From NHL_Oilers: Taylor Hall has a left high ankle sprain which requires 8 weeks to heal, therefore he will be sidelined for the remainder of the season.
Well, I guess that's what "manning up" in a pointless fight in a pointless game gets you. Let's hope he ignores all the "character" talk and learns something from this incident, even if he isn't reading the about what fighting did to Bob Probert's brain.
Nothing was accomplished (he was schooled in a fight then hurt) and he's lost 20 games of development time. To characterize that as anything but incredibly poor judgement is celebrating the base side of our game.
8 weeks takes him to the middle of May and that will give him plenty of time to start his training for the 2012 season.
It's fortunate it didn't happen in the middle of a playoff season but 4 could probably get hurt again the next two years and that still likely wouldn't be the case.
the kid's so rough and tumble that it's odd how when he does get dinged it's not from a bodycheck.
St George said... Well, I guess that's what "manning up" in a pointless fight in a pointless game gets you. Let's hope he ignores all the "character" talk and learns something from this incident, even if he isn't reading the about what fighting did to Bob Probert's brain.
Nothing was accomplished (he was schooled in a fight then hurt) and he's lost 20 games of development time. To characterize that as anything but incredibly poor judgement is celebrating the base side of our game.
The kid is 19 years old and plays with a fire very few other players in the NHL yet alone the Oilers posses. Asking him to contain that emotion at such a young age is unrealistic. I don't know about you, but I did a few things that I regret when I was 19, you are simply not the same person at 19 that you are in the prime of your career. After watching more than a few Oiler games where the team stood there and acted without a backbone I wouldn't dream of critiquing Taylor for that decision. He said himself that he is big enough to stick up for himself. It has worked so far for Iginla.
Sure it was bad luck, but shit happens, what are you going to do about it? People will either complain that he plays with reckless abandon or complain that he plays like Nilsson. We can't have it both ways.
And this is why I think it's practical to teach your stars how to fight instead of hiring goons to protect them (that don't play enough minutes to be effective NHLers).
Teaching Hall to fight isn't an endorsement to fighting, it just means he will know how to avoid getting hurt when such situations arise.
The kid is 19 years old and plays with a fire very few other players in the NHL yet alone the Oilers posses. Asking him to contain that emotion at such a young age is unrealistic.
He's getting paid enough that we can legitimately ask him not to punch people who piss him off. In fact, a little known provision of the Criminal Code imposes that expectation on all Canadians, including 19 year olds.
He said himself that he is big enough to stick up for himself. It has worked so far for Iginla.
I'd much rather he approached the game like Super Mario, Joe Sakic, Stevie Y, or the like.
Let's not kid ourselves - he lost the fight badly last night, even before he hurt his ankle. There's absolutely no deterrent when you start a fight and then lose like that. If anything, he's just encouraged the opposition to hack and slash, since he has demonstrated he will come unglued. From my perspective, there was nothing positive that came out of last night.
SumOil: I think I said 20-20-40 in about 75 games so it isn't really that close. I'll say this: he's WAY better than I thought he'd be. Outstanding young player.
i can't believe how many people are complaining that we have a guy that can realisticaly be compare to a player like iginla...and he's only 19.
this kid is going to be a beast, and you're trying to muzzle him? just doesn't make sense to me.
i believe that's called the pansification of hockey, to quote milbury. next thing you know, messier will be making helmets that protect against flying elbows... oh wait.
He's getting paid enough that we can legitimately ask him not to punch people who piss him off. In fact, a little known provision of the Criminal Code imposes that expectation on all Canadians, including 19 year olds.
This made me laugh. Quick, someone alert the gendarme: there's a hockey fight breaking out!
What would be a reasonable comparison for the guys like Petry and Plante?
I've been thinking Petry could be a Niklas Kronwall type, who plays good defense along with decent offensive skill.
Plante has eluded me a bit. He has a lot of different skills though his offensive ability is not as good as Petry's. I'm thinking a poor man's Seabrook?
Plante has some mobility issues and I don't think he's going to give much offensively in the NHL. He's closest to Peckham imo among the Oilers defensemen.
Petry is Tom Gilbert imo, but whenever I say that people get mad. :-) I think that's a very good player.
He's getting paid enough that we can legitimately ask him not to punch people who piss him off.
On that same note he is also being paid enough that he should be able to do his job without having to worry about 4th line plugs taking runs at him. We either protect the 'investment' or be willing to accept what happens when the 'investment' decides he needs to do something about it.
Ultimately I would rather deal with Hall potentially hurting himself and playing like Taylor Hall then watching someone like Jason Spezza and just hoping that he even cares.
In fact, a little known provision of the Criminal Code imposes that expectation on all Canadians, including 19 year olds.
Is that why SMAC never does his job? I guess they must wait until the players are finished changing before they arrest them. Would be a little uncomfortable sitting at the station in all that gear.
You can't possibly get beaked as much as me because I own and wear a Gilbert jersey. I try to alternate with my Visnovsky jersey. Time to invest in something other than defensemen, methinks.
