There was a mass gathering of Canuck fans in the baseball field outside my house to watch the game, and they all left 10 minutes before the 3rd was over. I've never been so happy about the misfortune of millions of people. Thank you Boston!!!
Good on Boston for coming through in Game 7. Kudos to Vancouver as well, as a team they have earned my respect.They have a solid team, I'm just glad they didn't win, it keeps the earth balanced.
Which Canadian team loses in SCF Game 7 next....Winnipeg?
Kudos to the fans in the building for being classy.
To Temujin: One of the good guys, sorry your team lost - sucks when it happens.
Gillis has a tough decision to make about his goalie moving forward no matter what he says in public. Vancouver had the horses up front, they just finally ran out of bodies in the finals - which goes to show how tough it really is to win.
Especially when you play like dirt bags. Boston was the one team that they couldn't physically beat.
I'm concerned about families and kids in downtown Vancouver right now. This is really horrible stuff from what I'm reading. I don't think has much to do with being a Canucks fan, looks like it has more to do with being a asshole wearing a Canucks jersey.
But if that photo I saw of a guy in a Bruins jersey turns out to have a story that involves injury then I think we need to have a long look at fandom. That's just crazy.
Just saw a news clip of the police throwing a tear gas canister in downtown Vancouver a few minutes ago.
The canister beat Luongo high glove side.
In all seriousness though:
- For all the heat that Roberto's going to take, the Sedins should take just as much. They were an absolute non-factor this series.
- It's sad to see a few jackasses making the entire city of Vancouver look bad. I'll rain on Nuck Nation as hard as anyone, but it's a small minority of their fanbase that is "light shit on fire" stupid.
Bottom line though - I'm glad I didn't have to watch punks like Burrows and Lapierre raise the Cup. End of story.
I tried to start a riot in Smithers, but all I got was a bunch of first nations folks laughing at my white ass.
Pretty silly stuff down there. Alcohol-fueled douchebaggery at its finest. In all honesty though, if I paid $5000+ to watch that game, I'd wanna torch things too.
Cheers WG, I forgot about Horton. It just highlights how important your pro scouting is. English football fans might recognise a few of the pictures coming out of Vancover. Ok, they rioted on a few occasions, but it took them decades to get rid of the stigma (which, amazingly, still exists in North America). Hockey doesn't want to go down that dark, dark route.
As fun as it is to point out the inconsistency of LOLuongo, it was Vancouver's offense that was the problem here. JMO, but the Sedins simply did not have another gear, and Burrows spent too much time agitating and diving. It looked like they couldn't adjust to the balls-to-the-wall speed that everyone was playing, which was evidenced by how many pucks they whiffed on.
Did anyone notice how quickly Kaberle got rid of the Cup? Almost like he just didn't "get" the reason why his teammates were so excited.
NHL should take away a couple picks from the nucks over the way their fans reacted. It would be the best way to send a message to so called "hockey fans"
I think Kaberle just felt awkward. He looked genuinely happy, but it was almost as if he didn't feel like he quite belonged. Considering he came over on a 'deadline' deal as a hired gun I can understand that. Also Kaberle has always by nature been a quiet reserved guy, not one to go balls out anything.
On Facebook there's a couple groups of interest... one is a group where Vancouverites can sign up to volunteer to help clean up after the riots. The other is a place where everyone can post their pictures of the riots with the intent to identify/tag the perpetrators.
From the comments I am reading from various websites and reaction I am hearing in the media I think we are giving far too many people a pass for the events of last night in Vancouver. The claims that the actual rioters only numbered a couple of hundred may techincally be true, but what level of culpability do the tens of thousands of 'fans' who happily filmed or photographed or watched the idiots torch and bust up their city share? I'd venture to say that the folks in the streets that watched/filmed/photographed outnumbered the idiots 100-1. I am pretty sure that if I was standing there with ten of my level headed buddies we could easily have thrown down some punk pushing over a port-a- potty. Mulitiply that course of action a hundred times by similar level headed fans and I doubt events spiral like they did last night. Vancouver was torched because Vancouverites allowed it. They watched it, filmed it, photographed it and soaked it all...Happily in most cases. The 'Hooligans' could not have caused the damage they did without tens of thousands of witnesses standing by doing nothing except tweeting and uploading images to their Facebook accounts. Disgusting.
Note to next fans in Canadian city in a SCF: if you don't want your city to burn put down your iPhone, your Lumix, your Andriod and grab a punk and shake the sh!t out of him until the cavalry comes to put zip cords around his wrists and ankles.
Nice idea in principle, but how do does the cavalry distinguish between hooligans/punks and the so called level headed guys if there are scattered bar room type brawls everywhere? And if any are armed??
I recognize that Edmonton had its share of losers burning down Whyte Ave in 2006, but these kinds of acts embarrass the sport, more, they embarrass the whole country.
the city officials need to be blamed for these riots as much as the "few" who incited them.
how do you bottle neck 100,000 irate, drunk people in your core?!! just completely ridiculous! it's like nothing (and i mean nothing) was learned during the olympics.
blaming this on the "anarchists" only is total BS. there were 1000s of losers out there acting like drunk knobs and lumping them in with "politicos" is a half-truth.
i think there was a social aspect to this, of discontent from a lower/middle class that has political and financial issues with the Vancouver "life".
Jfry: They did this because the Olympics went so well. I was downtown for a pretty good chunk of that event (including the post gold medal celebrations) and never saw anything worse than a drunken fight or two. There were some actual violent protesters the first day, but they got wrapped up pretty quickly with minimal overall damage. I think attributing this to class discontent only legitimizes the actions of drunken thugs. If you have a Canucks jersey to burn on a car fire, how bad off could you be?
