Sunday, June 26, 2011

Summer 2011: Top 20 Prospects




It is now bordering on ridiculous. As noxious as the regular seasons are around here, the collective is doing an excellent job of adding future warriors. Either the Edmonton Oilers are going to do massive damage, or some good soldiers are heading out of town at a young age. There's no middle ground.

Graduates from last summer's list: Taylor Hall, Magnus Pääjärvi, Jordan Eberle, Theo Peckham, Linus Omark, Devan Dubnyk and Taylor Chorney (all graduated to the NHL or exceeded 50 NHL games and are no longer considered prospects on my list); Johan Motin (regressed). There are also a large number of prospects not listed here (Troy Hesketh, Cam Abney, Phil Cornet, Kristians Pelss, Kellen Jones, Jordan Bendfeld, Frans Tuohimaa) who might be in the future. I had to stop somewhere, it's 28 deep and this is a top 20.
  1. C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: Remind me, when did the Oilers have a center with enough skill to be considered a future difference maker in the o-zone? Weight or Arnott is my guess, and the whispers are that RNH could be something special. One of the questions we can ponder over the summer is "which winger will he develop chemistry with?" come the fall. Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle will certainly get the first few at-bats, but Omark and Pääjärvi are out there and the ridiculous Hemsky remains an option. His Desjardins NHLE (82gp, 11-27-38) is shy of Hall's from a year ago (82gp, 17-29-46) and even if we factor in age difference (5-6 months) I believe Hall was a better offensive prospect at the same age. Still, this is another outstanding prospect for the Oilers, and the four year run of first round selections that began with Eberle has been stellar. Stu MacGregor, you magnificent bastard.
  2. D Oscar Klefbom: Redline had him #11 in the entire draft, saying he was "the best pure passer" of the top end blue for this year's entry. Redline then shifts into overdrive: "At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year's class." I don't know what he is, but it sounds very good. Klefbom's range of skills means that he can have an impact even if he doesn't bring a lot of offense when he arrives in the NHL.
  3. D Jeff Petry: Mobile defender with a wide range of skills, has shown enough already to suggest the Oilers have a legit top 4 talent here. Young man with size, mobility and intelligence. Oiler fans will turn on him in the "Tom Gilbert" way but for now we can celebrate a solid prospect who delivered on promise. A fine young prospect, perhaps overlooked a little because of the marquee value of Hall and the rest, Petry (and Peckham) represent important developments along the blue for an organization badly in need of help at the position.
  4. L Curtis Hamilton: Impressive season has him here, He's a solid 2-way winger. He just needs to do it on a bigger stage (consistently) to move up this list. Hamilton has a nice range of skills, and we should expect that he'll get a long look on the skill lines during the next few training camps. Although Hamilton has the tool kit to be an effective checker, it's also true that there's an impressive amount of offense there and he comes with the reputation of being a digger along the wall and is strong on the puck. A very good prospect.
  5. L Teemu Hartikainen: Hartikainen showed well when called up at the end of a very successful AHL rookie season. A wonderful prospect with size, skill and hands. Hartikainen was not a highly touted prospect and his draft day scouting report suggested foot speed would be his anchor. That didn't look like a problem during his late season audition. I'm not sure where he'll slot, but if he can find a center to work with there appears to be enough skill to establish himself as an NHL player. 
  6. C Anton Lander: The modern Doug Jarvis or does he have more offense and less defense? We're about to find out. He has an enormous defensive reputation for such a young player, can't remember the last Oiler center with this kind of rep. Marchant didn't have this kind of rep iirc. The thing to remember with this player is that his skill set suggests he can do a lot to help his team win hockey games even if he's not posting major boxcars.
  7. D Martin Marincin: Lost traction after an outstanding start, making it difficult to slot him until we see more. There is much hope for this player, but he needs to bulk up and those splits (first half: 33gp, 10-25-35 +6) (34gp, 4-17-21 -18) are enormous. I've looked long and hard and haven't seen any injury reports, so he must have run out of gas. We hope for more in 11-12. Puck moving defender who can play the position, he'll be the next guy up for the AHL roster.