Also, I think Petry is more physical than Gilbert and he'd have a lot to do before he can block shots the way Gilbert does.
I feel that Peckham is a decent skater who gets caught more often because of a tendency to try to land big hits rather than not being able to skate. But that's just my opinion.
Chopper would have at least picked a fight with him and then "accidentally" fall to the ice.
I know Taylor Hall said he was sick of people taking shots on him and he wanted to take a stand on his own but I bet Tyler Seguin over in Boston doesn't have to drop the mitts to stop opposing players from taking liberties.
This club is a bunch of pansies and what's even more depressing is when management brings over a tough as nails character player s like Teubert there's a bunch of fans already dissing him because he doesn't play with a girdle.
I thought that the main criticism of Teubert was not his physicality but rather his defensive zone knowledge?
You say that as if preventing the puck from going into the net is somehow relevant to a defenseman's job. Don't you ever listen to Traktor? Or the chorus of Warren Zevon songs?
(I hope nobody put a logie in the beef chow mein before that werewolf got to it.)
The reason big Smac can't do his job is because he can't play hockey.
To actually be an effective enforcer you have to be able to do more than skate and throw punches - you have to be able to play on the same line as the guy you're trying to protect, in my opinion.
Anything else is just orchestrated violence or retaliatory violence.
If you really want to nip it in the bud, invest in agitators who can score on the EVs/PP.
@Steve Smith:
I sense you're being sarcastic about Traktor, but I have no idea why. And the reference also eludes me.
I sense you're being sarcastic about Traktor, but I have no idea why.
Because he "demonstrates" that Dustin Brown is far superior to Dustin Penner by citing hit totals. They're not defensemen, of course, but the underlying thinking is the same. Same reason people hate Gilbert.
Probably, it will ever be thus. Mais on peut rever.
Ah, I see. If you're Cal Clutterbuck it matters, but if you're Penner not so much. It's hard not to admit that Brown is the superior of the two Dustins though hits would probably not be my primary category of consideration.
Penner has a hard shot that he never uses. It's a shame.
I think they forgot about the puck-moving defensemen. At some point in the rebuild we have to bring in a Pronger, Lidstrom, Keith, Seabrook or whatever type of defensemen.
Whitney is a GREAT d-man but he won't be that guy for us 4-5 years down the road. Probably more of a 2nd pairing veteran.
This club is a bunch of pansies and what's even more depressing is when management brings over a tough as nails character player s like Teubert there's a bunch of fans already dissing him because he doesn't play with a girdle.
No, its because he seems to have trouble with the professional level of hockey and was traded for a guy who excelled at it.
Based on what? He is +7 as a 20 year old in the AHL.
You could also say he has the 5th best +/- of all Manchester Dmen.
Traktor is the king of context.
The wonderboy Jeff Petry is -4 in the AHL and he is 3 years older than Teubert.
He has close to the same number of pro games and is on a much more inferior team, and has played the toughest opponent according to his coach unlike Teubert who has not played toughs according to his coach in Manchester.
It's pathetic that Hall felt compelled to fight a nothing player in a nothing game. And, remember, Grapes says no one ever got hurt in a hockey fight. I'd say Hall's chances of ever scoring 50 goals in an NHL season pretty much went up in smoke. I sure as he'll wouldn't bet on it now.
Who the hell is Craig Button I dont see how Huberdeau is aboce Strome and Couturier. Also no matter how many times I see RNh #1. I am rooting for Larsson/Landeskog/Couturier
As far as I can tell he drafted Krahn, Nystom and Kobasew in the first round.
His drafting record speaks for itself.
Went to the Oil Kings game tonight. Tyler Bunz looked pretty good. He has decent size and came up with a ton of big saves. He handles the puck very well.
Pelss also has improved a lot from earlier in the season.
Visnovski's season thus far might garner a Norris nomination. I get the argument he's not a good fit with the Hall cluster, but even with his cap hit, is it reasonable to ask if the Oilers sold low? I like Whitney fine and hindsight is a crutch for the unimaginative, but can one make the case Oilers management is consistently undervaluing incumbent assets?
Bohologo: of course they don't value incumbent assets, they don't value hockey players properly across the board.
I understood the Whitney deal as taking a lesser player in return but one who is slightly cheaper and better fits the team demographic. However, now that the team demographic has shifted further another 4-6 years making Whitney a dinosaur in the process, I'm not sure the deal has any redeeming value anymore. On top of all that, Whitney's injury concerns are real and serious. I doubt he ever gets over this stuff. Chronic injuries are killer.
Whitney's a nice player, but he's no Visnovsky and he's bound to be hurt all the time.
Disappointing to be sure. Best we can hope is that he has a 100% recovery. Bad sprains can linger for years.
Well that fits right into the timeline for when this team wants to win again. Was probably already part of THE-PLAN to keep the contracts down. G-E-N-I-U-S.
