Sunday, December 5, 2010

#12 Prospect: Jeff Petry

















Winter 2009: #7
Summer 2010: #12

Winter 2010: #12

In the 10 drafts between 1996 and 2005, the Edmonton Oilers selected 13 defensemen in the top 3 rounds. Of the baker's dozen chosen, only 2 (Tom Poti & Matt Greene) established themselves as regulars.

The list of defenders drafted in the first 3 rounds 2006-10 looks more promising (Theo Peckham, Jeff Petry, Alex Plante, Troy Hesketh, Martin Marincin) and there are a few hold overs from the 96-05 group (Chorney) who still have a chance to become NHL regulars.
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I never did find a good pre-draft scouting report about Jeff Petry. I know that International Scouting Services liked him (#109) and he was #36 North American skater according to Central Scouting. I did find a nice description post-draft courtesy our friend Guy Flaming (at that time covering the Oilers for HF):
  • "Petry is a smart two-way defenseman who is an excellent skater with good mobility, which he uses to shut down opponents. The 6’2.5, 176-pound Petry plays with an edge and can lay out some good hits. He also doesn’t mind battling in front of the net. Offensively, Petry has a cannon for a point shot, but often uses a wrist shot as well so that it does not get blocked and does not allow the goaltender to set up. Petry also uses his skating and stick skills to make accurate passes out of the zone or to skate the puck up himself, which he has the speed and stickhandling to do."
In following Petry as a prospect, I read a lot of conflicting statements. Guy's description is a pretty exciting one, and I'm sure he got it from credible sources. However, his college coach Rick Comley said "I thought that on some nights he was our best player and other nights, he played more like a freshman."

Petry had some excellent college seasons and one poor one, so that when he arrived at the pro level there was still some mystery to his game. The organization has always been strong on him, but Kevin Prendergast loved everybody. This past training camp, Tom Renney gave us a very nice description of the Petry's status:
  • "We have to make sure--even with a player who has been very impressive here--as more of an adult looking player here at this camp; Jeff is not an NHLer today. It's not the wrong thing for us to make sure he goes to Oklahoma City, so he can get a feel for the physical nature of the game. We can expect too much of this player who is so good in so many areas, and then three months from now we're saying 'what happened?' Well let's not go there."

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Dan Petry's boy has always done pretty well when run through Desjardins' NHLE's. Petry can post the offense; here are his equivalencies through the years:
  • 07-08 (20) 82gp, 2-17-19 (.232)
  • 08-09 (21) 82gp, 2-10-12 (.146)
  • 09-10 (22) 82gp, 4-22-26 (.317)
  • 10-11 (23) 82gp, 6-16-22 (.268) (so far)
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Petry is a big man with speed and mobility, works hard and can win puck battles. He's a plus passer and a workhorse, spending as much as 30 minutes a night on the State blue when he played there. The Oilers love him, they spent some time gushing over him even as he was on the way to a diabolical -31 (on a -53 team) during the 08-09 season.
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The Bubbling Under blog laid waste to Winnipeg over the weekend and gave us a very nice update on the OKC team. Of great importance to our conversation here is the following:
  • Jeff Petry was an impressive physical specimen, both in his size and his skating ability. What surprised me was that he and Shawn Belle were kept away from the Moose’s top players at even strength. I had thought that Petry was taking on tough opposition but this wasn’t the case tonight. It is important to note however that the Petry-Belle tandem was the first over the boards on both SH and PP chances, and that’s a good sign for the young prospect. Maybe they’re taking the lessons learned from Chorney (throwing the kid into the deep end and hope he knows how to swim), and are bringing Petry along slower at EV but with added special teams responsibilities. Was relatively high-event tonight, on the ice for both Barons goals and one goal against.
My own personal view of this season in OKC is that the pairings are equal enough (when everyone is healthy) that the coach doesn't need to worry too much about any combination of Belle, Petry, Petiot, Taylor, Chorney or Plante most nights. I could be wrong, but would suggest it is possible that the minor league team has plenty of qualified hands on the blue.