  8. D David Musil: A throwback defender who fills an important role. A candidate for the "next Jason Smith" for an Oiler bunch who should be pretty good by the time he hits the NHL. Musil isn't going to bring the O, but he appears to be plenty good enough to supply the D. A safe pick and a needed skill set (as reflected by the sheer number of defensemen taken in rounds 2-7).
  9. G Tyler Bunz: Emerged as a legit prospect this past season. His SP (.919) ranked among the WHL's best and he showed very well in the playoffs (although he did sustain an injury). Oilers don't fast track goaltenders so it's going to be awhile (Roy will get his shot first, it's shaping us as another JDD-DD match). But the arrows are strong.
  10. R Tyler Pitlick. PF prospect suffered a late season injury and played the entire season on the wing despite being touted as a center of the future. His offense was a little shy, but the boxcars (56gp, 27-35-62) ranked him 3rd among WHL rookies and his EV stats (56gp, 22-19-41) suggest he might be a player. His 22 EV goals rank him 2nd among Tigers during the regular season despite missing several games and playing only sporadically on the big scoring line. Pitlick has moved down the prospect list since his draft day.
  11. G Olivier Roy: Solid technical goaltender lacks the size most NHL teams look for in their starters (he's listed at 6,00, 180 so he's not an imp). Butterfly type, he ran hot and cold all year long but looks like a legit pro prospect.I think he trails Bunz in the race for this cluster's best G option, but that's jst a guess. The Oilers won't have to make a decision on either for some time, so for now it's just flying sorties.
  12. D Jeremie Blain. Impressive season for lanky defender. Although he took forever to recover from injury, once he did Blain showed a nice range of skills and reports have him being vital to the team's success. Oilers think he'll fill out and he could be a late round gem down the line.
  13. C Chris VandeVelde. Looked pedestrian based on AHL numbers, but his coach defended his play and there was anecdotal evidence VandeVelde was being used as a tough-line match up. His play when called to the NHL was solid and helped his final number on this list. I dion't think he'll make it, but that NHL stint was solid.
  14. C Tobias Rieder: Looks like he's a candidate for diamond in the rough. Chosen after the obvious offense was long picked, Rieder is undersized but determined and more than a little skilled. Redline gushed about him, brought into perfect focus by this statement: among the 2011 draft picks on this list, Redline liked only RNH, Klefborm and Musil more.
  15. D Colten Teubert. Tough defender is a real throwback and an intimidating player. Thunderous hits and a mean streak make him somewhat unique and his role as an enforcer is backed up by the ability to play a regular shift. Unlikely to impact at the NHL level next season, he should see a cup of coffee during 11-12. His AHL coach says Teubert plays with such an edge he already grabbed opposition attention after short weeks in OKC.
  16. D Brandon Davidson. Late bloomer has calm feet and can move the puck expertly at junior level. Knock on him was skating but he seems to have improved enough for it to be a non-issue in the WHL. Played 2 AHL games on a PTO (professional tryout) and early returns were positive. 
  17. G Samu Perhonen. Have no idea what to do with him. I expect Perhonen will open up a SAAB dealership with Tommy Salo by the end of the decade but Janeway found a wormhole for Voyager to save Tuvok so maybe MBS can find a goalie to save Steve Tambellini.
  18. D Alex Plante. Enjoyed a much stronger season in 10-11 at the AHL level, but has been unable to jump the queue. Petry, Peckham and Chorney have held serve, and although Plante has not been passed by draft picks taken later, it's also true that the organization felt a need to trade for a similar player (Colten Teubert). I think Plante may be in a little trouble as an Oilers prospect.
  19. D Martin Gernat: Intriguing prospect who either bribed all English speaking bloggers to write glowing scouting reports or has some actual abiltiy. My choice for draft sleeper of 2011, Oiler chapter. Luedeke and Bugg are a perfect match in their assessment: there might be a player here.
  20. C Ryan Martindale. Enjoyed a very strong OHL season and looks ready to turn pro. Has not signed a contract with the Oilers, so that's something to follow. Played on a very famous line and delivered impressive numbers. His issues had mostly to do with consistency so the offensive output would seem to answer that question. I'm not certain the Oilers love him as one of their own.


