Serling's television scripts focused on bizarre events and I always thought he dressed well (the major television personalities my family watched during the 60's were Ed Sullivan--no GQ man he, and Red Skelton--a clown inside and out).
Ryan Whitney is also in the Twilight Zone, and his problem is that he doesn't dress enough as an Edmonton Oiler. A Jim Matheson EJ article (it is here) goes into great detail about the freakishness of the injury. I wanted to post this quote:
- “my doctor said there had only been 70 cases ever recorded of the injury I got ... something ridiculous."
He said something similar after the last major surgery he had.....Oh well lets hope he us right this time!
ReplyDeleteThat's what they said about Barbaro after his surgery.
ReplyDeleteWell, at least he'll be ready for the playoffs.
ReplyDeleteGreat news about Whitney. It's a shame this fine athlete has been afflicted with these foot problems. When I first heard about the injury, it sounded like both he and the doctors thought he had torn the posterior tibial tendon. It was obviously not clear on MR if it was just dislocated or dislocated and torn (as is often the case). That the tendon was in good shape at surgical exploration is great news and gives me hope that he is not going down the Forsbergian path of ankle hell...at least not yet. This means we can probably expect Ryan to return to his pre-injury Oiler peformance. He's not nearly as speedy as he was before his pes cavus repairs, but despite that, he is still a top pairing defenceman on most teams in this league.
ReplyDeleteI think all of the surgeon, the Oilers (and by extension the fans of the Oilers), and Whitney himself have a lot at stake in making sure no one thinks this is related to his previous foot problems. However, if you believe that, I've also got an up-and-coming 50 goal scorer named Ryan Jones to tell you about. The pes cavus surgery has, by its nature, altered the biomechanics of the feet. This either immediately, or through use since the operation, made the flexor retinaculum redundant allowing the posterior tibial tendon to dislocate. Repair of the flexor retinaculum and reduction of the tendon into a deeper groove will solve this problem, and I am hopeful this will be the last of it for Whitney's sake and for all of ours.
Here is a case series for those interested:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1888604/
So next year he should be good to go (hopefully). So assuming we do not deal for a top 4 dman, there is a long list of players available (according to capgeek). i realize there is the whole "no one wants to sign here" fun, but assuming an overpay who would we want to target?
ReplyDeletePersonally I hope they go for no one over 30, so that eliminates most UFA's.
- Joni Pitkanen (hehe) - although he would be a solid fit.
- Kevin Bieksa
- James Wisniewski
- Christian Ehrhoff
- Mark Stuart (thought he was an rfa, but capgeek says ufa)
- Shane O'Brien
- Anton Babchuk
- Jonathan Ericsson
- Andy Greene
- Ian White
There are a few solid options. How much of an overpay i guess is the main issue. Which of those fits our top 4 and how much are we willing to spend to add a player in his prime that completes our D?
@DBO
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't mind Jovonaski for a couple of years
Out of that list, I like Stuart and wisniewiski
Isn't Hall Gill a FA as well?
ReplyDeleteJust caught your hit on the morning show L.T., look forward to the show!
I guess you make some extra $ doing commercial voice overs? I recognize your voice.
Hall gill seems like a bigger version of vandermeer.
ReplyDelete"Whitney states in the article he'll probably be in the best shape of his life when he returns (possibly at the end of the regular season)."
ReplyDeleteWell, it's only days away from Baseball Spring Training opening, so why not have a "he's in the best shape of his life" article. It's tradition.
Woodguy: Yeah, I've made a few pennies over the years doing voice work. Easiest money ever, actually. :-)
ReplyDeleteLA lost in OT last night and now sits 2 pts behind Calgary.
ReplyDeleteHere's hoping that the pressure is mounting on Lombardi to deal some high end futures for Hemsky.
Of the obvious sellers:
OTT -they just traded their best forward piece. Spezza is not likely an attractive option due to his salary. Still have Kelly, Michalek, Neil, Carkner, Kovalev, Gonchar, Ruutu, Phillips and maybe a few others.