Woody: I'm not in favour of the rest of the crowd going all vigilante on people, but I'm similarly disgusted by the crowd of enablers hanging out and taking photos. When someone flips a car and lights it on fire, it's time to go home. The density of the crowd provides the anonymity that the relatively small bunch of actual rioters needs. If the crowd goes home instead of taking photos for their Facebook profiles, then the police can focus on actual troublemakers instead of trying to find them in a huge crowd.
Ricki - man, I hope you're being sarcastic. A parliamentary committee? Really? For an issue of local law enforcement?
I have some sympathy for the police and government in this case. When that many people get together, if the "crowd mood" turns violent, you basically have two options:
1) Escalate the use of force (i.e. lots tear gas, pepper spray, selective arrests of apparent ring leaders) in the hopes of scaring casual hangers-on and intimidating the most belligerant.
2) Guide and contain the crowd, split it apart when possible. Allow for some minor property damage but break up anything that looks to be especially dangerous with the use of massed riot police formations (this is what they tried and was mostly successful in Toronto for the G20).
The problem with these options is that the second is generally better, but takes a lot more time, planning and manpower (the South Koreans do this best). Police in Canada are increasingly scared of using the first option because all it takes is one picture of a drunken idiot getting beaten down by batons or a cute girl crying from the tear gas and there's 10 years of inquiries in their future.
From the initial reports it seems that the problem was that the police didn't/couldn't commit to either of these.
i think there was a social aspect to this, of discontent from a lower/middle class that has political and financial issues with the Vancouver "life".
Try as I might to divine a political agenda from punks smashing things because they can within the relative anonymity of the crowd, I think that's giving them too much credit.
The reality is that professional sports subsist to a large part because of the mob/herd mentality. Most of the time, this herd mentality is actually channeled into relatively peaceful or harmless pursuits (crowd chants, fight songs, seas of white, blog communities, etc.). Unfortunately, when the emotions of the mob are particularly inflamed, it can morph into something considerably less positive.
What's particularly interesting about this latest sports riot is the fact that the ubiquity of social media and the loss of privacy associated with same doesn't seem to be mitigating this behavior. If anything, it appears to be spurring it on in some cases. It would appear our youth culture is continuing to embrace the '5 minutes of fame' mindset regardless of the ramifications.
Man, see that arrogant prick Kesler crying will never get old.
And Burrows pitching one last cheap shot - head-shot - at Peverly in the meaningless last minutes?
Don't ever change, baby.
In the end, the fans in the rink for G7 were great. They cheered their own crew and acknowledged some of the B's as well. So, in that respect props to that gang.
And I think the way it closed I was happier to cheer for the fact that Burrows, kessler, lunogo, bieksa and laperriere didn't get to expeerience the joy of the cup more than anything else.
I love watch the sedins play and salo and edler and erhoff and those fellows seem fine. Raymond seems like the nicest kind of a guy and I didn't like to see him get taken out; not in the least.
But it's for Burrows and Laperriere being the way they are and Kesler being arrogant and obvlious right to the goddamn end and Bieksa shooting the puck the lenght of the rink with one second left when he knows he'll be relaxed.
I'm sure that teams of jerk-offs have won in the past; but in this new era you have the choice to read enough about everyone to be able to form a decent opinion of how they are on the ice.
For those reasons this is why I find joy in those players and that team not being able to find joy.
I ask this becasue I honestly don't remember the following couple of days after the Oilers were knocked out in '06 but what kind of damage was done in edm following that loss.
we know there`s been past savagry in mtl and LA when titles have been won but what is it about van that losing brings out the absolute worst.
i watched canucks connected last night and taylor and garrett were emblematic of what I`d always heard about long time dys fans: they were sad and resigned because they never expected to win.
to me that`s like me being an expos fan where I`d most likely drink myself to sleep over a big loss; but would never think of violence.
Nothing. You're not missing a thing. I poured myself too much whiskey in '06 and probably wasn't good company for a day or so, but the idea of going downtown to be a coward in the crowd isn't on a fan's agenda imo.
Spoiled asshole kids. I sound like my Dad, but there's no other reasonable explanation. If you own something, or care for someone, then this kind of behaviour isn't an option.
Two bit heroes, I thank Al Gore for getting their faces on so many videos and photos.
Seeing a lot of praise for the fans in the building last night, and they were certainly good in many aspects... but didn't people notice all the bottles being hurled onto the ice during Bettman's speech, and even as Chara was hoisting the Cup? The cameras didn't focus on it, but you could see multiple flying object and splashes.
It only takes a couple of morons to make a group look bad of course, but lets not give them an A+ in class either.
I miss the good old days of the Oiler Cup celebrations when the worst thing that happened was a couple cop cars getting jostled and Jasper Avenue was teeming with delirious Oiler fans and women flashing their maguppies.
Aside from the fact that our teams actually won some silverware, I guess that's what separates Edmonton from Vancouver. We understand a simple tenent: boobies good, burning bad.
I think the fact Vancouver has never won a major championship of any significance is a strong contributing factor in last night's rioting. Studies have shown that the mood and self esteem of many sports fans is influenced to far too great a degree by the performance of their chosen team(s).
By way of contrast, I don't think there's any way in hell this riot occurs in Boston were the situations reversed. When your city also boasts recent championship teams like the Patriots and Sox, it's a lot easier to shrug off a disappointment of this magnitude.
Many Vancouverites suddenly felt like huge 'losers' less night and the violence on display was the physical manifestation of those emotions. Far better to go home and have some angry sex with the better half but clearly some of these guys didn't have that option available - which makes them losers on 2 fronts. lol
The people who showed up in balaclava's and with gasoline and knives and all sorts of other shit weren't there to watch the game; they were there to wreak mayhem win or lose.
Beyond that, psychologically it's very counter-intuitive to riot after a loss. Generally speaking, riots only happen after a win because of the release of testosterone... there was none of that.