Traktor said... This club is a bunch of pansies and what's even more depressing is when management brings over a tough as nails character player s like Teubert there's a bunch of fans already dissing him because he doesn't play with a girdle. --- Highly doubt that's the reason people are dissing the trade Traktor. The kid's tough. Nobody's debating that, or saying that's a bad thing.
Thing is, short of repeating the Smid experiment and rushing the kid by a ton, Teubert is a few years away from contributing in an Oiler jersey. Toughness on OKC does nothing to help out the Oilers today. Something that would: a big forward skilled enough to play on the top line. Like that 25 guy in LA. Yeah, that would help with team toughness today. And next year. We should get a guy like that. --- nalitcha: the chances that Traktor will ever bother with a scintilla of context instead of framing an argument in outrageously skewed terms
RQ's point above is the really important item imo. If you're trading Penner for futures, then why are you retaining Hemsky or Whitney or Gilbert?
It is a good point. I expect Tambo would listen to offers on Gilbert. The return just wasn't worth trading him. I doubt a lot of teams would be interested in taking on a long term contract at the deadline.
Hemsky will presumably be traded this summer - assuming someone wants him given his latest injury.
LT I completely expect Hemsky to be traded at some point of time. I think Dennis made a very good point a couple of days ago reading between the lines from the ST interview and what he said about trading hemsky. Also I think ST has been listening to offers about Gilbert and they just have been terrible or non existent.
@ Ducey
I think both Visnovsky and Whitney were performing at a much higher than expected rate, albiet Whitney more than Visnovsky. On ice sh% Visnovsky:10.57 Whitney 12.50 Also on ice sv% visnovsky .906 Whitney .935. Whitney is going to have a huge drop-off in production and even traditional +/-. And it wont be due to injury
There's no better puck-moving defenseman in the pipeline than Voynov, who has established himself as one of the premier producers from the blue line in the AHL. Voynov is among the league leaders in goals (12) and points (40) from a defenseman as well.
Still, it's telling that Voynov has yet to make his NHL debut while Jake Muzzin stuck with the Kings out of training camp this year just months removed from junior hockey, and that Alec Martinez was the team's first callup from Manchester when Muzzin faltered. Though Voynov has almost three full years of North American professional hockey under his belt, his game isn't quite at the NHL level yet.
His offensive talents would be a welcome addition to the Kings blue line, but he'd be a liability in the Kings defense-first system without further refinement. The Kings risk losing Voynov to the KHL this summer if they continue to take the ultra-patient route with him but should he show a willingness to stick around, he's a future bottom-four NHL blueliner who can quarterback a top unit powerplay.
he's a future bottom-four NHL blueliner who can quarterback a top unit powerplay.
So he could turn into Goligoski, who could get your Neal.
Much prefer that than what they got.
Its not that I dislike Teubert. Now that he's an Oiler I really hope he blossoms, but if he progresses to his ceiling, he is still an asset that is reasonable easy to get.
Hemsky, Eberle and Hall were all injured while playing with a guy that Traktor criticizes.
Keep Traktor's voodoo pins as far away from Shawn Horcoff as possible.
Or maybe we should give Traktor the red rubber ball/leather toque treatment next season, and see if the team's injury jinx finally goes away.
And even if it doesn't work in the first 82 games, _everyone_ will be voting for a larger sample size.
Makes me wonder, which does the average male want more: sample size or sampler size?
Most aggressive nineteen year old males are wired to coarse calibrate "oh shit". Inevitable. Better a brawler than a Suzuki GSX-R1000. If the choice is between on the ice and off the ice, I have no complaints.
WG I think Niskanen was included so as to get rid of salary. They overpair for him and wanted someone else to break bank. And power forwards like Neal are not that easy to find either. But I guess Dallas thinks Benn can take care of it ..soo good on ya JN.
My question to Tyler Dellow: I know his reasons for picking a team like Blackpool and cheering for it in Premiere league. So what will he do if Blackpool gets relegated? pick another team next year? So why not pick a team like Everton/Aston Villa ot Tottenham?
Well I for one believe that mcIlrath went too high. And probably wasnt a 1st round talent. Scouts/fans were hoping that his offensive game will take off and it hasnt. Based solely on how his career has gone so far, Tuebert > McIlrath. Maybe things will change and he does defy odds, until then he is a suspect top 10 pick
Before we see this become a narrative for people who don't read everything that they can or should, it's important to state that the Oilers didn't ask 27 if he wanted to resign so they had no reason to think that he wouldn't.
LT: I said a couple of days ago that both 77 and 83 are likely to be dealt. I think the Oilers are hellbent for the lottery in 2012 and probably aren't interested in contending in 2013 either.
As for why they keep 6? Well, he's positively Christly and he doesn't have injury concerns so I imagine they'll keep him.
SO: interesting dig on those sv pct numbers. I know early on 77 was pretty much matching him in terms of scoring chance but 6's counting stats were blowing his out of the water. So that makes a little more sense now if why there's such a divide in the counting stats.
Disappointing to be sure. Best we can hope is that he has a 100% recovery. Bad sprains can linger for years.
ReplyDeletebutsto
It's an omen!
