strategic trade.

    When his stick goes cold and the Bulin wall crumbles, he can skate around mending his ghastly shot differential while the team loses anyway.

    Isn't the whole point of a veteran the ability to judge which trade-off is driving wins at any given moment? He'll find ways to contribute during adversity, too. If he were able to simultaneously drive every arrow in a positive direction while playing with Jones, he'd be the second coming of Sidney Crosby.

    The thing about Khabi's historic save percentage in that we're in uncharted statistical waters relative to established norms. You have to make hay while the sun shines. Other statistics will fall back into line again after the first monsoon.

    I guess the monsoon factor driving bad statistics back toward the mean is counter-intuitive for most people. When you win, you assert strength. When you lose, you run around plugging the worst leaks, hoping the one you chose was the right one. When you're winning, the only statistic that matters is W. Sure, you don't want to cultivate an Irish potato famine by becoming too single tracked in the pursuit of W, but I have a feeling this team is a long way yet from forgetting how to tighten belts and poach waterbugs.

    Khabi is playing great, but the use of the word historic isn't an apt assessment of his performance level. The loser point and the CBA both conspire toward far more emphasis on careful defensive play. Goalie records are low hanging fruit in the present era.

    The Nuglets seem to be treading water thrown into the depths: shutdown defensive pairs in hostile barns. It's their fate that this soon becomes a regular day at the office. The favorable zone starts are modest compensation for a skinny underage center leaking in the dot. His quickness and finesse will probably get him closer to mid forties as he gains experience, and then he'll be blocked on strength for several seasons.

    It's a hard team to assess right now. I think if they can play out the season without learning bad habits at home, they are probably a bubble team heading into spring.

    Next year a little more success on the road could carry them over the bar. They could even pull it off this year, if fate permits them to ignore a ghastly arrow or two.

    Gaping statistical wounds are a whole different matter in the second season. It's not until the transition from good to great that closing the door on weakness matters as much as collecting the regular season W. First you have to win, then you have to win the right way.

    If Ryan's stats sheet looks like a dog's breakfast while we're racking up wins, good on Ryan for grabbing the bull when it wasn't looking.

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  24. @Jake70: Haha, no, but I think Connally's ghost may have propelled it into the top corner.

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  25. Has Bub Slug ever actually scored a goal by shooting the puck?

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  26. Bruce, I heard they found that puck later on last night at Massachusett's General Hospital on a stretcher....(ok, I'll stop there, can hear the groans)

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  27. Lowetide: with regards to your comment regarding your father-in-law talking about Lindsay as the best LW he ever say, that offers a nice transition to what I'm thinking about going into the first of four games against the Wings this season.

    Nicklas Lidstrom - without question, the best defenseman I've had the pleasure of watching in my almost-30 years on this planet. And in spite of the greatness of the likes of Coffey, Bourque, Pronger, Niedermayer, Stevens and (the horrifically underrated) Sergei Zubov....it's not even close. I've made a point of having tickets to both Oiler/Wing games at Rexall this year with the knowledge these might be the last two opportunities we have to see the Detroit captain in action (save an Oiler/Wing playoff series this spring or Lidstrom deciding on "one more year" in 12-13).

    Meanwhile, something subtle from last game, and I'm wondering if LT, Bruce, Dennis or anyone else caught this. There were about 3-4 occasions where RNH went into the corner with big, bad Zdeno Chara. Each time, I was thinking to myself, "oh lord, this isn't going to end well", and each time, Nugent-Hopkins made a subtle little move to avoid taking significant body contact. Between that sort of thing and the fact he's starting to show some serious finish on his wrist shot, it is taking serious effort not to think about some other center that calls Burnaby, BC home....

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  28. Best Howe story I ever heard came from an interview he did in the late 90's.

    " Gordie, If you were playing in todays NHL how many goals do you think you'd put up in a season?"

    "Probably 15 or so"

    "Excuse me? You were one of the best that ever played the game. Five seasons with more than 40 goals. 801 total. Only 15 or so?

    "Well I'm almost 70 years old."


    Some more classics from the man

    on what he liked best about Mario Lemieux

    "His paycheque"

    asked if he ever broke his nose during a hockey game

    "No, but eleven other guys did."

    When asked why players always wear a cup, but not always a helmet

    "You can always get someone to do your thinking for you."

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  29. Making my almost-annual trip down to Joe Louis tonight and I can't believe I'm actually happy to see Khabibulin starting. The Oilers usually show well, by my memory, so I think they can keep things close (though I have no statistical evidence to back this up).