Petry is playing big minutes in all situations and certainly on the way to an NHL job. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against it.
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I think Jeff Petry will have a solid NHL career. His scouting report suggests a player somewhat similar to Tom Gilbert--perhaps a little more physical and maybe a little less impressive as a passer--and his splits suggest he's a quick learner:
  • First 12 AHL games '10-'11: 2-5-7 -8
  • Next 12 AHL games 10-'11: 2-5-7 Even
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If Petry is going to emerge as a top quality talent, I expect it will be due to his work on the powerplay. At even strength, he's about equal with everyone else who gets extended minutes for the Barons. On the powerplay, he's having some impressive success:
  1. Jeff Petry 2-7-9
  2. Shawn Belle 2-6-8
  3. Taylor Chorney 0-4-4
  4. Alex Plante 0-2-2
  5. Richard Petiot 0-1-1
Obviously Belle and Petry are getting the lion's share of the PP time, but they're also delivering well. Petry's 7 PP assists rank him 2nd among all rookie defensemen in the AHL so far this season and in the top 20 overall. If he's going to be head and shoulders better than Plante this would imo be the one area where he could do it. Having said that, rookie defensemen rarely step onto the #1 PP AS rookies, so this would be a more long term item. I'd guess that Marc-Andre Bergeron was the last Oiler rookie defender to play extended powerplay minutes as a rookie.
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Age. The one time we don't really talk about a lot with regard to Petry is his age. He will be 23 years old when he makes his NHL debut (if he does it in the next 12 months), meaning that he's an older prospect and that he is closer to free agency. If he does emerge as an offensive defender, his pricetag is going to move up quickly and the chances of Edmonton getting a value contract between entry level and the one where they buy UFA seasons is almost nil. Although this is sometimes blown out of proportion, it is a consideration when evaluating talent and projecting the top 20.
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32 comments:

  1. Not the main point of the otherwise good article, but I couldn't help but notice that you put 'Hesketh' and 'promising' in the same sentence. As a 19 year old in the USHL (where most players are 17 or 18 and then move on to college), Hesketh has 0 points in 22 games, and a team-worst -12.

    Excluding Roy, that '09 draft looks like a complete failure post-Lander. Fortunately the '10 draft looks epic.

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  2. If you did want to add another d-man to the promising list of Peckham, Petry, Plante, and Marincin, you could add Brandon Davidson, who has 26 points in 29 games for the Regina Pats. There's some ugly +/- figures on that team as well (pair of D at -17 and -18), and he's only -3; being 6'2, 195, and an NHL-drafted guy, you'd assume he's playing against the toughest opposition.

    And although he's 19, the need to temper those stats a little is somewhat mitigated by the fact that this is only his second season in the WHL, not his 4th like many 19 year olds. It'll be interesting to see him in OKC next year.

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  3. Just one note as someone who went to both OKC games in WPG (the 1st was with doritogrande and Icecastles, fine lads both):

    Petry and Belle were definitely the #1D pairing, even at ES. That said, for the Barons that doesn't mean a whole lot. While Petry/Belle were always the coach's first option to start and then any time the game state changed, he rolled right through his pairings without a care in the world for matchups after that point.

    Hope that makes sense, I'm half asleep and off to bed.

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  4. #12 and no Jeff Petry. When are you going to get around to Jeff Petry? What do you have against him?

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  5. Peter:

    If you read the article you'd notice that LT listed all the 2006-2010 defensive draft selections in the first three rounds. Troy Hesketh was selected in the third round 2009, while Brandon Davidson was taken in the 6th round 2010.

    Showerhead has also made a good point. The Petry-Belle tandem was, more than not, the first pairing over the boards followed by a defensive rotation that would Pat Quinn would waltz to.

    1 2 3 1 2 3.....

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  6. Also, I forgot to ask, LT when exactly was that quote from the State coach taken? If it was during his freshman year, well then it doesn't really mean much does it?

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  7. Was expecting Petry to slot in just behind the Inanimate Carbon Rod.

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  8. dorito: It was in the middle of the terrible season. 08-09.

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  9. I was very interested in the Moose recap regarding Plante and Chorney getting their share of tough sledding and keeping their heads above water.

    Too bad we couldn't just send Chorney to Finland for 4-5 seasons, and bring him back as a 'Rafalski'. His age is trending up, and that's the ultimate upper end to the point of near impossibility upside for him. It's a a nice little fantasy to have though.

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  10. Some OT stuff:

    Billy Guerin announces his retirement. Thanks for the memories Bill, you were a class act.

    ...Tonight the Human Highlight Experience eats together at the dirty Russian's house as revealed on KBK's "Awkward Hours".

    What food will Dirty Russian serve? Strong traditional Russian supper from days of Peter the Great when he bring to Motherland French chefs to learn (boost) savory Russian Kuisine?

    Or does the sneaky spy stay in cover by offering something more North American? Like BBQ tiger prawns from the Gulf of Mexico (no need to brush with kooking oil). Komrade (and Kapitan) Horkoff's kids can name their shrimp "Andrew" and "Gilbert".

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  11. Taylor Hall named NHL's 3rd star for the past week. I am curious who has the last Oiler to receive an NHL star of the week and when?

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  12. I remember Cogs being the First star when he scored three overtime goals a couple of seasons ago (or something like that)

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  13. Hemsky out at least a month as per Renney at the availability today.

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  14. So either they like 28 on 89's RW and bring up Powder or since they are down a top 9 guy, the bring up Youtube.