At least it's at the end of the season.
ReplyDeleteSucks for sure but this really should cement last place. I would rather watch Hall though....
ReplyDeleteJust when you thought you could care less........
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess that's what "manning up" in a pointless fight in a pointless game gets you. Let's hope he ignores all the "character" talk and learns something from this incident, even if he isn't reading the about what fighting did to Bob Probert's brain.
ReplyDeleteNothing was accomplished (he was schooled in a fight then hurt) and he's lost 20 games of development time. To characterize that as anything but incredibly poor judgement is celebrating the base side of our game.
8 weeks takes him to the middle of May and that will give him plenty of time to start his training for the 2012 season.
ReplyDeleteIt's fortunate it didn't happen in the middle of a playoff season but 4 could probably get hurt again the next two years and that still likely wouldn't be the case.
the kid's so rough and tumble that it's odd how when he does get dinged it's not from a bodycheck.
welcome to the Oilers luck, young man,
Talk of omens, prayers - I said Oilers were leading us on the shining path to Katz's wallet...err somewhere really enlightened.
ReplyDeleteWith Hall out I imagine they'll draft 160 pound Nugent-Hopkins and next October, after he dazzles us in the pre-season keep him up with the big club.
Teemu?
ReplyDeleteReright- to be right twice.
Hemsky, Eberle and Hall were all injured while playing on a line with Horcoff.
ReplyDeleteKeep Shawn Horcoff as far away from the club as possible.
lol traktor
ReplyDeleteTraktor, are you satirizing yourself, are satirizing somebody satirizing you? It can be hard to tell.
ReplyDeleteI'll bet Traktor's a fan of Mayan basketball.
ReplyDeleteSt George said...
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess that's what "manning up" in a pointless fight in a pointless game gets you. Let's hope he ignores all the "character" talk and learns something from this incident, even if he isn't reading the about what fighting did to Bob Probert's brain.
Nothing was accomplished (he was schooled in a fight then hurt) and he's lost 20 games of development time. To characterize that as anything but incredibly poor judgement is celebrating the base side of our game.
The kid is 19 years old and plays with a fire very few other players in the NHL yet alone the Oilers posses. Asking him to contain that emotion at such a young age is unrealistic. I don't know about you, but I did a few things that I regret when I was 19, you are simply not the same person at 19 that you are in the prime of your career. After watching more than a few Oiler games where the team stood there and acted without a backbone I wouldn't dream of critiquing Taylor for that decision. He said himself that he is big enough to stick up for himself. It has worked so far for Iginla.
Sure it was bad luck, but shit happens, what are you going to do about it? People will either complain that he plays with reckless abandon or complain that he plays like Nilsson. We can't have it both ways.
And this is why I think it's practical to teach your stars how to fight instead of hiring goons to protect them (that don't play enough minutes to be effective NHLers).
ReplyDeleteTeaching Hall to fight isn't an endorsement to fighting, it just means he will know how to avoid getting hurt when such situations arise.
The kid is 19 years old and plays with a fire very few other players in the NHL yet alone the Oilers posses. Asking him to contain that emotion at such a young age is unrealistic.
ReplyDeleteHe's getting paid enough that we can legitimately ask him not to punch people who piss him off. In fact, a little known provision of the Criminal Code imposes that expectation on all Canadians, including 19 year olds.
If Hall is going to fight occasionally, then he has to get off-ice fight training during the summer, so he learns how to protect himself in a fight.
ReplyDeleteFighting is a skill that not only requires courage, but training.
He said himself that he is big enough to stick up for himself. It has worked so far for Iginla.
ReplyDeleteI'd much rather he approached the game like Super Mario, Joe Sakic, Stevie Y, or the like.
Let's not kid ourselves - he lost the fight badly last night, even before he hurt his ankle. There's absolutely no deterrent when you start a fight and then lose like that. If anything, he's just encouraged the opposition to hack and slash, since he has demonstrated he will come unglued. From my perspective, there was nothing positive that came out of last night.
@godot10
ReplyDeleteI agree 120%, breaking the former record of 110.
The news this week in Oil Country just gets better and better.
ReplyDeleteSt George:
ReplyDeleteIronic your using English warrior symbolism, while arguing against fighting.
Hockey condones fighting. Even in Russia these days it's considered a part of the overall sporting event.
Does this mean Skinner gets the Calder?
ReplyDeletethis means that Lowetide will be bang on with his reasonable expectations! How much did you pay the doc LT?
ReplyDeletepight: shitty plight of oiler fans
Colten Teubert scored for OKC this evening.
ReplyDeleteSumOil: I think I said 20-20-40 in about 75 games so it isn't really that close. I'll say this: he's WAY better than I thought he'd be. Outstanding young player.
ReplyDeleteI think the Kings will come back looking for more now.
ReplyDelete@LT: I have my fingers crossed that Colten Teubert will be the next Jason Smith. I pattern my own game after Smith.