    Hopefully Renney will be willing to play MP up the lineup a bit more. He's got to get over his focus of sticking Belanger on the 3rd line to make that happen though.

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  30. I am not going to lie, it is getting very hard to not speak about RNH and avoid using hyperbole. The kid is just a pleasure to watch and so far has managed to mitigate almost all of the concerns about his game heading into this season.

    I know everyone kept talking about his size being a detriment to his game, but maybe it time we start talking about how much better he will be once he has the additional weapon of a fully grown body at his disposal.

    RNH is scary good and he is still just 18. Imagine how good that line will be once Taylor finds the next level again this season.

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  31. Wanye, yes thanks. Decent movie, but it was out there for sure.

    I see Zetterburg only has 5 points. He'll get 3 tonight.

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  32. Haven't even seen the movie so I wouldn't know eh.

    Zetterberg probably isn't playing tonight according to Brownlee at ON, so that could be a good thing for us :)

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  33. but maybe it time we start talking about how much better he will be once he has the additional weapon of a fully grown body at his disposal.

    Hall looks forward to the day RNH creates space for hall to follow and get easy goals.

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  34. There's a lot of junk in the trunk...of that car;0

    HB: can't express just how impressed - you're welcome aspiring rappers! - i am by young 93. I said last night on Twitter that as long as he's able to get stronger, he should be a great defensive player. Right now he's already smart and dedicated enough so as soon as he gets heavier, he should be outstanding two-ways.

    On 4: I have to say I'm disappointed early on. Maybe it's because I was always a guy who said to take the big RH pivot in Seguin or maybe it's because Renney's doing everything's zone start and matchup wise to assure the kids success but 4 isn't close, at least by the eye, to being the kind of player he was last year pre-Dorsett fight.

    I see 91's in for 55 and playing with 57-37 on the 4th line. The third line continues to be a mess and if 20-89 can't click - and there's no reason to believe they will or can - then we're in for a long season looking for road balance.

    It seems like Renney's playing a game of chicken; know he has some capital built up from such a strong start.

    He's giving the kids every chance to succeed but at some point he's gonna have to mix those two lines up with some vets and move 89 back to the middle and give him a talented and/or experienced linemate as well; 91 can't drive any buses at this point.

    I'm hoping that Renney has some kind of plan in place tonight to sub in 89 on 91-57's line and put 37 down with 28-20. I just wonder how much was promised 20 - a point made by someone else a few days ago - and how that's affecting the lineup decisions.

    Oilers are a poor road team with warts easily visible and the current line combinations can't stand if that's to change.

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  35. Dennis - with regards to Hall, he looks like he's fighting the puck a bit, which to my eye is a product of trying to do too much on his own. As he learns, he'll get the hang of using his line-mates better.

    Eberle seems to have the opposite problem at times, in that he's trying to make a pass when there's an opportunity to shoot.

    I'm not particularly concerned, these two will find a groove sooner or later. I think Hall is just turning 20 this week, and Eberle is still 21. I'm the guy willing to give Gagner plenty of rope at age 22, so I think it's prudent to have all the patience in the world for these two.

    But RNH...the guy is way more than we could have reasonably expected already. It's nuts. There's 2-3 plays per night where the Datsyuk comparison that Hitchcock made, you can see why he made it. Like I said before, it's hard not to get excited, especially considering the city he's from and the obvious comparison to Sakic that is tempting to make (and nobody holds Burnaby Joe in higher regard than I do...trust me on this).

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  36. Omark: "I like playing here. If I'm going to play in the AHL, I want to play here."

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  37. HBomb: I'm at a point where trying to peg RNH is a non-starter. He can't play goal.

    After that, I'm wait and see. He hasn't done anything to make me think the Oilers made an error.

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  38. Omark: "I like playing here. If I'm going to play in the AHL, I want to play here."

    Hopefully he was in OKC at the time

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  39. //Maybe it's because I was always a guy who said to take the big RH pivot in Seguin or maybe it's because Renney's doing everything's zone start and matchup wise to assure the kids success but 4 isn't close, at least by the eye, to being the kind of player he was last year pre-Dorsett fight.//

    1) But Seguin isn't a big RH pivot at the moment. He is just a winger, like Hall. Boston may never allow him to learn to play the centre position at the NHL level.

    2) Hall had a slow start last year. His start this year is much better, and he is coming off probably the longest layoff away from hockey in his life.