NJ -now has an outside chance at the playoffs and have to like their team next year. I don't think they do much.
NYI - do they have anyone left to trade?
TOR - MacArthur, Kaberle, Versteeg, Armstrong, Komisarek.
Seems like Hemsky might be the best offensive option, but there are certainly some decent playoff pickups out there.
Trade him for Brent Seabrook and throw in
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of free agents...
ReplyDeleteA lot of people in the Oilogosphere (and elsewhere) were high on Craig Anderson two years ago when he was an FA, and we know how well he did when Colorado gave him his shot as a #1.
Before he went to Colorado, Anderson's career SV% was .911, and GAA was 2.87, in 109 games played.
Josh Harding is in the same spot, career-wise, as Anderson was two years ago. With a third of a season to go, he has 83 games played, with career SV% of .915 and GAA of 2.63.
He's only making $1.2M this year, and I don't think he'd get that much of a raise on that in free agency this summer. I would love to see the Oilers go after him if they can get him on a 2 year, $2M per type contract.
The only issue is that you can't bury NK's caphit in the minors due to his age, but really, this team has a mile of cap space, and won't need to use it until the current crop comes up for resigning.
With Harding, you'd get a potential legit #1, at very worst a very capable backup and competition for DD, and you risk almost nothing.
Given how poorly this team develops goalies, they're going to have to find one out there at some point that will fit the "Hall window". Might as well start now.
Phil: The big question mark on Harding is his injury.
ReplyDeleteCompletely off topic but...
ReplyDeleteTencer is tweeting that later today he will have a post on his blog tracking some former Oilers including Tony Hand. I'm sure it's a mere coincidence that this post comes less than a week after LT announced the creation of his radio show and that he would be looking at some former Oilers, including Mr. Hand. What a weird coincidence. Hadn't heard that name in about 20 years and now Tencer just happens to do a blog post on it 7 days after LT mentions it. Weird.
Rider_guy
ReplyDeleteThe blog is up already.
Harding might be a target but I think Washington might be a good dance partner for a goalie.
ReplyDeleteEspecially if they'd move Holtby.
I'd guess Feaster resigns Babchuk.
ReplyDeleteAndy Green and Ian White are underated, versatile D-men that might come cheaper than some.
I think White has quality, but he had a very favorable zonestart in his career season. That said I'd have him on the team over Foster any day.
ReplyDeleteHarding I've never been convinced of, Lemaire seemed to impact goalie stats more than any other coach I've ever seen.
To be honest I was holding out hope for a Brule + Cogs + Chorney type deal to shake a player loose, like Frolik. Not very likely, but damned if Chi-Town didn't do it.
Wonder how silly they are over in Atlanta, if they could use some hoodoo to get Bogosian for a package not including Penner or Hemsky I might have to change my opinion of Tambellini.
On Stauffer's show earlier this week, they figured Hemsky wouldn't do it for Bogosian. They figured it would be more likely a Gagner for Bogosian kind of a deal that Atlant would do. I'd do that in a second.
ReplyDeletePeople want to deal with the Hawks because their players have the cachet of being Cup winners.
ReplyDeleteOiler players on the other hand...
Has anyone worked out how many bullets we can legitimately give Stu this summer.
ReplyDeleteWith another wave of prospects coming to OKC land, how much room is there in the pipeline to draft 3-4 more players than the norm?
It helps that we have plenty of graduates this year, but we can't indefinitely inflate the pipeline either.
Now I don't mind acquiring extra bullets now as perhaps they can be combined to trade up, but how aggressive will the Oil be in obtaining extra picks this deadline? Or will they maybe go for a couple of 2012 selections to so there isn't to much back pressure over the next few years?
hunter1909 said...
ReplyDeletePeople want to deal with the Hawks because their players have the cachet of being Cup winners.
Oiler players on the other hand...