ReplyDeleteMy hope was that Peckham would be the next Smith but he seems to be more of a Darius Kasparitis than a Smith, which is ok too.
raventalon40: That's probably a better comp than Greene in terms of size. Jason Smith was 6.03, 208 and Teubert is 6.04, 195.
ReplyDeleteMatt Greene is 6.03, 237.
i can't believe how many people are complaining that we have a guy that can realisticaly be compare to a player like iginla...and he's only 19.
ReplyDeletethis kid is going to be a beast, and you're trying to muzzle him? just doesn't make sense to me.
i believe that's called the pansification of hockey, to quote milbury. next thing you know, messier will be making helmets that protect against flying elbows... oh wait.
He's getting paid enough that we can legitimately ask him not to punch people who piss him off. In fact, a little known provision of the Criminal Code imposes that expectation on all Canadians, including 19 year olds.
ReplyDeleteThis made me laugh. Quick, someone alert the gendarme: there's a hockey fight breaking out!
What would be a reasonable comparison for the guys like Petry and Plante?
ReplyDeleteI've been thinking Petry could be a Niklas Kronwall type, who plays good defense along with decent offensive skill.
Plante has eluded me a bit. He has a lot of different skills though his offensive ability is not as good as Petry's. I'm thinking a poor man's Seabrook?
Plante has some mobility issues and I don't think he's going to give much offensively in the NHL. He's closest to Peckham imo among the Oilers defensemen.
ReplyDeletePetry is Tom Gilbert imo, but whenever I say that people get mad. :-) I think that's a very good player.
He'll be back in time for the Conference Finals!!!
ReplyDeleteHe's getting paid enough that we can legitimately ask him not to punch people who piss him off.
ReplyDeleteOn that same note he is also being paid enough that he should be able to do his job without having to worry about 4th line plugs taking runs at him. We either protect the 'investment' or be willing to accept what happens when the 'investment' decides he needs to do something about it.
Ultimately I would rather deal with Hall potentially hurting himself and playing like Taylor Hall then watching someone like Jason Spezza and just hoping that he even cares.
In fact, a little known provision of the Criminal Code imposes that expectation on all Canadians, including 19 year olds.
Is that why SMAC never does his job? I guess they must wait until the players are finished changing before they arrest them. Would be a little uncomfortable sitting at the station in all that gear.
LT - Petry is Gilbert; with a touch of Joni's puck-taking ability. Great combo.
ReplyDeletePetry is Gilbert with some idea what to do in the defensive zone as a rookie.
ReplyDelete2 deadlines from now he should replace Gilbert.
@LMHF & LT:
ReplyDeleteYou can't possibly get beaked as much as me because I own and wear a Gilbert jersey. I try to alternate with my Visnovsky jersey. Time to invest in something other than defensemen, methinks.
Also, I think Petry is more physical than Gilbert and he'd have a lot to do before he can block shots the way Gilbert does.
I feel that Peckham is a decent skater who gets caught more often because of a tendency to try to land big hits rather than not being able to skate. But that's just my opinion.
@Rick: Lidstrom is not physical, he's just effective.
ReplyDeleteI think Gilbert is effective, people just confuse physical = effective.
That's why I think Ladislav Smid is slightly overrated.
steve smyth:
ReplyDeleteGator would have messed up Dorsett.
Chopper would have at least picked a fight with him and then "accidentally" fall to the ice.
I know Taylor Hall said he was sick of people taking shots on him and he wanted to take a stand on his own but I bet Tyler Seguin over in Boston doesn't have to drop the mitts to stop opposing players from taking liberties.
This club is a bunch of pansies and what's even more depressing is when management brings over a tough as nails character player s like Teubert there's a bunch of fans already dissing him because he doesn't play with a girdle.
So, in answer to my earlier question, you're parodying yourself, then?
ReplyDeleteRT - No Gilbert jersey for me; but if people believe Tom Gilbert is central to the difficulties of this team; they're not worth bothering with.
ReplyDeleteThey fall into the same category as SHHHOOOOOTTTT! guy/gal for me.
@Traktor:
ReplyDeleteI thought that the main criticism of Teubert was not his physicality but rather his defensive zone knowledge?
At least that's what I gathered.
Looked fine to me at the WJC's, but that's not the NHL.
I thought that the main criticism of Teubert was not his physicality but rather his defensive zone knowledge?
ReplyDeleteYou say that as if preventing the puck from going into the net is somehow relevant to a defenseman's job. Don't you ever listen to Traktor? Or the chorus of Warren Zevon songs?
(I hope nobody put a logie in the beef chow mein before that werewolf got to it.)
Well time to sell the rest of tickets. Not worth watching anymore without Hall.
ReplyDelete@Adam:
ReplyDeleteThe reason big Smac can't do his job is because he can't play hockey.
To actually be an effective enforcer you have to be able to do more than skate and throw punches - you have to be able to play on the same line as the guy you're trying to protect, in my opinion.
Anything else is just orchestrated violence or retaliatory violence.
If you really want to nip it in the bud, invest in agitators who can score on the EVs/PP.