    Place yer bets!!!

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  15. Jesus, that's terrible news on 83 I'm just gonna assume he's out for the season.

    Let's say that he's not and he's missed five games already and if he's only out for another month than that's 12 more so that's 17 GP.

    So, a chance that Hemsky is the new Eric Daze.

    This is very troublesome when it comes to these points:

    A: does this mean you can never count on him again?

    B: does this impact how the Oilers view him going forward in terms of making him a permanent piece?

    C: how much does this affect his trade value?

    Terrible news all around and I sorta called this by saying that 83 appeared much too upset leaving practice for something that people wanted to believe was a day-to-day thing.

    Terrible.

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  16. Dennis we should just call you Jeremiah, prophet of woe.

    That is bad news about Hemsky, but on the other hand, it should be the door that Omark can walk through to the big league.

    I don't think the management will do it, but they should.

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  17. I don't think the management will do it, but they should.

    Why not? If Hemsky's getting IRed, presumably they're calling someone up, and I agree with Woodguy that it's either Omark or Reddox. Omark better replicates Hemsky's skill set (I mean, he's not going to be able to handle the toughs nearly as well, obviously, but he's a finesse scorer, just like Hemsky), while Reddox would address a need the team has had since training camp and before. Either is fine with me, neither is going to make this team non-terrible, and I can't imagine that they don't do one or the other.

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  18. Renney off day

    re:callup--"we probably will but I don't know who or when"

    he said they're still working through this with Tambi.

    Jesus this is a kick in the nards.

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  19. "SS"

    I think Omark is the better fill for a top 9 role. Reddox is the better fill for the black hole that currently skates around in JFJ's spot.

    Both guys should be here, but my vote to fill Hemmer's space is Omark. Because, of course, my vote counts.

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  20. Bring up Omark and 85 and send 28 back to the 4th line and get rid of one of 22 and 33 for good.

    28-85-46 on the fourth line and 16 as the 13th forward.

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  21. Later in the podcast he's asked about Jones' play and perhaps moving him into the top 9-that maybe gives ginger the inside track imo.

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  22. BQ: it was just hearing about 83's behaviour when he left the ice; it seemed like a big reaction for something that was originally being referred to as a minor matter.

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  23. I agree Gerta,

    Jones seems to have earned himself an extended look in the top 9. It may be that they don't bring up anyone. But if they do, it will likely be a 4th liner.

    Red Ox fits this bill better than Omark.

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  24. I think the Braintrust could go down any of three roads on this one, and it seems ridiculous to say one avenue is more likely than another.

    One things for sure, with the play of Jones recently, there's no need to rush.

    I think we should also keep in mind that Renney said "could be upwards of a month". This means it also could be two weeks.

    Dennis...

    I like that reaction of Hemsky. shows some passion and compete level that he's pissed he's missing games.

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  25. You have to bring up Omark to see what you have in him.

    They should know what they have in Reddox and he should have a roster spot over 33 if they are keeping both 22/46.

    If Omark doesn't make the team next year out of camp he has an out to back to the KHL. You must bring him up to see if he fits into future plans.

    At the very least it will give him some NHL games so scouts from other teams can have a look.

    Terrible player management if they don't bring him up.

    If he ends up bolting next year instead of getting traded its even worse.

    Based on the current top 9 (when healthy) he doesn't have spot, and there is every chance he's a better player than 13 or 67. You hear reports of his ability to win battles against bigger players, which 13 and 67 struggle with.

    He also might get a spot That if they sell Penner for a high end prospect at or before the deadline.

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  26. You have to bring up Omark to see what you have in him.

    I cannot agree more, but I don't know if anyone tasked with the future success of the team can see that far. Good thing they have Hall hiding their shortcomings.

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  27. ROM's performance in OKC this year could come bite Fraser in this ass sometime or another.

    ,66 PPG 1 G 13 A (My guess that his SH% must be super low so once luck goes his way numbers will increase) and +12.

    The kid has done everything right so far.

    LT: Did O'Marra improve enough to make the cut?

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  28. I've got nothing against 28 but if you've got an injury in the top nine and an ~24 year old going at a PPG in the A and he's Not the guy you bring up?

    Well then why in the fuck did you sign him in the first place.

    Jesus christ, this is Ryan Jones we're talking about here.

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  29. Dennis: Agreed. Altough it could improve the team and threaten Strudwick's vending machine position when Hemsky comes back.

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  30. Hall-Horcoff-Eberle
    Penner-Cogliano-Brule
    MPS-Gagner-Reddox
    Jones-Fraser-Omark
    Stortini

    waive JFJ or SSuck.

    ?

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  31. Hemsky injury should contribute to us missing the playoffs while Hall's strong play will help us finsih outside of the lottery.

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