    Missing the cut

The Oilers prospect list this summer is exceptional. At the bottom end there isn't much to choose from (Ewanyk vs. Czerwonka? I have no idea which prospect is more likely to fill a role in the NHL five years from now) so most of these 9 kids might be on your top 20 list and you'd be right. I'm posting it because in some way it shows just how much talent is available to the Oilers at this time.
  1. D Taylor Fedun: Outstanding college OD who is mature for a prospect and could come quickly. We don't know enough about him as a defender to project him with any kind of confidence but he'll got a full season to show his stuff in OKC.
  2. L Drew Czerwonka. Big man impressed with rugged style and surge offensively. Part of a surprising Kootenay Ice team, we have to wonder a little about the offense but he does seem to have decent hands.
  3. R Toni Rajala. Undersized skill winger had a solid year in Finland. Teenagers often get benched for long periods in the SM-Liiga (ask Jani Rita) so the fact that Rajala played a regular shift in 44 games bodes well.  
  4. D Dillon Simpson: A solid prospect but not good enough to break into an impressive top 20. A nice range of skills and from the scouting report it sounds like he'll battle the Brandon Davidson's of the world for playing time in pro hockey.
  5. C Travis Ewanyk: PF who works his bag off (source: Redline) and can win faceoffs, but the batting average is poor. Good NHL role players often come from failed scorers but sometimes you can bring a kid like Ewanyk along and he learns to score enough to stay in the lineup.
  6. C Tanner House: The Oilers might have something here. A nice range of skills, including a solid defensive rep plus he delivered in a very short period in OKC (6gp, 1-4-5 at the tail end of the regular season). One never knows, but he could fast track to the NHL should Lander show signs he needs AHL time and VandeVelde falters in TC. A very nice signing by the Oilers. 
  7. C Milan Kytnar: Enjoyed a solid first year pro after spending an extra year in junior. Kytnar didn't see a lot of post-season action, perhaps a reflection of his status once all those prospects were sent down from Edmonton at the end of the season. A player to watch in 2011-12, he certainly surprised with his quality of play in OKC. 
  8. D Kyle Bigos: Huge defender (6.05, 230) had another solid year for Merrimack (NCAA). Scouting reports have him playing heavy minutes in all disciplines, so it looks like the Oilers may have at least an AHL regular in the big man. It'll be years before we know the entire story.
  9. C Mark Arcobello: Not on the radar to begin the season, the undersized center forced his way up the OKC depth chart upon his arrival. An absolute long shot to have an NHL career, there are Frank St. Marseille's every once in awhile and this guy might be one.

45 comments:

  1. It's so hard to nail these lists...so much interpretation and subjectivity. But, I always appreciate seeing the lists and then watching how/if you move them up and down. A few of the new, highly ranked guys may stick if they perform up to the hype...some will slip because they are all filler and no killer.

    Number 1 on the list is the most intriguing of the lot. A bust is possible, but I'm always pulling for the home-team players. Could be a beauty.

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  2. What strikes me most is the sheer amount of depth on this list. Sure, not everyone's going to have an impact at NHL level, but wow, there's a huge amount of optimism for this hockey club.

    Why the Roy slippage, LT?

    - Glasgow Oil

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  3. LT, the list looks promising. I too wonder what's with Martindale...there is not a lot of love there. Perhaps they see him as a bit of a Pouliot. Hope he's not another Riley Nash.

    What I really like about the depth, is the the fact that its behind a solid foundation at the NHL level. Steve should have some assets to trade for better NHL players.

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  4. Agreed with glasgow oil, so much depth its unbelievable! Not to mention tremblay, fedun, montgomery and the two recently signed finns. Only a few will make it of course, but we have quantity AND quality for the first time in forever. Nice work LT, and damn nice job to MBS and the rest of the oilers amateur scouts.