@Steve Smith:
I sense you're being sarcastic about Traktor, but I have no idea why. And the reference also eludes me.
I sense you're being sarcastic about Traktor, but I have no idea why.
ReplyDeleteBecause he "demonstrates" that Dustin Brown is far superior to Dustin Penner by citing hit totals. They're not defensemen, of course, but the underlying thinking is the same. Same reason people hate Gilbert.
Probably, it will ever be thus. Mais on peut rever.
Ah, I see. If you're Cal Clutterbuck it matters, but if you're Penner not so much. It's hard not to admit that Brown is the superior of the two Dustins though hits would probably not be my primary category of consideration.
ReplyDeletePenner has a hard shot that he never uses. It's a shame.
http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=555054&navid=DL|EDM|home
ReplyDeleteI think they forgot about the puck-moving defensemen. At some point in the rebuild we have to bring in a Pronger, Lidstrom, Keith, Seabrook or whatever type of defensemen.
Whitney is a GREAT d-man but he won't be that guy for us 4-5 years down the road. Probably more of a 2nd pairing veteran.
ReplyDeleteThis club is a bunch of pansies and what's even more depressing is when management brings over a tough as nails character player s like Teubert there's a bunch of fans already dissing him because he doesn't play with a girdle.
No, its because he seems to have trouble with the professional level of hockey and was traded for a guy who excelled at it.
Colten Teubert scored for OKC this evening.
Sample Size!@
Blind squirrels and nuts!!
Argle Bargle!!
My musk makes my wife "ovate"
Craig Button's top 30 prospects for the 2011 Draft
ReplyDeleteTop 5
RNH
Landeskog
Larsson
Huberdeau
Murphy
Couterier is 6th
No idea how credible Mr. Button is in this regards, but his top 5 are "ratic"
"No, its because he seems to have trouble with the professional level of hockey."
ReplyDeleteBased on what? He is +7 as a 20 year old in the AHL.
The wonderboy Jeff Petry is -4 in the AHL and he is 3 years older than Teubert.
Maybe we should give up Petry and our 1st for Ryder. He's usually good for 20 goals a year.
Based on what? He is +7 as a 20 year old in the AHL.
ReplyDeleteYou could also say he has the 5th best +/- of all Manchester Dmen.
Traktor is the king of context.
The wonderboy Jeff Petry is -4 in the AHL and he is 3 years older than Teubert.
He has close to the same number of pro games and is on a much more inferior team, and has played the toughest opponent according to his coach unlike Teubert who has not played toughs according to his coach in Manchester.
belip
I actually thought of a more apt comparison for Teubert than Smith: Derian Hatcher.
ReplyDeleteI think Tubey's skating will prove to be better though.
The other new kid (Montgomery) scored as well for OKC.
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ReplyDeleteTraktor:
ReplyDeleteYou hated Kassian, no? A bigger Pouliot or some such?
Scratch that... that was Glennie.
ReplyDeleteWas an honest question though.
Well, that sucks, I guess we can pretty much give up on the hopes of making the playoffs now.
ReplyDelete@ LT...i remembered 72 games so..yeah but 22-20 and 20-20 is pretty darn close eh!
ReplyDeleteIt's pathetic that Hall felt compelled to fight a nothing player in a nothing game. And, remember, Grapes says no one ever got hurt in a hockey fight.
ReplyDeleteI'd say Hall's chances of ever scoring 50 goals in an NHL season pretty much went up in smoke. I sure as he'll wouldn't bet on it now.
Now we're down to O.P.E.
ReplyDeleteSeems appropriate.
Who the hell is Craig Button
ReplyDeleteI dont see how Huberdeau is aboce Strome and Couturier.
Also no matter how many times I see RNh #1. I am rooting for Larsson/Landeskog/Couturier
Also I lol at Peumpel at 8. He has been good with scoring, but other things not so much. Also this season ending injury.....
ReplyDeleteVisnovsky with a hat-trick tonight.
ReplyDeleteReally would have been nice if the team did well, and gave him incentive to stay here.
@ PunjabiOil
ReplyDeleteI was going to post the same thing!
Who the hell is Craig Button
ReplyDelete~He is university educated so he must be smart~
As far as I can tell he drafted Krahn, Nystom and Kobasew in the first round.
His drafting record speaks for itself.
Went to the Oil Kings game tonight. Tyler Bunz looked pretty good. He has decent size and came up with a ton of big saves. He handles the puck very well.
Pelss also has improved a lot from earlier in the season.
Button is the Milbury of scouts.
ReplyDeleteWas really bad then tought he was a reference somehow.
Visnovski's season thus far might garner a Norris nomination. I get the argument he's not a good fit with the Hall cluster, but even with his cap hit, is it reasonable to ask if the Oilers sold low? I like Whitney fine and hindsight is a crutch for the unimaginative, but can one make the case Oilers management is consistently undervaluing incumbent assets?
ReplyDeleteComanki = Comanche/Japanese fusion cuisine
Bohologo: You're a bit harsh.
ReplyDeleteVisnovsky's numbers are probably a bit inflated because they have no one else to play on the blue.