I doubt that, it's more likely what the C&B boys figured over on their post. Jack Skille was the first player Tallon ever drafted, "the ultimate saw him good", and it wasn't so much Frolik was available, as Skille was, and Tallon was willing to give the moon for him. To throw in the top goaltender in Sweden, Salak, who's only 24 years old, as well into the deal is just criminal.
I think this dispels the illusion that Tallon was the sole reason the Hawks were as good as they were, or that he was in the top echelon of GMs for that matter.
@ uni:
ReplyDeleteI would certainly put forth that once any player wins a cup his status/value goes up simply for the face his name is now written on the cup.
I'm not saying it's the right way to think, but it's the way the hockey world thinks.
Furthermore, I'd venture to say our own Kevin Lowe(lol) handed out those ridiculous contracts to Pisani, Moreau, and Horcoff based on the fact that in Lowe's stupid mind they ALMOST won the cup(if only Roloson hadn't been hurt!), for whatever that meant to the GM of the Oilers at that time.
I never read any of the aftermath but it looked like Tallon traded skill for Skille and then threw in a real netminding prospect just for the fuck of it.
ReplyDeleteIt made no sense from anyone's angle as far as I could tell.
And I'm not against 89 but if you could deal him for Bogo then that should have been done yesterday.
Regarding that list of D what we need is a real D so from that list I guess it would be the two Dys we should be targeting.
Though Bieksa has some injury history heading into this season and that's certainly to be considered.
MATTHEW SEKERES of the Globe says that Dys are looking at Marty Reasoner.
ReplyDeleteThe Panthers were willing to throw Salak into the deal because they have Jacob Markstrom in the AHL already.
ReplyDeleteFlorida is a money challenged team.
Still it was probably too much to give Chicago.
"extra $ doing commercial voice overs?"
ReplyDeletereminisces about the old days? check.
can sell and do his own commercials? check
sport show? check
just saying hallsy (that's good eating, not #4) is retiring one of these decades.
Whitney seems awful confidant he'd be an automatic selection for the USA's World Championships team. In coming off a serious injury with little game action since Deecmber, does that confuse anyone else?
ReplyDeleteThen again, they did take Taylor Chorney last year, so what do I know?
Chicago robbed Tallon if only Frolik is coming back, let alone Salak.
ReplyDeleteWhen Bryan Hall used to talk to Bill Hunter, the world listened, lol.
ReplyDeleteCompletely unfair trivia question, hopefully it will drive FPB bonkers...
ReplyDeleteWho will be wearing #59 for the Habs in the upcoming Heritage Classic oldtimer's game?
Spoiler: Must be a double numbers case.
ReplyDeleteOnly guys who wore that are like Duncan Milroy and Mikhail Grabovski.
So Tencer tweeted that Pierre McGuire says a 1st round pick in unattainable if the Oiler's trade Penner.
ReplyDeleteI guess his thighs are not muscular enough.
In related news Marty Turco gives us his opinion.
Big news from Oilers practice today: 89 actually scored in a SO.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't surprise me that Pierre thinks Penner is only worth a second.
ReplyDeleteI wish some stupid hockey market would give the guy the GM job he craves. (Not Edmonton)
Also...
ReplyDeleteOKC is playing Abbotsford at the Saddledome next Friday night.
Bruce, HBomb, WG any of you lot thinking about coming down to watch the prospects?
I'm gonna go, although the last time I drank with HBomb I'm pretty sure the bar ran out of shooter glasses. And Jaeger.
Bar Qu, you're in Calgary aren't you?
There's no way you can deal 27 if he can't bring back a first rounder.
ReplyDeletesounds like fun spOILer, but I'll just be getting back from Phoenix and I doubt my wife will let me take off again right after it.
ReplyDeleteSounds like a great time!
FPB,
ReplyDeleteThe issue is Habs don't have enough defencemen showing up for the Oldtimer's Game. Svoboda and Chelios won't be there, so they're having to bring in a Calgary guy who was drafted by the Habs in 79.