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  5. lazerguidedmelody: Best nick I've seen in awhile on the information highway. :-)

    I had Roy 16th one year ago, and 15th on the winter list, he's 11th now. That's moving up.

    Unless you mean the 20 I posted over at ON in the spring, and then he was 8th because of all the kids coming off the list (Hall, etc) from last season.

    I think Roy is a really good prospect.

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  6. When I read about Ewanyk I think of a Reddox type player, motor that doesn't quit/not much offense. But I'm guessing he has a brighter future based on his size. Are there any current Oilers I should compare him to rather than Reddox?

    Also, I feel like MBS is picking out of Redline.

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  7. Detroit traded down after Klefbom and Morrow were gone.

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  8. @ tjosie.... I'd say Jacques, but that's a motor that doesn't quit and no offence.

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  9. It is very hopeful looking at the list of prospects and recognising that the team has this kind of depth to power them forward in the 2014 season. If a third the prospects perform to the promise they are showing, then the Oil have enough to make a deep SCF run and be able to lose important players every round.

    Mind you, they need to build a winning team between now and then so, I am not holding my breath.

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  10. Tjosie

    This is the comp you're looking for:

    Stortini (3rd round 2003):
    17 and 18 yr old seasons in CHL
    GP G A P PIM +/-
    65 8 6 14 187 -2
    62 13 16 29 222 -25

    Ewanyk (3rd round 2011):
    17 and 18 yr old seasons in CHL
    GP G A P PIM +/-
    42 1 4 5 45 -8
    72 16 11 27 126 -3

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  11. i think that's an excellent comp. Ewanyk is a center with a little better foot speed, but Stortini was a successful draft pick by any measure.

    256 NHL games from a 94th overall selection? Yes, please.

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  12. Nice resume.

    Poor Arcobello.

    He's got more point than VDV in 26 games then the latter had in his full season.

    I think his NHL stint which he never should have extended his pro career. He was so bad.

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  13. Nice breakdown LT but we have to be careful that we don't overrate "our" guys in the same manner that management has over the past 5 years or so. We need to see some BIG steps for most of these guys this upcoming season before I'll get excited. Having said that I hope it happens.

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  14. As usual, well done lowetide. Janeway, Tuvok and worm holes... Only you can tie this into hockey. The interwebs would not be the same without you.

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  15. Great list, the future looks bright. I'd slot Hartikainen higher (4) then Lander (5) then Hamilton (6), but really that just my take....great work, thank LT.

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  16. Interesting LT.
    I would have kept Dillion instead of Gernat. he played in a much superior league and had decent success. Played for UND which is a very good program and scored 10 points as 17 yr old D man.
    On the other hand Gernat was not even in the U-20 team which plays in the top tier slovak league.

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  17. Also I am somehat surprised by Roy moving up considering the dismalish season he had in the regular season. And then had just simply terrible playoffs.
    I agree projecting goalies is difficult but still his rise in somewhat unwarranted IMO

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  18. sumoil:

    How is the USDP superior to a U-20 program? He played against high-schoolers while he played against near-men.

    HC Kosice U20 Slovakia U20 28 3 15 18

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  19. Sumoil: His save% went up 3% every season now.

    And then he scored ,913 in three AHL Games...

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  20. @FPB

    what are you talking about?
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=123970
    he played of UND
    college hockey >> U-20 slovakia jr.
    Also best slovakia u-20 play for that Orange team that plays in the Sloviakia mens league.

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  21. @ fpb

    3 ahl games is too small a sample size.
    also his backup put up superior numbers. I am not saing Roy is a bad prospect, but I think he is a little high in the rankings.

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  22. SumOil: I think Roy did enough to move up (remember a lot of quality came off the list) on this list.

    His SP was 4th in the QMJHL last season and

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  23. Sum: Ah North Dakota! Yes then I agree fully.

    I tough he played for the development team, which seem to have abysmal results. Sorry.

    Still stand my point on Roy tough.