But Dennis pretty much echoed my sentiments, and I have to say I'm pretty damn happy about the way it all turned out.
Check out any of the websites where they have these people posting on facebook boasting about their involvement in all of this.
LT is absolutely right. These are basically drunk asshole kids. Its nothing to do with socioeconomics. They're pretty well a bunch of soulless middle class kids wiht their expensive jerseys and IPhones and laptops out for a thrill.
The posts are hilarious. One guy talking about how he beat up a cop and flipped cars, a girl posting 'hey you know this is evidence right'.
Same mentality as the folks on twitter who were flaming Theo Fleury, keyboard warriors.
I've said this in a few mediums (media?) now but I think it's farce to attribute any political slant on the riot - $10 says if you asked those idiots what their political ideology was, the most common reply would be "...Jersey Shore?"
A lot of drunk, young, spoiled people sucked in to a pointless mob mentality. Lowetide, don't worry about sounding like your dad at all on this one.
Police Chief Jim Chu said nine officers were injured, including one that required 14 stitches after being hit with a brick. Another suffered a concussion and several were bitten by rioters.
I know there were a lot of Burrows jerseys downtown, but wow...
Just two weeks remain until July 1, when a group of players including Erik Cole, Jussi Jokinen, Chad LaRose, Joni Pitkanen and Cory Stillman will be allowed to test the open market if not re-signed by the Hurricanes. While management is not close to a deal with any of those players, it is thought to be furthest apart with Jokinen and Pitkanen, who will almost certainly begin talks with other teams next month.
While cautioning that he won’t close the door on any player, that has General Manager Jim Rutherford exploring options to replace the two Finns, with a trade for a power-play quarterback who can play among the top four defensemen – an immediate Pitkanen substitute - potentially quite close to completion.
“We’re talking about a couple of trades, as that may be the way we have to go where we know what contracts are going to be for next season,” he said. “We’re exchanging ideas, and something could happen any time.
Something tells me the Canes will be very, very bad.
Murat and BD: Well I think there's idiots in every generations. When I see a guy in his 40-50's rolling around town with his Hummer doing 30 L per/100 KM, washing his driveway with potable water and being obsessed about his lawn, I wanna slap his shit too.
fpb: I think there are idiots in every generation.
You're absolutely right. I wouldn't even begin to extrapolate from those drunk douchebags to the rest of what is very much my generation (J'ai 26 ans). When it comes to the rioting though, I think age is relevant - there were no 5 or 50 year olds stomping on cars. Pointless, drunk mob violence is usually the calling card of the 16-30 year old male. Just my opinion but a certain amount of privilege may also go hand in hand.
People took screenshots and put them up on this site. Its pretty funny shit.
As for different generations of course there are assholes in each but young dudes are young dudes. No family to take care of, quite often not settled into a career, lots of testosterone.
Can't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm sure you wouldn't be involved in that sort of shit, nor would a guy like PDO and while I was immature when I was in my 20s I wouldn't have been either.
But look at the faces of those involved and most of them were guys in their 20s. Just the way it is.
Black Dog: You left me off your list of non-rioting 20somethings. And you also said pretty much the same thing as me (but better). You trying to fuck with me?
3 reason this bullshit happened in VAN last night. 1. Police 2. Police 3. Police Not enough of them, poorly organized and too passive. There should have been dozens of them on every damn street corner before, during and after the game. And whose idea was that to let that many people watch the game from the street? You get that many drunks in one area and bad things are going to happen. Somebody should lose a job over this, in fact, many people should lose a job. But in good old sleepy B.C. they'll just have another inquiry that will take 5 years.
Full credit to those Vancouver fans who formed a ring of arms around a down-stricken Bruins fan so the police could extract him to an ambulance.
Full credit to those Van fans who showed up this morning to clean up the debris downtown as volunteers. Full credit to those who signed the apologies painted on the boarded up windows of The Bay.
Full credit to those who video'd and photo'd the offenders and provided evidence to the police.
Full credit to those who stayed and cheered their thanks to the Canucks for a valiant run. Full credit to those who cheered the vanquishers.
You are team's true fans. I tip my hat to you.
Whenever we have events that show the dark side of human nature, those same events often reveal humanity's saving graces too. Let's remember this defeat and riot for those true fans, those wonderful beings.
even when I was in my 20's, I wouldn't take to the streets to bully up.
I would just drink myself to sleep:)
and like I said, I just remember g7 06 was on a monday and the next couple of days are a blur. I was as destroyed as you can be from something that deep down in your gut you can eventually rationalize as not mattering.
Does that make sense?
and to see taylor and garret last night - even to hear hughson - it's a bunch of guys who never expect to win; they are the brooding type. but then there's these people that rip stuff up and I don't get it.
in '96 the Expos were still alive up to the last saturday. they were a game behind and the dodgers were playing at 530 and the expos are 830.
if LA won and the expos didn't then they were eliminated.
I bought 2 dozen beer and a pack of cigarettes.
I will put my expos fandom up to the age of 21 up against anything anyone felt for the Dys. So, LAD wins and the expos lose and I just head for George St and it's over.
and yes, I learned there are some good fans there; though CF has a point about the bottle landing to the right of Bettman.
but as long as all the arseholes are playing for the Dys and Hughson can't rein it in and Healy and Simpson think they are somehow in the Dys ring of honor, then I'll continue to root against them.
I don't know if anyone took this on - dowbiggin took a cursory shot early on but chickened out - and maybe I should do it myself but shame on the CBC for trying to create the narrative instead of reporting on it once it developed.
if you read the bos globe and the herald - like I did - then you'd see some shady stuff too and especially from steve buckley at the herald. but those are local newspapers.
every night HNIC acted like it was a regional game; healy and simpson - especially the former - acting like Tommy heinson or Hawk Harrellson.
by the end I must admit that G7 had Hughson as the most objective of them all.
