Sunday, December 5, 2010

#11 Prospect: Devan Dubnyk

Winter 2009: #12
Summer 2010: #10

Winter 2010: #11








This is Devan Dubnyk's final appearence on the top 20. After making the list (and before posting this) he played enough games for him to graduate my list. I considered dropping him, but in the end he made the grade because he ranked this high and because he could be a big part of this future. Dubnyk's development took forever, but the Oilers look to have done it right. Unlike Jeff Deslauriers, who was loaned out, farmed out, shut out and is now being phased out, Dubnyk's path look a more logical route. The Edmonton Oilers allowed him to find his way at his own pace. It may pay off, as the club might have an actual NHL goaltender at the end of the rainbow.
Redline: absolutely gigantic at 6-5/190 pounds. He's gangly and plays a stand-up style with patience and an economy of motion, allowing the puck to come to him. But his rebound control and ability to read plays needs some work.

International Scouting Services: covers a lot of net and plays a strong positional game. He plays with a lot of confidence, and stays calm under pressure. Going into the second half of the season look for Dubnyk to take on a key role with the team. With Kirk McLean as his goaltending coach he has help with the mental side of his game. Endurance shouldn’t be a concern, extra weight lifting and cardiovascular work has increased his fitness.


Dubnyk's story must include a word about the pitiful teams he's played for over the years. Kamloops was a tough team, but lacked talent and had a tendency to give up a lot of 3-on-5 opportunities (Dubnyk also took a tremendous number of penalties for stick work). Still, his junior work got him noticed and he was among the WHL's top dozen goalies each season:
  • 2002-03: 26gp, 3.10, .907 2so (SP 8th OV)
  • 2003-04: 44gp, 2.51, .917 6so (SP 10th OV)
  • 2004-05: 65gp, 2.69, .912 6so (SP 12th OV)
  • 2005-06: 54gp, 2.54, .912 1so (SP 12th OV)
When turning pro, Dubnyk faced an Oiler depth chart that included Dwayne Roloson and Jussi Markkanen at the NHL level, minstrel gypsy Deslauriers playing for Wilkes-Barre/Scranton and Dubnyk setting up shop in ECHL Stockton:
  • 2006-07 (ECHL): 43gp, 2.56, .921 2so (SP tied for 3rd OV)
This was viewed by many as a wasted season, but Dubnyk did get his feet wet in pro hockey and played at well above league average during his time in California. It was a nice stepping stone to his AHL debut with the Springfield Falcons the following year:
  • 2007-08 (AHL): 33gp, 3.12, .904 0so (SP 33rd OV)
Deslauriers was the starter (57 games, .912) and Roloson had been joined at the NHL level by Mathieu Garon. Dubnyk was ahead of Bryan Pitton and Glenn Fisher, but was miles from being an NHL goaltender.
  • 2008-09 (AHL): 62gp, 2.97 .906 3so (SP ties for 28th OV)
  • 2009-10 (AHL): 33gp, 3.02 .915 0so (SP ties for 14th OV)
Dubnyk slowly moved up the list of AHL goaltenders looking for an NHL shot, and 09-10 seemed to be the season where he emerged as an equal option for "goalie of the future" in Edmonton. Although JDD got all the starts, the reports from Springfield were glowing and the Oilers had another option for the future. Here's his NHL numbers so far:
  • 2009-10 (NHL): 19gp, 3.57 .889 0so (SP 72nd out of 83 goalies)
  • 2010-11 (NHL): 9gp, 3.20 .913 0so (SP tied for 33rd out of 67 goales)
Dubnyk's progress can be measured all down the line. The Oilers made a lot of mistakes with picks and prospects in this decade, but Dubnyk's handling looks like it was just about right.
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Former Oilers goalie coach Pete Peeters said something after Dubnyk's rookie AHL season I've always remembered:
  • "You see how many shots that guy faced (1,910 in 62 games)? And his save percentage (.906)? I thought he played really well, considering the team he played on. You have to be tough mentally when you're not winning that many games and putting in those kind of performances."
Here are some select quotes from 2008-09 and earlier:
  • NHL Scout: "He's the best goaltender in the league, and he's got the worst record." After watching the Falcons lose a Jan. 30 game at Worcester.
  • Rob Daum: "In Devan's case, losing is part of the challenge. He has to concentrate on his performance, not on the outcome. That's the way to evaluate him. And the mental toughness has to be there for the next game. He did a very good job in that game."
  • Jeff Truitt: "Devan's a workhorse. He was a workhorse then, and he is now. Back in junior, the more he would play, the better he would get, and here he's getting better and better."
  • Lowell Devils coach Kurt Kleinendorst: “He’s big in the net. He’s got a nice presence about him, very calming. You can see the potential in him.”
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I've hired Asiaoil (although there's no money in it) as my goalie expert, and here's what he said in May 2010:
  • Dubnyk is 2 years younger than JDD and is significantly further along in terms of development than JDD was at the same age.
  • After a rough initial period of getting used to the NHL game after his first call up (common for young goalies) he outplayed the more experienced JDD down the stretch.
  • SPR was decent with Dubnyk who they relied on a lot and was absolutely awful without him. 
  • Athletic goalies with bad technique look like JDD - occasionally spectacular but having a tendency to regularly let in a soft goal. Making the big save is not however what keeps you employed in the NHL - it's eliminating the softies which cost wins.
  • Although he is not as athletic - Dubnyk's technique is way better than JDDs who still has frighteningly big holes in his game. NHL goaltending is about consistency and that is something that JDD has never shown anywhere in his pro resume.
  • It's no contest - you keep DD and give him 30 starts next years with a vet to continue his development. The latter part of the season showed that DD has potential - whether that potential is realized is another issue - but we already know JDD's upside is backup NHL goalie and should not waste any more development time (and wins) on that.