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  40. There's 2-3 plays per night where the Datsyuk comparison that Hitchcock made, you can see why he made it.

    Well since we're playing Detroit I'll mention a comp I've had in mind for a while that I let slip on Twitter today - Igor Larionov. He wasn't the biggest guy on the ice either, but he was usually the smartest.

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  41. LT: As for not playing goal did you see the stop he made with the netminder pulled vs. Phoenix the other night?

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  42. That bounce on Seguin's "goal" was just farkin' ridiculous

    Thats one magic loogie

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  43. Bruce: there's a reason they called Larionov "the professor". The guy came to the NHL well after his best days playing in Russia, but the skill-set was still evident.

    Lowetide: I was luke-warm on RNH at first, but I think he's proof so far that the lack of information you've brought up regarding time-on-ice in the CHL gave us a limited picture leading up to draft day. When I saw him last year, he was impressive, but some of the numbers were underwhelming. The facts that came out later regarding Red Deer rolling four lines and playing a defensive style offered an explanation for that. With this kid, the sky is the limit and he might end up being the best out of the young bunch, which considering the upside of his current LW is impressive indeed.

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  44. Interesting story there from Spec on the 94 draft and Bonsignore and Smyth.

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  45. Bruce, I really enjoyed your Hemmer piece. It aligns with my own perceptions, which I've begun to voice, that his brilliance is tough on the opponents, while his inconsistency is tough on his teammates.

    With more talent around him, he needs to learn how to play the consistency game, and bring out the heavy guns of ragging the puck when the game situation demands it. A game breaker is a beautiful thing. Hemmer is a beautiful thing. Diamonds are both hard and bright. There's a time for hard, and a time for bright.

    For some reason I feel far more optimistic about the game tonight, even knowing the end of the 3rd will be a gong show of tired legs and tired minds.

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  46. The SN Preview show. You might've heard the story before but Spector said that when Lorne Davis was told by Sather he was taking Bonsignore at 4, Davis threatened to quit if Smyth wasn't available/taken at 6.

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  47. WTF, 89 is 0 for 3 in shots from 15 ft out with a total miss distance of 15 ft.

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  48. If Smid scores I'm gonna yell so loud it'll wake up our neighbour countries.

    Aww crap, pinball goal.

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  49. Hockey gods are not happy with the Oilers.

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  50. spOILer: Hadn't heard that, thanks.

    As for the GA, I think Gilbert deserves the goat horns but he did lead Petry on the soft up and 58 didn't recognize it in time.

    So, 77's bad on that play but Smid wouldn't picked it up imo.

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  51. Also; Smid might be the LW of the future for Hemsky!

    *Cough*

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  52. I'm gonna yell so loud it'll wake up our neighbour countries.

    The U.S. and... who?

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  53. Not good. The defense is starting to slip and Horcoff is losing all the important draws

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  55. France and Greenland too. They're close enough. Maybe even throw in Mother Russia if it's a pretty play.

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  56. Well that was the Oilers of the last 5 years toward the end of the period. Completely bewitched by the puck and chasing for miles.

    Khabibulin isn't the same guy. Seriously.

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  57. LT: he looks creepily calm in there. He mentioned last week his back is finally healthy. as a guy with long history of back injuries I can attest that when it feels good everything is right in the world. The issue with back injuries, they are never gone, so I'm happy they are not riding him non stop.

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  58. Pretty much your expected first period- oilers have some nice moments on the forecheck, but the second they make a bad pass and a turnover the red wings are all over it. The defense seems to be leaking a bit- Peckham we knew about, but the Petry/Gilbert breakdown was unacceptable.

    Should be an interesting second period- you're tired, you're near the end of a long road trip, and you're own needlessly careless play has led you to be down 1-0 already. Do you keep plugging away and work hard to avoid the next game crushing turnover? Can you have the patience to remain disciplined?

    The last 5 minutes of the first we're not a good omen. We'll see though.

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  59. I have no idea why Petry is playing on Gilbert's port side.

    Khabby has been worth every penny of his contract this year.

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  60. SpOILer:

    Khabi is earning Lougno type dollars this year

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  61. Anybody else notice Hemsky's shots have been very weak tonight.

    Shoulder again?

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  62. Thst one'd on Peckham. Soft on the puck.

    Sure feels like a losing streak is coming. Oilers need to make some adjustments real quick

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  63. Good for Petrell,.

    How is that not interference???

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  64. Well they haven't had a good game since LA and they're playing quality teams so its no surprise things are getting frayed a bit. I would guess Gagner moves to C and they switch things up. Hard to win when you're a two line team when it comes to the offence.