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  24. Fans will not turn on Petry akin to Gilbert, since he's shown that he can be positionally strong, and works hard on the boards, both of which were as good as or better than Gilbert in a year where Petry was rushed to the NHL as a rookie.

    The physical aspect isn't the issue here. There's plenty of players who are an effective defender without being a hard checker.

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  25. Maybe it is just me being pessimistic then.
    But his play in WJC was pretty bad. His playoffs were horrible and his sv percentage was lower than his back up.
    His sv was close to .904 in around mid feb
    but he had a very very good finish to move it up. SO i guess his improvement could be sign of things to come. But then he did bomb the playoffs.
    But i see your point. 4th in the qmjhl is a good thing to be and also in 3 games he was good.

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  26. helenenothelen Helene Elliott
    Ryan Smyth to Edmonton for Colin Fraser and a 7th round pick in 2012. Done. Over. Official
    4 minutes ago

    LAKings LA Kings
    KINGS ACQUIRE (F) COLIN FRASER AND A 7TH-ROUND DRAFT PICK IN 2012 NHL ENTRY DRAFT FROM EDMONTON IN EXCHANGE FOR VETERAN FORWARD RYAN SMYTH.
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  27. @ LT

    "In regard to Dillon Simpson, he's described as an offensive defenseman with some footspeed issues. There aren't a lot of those who have NHL careers."

    Fair enough. But I would still bet on Simpson over Gernat.

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  28. oops. "and the playoffs is a small sample size."

    In regard to Dillon Simpson, he's described as an offensive defenseman with some chaos issues by some and a defnesive defenseman with footspeed issues by others.

    I'll err on the side of caution with this player.

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  29. Good stufff, LT, some nice depth there. I think Musil projects more like a Smid than a Jason Smith. Smith had intangibles like leadership and knowing when to step up, some little things that Smid hasn't grasped yet.

    I think Simpson is safer bet to make the NHL than Gernat is just bcause of a more wider eange of skills. Gernat is more of a project while Simpson has more polish to his game.

    I think Teubert will likely get some looks from the Oilers this year, I'm not sure Plante does. Interesting that you have Blain ahead of Teubert. Blain does have more upside but I really question how his game will play out in the pros.

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  30. So here's the big question for everyone, as we sit and gush over how much we like these prospects: do the oilers try to compete in 2011-2012, or do we effectively tank it for another (last) round of first overall picks?

    Which is to say, without veteran help at C and D, this team still isn't going to win much at the NHL level. So what should Tambo's approach be for the upcoming 10 days? If he adds a veteran C, D, and Smyth, then we can safely assume he's not interested in the first overall again. NHL results will slowly become the order of the day.

    But if he doesn't add pieces, we're still a potential lottery team. Should we as fans be angry? What are we hoping for, in terms of competitive effectiveness at the NHL level?

    My sense is that a good season this year means all the kids develop and we make it out of the lottery. We won't be good enough to make the playoffs, but drafting 9th or 10th overall would still net us a real player next year, and we'd have some traction at the NHL level.

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  31. Mark: Without better center play, better defense depth and better than average goaltending, this team, as is stands, is setting up nicely for another lottery year.

    The depth on the wings is golden.

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  32. I like to sign Roman Hamrlik to a one year contract at $4-$5 million dollars to play with Gilbert, if they can't work a trade for a more age appropriate defensive D.

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  33. So you want to know about Musil. How's this to push him more towards Jason Smith than Smid.

    I heard or read this over the weekend. Sorry, can't recall where as I was listening to 1260, Ched and read tons of twitter stuff.

    At the prospects game, Duncan Siemens made it known he would take on all commers. The one who answered the bell ? David Musil.

    He didn't win the fight, but he didn't get beat up either.

    Musil

    I think the kid knows his role and with his size and strength, do a better job than Smid.

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  34. So Fraser is worth more than Brule?

    This is madness!

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  35. So, Fraser is gone and LA was going to buyout Brule (probably so was Tambo).