If the braintrust could get reliable intel that Couturier might actually slip to 8th as Redline suggests, trading Hemmer to Columbus seems like a good play.
I don't think that kind of intel exists though, so it would be a major gamble. The other possibilities at 8 aren't nearly as exciting.
I still think RLR is well worth reading, and they have good insights.
Mock drafts on the other hand, whoever does them, rank up there with us internet denizens coming up with trade proposals in terms of providing interesting information.
Yee-es.
ReplyDeleteThere was a mass gathering of Canuck fans in the baseball field outside my house to watch the game, and they all left 10 minutes before the 3rd was over. I've never been so happy about the misfortune of millions of people. Thank you Boston!!!
ReplyDeleteGood on Boston for coming through in Game 7. Kudos to Vancouver as well, as a team they have earned my respect.They have a solid team, I'm just glad they didn't win, it keeps the earth balanced.
ReplyDeleteWhich Canadian team loses in SCF Game 7 next....Winnipeg?
Vancouver fans cheered Chara, Lucic and Thomas when they lifted the Cup. Good classy move.
ReplyDeleteAgreed...classy fans in the building...now I hope they keep up the class on the street and don't burn their town.
ReplyDeleteCouldn't be happier for Tim Thomas.
Now to focus on the entry draft!!!
Oilers tied with the Canucks and 28 other teams for non-Stanley-Cup-Winners...but we gotz the first pick!
Hughson sounds like someone punched him in the gut.
ReplyDelete1st round picks on BOS:
ReplyDeleteHorton (3rd 2003)
Seguin (2nd 2010)
A flock of 2nd and 3rd rounders, as well as 5th,6th,8th and non-drafted players.
Marchand is a good example of hard work and effort trumping size.
ReplyDeleteThe trick is figuring out who has it and who doesn't on draft day.
20g 21a 41pts in the regular season and 9g 7a 16pts in the playoffs (good for 3rd on the champs) is a pretty slick rookie year.
5'9" 183 lbs
And now Boston goes to the draft and picks up a 9th overall, sheesh.
ReplyDeleteThomas was lights out.
Has a player ever gone from as BAD as Tim Thomas was early in his career to the level of play he has reached at this stage of his career?
ReplyDeleteCongrats to the Broooons!!!!
As VCR GM I make an RFA offer for Shea Weber on a 5 year $35m deal And immediately either buy out or place Ballard in AHL ASAP
Loved Stauffer interview with Conte
Woodguy, agreed on Marchand, tenacity at it's best. Where do the Oil order a few of him?
ReplyDeleteI'm just feeling relieved and grateful that the Canucks lost.
ReplyDeleteI was so elated by the news that I ran 3 red lights in their honor.
Nice to see some balance here.
ReplyDeleteMarchand is a freaking gem.
Shows you how identifying real players has much more value than tanking for high draft picks.
While I can't argue with the Thomas selection as Conn Smyth winner, I could make the arguments that Marchand was the Bruins' MVP.
5'9"..185.
Kid is one hell of a player.
Clevocki is a Czech drafted in the 7th round.
Kudos to the fans in the building for being classy.
ReplyDeleteTo Temujin: One of the good guys, sorry your team lost - sucks when it happens.
Gillis has a tough decision to make about his goalie moving forward no matter what he says in public. Vancouver had the horses up front, they just finally ran out of bodies in the finals - which goes to show how tough it really is to win.
Especially when you play like dirt bags. Boston was the one team that they couldn't physically beat.
Rarified Air?
ReplyDeleteYes Sir!
Let the riots begin.
I'd say Brule plays a game similar to Marchand. Too bad he's made of glass.
ReplyDeleteLesson's from the night:
ReplyDelete1)Don't trust Luongo
2)Don't count on speedbag and his twin brother
3)Don't park your car in downtown Vancouver during game 7
Thought I would be changing my handle but they never disappoint. Always the finger biters, never the bangers.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm Gillis there's not a lot to change. Boston won the series, but Vancouver would have been a worthy champion.
ReplyDeleteVAN will have a hangover in the fall but there was a tremendous amount of luck in those 7 games.
The biggest story was Jesus, as is often the case.
Lots of sad faces here on the west coast.
ReplyDeleteYou could see this coming after game 3- the Canucks looked like a very good team,but not a championship team.
I don't know what they do with Luongo-the Canucks had a similar situation with Cloutier but he wasn't signed to an 11 year contract.
Jesus.
Luongo was fine. The 2nd goal was stoppable but the first and third were lucky bounces.
ReplyDeleteI'm hoping they panic and deal him to the Oil for Stortini.
You stay classy, Vancouver.
ReplyDelete20g 21a 41pts in the regular season and 9g 7a 16pts in the playoffs (good for 3rd on the champs) is a pretty slick rookie year.
ReplyDeleteYou forgot to mention that he's RFA. Offer sheet time! hah.
Seguin - 1
ReplyDeleteHall - 0
But that's okay. What makes me smile is...
Boston - 1
Kessel/Leafs - 0
Best of luck to the Vancouver Canucks in the 2011-12 season.
ReplyDeleteFirst things first:
ReplyDeleteCongratulations Boston Bruins 2011 champions.
secondly:
Everyone can be proud the way the Canucks got this far, to a seven game final. However my Girlfriend who likes Boston called it.
Presidents Trophy winners 2011, Vancouver Canucks.
Kevin Lowe is laughing his ass off tonight.
PS: I don't think Lowetide wants a lot of mocking the Canucks tonight. (note to the nucks - ditch Torres)
@ doritogrande: That's the spirit!
ReplyDeleteI don't care, mock away.
ReplyDeleteI'm concerned about families and kids in downtown Vancouver right now. This is really horrible stuff from what I'm reading. I don't think has much to do with being a Canucks fan, looks like it has more to do with being a asshole wearing a Canucks jersey.