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  65. Mickey Redmond is almost as bad as the Vancouver announcer (Name escapes me. THanks red wine!)

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  66. Petry still confused which side he's playin.

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  67. Lander gets his stick slashed out of his hands, broken in two, ref is right in front of it. No call. And yet 4 minutes to Petrell. Great

    The oilers need to keep fighting through all that BS. Keep pressing.

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  68. I'm watching Detroit feed I think - this announcer is atrocious. He's making me want to see the Wings beat up, final score be dammed.

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  69. The lack of offense from the bottom two lines is very worrisome.

    Omark better be called up soon. Move Lander down to OKC and gagner back to C.

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  70. Horcoff is getting killed on faceoffs lately

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  71. Belanger should not be on the PP. He's bringing offense like Colin Fraser.

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  72. Turnovers. Red wings don't make em. Oilers can't stop.

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  73. Chicago should be fun. No energy.

    Hemsky in particular doesn't seem real interested in this one.

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  74. Sutton with a dumb penalty.

    I may not watch road games from now on. They look like a completely different team

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  75. Man Sportsnet is promoting Hazel's return. I fully expect here to be topless for her first broadcast.

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  76. I miss the MacBlender.

    Renney is holding onto to these line combos like grim death despite terrible results since LA.

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  77. This was the oilers of the last 5 years out here. The worst period they've played all season, in particular the last 7 minutes. It's like they forgot all of the defensive coaching and system work that they've clearly been doing since the season started. Was just a defensive free for all out there. They could barely make a tape to tape pass. Ugly ugly period. This could be the start of a long losing streak.

    And the Red Wings just all over it. Smelling blood. Knowing here's a tired, young, dumb road team who we can use to up our stats. Could easily be three of four nothing.

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  78. This could easily be 6-0.

    Detroit dominating play even if the shorts are reasonably close.

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  79. 111111222222222222222222222These punks are starting to unravel, ever since the Montreal game. Bit by bit you notice, as the Kid Line stops looking capable of scoring, the goalies start letting in goals(lol), and now the defence looks ragged.

    Cute of the Red Wings - three times in the period they "lose" a stick with the Oilers in their end of the rink. And the refs seem to sure get in the way of the Oilers, anytime they're in the Red Wings end(like 5x in the entire period).

    Not that I'm biased or anything.

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  80. Ah, this is what I'm used to. Was odd watching 2-1 wins all the time.

    Too bad we don't have skilled winger in the minors who could be called up to boost the offense.

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  81. I'm going to need a stiff drink to watch the 3rd. Any suggestions?

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  82. I miss the MacBlender.

    Renney is holding onto to these line combos like grim death despite terrible results since LA.


    But how else are they supposed to develop chemistry! I also miss MacT, besides the coaching ability, I really miss his interviews.

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  83. Whiskey...straight out of the bottle from, a glass will only slow you down.

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  84. I'm starting to think we need to trade away Hall and Eberle and Gagner for some real players.

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  85. Well this is a team that is playing their 2nd in a row and they can't run Smyth out again for another 22 minutes.

    This is ourselves.

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  86. Anybody know what the winning percentage of teams on the 2nd game of B to B road games?

    I believe the Oilers have 8 of them this year.

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  87. anyone have a working feed? I can never seem to find them anymore.

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  88. http://chanfeed.com/9542/watch-edmonton-vs-detroit

    Works; Detroit feed.

    Not sure how that's a penalty on Gilbert.

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  89. It think the 2nd of B2B was something close to 24% overall last year, less on the road. (That's just by memory, could be off)


    10% of the Oiler games being B2B is pretty brutal.

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  90. 39% according to a study on Gospel of Hockey:
    http://gospelofhockey.blogspot.com/2009/01/effect-of-back-to-back-games.html

    Interesting that 25% of all games included a road team on a B to B.

    NHL and their scheduling - I'm sure they'd like to see every team end at .500 while winning every home game in a shootout.

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  91. It could be a mix of the old guys sagging under the grind and the kids not yet ready to cope with it.

    Woodguy: Renney is in a tough spot. He hasn't established any alternate combinations to fall back upon (didn't want to mess with success at home), and this road trip only leaves room to prepare for the very next day.

    Fresh faces on Staten island: Eager, Hordichuck, Barker, Belanger, Lander, RNH, Petrell, Petry, Potter, Sutton, Smyth 2.0. And another five guys with a temporary work visa a little shy of stalwart status.