He spent part of the day struggling to figure out what number he would wear. His first choice was 34, and since Corson is going to be there and wore 34 in his rookie season, and isn't responding to his emails in a timely fashion, we went with 59, buddy's birth year figuring Gabrovski was safe.
He and Carbonneau lit it up on the PP for the Voyageurs in 1980. Course Carbonneau couldn't skate well enough to be a point-getter in the Bigs, so they turned him into a checker.
Spoier: Who's Craig Levie Alex?
ReplyDeleteTres bon, mon ami.
ReplyDeleteSpoiler: Took me awhile because I tought by ''Calgary guy'' you meant a guy they traded to CGY and made his career there.
ReplyDeleteSpoiler: It's like when Mike Milbury talks. You just know it's garbage.
ReplyDeleteLebrun's as plugged-in as a anyone so this is worth posting:
ReplyDeleteKings interested in Hemsky?
As the trade deadline approaches, the Los Angeles Kings haven't changed their target since the season began: add a top-six forward before Feb. 28.
There isn't a whole lot on the market right now in terms of top-six forwards, but one name I am told that intrigues the Kings is Ales Hemsky of the Edmonton Oilers.
The problem is, it's not entirely clear whether Hemsky will be dealt. The Oilers are listening, but they are not desperate to move him. The 27-year-old has one more year left on his deal next season at $5 million with a $4.1 million cap hit.
Hemsky would fit the Kings' need to add more offensive creativity up front. If the Oilers decide to keep Hemsky, Los Angeles will have to hope more teams drop out of the playoff race between now and Feb. 28 and introduce new names to the market.
Make the Kings pay. It starts with Schenn and go from there.
ReplyDeleteSmarmy. agreed. LA wants Hemsky, get schenn. Add a Smid and maybe you get a d prospect.
ReplyDeleteFor the Kings to obtain Hemsky, it might take more than just Schenn.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Schenn and Voynov for Hemsky? Too much?
ReplyDeleteLT, that sounds closer to me.
ReplyDeleteHemsky, Smyth, and Stoll on the Kings? I'd have a team to root for in the playoffs, at least.
ReplyDeleteFlip Gagner for Bogo. Trade Hemsky for Schenn. Keep Penner. Draft Landeskog. All of a sudden, we don't have a size problem if Stumblinni can fill out the bottom 6.
ReplyDeleteBad Seed: That's a decade's work for ST.
ReplyDeleteI'd go for Loktionov, Voynov and a 1st.
ReplyDeleteIMO LA would trade Schenn alone if it had to.
I do not want Hickey though.
ReplyDeleteFPB:
Not sure if Komrade Horcov will go for that.
I don't dislike the other kings prospects I go for Schenn because
ReplyDelete1. He's really good.
and much lesser but still pros
2. He's a western boy.
3. He has chemistry with another Oiler in Hamilton
4. He might help us court his brother down the road.
Smarmy,
ReplyDeleteThe combination of grit and skill is interesting, but I would be much happier if Schenn was a RH shot.
Plus he's lost a half year of development due to the Kings' shenanigans this year. Still, very interesting.
Yeah Kings dicked him around but he has a good shot at the Memorial Cup again this year so he'll get lots of hockey in.
ReplyDeleteThe Gagner for Bogosian thing is interesting. Gagner is till so young, but you exchange one young up and comer for another that fills a need. if you did peddle Hemsky for Schenn and something else and then drafted Larsson, suddenly you have a stacked D prospect list to go with our youth up front. Might not be a playoff team next year, but wow would it would look good.
ReplyDeleteWhitney-Bogosian
Peckham-Gilbert
Petry-Larsson
Marincin
That is one nice D going forward.
Hall-Schenn-Eberle
Penner-Horcoff-Pitlik
MPS-Lander-Omark
Hamilton-Cogliano-Jones
If that is our team in the next 2 years it would make us a more balanced team. If Dubnyk progressed
we could be challenging for a playoff spot next year and a true run at the cup in 2 or 3 years.