But if that photo I saw of a guy in a Bruins jersey turns out to have a story that involves injury then I think we need to have a long look at fandom. That's just crazy.
Lowetide said...
ReplyDelete"If I'm Gillis there's not a lot to change. Boston won the series, but Vancouver would have been a worthy champion.
VAN will have a hangover in the fall but there was a tremendous amount of luck in those 7 games.
The biggest story was Jesus, as is often the case."
Absolutely true LT.
But I think Gillis brings in a nasty bugger to ride shotgun with the Sedins and Shea Weber for his top pairing.
Torres acted like a lightning rod, galvanizing the opposition's resolve when he kept drilling their good players.
ReplyDeleteBy the time he met the Bruins, he was tired.
Those amazing Bruins beat up the Canucks, who will now be a laughing stock team for years to come.
I'd be knee capping those goons with real bullets if I was in charge,
ReplyDeleteWould get their attention
The turning point for me as a bandwagon Boston fan is when they beat the Canucks 8-1 then 4-0 .
ReplyDeleteVancouver Canucks: 41 years of total futility, chokers of history doth they deign to inhabit that immortal chalice.
ReplyDeleteThe hilarious question tonight was when someone suggested ways for the Canucks to improve themselves, for "next time".
ReplyDeleteI'm sure it was all the refs fault.
ReplyDeleteWhat genius parks their car there, anyway?
ReplyDeleteMaybe they should add a torch to to the towel on Neilson's statue.
ReplyDeleteThe can have double legacy of whining about refs and burning things.
Just saw a news clip of the police throwing a tear gas canister in downtown Vancouver a few minutes ago.
ReplyDeleteThe canister beat Luongo high glove side.
In all seriousness though:
- For all the heat that Roberto's going to take, the Sedins should take just as much. They were an absolute non-factor this series.
- It's sad to see a few jackasses making the entire city of Vancouver look bad. I'll rain on Nuck Nation as hard as anyone, but it's a small minority of their fanbase that is "light shit on fire" stupid.
Bottom line though - I'm glad I didn't have to watch punks like Burrows and Lapierre raise the Cup. End of story.
Really wanted Lucic to go by Burrows in the handshake and stick two fingers in his face
ReplyDeleteI tried to start a riot in Smithers, but all I got was a bunch of first nations folks laughing at my white ass.
ReplyDeletePretty silly stuff down there. Alcohol-fueled douchebaggery at its finest. In all honesty though, if I paid $5000+ to watch that game, I'd wanna torch things too.
;__;
Manly tears.
Temujin
ReplyDeleteIf you do manage to get one started try to keep them away from Paul's bakery. The cinnamon bread there is amazing.
1st round picks on BOS:
ReplyDeleteHorton (3rd 2003)
Seguin (2nd 2010)
Cheers WG, I forgot about Horton. It just highlights how important your pro scouting is.
English football fans might recognise a few of the pictures coming out of Vancover. Ok, they rioted on a few occasions, but it took them decades to get rid of the stigma (which, amazingly, still exists in North America).
Hockey doesn't want to go down that dark, dark route.
As fun as it is to point out the inconsistency of LOLuongo, it was Vancouver's offense that was the problem here. JMO, but the Sedins simply did not have another gear, and Burrows spent too much time agitating and diving. It looked like they couldn't adjust to the balls-to-the-wall speed that everyone was playing, which was evidenced by how many pucks they whiffed on.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone notice how quickly Kaberle got rid of the Cup? Almost like he just didn't "get" the reason why his teammates were so excited.
NHL should take away a couple picks from the nucks over the way their fans reacted. It would be the best way to send a message to so called "hockey fans"
ReplyDeleteI think Kaberle just felt awkward. He looked genuinely happy, but it was almost as if he didn't feel like he quite belonged. Considering he came over on a 'deadline' deal as a hired gun I can understand that. Also Kaberle has always by nature been a quiet reserved guy, not one to go balls out anything.
ReplyDeleteI love the picture in the journal of 5 guys who are overturning a car. I look forward to them being charged.
ReplyDeleteCM - 100,000 fans and a few hundred (thousand?) acted like idiots - pretty normal, I would suspect.
ReplyDeleteI hope the police ask the public to share their videos of any violent or destructive acts and then go after those who were involved.
Best photo of the riots that I have seen. Looks like a movie poster
ReplyDeleteYoutube video of "fan" getting hit in the junk with a flash bang
Huffington Post slide show of riots photos
Bloody shame that the anarchists did their thing and made the headlines.
On Facebook there's a couple groups of interest... one is a group where Vancouverites can sign up to volunteer to help clean up after the riots. The other is a place where everyone can post their pictures of the riots with the intent to identify/tag the perpetrators.
ReplyDeleteFascinating new age we live in.
What a relief!!!!
ReplyDeleteNow Toonces can move on to the "Boston model???"
Vancouver is just getting some practice in for the future food riots.
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ReplyDeleteBut I think Gillis brings in a nasty bugger to ride shotgun with the Sedins and Shea Weber for his top pairing.
So they're just going to go out and acquire a top pairing first line winger with a mean streak, as well as a Norris candidate?
Two questions with regards to this:
- Where do they find the cap room (i.e. who do they trade Luongo to without taking any salary in return)?
- What do they give up in return?
I can tell you how they could theoretically accomplish one of those goals though:
- Luongo for Jeff Carter, straight up (term on contracts and cap hit is about equal).
- Convert Kesler to the Sedin's full-time RW.
They maintain the center depth and run with Schneider as their #1G.
