Tuesday, June 14, 2011

How Good is Anton Lander?

This is Doug Jarvis. He was drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs on June 3, 1975; the Leafs dealt him later that same month to Montreal. I don't know how many times a team has traded a pick in the same summer they drafted him, but the two times I know about (Jarvis and Bob Bourne) the acquiring team knew something.

I often wonder what the scouting director felt like the day Jarvis was traded to Montreal. The Habs got a good scouting report on Jarvis from his junior coach--Roger Neilson--who said Jarvis was an outstanding faceoff man.
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There's a chance--a chance--Anton Lander will do more to help his teams win hockey games than some of the high draft picks who are Oilers or on the way to the city. His resume reads in a similar fashion to Jarvis (he's a solid 2-way player but his FO numbers aren't dominant--then again he was a teenager in a man's league) and he's going to get a chance to show his stuff.

The question is this: will Anton Lander match Doug Jarvis and play in the NHL as a regular at age 20?

Stu MacGregor on Lander's draft day: "Very excited about Anton. He's a player we look at as a potential second-line centre with for sure third-line ability. He's a great faceoff man, competitive at both ends of the ice. Smart, captain of the Swedish under-18 team. All of our interviews with all of the Swedish players this past year, everybody spoke extremely high of him. Their leader was Anton Lander."

Bob McKenzie:  Lander is a two-way checking forward with excellent outside speed. He can make plays at full speed and controls the puck with a lot of confidence. A very unselfish player, Lander is always aware of where his teammates are and makes good crisp passes. He is a hard working forechecker, keeping his feet moving all the time. With a strong quick release wrist shot, he often uses d-men as a screen off the offensive rush. Lander drives the net hard with and without the puck and doesn’t quit on the puck until the whistle goes. Reliable and disciplined, he brings a consistent effort to the rink every game and always improves his team’s chances of winning a game. Will adapt and play any role given by coach."

Lander's SEL career line
  • (Age 17) 47gp, 4-6-10 (.213) -2 (40.28FO%)
  • (Age 18) 49gp, 7-9-16 (.327) -2 (47.32FO%)
  • (Age 19) 49gp, 11-15-26 (.530) -13 (46.63FO%)
I don't really know what the Oilers depth chart looks like at center, but there's a good chance he makes the club. He's not exactly joining the 75-76 Habs.

21 comments:

  1. Lander reminds me a lot of a Mikko Koivu type, not sure if he'll ever be productive enough to put up as much offense, but defensively he is very sound. A fix ture as a 2nd/3rd line center for many years to come.

    As the team stands now, he has a very good chance of making the team out of TC.

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  2. I would hope he would spend at least 1/2 the season in the AHL

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  3. He's not exactly joining the 75-76 Habs

    75-76 Habs who played 60+ games

    Lafluer
    Mahovlich
    Shutt
    Cournoyer
    Lapointe
    Lambert
    Lamaire
    Savard
    Risebrough
    Robinson
    Jarvis
    Gainey
    Tremblay
    Bouchard
    Awrey
    Dryden

    Lordy.

    2010-2011 Oilers who played at least 60 games

    Eberle
    Hall
    Gagner
    Penner
    Cogliano
    MPS
    Gilbert
    Jones
    Foster
    Vandermeer
    Smid
    Fraser

    Lordy (different kind of Lordy than above)

    Given the way everyone who has coached or played with Lander talks about him, the Oiler may have a very special player here.

    Toews-like heart, if not all the skills.

    This is the kind of guy that makes fans of other teams look at who they drafted ahead of him and say "why didn't my team take him there?

    Can't wait to see him play for the Oilers.

    Hopefully its after he gets some time to figure out the NA game in the AHL.

    Won't take him long.

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  4. I'm w/Ducey and Woodguy. Let him get some time in the AHL to adjust to the NA game. If that's half a season fine, a little more so be it.

    Would think at the very least that when injuries start to mount once again that he'll be called up and show us how much he's learned (just like Hartikainen).

    If he can turn into another Jarvis or Bob Gainey I would be very, very happy.

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  5. Don't get me wrong, if Vandevelde or Fraser, perhaps even Brule, prove to be better than Lander during TC, than by all means, but I don't think they will be.

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  6. Don't get me wrong, if Vandevelde or Fraser, perhaps even Brule, prove to be better than Lander during TC, than by all means, but I don't think they will be.

    I doubt the beat him out either, but it would be easier for him to learn the intricacies of the smaller ice against AHLers rather than NHLers.

    They should put him there for his own good, he won't have to be there long.

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  7. How many bottom 6 players do the Oilers need?

    About 47 at last count.

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  8. "How many bottom 6 players do the Oilers need?