DBO, both Larsson and Petry play the right side.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing the Gagner trade does is allow the Oilers to step back in terms of pushing for a stud on the blue.
ReplyDeleteI'm onside as a Gagner supporter, but lordy you'd have to think about that trade long and hard imo.
It's not common you get a player like Schenn.
ReplyDeleteI'd rather keep Penner and Hemsky and add to win next year, but management won't do it.
So, if they're going to move Hemsky, Schenn might be a nice pickup. LA would have to think about it. Any prospect better than Schenn costs a fortune.
LA's D propsects are also great, but D prospects are a riskier business, IMO.
spOILer: never did it based on what side. I actually think you may be able to play Petry up with Whitney based on his progression this year. It's not a punishing D, but it has no small players. Same with the forwards. Only Eberle, Omark and Cogliano would be under 6 ft.
ReplyDeleteLT: yeah, if it was Bogosian for Gagner it would be hard to say no. Especially with Cogliano taking something of a step this year.
Yeah, getting Bogo makes more sense than a Forbort if you're looking for a guy you can be sure can play now. And sending Gagner makes sense from our pov, although I'm not sure it does for ATL's (haven't looked).
ReplyDeleteIf Hemsky goes, and Toffoli isn't coming back the other way, we almost HAVE to draft Landeskog.
Toffoli and Martindale in the same system might be interesting. Then draft Couturier.
Badseed,
ReplyDeleteThat's damn near perfect return if you are moving 83 and 89.
DBO, okay, but I can't see them trading for Bogosian and then drafting Larsson. Gotta think it would be an F at the draft if that trade happens.
ReplyDeleteNo concerns at all about Schenn not being that big? Half and inch shorter and we'd be calling him another smurf.
ReplyDeletespOILer: you may be right, but I like the Idea of getting Larsson as well. it gives up options when Whitney and Gilbert come up for renewal in the next few years (whitney 2 more, Gilbert 3 more). Gives us the same leverage in 2 years for our d that we have at forward right now. Also allows you to not rush any of our prospects.
ReplyDeleteDBO,
ReplyDeleteWhitney's playing 1sts.
I love what Petry has been doing, but that's throwing him in too deep too soon.
If they get Bogosian, he slots there, otherwise I like offering Jovo or Bieksa 5.5MM/yr for 2 years. Doubt they get an offer that rich anywhere else and it fits in the Oilers cap.
DBO - I missed Cog's step. (I think Renney found some of Greb's old blotter paper)
ReplyDeletecommonfan: he plays physcial, is a two way centre and wins faceoffs. i don't care if Schenn is 5'5, if he brings all those attributes he improves our centre position. Lander isn't that big either, but he is also a two way centre. Basically you can add two young centres who play in their own zone and kill penalties. And Schenn has that Toews thing about him. Big goals, two way play and leadership.
ReplyDeleteDeano: not saying Cogs is a great player. But he is better in his own zone (although nothing special). he has become a very effective penalty killer, and he's been way more involved on the forecheck physically. That makes him a solid 4th line centre. His issue has been playing too high in the lineup. I like him as a 4th line centre. I'm just as happy to move him as well and add a vet in the 4 spot, but doubt that happens.
ReplyDeletePlus he's lost a half year of development due to the Kings' shenanigans this year. Still, very interesting.
ReplyDeleteI've been doing some stuff in my spare time and I'm coming to the conclusion that players 18-21 develop similarly regardless of where they play. (Looking at 1st round forwards only)
There is a steepness in the curves as they change leagues, but they seem to hit similar curves after 1/2 a season regardless of where they develop.
Schenn being 6 feet is fine and the kid is a 200lb'er.
ReplyDeletePlus he was a chunky kid growing up so you know he has the bone structure. ;)
My only concern with him is his shoulder and it's not that big a concern.
Not a bad first shift for Mr. Forsberg.
ReplyDeleteEveryone but 10,27,83 and 6 play too high in the lineup.