From the comments I am reading from various websites and reaction I am hearing in the media I think we are giving far too many people a pass for the events of last night in Vancouver. The claims that the actual rioters only numbered a couple of hundred may techincally be true, but what level of culpability do the tens of thousands of 'fans' who happily filmed or photographed or watched the idiots torch and bust up their city share? I'd venture to say that the folks in the streets that watched/filmed/photographed outnumbered the idiots 100-1. I am pretty sure that if I was standing there with ten of my level headed buddies we could easily have thrown down some punk pushing over a port-a- potty. Mulitiply that course of action a hundred times by similar level headed fans and I doubt events spiral like they did last night. Vancouver was torched because Vancouverites allowed it. They watched it, filmed it, photographed it and soaked it all...Happily in most cases. The 'Hooligans' could not have caused the damage they did without tens of thousands of witnesses standing by doing nothing except tweeting and uploading images to their Facebook accounts. Disgusting.
ReplyDeleteNote to next fans in Canadian city in a SCF: if you don't want your city to burn put down your iPhone, your Lumix, your Andriod and grab a punk and shake the sh!t out of him until the cavalry comes to put zip cords around his wrists and ankles.
Woody,
ReplyDeleteNice idea in principle, but how do does the cavalry distinguish between hooligans/punks and the so called level headed guys if there are scattered bar room type brawls everywhere? And if any are armed??
http://www.realradio.fm/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=425022&article=8715092
ReplyDeleteDidn't learn much from '94 it seems.
I recognize that Edmonton had its share of losers burning down Whyte Ave in 2006, but these kinds of acts embarrass the sport, more, they embarrass the whole country.
Congratulations Boston.
the city officials need to be blamed for these riots as much as the "few" who incited them.
ReplyDeletehow do you bottle neck 100,000 irate, drunk people in your core?!! just completely ridiculous! it's like nothing (and i mean nothing) was learned during the olympics.
blaming this on the "anarchists" only is total BS. there were 1000s of losers out there acting like drunk knobs and lumping them in with "politicos" is a half-truth.
i think there was a social aspect to this, of discontent from a lower/middle class that has political and financial issues with the Vancouver "life".
Jfry: They did this because the Olympics went so well. I was downtown for a pretty good chunk of that event (including the post gold medal celebrations) and never saw anything worse than a drunken fight or two. There were some actual violent protesters the first day, but they got wrapped up pretty quickly with minimal overall damage. I think attributing this to class discontent only legitimizes the actions of drunken thugs. If you have a Canucks jersey to burn on a car fire, how bad off could you be?
ReplyDeleteWoody: I'm not in favour of the rest of the crowd going all vigilante on people, but I'm similarly disgusted by the crowd of enablers hanging out and taking photos. When someone flips a car and lights it on fire, it's time to go home. The density of the crowd provides the anonymity that the relatively small bunch of actual rioters needs. If the crowd goes home instead of taking photos for their Facebook profiles, then the police can focus on actual troublemakers instead of trying to find them in a huge crowd.
with the intent to identify/tag the perpetrators.
ReplyDeleteI hear Gary bettman's and colin Campbells pictures have been sent in.
We need a Parliamentary commision to review this.
With the league officials being called.
Since the league likes input from experienced sources (burke). K Lowe, Walkham, Bassile, Gretzky, Moyes wolud be a good start.
MattM:
ReplyDeleteYou are spot on...well said.
Ricki - man, I hope you're being sarcastic. A parliamentary committee? Really? For an issue of local law enforcement?
ReplyDeleteI have some sympathy for the police and government in this case. When that many people get together, if the "crowd mood" turns violent, you basically have two options:
1) Escalate the use of force (i.e. lots tear gas, pepper spray, selective arrests of apparent ring leaders) in the hopes of scaring casual hangers-on and intimidating the most belligerant.
2) Guide and contain the crowd, split it apart when possible. Allow for some minor property damage but break up anything that looks to be especially dangerous with the use of massed riot police formations (this is what they tried and was mostly successful in Toronto for the G20).
The problem with these options is that the second is generally better, but takes a lot more time, planning and manpower (the South Koreans do this best). Police in Canada are increasingly scared of using the first option because all it takes is one picture of a drunken idiot getting beaten down by batons or a cute girl crying from the tear gas and there's 10 years of inquiries in their future.
From the initial reports it seems that the problem was that the police didn't/couldn't commit to either of these.
Oh well, huzzah Boston.
i think there was a social aspect to this, of discontent from a lower/middle class that has political and financial issues with the Vancouver "life".
ReplyDeleteTry as I might to divine a political agenda from punks smashing things because they can within the relative anonymity of the crowd, I think that's giving them too much credit.
The reality is that professional sports subsist to a large part because of the mob/herd mentality. Most of the time, this herd mentality is actually channeled into relatively peaceful or harmless pursuits (crowd chants, fight songs, seas of white, blog communities, etc.). Unfortunately, when the emotions of the mob are particularly inflamed, it can morph into something considerably less positive.
What's particularly interesting about this latest sports riot is the fact that the ubiquity of social media and the loss of privacy associated with same doesn't seem to be mitigating this behavior. If anything, it appears to be spurring it on in some cases. It would appear our youth culture is continuing to embrace the '5 minutes of fame' mindset regardless of the ramifications.
Man, see that arrogant prick Kesler crying will never get old.
ReplyDeleteAnd Burrows pitching one last cheap shot - head-shot - at Peverly in the meaningless last minutes?
Don't ever change, baby.
In the end, the fans in the rink for G7 were great. They cheered their own crew and acknowledged some of the B's as well. So, in that respect props to that gang.
And I think the way it closed I was happier to cheer for the fact that Burrows, kessler, lunogo, bieksa and laperriere didn't get to expeerience the joy of the cup more than anything else.
I love watch the sedins play and salo and edler and erhoff and those fellows seem fine. Raymond seems like the nicest kind of a guy and I didn't like to see him get taken out; not in the least.