Whitney had a fine season, and looked like a N1 NHL young NHL defenseman.
Speaking of "consistently undervaluing incumbent assets", Glencross now has 21 goals and 36 points. The Oilers really are the facepalm of the NHL.
ReplyDeleteDavid: Yeah like Gilbert Brule last year y'a know.
ReplyDeleteYa good thing the oilers ignored glencross and wouldnt pay him 1.5 mill, and went after hossa and his 17 goals to give him 9mill per year for 9 years
ReplyDeleteBohologo: of course they don't value incumbent assets, they don't value hockey players properly across the board.
ReplyDeleteI understood the Whitney deal as taking a lesser player in return but one who is slightly cheaper and better fits the team demographic. However, now that the team demographic has shifted further another 4-6 years making Whitney a dinosaur in the process, I'm not sure the deal has any redeeming value anymore. On top of all that, Whitney's injury concerns are real and serious. I doubt he ever gets over this stuff. Chronic injuries are killer.
Whitney's a nice player, but he's no Visnovsky and he's bound to be hurt all the time.
Disappointing to be sure. Best we can hope is that he has a 100% recovery. Bad sprains can linger for years.
ReplyDeleteWell that fits right into the timeline for when this team wants to win again. Was probably already part of THE-PLAN to keep the contracts down. G-E-N-I-U-S.
till_horcoff_is_coach: Gold!
ReplyDeleteTraktor said...
This club is a bunch of pansies and what's even more depressing is when management brings over a tough as nails character player s like Teubert there's a bunch of fans already dissing him because he doesn't play with a girdle.
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Highly doubt that's the reason people are dissing the trade Traktor. The kid's tough. Nobody's debating that, or saying that's a bad thing.
Thing is, short of repeating the Smid experiment and rushing the kid by a ton, Teubert is a few years away from contributing in an Oiler jersey. Toughness on OKC does nothing to help out the Oilers today. Something that would: a big forward skilled enough to play on the top line. Like that 25 guy in LA. Yeah, that would help with team toughness today. And next year. We should get a guy like that.
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nalitcha: the chances that Traktor will ever bother with a scintilla of context instead of framing an argument in outrageously skewed terms
Guess who has Visnosvky in his fantasy pool.
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RQ's point above is the really important item imo. If you're trading Penner for futures, then why are you retaining Hemsky or Whitney or Gilbert?
ReplyDeleteLT- I think you keep them for leadership purposes and because unlike Penner you suspect they will re-sign here.
ReplyDeleteCome on fellas,
ReplyDeleteVishnovsky .790 ppg
5'10" 183lbs age 35 $5.6 million per yr
Whitney .771 ppg
6'4" 219 age 27 $4.0 million per year
If that trade went the other way, people would be losing their minds criticising Tambo.
RQ's point above is the really important item imo. If you're trading Penner for futures, then why are you retaining Hemsky or Whitney or Gilbert?
ReplyDeleteIt is a good point. I expect Tambo would listen to offers on Gilbert. The return just wasn't worth trading him. I doubt a lot of teams would be interested in taking on a long term contract at the deadline.
Hemsky will presumably be traded this summer - assuming someone wants him given his latest injury.
Whitney will have to show he can stay healthy.
LT
ReplyDeleteI completely expect Hemsky to be traded at some point of time. I think Dennis made a very good point a couple of days ago reading between the lines from the ST interview and what he said about trading hemsky.
Also I think ST has been listening to offers about Gilbert and they just have been terrible or non existent.
@ Ducey
I think both Visnovsky and Whitney were performing at a much higher than expected rate, albiet Whitney more than Visnovsky.
On ice sh% Visnovsky:10.57 Whitney 12.50
Also on ice sv% visnovsky .906 Whitney .935.
Whitney is going to have a huge drop-off in production and even traditional +/-. And it wont be due to injury
Here is a new blurb from HF on the Kings system:
ReplyDeleteThere's no better puck-moving defenseman in the pipeline than Voynov, who has established himself as one of the premier producers from the blue line in the AHL. Voynov is among the league leaders in goals (12) and points (40) from a defenseman as well.
Still, it's telling that Voynov has yet to make his NHL debut while Jake Muzzin stuck with the Kings out of training camp this year just months removed from junior hockey, and that Alec Martinez was the team's first callup from Manchester when Muzzin faltered. Though Voynov has almost three full years of North American professional hockey under his belt, his game isn't quite at the NHL level yet.
His offensive talents would be a welcome addition to the Kings blue line, but he'd be a liability in the Kings defense-first system without further refinement. The Kings risk losing Voynov to the KHL this summer if they continue to take the ultra-patient route with him but should he show a willingness to stick around, he's a future bottom-four NHL blueliner who can quarterback a top unit powerplay.
Worst Birthday Ever
ReplyDeleteJohan Motin assigned to Stockton of the ECHL.
ReplyDeleteI thought all prospects attained a high level and worked out?
Damn.
he's a future bottom-four NHL blueliner who can quarterback a top unit powerplay.