ReplyDeleteyes, Cogs is slightly less than 100% useless now.He's more 0.5 tools than 5 tools though.
Boy was everyone starved for something (anything) to discuss.
WG, does that include pretty much not playing for a couple of months?
ReplyDeleteObviously every individual will be different, but that's worse than 4 mins a night on the 4th line.
That study sounds interesting. When do we get to see?
players 18-21 develop similarly regardless of where they play
ReplyDeleteI look forward to seeing this.
I think generally this is the case - except when it fails, and then it fails catastrophically, shattering confidence which needs a couple of seasons to rebuild.
i.e. Development gets stunted not by going too slow, but by going too fast. As Babcock said - not getting good enough.
Salo back for the Canucks,but Hamhuis out indefinetly
ReplyDeleteAnother team (potentially) looking for a blueliner at the deadline.
Sellers market just keeps getting better and better.
When I get it to a finished product I'll put it somewhere.
ReplyDeleteHopefully L.T let's me link it.
Still rough but a theme is showing. Outliers everywhere, but from 30,000 ft its all pretty close.
I chaulk it up to mental and physical maturation. Can't rush that.
Gagner to ATL? Don't they already have Bryan Little? I don't see Dudley duplicating skillsets no matter how much he's soured on Buy One, Get One.
ReplyDeleteI don't really trust the brass to make the right moves when it comes to a big piece like 83 and as I said Lebrun's plugged in so this story worries me more than just a little.
ReplyDeleteNot sure what we have to offer in the way of competent dmen because both 2 and 26 have been goddamn awful.
ReplyDeleteAll I read is how 2's game is back to where they hoped it would be and I guess that means letting skaters get behind him And also taking stupid penalties.
And 2's been so hideous for so long that even the PR staff posing as MSM can't even muster a defense.
Gerta,
ReplyDeleteI used to work in a business where the sell price on an item could swing 40% in a year, but the cost was fairly constant.
v3.0 MUST try to deal off Foster as well as Vandermeer.
The chance to fix a a mistake like Foster for 2 years is pretty rare.
LT hates Smid, so he wants him dealt too. :-)
So what does everyone make of NYR pro scouts catching some OKC games?
ReplyDeleteWell, they checked Souray out a few weeks after recalling del Zotto. So it looks like they want a PP D.
ReplyDeleteBelle?
They Oil were blowing their brains out for McIlrath.
Woodguy: Sather does have a thing for finns.....Maybe it'll be a blockbuster & he wants Hartikainen.
ReplyDeletei.e. Development gets stunted not by going too slow, but by going too fast. As Babcock said - not getting good enough.
ReplyDeleteBabcock was speaking about the fact the Oilers need to keep focusing on the draft. He was referring to a team not getting too good, too fast.
No, I think that's how its been misinterpreted. I have always thought Babcock was speaking about individuals not the team.
ReplyDeleteWe all hear what we want to hear.
This team certainly is nowhere near too good too fast.
Deano: Mcylrath was as I called. He won't provide offense.
ReplyDeleteBelle has like 0 points in his last 20.
So you're no longer a woodguy,Woodguy?
ReplyDeleteVandy and Foster are the 2 obvious D to be moved.
I've always like Smid but if somebody was willing to overpay I might consider moving him.I'd prefer to deal him for an upgrade on defence,but he's not untouchable.
Was in Phoenix about 4 weeks ago-6 rounds of golf in 7 days.Try City Hall Steakhouse if you're in the neighbourhood,followed by some lovely ladies at Skin.
Sure I'd be down for a Hemsky for Schenn and Gagner for Bogosian deal - then ship Cogs for Kelly or Neil to beef up the bottom 6 since OTT wanted him before and we are looking not too shabby going forward. But as others have said - that a decade worth of evaluation for Lowe's sock puppet.
ReplyDeleteNo, I think that's how its been misinterpreted. I have always thought Babcock was speaking about individuals not the team.
ReplyDeleteWe all hear what we want to hear.