But it's for Burrows and Laperriere being the way they are and Kesler being arrogant and obvlious right to the goddamn end and Bieksa shooting the puck the lenght of the rink with one second left when he knows he'll be relaxed.
I'm sure that teams of jerk-offs have won in the past; but in this new era you have the choice to read enough about everyone to be able to form a decent opinion of how they are on the ice.
For those reasons this is why I find joy in those players and that team not being able to find joy.
I ask this becasue I honestly don't remember the following couple of days after the Oilers were knocked out in '06 but what kind of damage was done in edm following that loss.
ReplyDeletewe know there`s been past savagry in mtl and LA when titles have been won but what is it about van that losing brings out the absolute worst.
i watched canucks connected last night and taylor and garrett were emblematic of what I`d always heard about long time dys fans: they were sad and resigned because they never expected to win.
to me that`s like me being an expos fan where I`d most likely drink myself to sleep over a big loss; but would never think of violence.
so what am I missing.
Nothing. You're not missing a thing. I poured myself too much whiskey in '06 and probably wasn't good company for a day or so, but the idea of going downtown to be a coward in the crowd isn't on a fan's agenda imo.
ReplyDeleteSpoiled asshole kids. I sound like my Dad, but there's no other reasonable explanation. If you own something, or care for someone, then this kind of behaviour isn't an option.
Two bit heroes, I thank Al Gore for getting their faces on so many videos and photos.
Seeing a lot of praise for the fans in the building last night, and they were certainly good in many aspects... but didn't people notice all the bottles being hurled onto the ice during Bettman's speech, and even as Chara was hoisting the Cup? The cameras didn't focus on it, but you could see multiple flying object and splashes.
ReplyDeleteIt only takes a couple of morons to make a group look bad of course, but lets not give them an A+ in class either.
I miss the good old days of the Oiler Cup celebrations when the worst thing that happened was a couple cop cars getting jostled and Jasper Avenue was teeming with delirious Oiler fans and women flashing their maguppies.
ReplyDeleteAside from the fact that our teams actually won some silverware, I guess that's what separates Edmonton from Vancouver. We understand a simple tenent: boobies good, burning bad.
we know there`s been past savagry in mtl and LA when titles have been won but what is it about van that losing brings out the absolute worst.
ReplyDeleteWell, we don't have much experience to know what would happen if Vancouver actually won something, now do we?
I was there at a couple of the ''savageries'' in MTL.
ReplyDeleteIt's mainly just punks who take profit of the mass crowd to do damage. The police is overwhelmed and no one wants to get involved.
Last time they were doing shit before the game ended (which MTL won) so i'd doubt heavily these were fans.
I think the fact Vancouver has never won a major championship of any significance is a strong contributing factor in last night's rioting. Studies have shown that the mood and self esteem of many sports fans is influenced to far too great a degree by the performance of their chosen team(s).
ReplyDeleteBy way of contrast, I don't think there's any way in hell this riot occurs in Boston were the situations reversed. When your city also boasts recent championship teams like the Patriots and Sox, it's a lot easier to shrug off a disappointment of this magnitude.
Many Vancouverites suddenly felt like huge 'losers' less night and the violence on display was the physical manifestation of those emotions. Far better to go home and have some angry sex with the better half but clearly some of these guys didn't have that option available - which makes them losers on 2 fronts. lol
The people who showed up in balaclava's and with gasoline and knives and all sorts of other shit weren't there to watch the game; they were there to wreak mayhem win or lose.
ReplyDeleteBeyond that, psychologically it's very counter-intuitive to riot after a loss. Generally speaking, riots only happen after a win because of the release of testosterone... there was none of that.
But Dennis pretty much echoed my sentiments, and I have to say I'm pretty damn happy about the way it all turned out.
Check out any of the websites where they have these people posting on facebook boasting about their involvement in all of this.
ReplyDeleteLT is absolutely right. These are basically drunk asshole kids. Its nothing to do with socioeconomics. They're pretty well a bunch of soulless middle class kids wiht their expensive jerseys and IPhones and laptops out for a thrill.
The posts are hilarious. One guy talking about how he beat up a cop and flipped cars, a girl posting 'hey you know this is evidence right'.
Same mentality as the folks on twitter who were flaming Theo Fleury, keyboard warriors.
BD: The question is : How are you FB friends with those guys :P?
ReplyDeleteI've said this in a few mediums (media?) now but I think it's farce to attribute any political slant on the riot - $10 says if you asked those idiots what their political ideology was, the most common reply would be "...Jersey Shore?"
ReplyDeleteA lot of drunk, young, spoiled people sucked in to a pointless mob mentality. Lowetide, don't worry about sounding like your dad at all on this one.
Police Chief Jim Chu said nine officers were injured, including one that required 14 stitches after being hit with a brick. Another suffered a concussion and several were bitten by rioters.
ReplyDeleteI know there were a lot of Burrows jerseys downtown, but wow...
I know there were a lot of Burrows jerseys downtown, but wow...
ReplyDeleteDamn. He had an easy enough time disappearing on the ice, I didn't think he'd need all those body doubles to hide.
Just two weeks remain until July 1, when a group of players including Erik Cole, Jussi Jokinen, Chad LaRose, Joni Pitkanen and Cory Stillman will be allowed to test the open market if not re-signed by the Hurricanes. While management is not close to a deal with any of those players, it is thought to be furthest apart with Jokinen and Pitkanen, who will almost certainly begin talks with other teams next month.
ReplyDeleteWhile cautioning that he won’t close the door on any player, that has General Manager Jim Rutherford exploring options to replace the two Finns, with a trade for a power-play quarterback who can play among the top four defensemen – an immediate Pitkanen substitute - potentially quite close to completion.
“We’re talking about a couple of trades, as that may be the way we have to go where we know what contracts are going to be for next season,” he said. “We’re exchanging ideas, and something could happen any time.
Gilbert?