ReplyDeleteSo he could turn into Goligoski, who could get your Neal.
Much prefer that than what they got.
Its not that I dislike Teubert. Now that he's an Oiler I really hope he blossoms, but if he progresses to his ceiling, he is still an asset that is reasonable easy to get.
Tambellini was fonsed.
Hemsky, Eberle and Hall were all injured while playing with a guy that Traktor criticizes.
ReplyDeleteKeep Traktor's voodoo pins as far away from Shawn Horcoff as possible.
Or maybe we should give Traktor the red rubber ball/leather toque treatment next season, and see if the team's injury jinx finally goes away.
And even if it doesn't work in the first 82 games, _everyone_ will be voting for a larger sample size.
Makes me wonder, which does the average male want more: sample size or sampler size?
Most aggressive nineteen year old males are wired to coarse calibrate "oh shit". Inevitable. Better a brawler than a Suzuki GSX-R1000. If the choice is between on the ice and off the ice, I have no complaints.
@ WG maybe sending down Eberle/Omark and need roster space. Still it speaks volumes about Motin's standings in the org
ReplyDelete@ WG
ReplyDeleteGOligoski is a very good description!
I am still miffed that Stars traded away Neal.
But if you talk to a stars fan, he raves about Goli's play in Dallas and the points put up.
Sum,
ReplyDeleteDallas needed a PP QB badly.
I think Niewy overpaid, but given that there isn't a lot of PP QB available (especially still a RFA) its not as bad a trade as it first looked.
Still didn't need to included Niskanen.
WG
ReplyDeleteI think Niskanen was included so as to get rid of salary. They overpair for him and wanted someone else to break bank.
And power forwards like Neal are not that easy to find either. But I guess Dallas thinks Benn can take care of it ..soo good on ya JN.
redness: having too much red
Steve Smith
ReplyDeleteI am Curious.
Do you think Penner is a better Forward than Dustin Brown?
My question to Tyler Dellow:
ReplyDeleteI know his reasons for picking a team like Blackpool and cheering for it in Premiere league. So what will he do if Blackpool gets relegated? pick another team next year? So why not pick a team like Everton/Aston Villa ot Tottenham?
But Brown is not much superior to Penner. I give him a slight edge due to physicality. But I think Penner has more skill.
ReplyDeleteDo you think Penner is a better Forward than Dustin Brown?
ReplyDeleteI'm not actually sure. It would be nice of somebody would present some relevant evidence to help me decide. Traktor didn't.
"but if he progresses to his ceiling, he is still an asset that is reasonable easy to get."
ReplyDeleteRiiiight.
And you know all about assets, right?
Dylan McIlrath isn't going to be more than a #4 and he just went 10th overall because of his intangibles.
You probably had him in the 3rd round.
@ Traktor.
ReplyDeleteWell I for one believe that mcIlrath went too high. And probably wasnt a 1st round talent. Scouts/fans were hoping that his offensive game will take off and it hasnt.
Based solely on how his career has gone so far, Tuebert > McIlrath.
Maybe things will change and he does defy odds, until then he is a suspect top 10 pick
"I'm not actually sure. It would be nice of somebody would present some relevant evidence to help me decide. Traktor didn't."
ReplyDeleteI said he has a "ton more value".
And he does. If you don't get it the problem is with you.
It's like comparing Milan Lucic to Blake Wheeler.
"Well I for one believe that mcIlrath went too high. And probably wasnt a 1st round talent."
ReplyDeleteThere you go.
@ Traktor
ReplyDeletewhat was your point regarding McIlrath? i think i missed something here
Also you are way off comparing Penner/Brown as Lucic/Wheeler
Penner/brown are much closer when it comes to points.
Before we see this become a narrative for people who don't read everything that they can or should, it's important to state that the Oilers didn't ask 27 if he wanted to resign so they had no reason to think that he wouldn't.
ReplyDeleteLT: I said a couple of days ago that both 77 and 83 are likely to be dealt. I think the Oilers are hellbent for the lottery in 2012 and probably aren't interested in contending in 2013 either.
As for why they keep 6? Well, he's positively Christly and he doesn't have injury concerns so I imagine they'll keep him.
SO: interesting dig on those sv pct numbers. I know early on 77 was pretty much matching him in terms of scoring chance but 6's counting stats were blowing his out of the water. So that makes a little more sense now if why there's such a divide in the counting stats.
@ Dennis
ReplyDeletethat was Whitney and Visnovsky
Here is Gilbert's
on ice sh% 9.46
on ice sv% .884
so that is even worse explains Gilbert's traditional +/-
I said he has a "ton more value".
ReplyDeleteThat's an assertion, not evidence. Here's what you provided by way of evidence:
Dustin Brown: 236 hits
Dustin Penner: 63 hits
I sometimes think it might be nice to cultivate one's reputation to the point that nobody even expects you to make sense. Very liberating, I imagine.
steve:
ReplyDeleteIf you don't recognize why physical play would increase a players value then you know even less than I thought.
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