    About 47 at last count."

    6 good ones.

    Lander is the type of player that 30 NHL team want. We don't have 47 of those guys.

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  9. Blogger Traktor said...

    "How many bottom 6 players do the Oilers need?

    About 47 at last count."

    6 good ones.

    Lander is the type of player that 30 NHL team want. We don't have 47 of those guys.


    Bottom 6 centres:

    Horcoff
    Gagner
    Cogliano
    Brule
    Vandevelde
    Lander
    Pitlick
    Kytnar

    How many is too many?

    Adding a top 6 centre in RNH just makes the log jam worse.

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  10. Bottom 6 centres:

    Horcoff
    Gagner
    Cogliano
    Brule
    Vandevelde
    Lander
    Pitlick
    Kytnar

    How many is too many?


    If you consider all those players have a chance to be an effective Actual NHL player, then your standards are slipping.

    Pitlick will be on the wing (like he was in MedHat, Lander has a good chance to be one, Horcoff is one. Gagner has a chance, but as a 2C, and will probably end up on the wing too. Cogliano won't be a C long term either.

    So, 2.

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  11. Last 15 years of top 19 year old seasons in SEL.
    Lander .49 10/11
    Kruger .82 09/10
    Eller .60 08/09
    Backstrom .89 07/08
    p. hornquist .69 06/07
    L. erisckson .36 (.46) 04/05
    r. nilsson .26 (.34)04/05
    J. franson .19 (.24)04/05
    A. steen .50 03/04
    F. nielson .36 03/04
    lundquist .57 01/02
    h. sedin .94 99
    d. sedin .90 99
    Pauhlson .36 96

    there seams to be three ranges.
    - .6 under
    - .6 to .8
    - .8 up

    the first group averages 1.1pt per .01ppg rate @ 19

    which makes lander a potential 55 point guy.

    we concentrate on lander two way game.

    But his production history still translates to a post lockout center rank of 33 for points.

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  12. Hey DSF

    At least we do not have a goaler making 10% of our salary cap shitting himself in a pressure game. Big game players play the best in big games...... How again did that work out yesterday?

    Worry that Lander is winning 47% in face off circle without noticeable improvement in 3 years. Hope he can improve 7 or 8 %

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  13. the last two years would be top 30 (first line) so a potential 24g 31A guy at 23. with a strong two way game.

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  14. Cogliano will be dealt, probably to Ottawa.

    Outside of that, I see a whole lot of wingers on that list, and a lot of guys who will be playing in OKC.

    The troll even went to the trouble of including Kytnar.

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  15. Given his incredible 22 points in 26 games for Mark Arcobello, he maybe could crack a spot on the lineup.

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  16. Hartikainen-Lander-Landeskog?

    From the descriptions of the players and what we've seen, this could be a hell of a combo for many years if they deliver.

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  17. He was drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs on June 3, 1975; the Leafs dealt him later that same month to Montreal. I don't know how many times a team has traded a pick in the same summer they drafted him, but the two times I know about (Jarvis and Bob Bourne) the acquiring team knew something.

    I didn't learn this until tonight, but turns out Ken Dryden was traded to Montreal moments after being selected, by Boston, in 1964. Dryden was not informed until the mid-70's.

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2009/8/21/997368/habs-robbed-bruins-of-dryden

    Fascinating.

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  18. How good is Lander?

    Not very right now, he's just a kid.

    One thing we know for sure: he's not Jarvis, Gainey or Carbonneau. Not in the face-off dot.

    However Lowe-bellini is very excited about him. So that tells you something. Despite having a good camp, he was left off Sweden's WHC team. He doesn't seem to score a lot of points, so one hopes he can check.

    Do we have a Marty Reasoner? Maybe, but it might take years. Marty wasn't too shit hot at the start of his career. It would be foolish to expect Lander to enter the league and be a shutdown C. AHL and then 4th line unless he blows everyone away at TC.

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  19. I think Lars Eller should be about what we can expect from Lander for the time being. At least until he can get his feet wet and adjust to the game over here.

    Note that it didn't hurt Eller to spend some time in the AHL either.

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  20. I'd rather look for a vet - I know, I know - and let this kid get his feet wet in the A.

    It looks like Pitlick's gonna be a winger, right?, so it means Lander's the great white hope in terms of a checking centre.

    I am as excited about this fellow as the next guy but I wish we just fucking stopped throwing people the wolves.

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  21. I have always thought of Steen as a good comp for Lander. Same draft range, very similar scoring rates and career progression. Came to N.A. with a "solid two way player" reputation.

    If he continues to develop in the Steen mold I for one would be very happy. Never flashy but the type of player that helps a team in many ways.

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