Piktanen and Jokinen. Two jewels.
ReplyDeleteSomething tells me the Canes will be very, very bad.
Murat and BD: Well I think there's idiots in every generations. When I see a guy in his 40-50's rolling around town with his Hummer doing 30 L per/100 KM, washing his driveway with potable water and being obsessed about his lawn, I wanna slap his shit too.
fpb: I think there are idiots in every generation.
ReplyDeleteYou're absolutely right. I wouldn't even begin to extrapolate from those drunk douchebags to the rest of what is very much my generation (J'ai 26 ans). When it comes to the rioting though, I think age is relevant - there were no 5 or 50 year olds stomping on cars. Pointless, drunk mob violence is usually the calling card of the 16-30 year old male. Just my opinion but a certain amount of privilege may also go hand in hand.
fpb - lol that's how I roll
ReplyDeletePeople took screenshots and put them up on this site. Its pretty funny shit.
As for different generations of course there are assholes in each but young dudes are young dudes. No family to take care of, quite often not settled into a career, lots of testosterone.
Can't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm sure you wouldn't be involved in that sort of shit, nor would a guy like PDO and while I was immature when I was in my 20s I wouldn't have been either.
But look at the faces of those involved and most of them were guys in their 20s. Just the way it is.
Black Dog: You left me off your list of non-rioting 20somethings. And you also said pretty much the same thing as me (but better). You trying to fuck with me?
ReplyDelete*riots*
3 reason this bullshit happened in VAN last night.
ReplyDelete1. Police
2. Police
3. Police
Not enough of them, poorly organized and too passive. There should have been dozens of them on every damn street corner before, during and after the game. And whose idea was that to let that many people watch the game from the street? You get that many drunks in one area and bad things are going to happen. Somebody should lose a job over this, in fact, many people should lose a job. But in good old sleepy B.C. they'll just have another inquiry that will take 5 years.
Full credit to those Vancouver fans who formed a ring of arms around a down-stricken Bruins fan so the police could extract him to an ambulance.
ReplyDeleteFull credit to those Van fans who showed up this morning to clean up the debris downtown as volunteers. Full credit to those who signed the apologies painted on the boarded up windows of The Bay.
Full credit to those who video'd and photo'd the offenders and provided evidence to the police.
Full credit to those who stayed and cheered their thanks to the Canucks for a valiant run. Full credit to those who cheered the vanquishers.
You are team's true fans. I tip my hat to you.
Whenever we have events that show the dark side of human nature, those same events often reveal humanity's saving graces too. Let's remember this defeat and riot for those true fans, those wonderful beings.
even when I was in my 20's, I wouldn't take to the streets to bully up.
ReplyDeleteI would just drink myself to sleep:)
and like I said, I just remember g7 06 was on a monday and the next couple of days are a blur. I was as destroyed as you can be from something that deep down in your gut you can eventually rationalize as not mattering.
Does that make sense?
and to see taylor and garret last night - even to hear hughson - it's a bunch of guys who never expect to win; they are the brooding type. but then there's these people that rip stuff up and I don't get it.
in '96 the Expos were still alive up to the last saturday. they were a game behind and the dodgers were playing at 530 and the expos are 830.
if LA won and the expos didn't then they were eliminated.
I bought 2 dozen beer and a pack of cigarettes.
I will put my expos fandom up to the age of 21 up against anything anyone felt for the Dys. So, LAD wins and the expos lose and I just head for George St and it's over.
like I said, I don't understand the mentality.
and yes, I learned there are some good fans there; though CF has a point about the bottle landing to the right of Bettman.
ReplyDeletebut as long as all the arseholes are playing for the Dys and Hughson can't rein it in and Healy and Simpson think they are somehow in the Dys ring of honor, then I'll continue to root against them.
I don't know if anyone took this on - dowbiggin took a cursory shot early on but chickened out - and maybe I should do it myself but shame on the CBC for trying to create the narrative instead of reporting on it once it developed.
if you read the bos globe and the herald - like I did - then you'd see some shady stuff too and especially from steve buckley at the herald. but those are local newspapers.
every night HNIC acted like it was a regional game; healy and simpson - especially the former - acting like Tommy heinson or Hawk Harrellson.
by the end I must admit that G7 had Hughson as the most objective of them all.
I don't recall if it's been mentioned before...but Redlines Mock Draft is out.
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I'd be very upset if McNeil was still there at #19 and we took a D.
ReplyDeleteWell, Hall may have been the first choice but Seguin is first with his name on the cup....
ReplyDelete20g 21a 41pts in the regular season and 9g 7a 16pts in the playoffs (good for 3rd on the champs) is a pretty slick rookie year.
ReplyDelete11-8-19; kid had a solid night last night.
Every mock draft says MTL will take a Coke Machine from the US in the first round. God I hope they don't.
ReplyDeletebut, let's not bury the lede here either:)
ReplyDeleteafter much hubris, all the aforementioned Dys didn't get to hoist the cup.
If the braintrust could get reliable intel that Couturier might actually slip to 8th as Redline suggests, trading Hemmer to Columbus seems like a good play.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that kind of intel exists though, so it would be a major gamble. The other possibilities at 8 aren't nearly as exciting.
No MacT in Minny. Yeo gets the job.
ReplyDeleteThat mock draft has Rick Dudley making decisions for Winnipeg, as well as BOS picking 29th and VAN 30th.
ReplyDeleteI mock that mock draft.
Mock.
Mock mock.
Smock.
What, you mean Vancouver didn't win the cup? What did I miss?
ReplyDeleteThe more and more I begin to not consider RLR at all.
ReplyDeleteI still think RLR is well worth reading, and they have good insights.
ReplyDeleteMock drafts on the other hand, whoever does them, rank up there with us internet denizens coming up with trade proposals in terms of providing interesting information.