I actually heard what he said on the radio. He was asked in a pregame scrum about the Oilers and the fact they looked like they were headed for the lottery again.
He kind of laughed and then said "I probably shouldn't be saying this but I think its a good thing if they wind up with another high pick...
He them mentioned there was a tendancy to get off track on a rebuild. He then said "if you get too good, too fast, you don't get good enough."
No misinterpretation possible.
LA not going to move both of their creative young centers even for Hemsky. Might get Schenn and a bit for Hemsky though. Size is a concern but he is creative
ReplyDeleteI like Gagner and think he will be able to score 60 pts at NHL level but Bogosian was even with Doughty at NHL combines.
Absolutely agree with blow out of JVDM & Foster if at all possible. Particularly Foster. His contract is a big overpay for what we are getting and we have given him every opportunity on PP
Would Vancouver be really deperate for D?
Plus why would Oilers give Whitney greenlight for World Championships? That makes absolutely NO sense
Duce
ReplyDeleteWe are not moving too fast on the rebuild.
We have no one who can win a draw, have a 1 or 2 and a 3 on defense, are undersized and have 1 NHL level goalie. That is going to take 2 or 3 years to really compete: ie win a playoff round. But I agree with you: with this pain we are not interested in a sneak into the playoffs for 2-3 years and 2 home playoff games total.
Gene Principe said on radio yesterday that he sees the Oilers improving to 65 pts next year and 85-90 the year thereafter.
If he is right nobody told us we had to end up 27th overall next year too. Plus our sellout streak will come to an end because a whole lot of people will not renew their tickets
Posted this on the wrong thread first.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else find that Penner and Hemsky article midly troubling the yesterday?
The whole "Well it would kind of be nice to sit down and talk about what might be in the works for us" - type statments to get some alarm bells ringing...
Why wouldn't anyone follow this up with some pretty pointed questions at Dithers (possibly brining up the whole non communication remarks previously brought up by Souray). Seems like the smoke is still lingering over this type of stuff.
Gerta,
ReplyDeleteStill a woodguy.
My costs are much more certain, and I just dabble in commodities, whereas before all I did was commodities.
Now I deal in "added value" stuff. Brands, etc.
Different world.
If he is right nobody told us we had to end up 27th overall next year too. Plus our sellout streak will come to an end because a whole lot of people will not renew their tickets
ReplyDeleteYou do it right with the long term in mind. I'd gladly have the sellout streak end (ít technically probably did long ago anyway) to have the home team holding the Cup in 4 or 5 years.
CHI and PIT had some pretty lean years attendance wise.
BTW, NYI and NJ both win again. Impressive.
NYI gets 9 with Schremp not playing...
I agree with Ducey's interpretation of Babcock.
ReplyDeleteBadseed,
If v3.0 deals the only good Finn in the system I'm gonna burn him in effigy in front of their office for a month.
Then 4 times a year until Hartikainen retires.
Then twice a year after that.
Then I'll shoot out his yard light once a year until I die.
PDO suggest that v3.0 trade Khabby for Gonchar.
ReplyDeleteI like it.
2 more years each.
Each fill a void.
This assumes OTT doesn't qualify Elliot, but why would they?
WG: Fills a void, is a big word for Ottawa. Unless they possess some massive stock of alcohol they must get rid of.
ReplyDeletefpb,
ReplyDeleteAwesome.
Absolutely hate those deals.
ReplyDeleteBogosian's taken a step backward, while Gagner's secondary numbers are foreshadowing a breakout.
IMO, Hemsky shouldn't be dealt, much less to a Western Conference team for prospects. We need a NHL player and a high pick.
Teams like the Islanders and Blue Jackets make deals like that toward the eternal rebuild.
If the Oilers want to move up quickly (The Hawks model) they need to draft prospects and trade for NHL players.
Slow friday night so had a look at how Hemsky & Penner compare to Fisher.