    By eye, Peckham is #7 on this roster in games played as an Oiler.

    One can only frappe les refugies so quickly.

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  92. Was that Lander out briefly with hall and Eberle? Seemed nice, and they double shifted Hall and Eberle with Hopkins coming on.

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  93. If it stays like this the NHL will announce the score as officially
    3-0 when in reality the score 3 to ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL! Never mind goals... I mean real chances!! Oh well it was nice while it lasted. The alarm went off

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  94. The Oilers look as though nobody has any talent. The lack of offense is starting to look ominous!

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  95. I agree, Clarkenstein. Losing on the second night of a back to back against one of the best teams in the league... the Oilers might as well just aim for that lottery pick now. /sarcasm

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  96. Yup blame it on the back to back. Mailed it in to Detroit again!

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  97. The Oilers need Ryan Whitney back and Ryan Suter in this lineup and to shuffle the forwards a bit.

    Then they're ready (maybe) for Detroit, Boston, San Jose, etc.

    I doubt it happens, but you never know.

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  98. Omarks gotta be back up after this weekend.

    Heres my suggestion

    Diaper snipers
    94 10. 28
    91 89. 83
    37 20 23

    At this point I would just move hemsky/omark out for Defense and slot hartikainen with the 4th line. Get bigger and tougher.

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  99. Oh, and the next game 55 plays, he better come out like his hair is on fire

    They look soft and easy to play against

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  101. Clarkenstein: Or you could not jump to the conclusion that the sky is falling and thus not have to find something to "blame". Teams lose hockey games. It happens, dude. Doesn't mean the season is over.

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  102. The sky's not falling? The season's not over? Whew... so all is good then? Wow, that makes me feel better. I'll sleep good tonight.

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  103. Okay, well we knew we weren't a top 3 team right?

    We might take a shot at 8th if we have a bit of luck this season, but till the line up matures and we find a real defenseman or two, I agree with LT... this is what we are. Young and inconsistent and still learning.

    Good to see actually. I want them to experience some adversity and frustration this season.

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  104. Just got back from the game and I didn't see it as bad as some of you guys did on here. Here are a few observations:

    -Even when the kids weren't creating scoring chances, they were keeping control of the puck in the Detroit zone. There were a few times when they had the Zetterberg line pinned, and even Datsyuk once. We'd obviously like to see more chances (they had at least 3, by my eye), but they certainly aren't the problem here.

    -There are a number of problems with players playing out of position. I think a few people here mentioned Petry, but Gagner and Belanger simply doesn't work together. The best moments Gagner had in this game was when he was gravitating to centre and Belanger was best when he could roam the middle. They hesistate and seem to be slightly confused from time to time (both moving to the same areas) and this is seems more evident in person than on TV.

    -I fear that Peckham may be broken. It's not simply in his play, but in his eyes/head. I was close enough to watch him closely in the second and his head and eyes are constantly flicking around, in a frantic fashion. It really looks like he's completely unsure of what he's doing and so he's simply trying to react to everything and can't anticipate anything. I don't know that he can figure things out in the NHL though, which is a problem because he needs an AHL stint that he won't get because of waivers.

    -Petrell seems out of position at evens. That might be a function of his linemates, but I was keeping an eye on him after that recent Cult of Hockey piece on Petrell's EV struggles.

    -Sutton is big and slow, but excellent positionally. I wish we could take his brain and put it into Peckham. He's the polar opposite in terms of vision and thinking the game.

    I think this team has a shot at the playoffs - there are two strong forward lines here. But Renney absolutely has to overhaul the bottom two lines.

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  105. If Ryan Smyth is the heart of this team then Sam Gagner is the appendix. Totally inert and unnecessary. No real function or purpose. Unnoticed until it starts malfunctioning and can become lethal. End this experiment please Renney. Call up Omark, slot him into Gagner's place and staple the aforementioned's ass to the bench until he figures things out. If thats even possible.

    If various D members are going to get called out after every game then Gilbert gets the nomination for bonehead play of the night. Soft play leading directly to Detroit's first goal.

    Renney must like fooling around with Menthos and Diet Pepsi too. No other explanation for Petry and Peckham being paired together behind the kid line. Same results too.

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  106. SK Oiler Fan said...
    Man Sportsnet is promoting Hazel's return. I fully expect here to be topless for her first broadcast.


    I think Hazel was sent to the States to get more pizzaz and to grow a pair. Certainly looks like she heeded the second part.

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