13 comments:

  1. Dubey! The future of Edmonton Oilers! Yes, I'm confident he will keep on shining. Would love to see him get more starts then he seems likely to be handed.

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  2. I'll cover anonymous's part.... WHAT STILL NO PETRY!, RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

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  3. LT LMAO

    I, too, have difficulty judging goalies. Some people can do, some cannot. The Oilers in the early to mid 80's had someone who could look at 30-40 goalies and successfully rate them.

    DD..... is getting it. What is more, he may be able to develop into a top 10-15 goalie that can lead to late runs into the playoffs

    Play him lots

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  4. I've been reading LT for quite a while yet and seems to me there was a post a couple years ago about Wild, Chorney and Petry and Petry was not rated all that high.

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  5. Deslaurier's save % this year in the A is 0.887 in 8 starts.

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  6. Thanks for the job LT :)

    Nah you and I have just followed this kid for what seems like ages (2004 draft) and while he slowly developed - all the other 1st round guys who were touted as better have just faded away (Montoya, Schwarz, Pogge). It's pretty much a toss up between DD and Schneider as the only decent goalies out of all 33 drafted that year. Pekka Rinne is OK as well but he was on overager if I'm not mistaken. Pogge I'm not surprised about as well as I was sure he had a lower ES SP in his last year than DD even though the hype machine was going full tilt on him (not that the WHL actually provides that stat - buggers...). DD faced a ton of PK time in Kamloops - especially 5-3.

    So I enjoy watching him develop at a sundial pace - but have changed my mind about drafting the goalers. Just use a late round pick on draft and follow guys who have dropped (like Roy) seems a far better route - and trade for a developed goalie (like Halak) if necessary because they are cheap to acquire.

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  7. What I remember about him on his way up was what Horcoff said about him last year after the game where he made 50-odd saves in LA and it was something like how he's steady and calm in the net and considering we were using both rookies at the time I took at that as 10 being firmly in DD's corner.

    I loved how he played at CTL last week and now I'm hoping they don't forget about him with Khabby being on fire in his first approx 121 min since coming off the IR.

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  8. I suspect with a goalie that big and tall there has to be a certain amount of growing into one's frame and becoming comfortable in it. I'm rooting for him.

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  9. gogliano:

    I feel the same way, to an extent. It took Sean Burke a couple of years as a pro to round into shape, at the expense of the New Jersey Devils. Once he landed in Hartford he was quality. Maybe it was because he had finally gotten comfortable in his own body, or maybe he found the mythical goalie switch hidden within every human being.

    In saying this however, we have to give credence to the fact that Jeff Deslauriers is also a large mammal. So there's a counter-argument to the "taking time to get comfortable in the big body" school of thought.

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  10. Lowetide is even letting graduated prospects onto the list to keep Petry out!

    Also, can we start calling JDD "Minstrel Gipsy" now?

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  11. Thank you LT. I appreciate you for taking the time to go out and find these quotes, scouting reports, and research on all of these prospects. You do an excellent job of bringing the picture into focus on each of these young men, and provide rational and reasonably unbiased (compared to the MSM amaizingly unbiased) perspectives on them. I know a lot of other people feel this way too - in politics they say for every person who bothers to talk to you about something, they represent another hundered who feel the same way.

    I'd say with the internet, it's closer to a thousand.

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  12. Just as a heads up, the Falcons were competing for #1 in the Conference last year when Doobie was called up. Once he was called up, they went on a HUGE losing streak (17 in a row or something horrible).

    So that emphasizes the comment that the Falcons "were decent" with Dubnyk and awful without him.

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