    I think we might actually see Tambo look at adding some veteran presence or else it will be all in with the kids to round out the roster.

    Either way, he's made a determination about Brule and Fraser not being needed or useful. If nothing else, I see more roster changes again this season. It's all good.

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  36. Regwald:

    Does this mean that tambo has actually finished evaluating some players?!

    Small progress is progress none-the-less.

    Regardless of what happens Friday, tambo has had an impressive offseason already.

    Maybe they won't finish dead last!

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  37. What's the point of buying out Brule? It'll still mean you'll have some cap space spent on him into 2012-2013 when you could just play him, in a year where you're mostly concerned about hitting the cap floor. Let the kid come to camp and compete for a spot. Might as well see if the Brule you believed in enough to hand a 1.8 per year contract can re-establish himself. It's not like there are a lot of quality veteran players in the bottom six that he'd be taking ice time away from.

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  38. @itsaleaf,

    Shocking as it may sound, just maybe evaluation of a couple of players is done.

    @paperdesigner

    The reason for buying out Brule is saving $$$ and contracts. If LA was going to buy him out, I think Edmonton was as well.

    If they are looking at bringing in some serviceable vets, then you can see Brule gone. Also, some of those graduating jr's will need contracts in OKC

    Nothing against the kid (shame about all his IR time), but he would be naive to think a buyout isn't in his future.

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  39. And what are we supposed to spend all that cap savings of a million and change on? Brad Richards? We're a cap floor team next season. Might as well have another player competing for a role at camp.

    I'm just perplexed that the organization seems to react based on the prior year only. Brule, based on his history, was a bit of a risk on a two year contract a year ago. But when you only have to wait a year to find out if the kid can turn it around? It's not like this team doesn't have a role for a player who can score goals and provide some grit in your bottom six.

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  40. But looking at this list, it's positively shocking that they can lose Hall, Paajarvi, Eberle, Omark, Peckham and Dubnyk in a calender year, and yet still have a strong prospect pool. I fully expect at least five players from that top seven to make the NHL in some capacity, and there's a chance that they all might make it, though perhaps not with the Oilers (you can still only play eighteen skaters, right?). I think there's a slight drop off from that group to Pitlick and Teubert, and then there's everybody else.

    I think the top ten looks something like...

    1. Nugent-Hopkins
    2. Petry
    3. Marincin
    4. Klefbom
    5. Hamilton
    6. Hartikainen
    7. Lander
    8. Pitlick
    9. Teubert
    10. Musil

    I think part of the evaluation process has to be not only ceiling, but how far down the road a prospect has come without the wheels falling off. I think Teubert is clear of a lot of guys on your list, Lowetide, largely because he's managed to make it to the AHL without the wheels falling off. I think the ability to successfully transition between leagues is an important aspect of a legitimate prospect... Petry has gone from playing Junior in the US to collegiate competition to the AHL to the NHL without any huge problems. That's the mark of a guy who is thoroughly on track. Marincin, Hartikainen, Petry and Pitlick all successfully transitioned between leagues last year. I think they are more promising prospects, all else being equal, than Lander and Klefbom, who have yet to try the NA game, or Musil, who saw his stock drop fairly far transitioning to the WHL.

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  41. Who is the most likely to make the NHL from the bottom of the list. Any potential 5-7th rounders who have the ability to surprise.

    I see Bigos making the NHL later in his career. He'd be a 5-6 in my books. Mean as hell too.

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  42. I also like the addition of Tryvanien as a prospect. He may be higher than some on the list already. Our next Esa! Perhpas in the 13-17 slot. Keep him in mind for the next update.

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  43. It's so hard to do these lists right now. By December, after we've had a chance to watch these guys in the system for 4 months, it'll be much easier to tell where the 2011 draftees fit in.

    Re: Musil. I don't know him from Adam, but the upside seems low and I'm hypersensitive to Oiler nepotism. I'm sure they are worthy picks, but drafting Simpson and Musil annoys me just a little.

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  44. @RiversQ

    I agree, especially with Rask still on the board.

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