ReplyDeleteSlry Cntrct Career 2010 exp PPG ES PPG
Fisher 4.2 2013 0.5 1.9
Hemsky 4.1 2012 0.8 2.9
Penner 4.25 2012 0.6 2.4
Age pts best yr
30 53
27 77
28 63
Hmmm. I'm reading Bogosian as facing the tough competition and about 43.5% def zone start.
ReplyDeleteI think the most damning thing you can say about the guy is he's not getting powerplay time.
Have I misread it? I mean Oduya is also facing similar toughs and his plus minus is about the same.
columns got screwed up should be:
ReplyDeleteSalary
Contract expires
Career PPG
2010 ES pts/60
Ducks get a PP with 2:15 to go.
ReplyDeletePull goalie.
Tie up.
Fucking logical. It's asinine that most coaches would wait.
Dennis:
ReplyDeletesome thoughts:
- a kid named micheal haley certainly seized the moment for the Isles tonight.
- turco was 0/3 in the SO tonight in a loss at dallas.
- i find it hard to believe no one will grab souray on re-entry waivers.
- it's gonna be hard to be worse than the Sens because I think they'll move everyone and they'll be as bad down the stretch as the Oilers were in '07.
LT: Well he's 3rd on D so i'd say 2nd pair icetime.
ReplyDeleteHis Corsi is total garbage and worth 2nd worst on ATL.
He's getting 2nd wave PP time. Even there his RELCorsi is garbage. With one of the worse GF/60
He plays some PK but he can't PK (9,88 GA/60)
All underlying numbers put up a red flag.
Anon: You shall not worry.
ReplyDeleteWe will release THE STRUDWICK.
More or less, a good trade is a good trade, regardless of the incompetence of the management that makes the trade.
ReplyDeleteIn a discussion of good trades, it doesn't matter whether you trust Tambi or not. You're making him way too important with the opposite George complex, where any trade he's willing to make is by definition a bad one.
Riddle me this: how can Stu M. B. reliably scout prospects, but the same management group can't reliably vet established players?
Tambi: "Stu, would you do Hemsky for Schenn?"
Stu: "Not unless you throw in Sharapova's body double."
There, it's that simple.
Spoiler,
ReplyDeleteI would find that an interesting night, but I don't know that I can commit to it yet. Sick wife, sick kid(s) but with the long weekend I might be able to swing it. If we can persuade more to come, then it is easier to leverage going.
And I agree on the Gagner thing, if it is really possible.
Riddle me this: how can Stu M. B. reliably scout prospects, but the same management group can't reliably vet established players?
ReplyDeleteBecause teams have amateur scouts and pro scouts?
You're making him way too important with the opposite George complex, where any trade he's willing to make is by definition a bad one.
ReplyDeleteThis is especially so considering most of Tambellini's trades have been pretty good (Visnovsky, Grebeshkov, Staios...even Fraser was giving up very little for something that might have turned out to be what we needed).
The problem with Tambellini has been his free agent signings and his inaction on key fronts. But I don't recall him getting fleeced much in trades...Cole for O'Sullivan, I guess, but Cole was a UFA.
Anyone here would like to make a simulated hockey league? Using EHM it's very sim (Like you can't make a roster full of rooks and win).
ReplyDeleteI'd set up a site and sim.
Think it would be a friendly competition between members of the forum.
Can you simulate the rest of the Oilers season fpb..?
ReplyDeleteI'll sleep better when this season is over.
Gerta Rauss: That I can't do.
ReplyDeleteBut some guy here could make it a winning club :P.
Acquire Micheal Haley anyone?
ReplyDeleteWhat a performance...like those AHL totals too.
Be careful liking how Haley played. Some guys around here want the NHL to resemble the SEL.
ReplyDelete"But some guy here could make it a winning club...."
ReplyDeleteGod reads this blog?
This is especially so considering most of Tambellini's trades have been pretty good
ReplyDeleteI sometimes wonder if Tambellini's problem is that he is always looking for a perfect deal—because he can't find one, he doesn't address needs.