Tuesday, November 30, 2010

#7 Prospect: Tyler Pitlick



















Winter 2009: NR
Summer 2010: #4

Winter 2010: #7

Tyler Pitlick has all kinds of positive arrows. He's a big kid (6.02, 194 according to the WHL website) and has a wide range of skills. Most of the scouting services had him inside the first round for the 2010 draft and the names dropped for comparables (Max Pacioretty) have a nice speed/size/skill resume.

Tyler Pitlick continues the Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor trend away from Coke Machines (big, sturdy items who may or not be able to play the game at NHL speed) and toward hockey players with size (a better list to draw from for NHL teams). Tyler Pitlick has size and speed, but there's also a hockey player there.
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Pitlick's pre-draft scouting reports are quality.
  • Redline Report: "Began season playing the wing on a scoring line, but spent the last quarter of the year shouldering more responsibility centering Mankato's third line. Accelerates briskly out of cross-over and blows by defenders. Has an NHL calibre shot right now. Flashed the ability to power through defenders. Can gain separation in corners with sharp twists and can turn on a dime. Patient playmaker. Long-limbed with farmboy like strength. Aggressive and finished checks. Can shield the puck and work it down low, but often gives it up due to his eagerness to come off the wall and attempt to dance around defenders. Work in progress defensively - will come back deep and battle for the puck but lacks awareness in coverage assignments. Green in many facets and was stuck on a Mankato team that was every man for himself, but was a big-time talent."
  • Bob McKenzie: "Tyler Pitlick is the nephew of former NHL defenceman Lance Pitlick and scored 11 goals as a freshman at Mankato State University. A late 1991 birthdate, he was an offensive player in the Minnesota high school system but will have to prove he can put up numbers with each step up in competition, but he plays a solid enough all-around game to garner first round consideration."
  • ISS: "A big hard-nosed centerman who can play with finesse and power. It’s that combination of skill and brawn that makes Pitlick such an intriguing prospect. ... His hands are quick and smart and he moves the puck quickly with good accuracy. He plays smart all over and shoots the puck very well, with his feet moving."
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In moving Pitlick behind Marincin and Hamilton, much of it has to do with his offense. Early in the season, Pitlick wasn't helping much and although he's improved a great deal lately there's still some questions about how much he'll score.

When he was drafted, a lot of the information that was made available implied he didn't get much playing time. However, his early WHL boxcars (21gp, 11-12-23 +4) suggest he may not be an offensive juggernaut. If we post his Desjardins numbers by season (last year's NCAA season and his current WHL season) we get this per 82gp:
  • Age 17 (NCAA) 11-7-18
  • Age 18 (WHL) 13-14-27
Desjardins NHLE's in the range among Oiler prospects who played in the CHL as 18-year olds: Toni Rajala (11-15-26), Phil Cornet (11-17-28) and Jordan Eberle (14-16-30). Pitlick still has time and he is definitely improving (in his last 7 games, Pitlick is 7-4-11, +5) but I'm not certain that his offense last season was mostly due to lack of playing time.
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One of the ways we can read him offensively is to see when he's posting offense. If Pitlick isn't getting a lot of playing time with the man advantage, then his EV number should be strong and therefore his potential would/could be higher.
  • EVS: 21gp: 9-9-18 (.857)
  • PP: 21gp, 2-3-5 (.238)
  • PK: 21gp, 0-0-0 (.000)
That's a pretty fair EV number. Hamilton (.840) has a similar number. Hmmm. Let's take a look at the other Medicine Hat skill forwards and see what they're doing at even strength:
  1. Linden Vey 24gp, 11-16-27 (1.125)
  2. Tyler Pitlick 21gp, 9-9-18 (.857)
  3. Emerson Etem 24gp, 8-9-17 (.708)
  4. Ryan Harrison 24gp, 6-11-17 (.708)
  5. Hunter Shinkaruk 22gp, 5-9-14 (.636)
  6. Wacey Hamilton 24gp, 5-10-15 (.625)
Hmmm again. MBS should just fly to Vegas. He'd own the team by midnight.
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There's a very interesting article on Pitlick here. Anyone looking into the NCAA-CHL battle should read Pitlick's viewpoint. Here's one on how he is adjusting to the different styles of play between the two leagues.
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No word yet on Pitlick's chances on making the American squad for this year's World Junior championships in Buffalo. I'd have to think he has a good chance to make the team in a checking role.
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One item that I find interesting is Pitlick's on again, off again time at center. In the NCAA he spent much of the season on RW, then moved over for (as Redline stated above) the last quarter of the season. This year, he's also playing on the wing to start the year. It'll be interesting to see if he moves over to C as the season rolls along.
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Pitlick took a lot of shots on goal in the NCAA, but the WHL doesn't release that information. It causes reefer madness.
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If there's one player I can see getting fast-tracked from the 2010 draft group (aside from Hall) it's this guy. If he can establish himself as a 2-way player in a tough league like the WHL I think they might take a long look at him next fall.

20 comments:

  1. The prospect pool is deep when a guy who was just drafted, who should've gone in the first round, is 7th.

    In past years he could've been second or third. Maybe first, in the Michael Henrich- Michel Riesen years.

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  2. Kesler as a comp?

    We could only dream I guess but sounds like a similar player type.

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  3. This kid looked the least out of place at main camp out of all the kids who went back to the CHL.

    I'm loving the larger, skilled kids coming up. Hope fully the Oilers roster can have the size of San Jose or Vancouver in a few years without sacrificing skill. Small players can play an succeed in the NHL, but its still a big man's game.

    Since you moved up Hamilton and Marcincin due to fast offensive starts, I'm interested to see where you slot Martindale (6'3" 190lb) given that he is on fire in Ottawa with 17-23-40 in 27 games.

    He's 6th in OHL scoring, but both linemates, Toffoli and Prince are ahead of him in points. No invite to WJR team.

    Enjoying the series as usual sir.

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  4. Can't wait to hear Principe's puns using Pitlick as his source in a couple years time.

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  5. Pitlick has only now started to come on his own. He has 9 points in 5 games now and I believe he should continue to play well offensively

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  6. Pretty fair rankings so far LT. Most heavy weighting is on pedigree but certainly guys that are beating their draft number are getting the push.

    I'm a few days late but two comments on Peckham:

    1. Lord knows, LT, that you have your faves for prospects (Poo, Trukhno) and you have guys you aren't as high on (Smid, Schremp). Historically, I haven't really thought of you as much of a judge of future NHL potential but rather,a fan boy (like the rest of us) with a great ability to compile data. You do fine when you let the data make the rankings but tend to suffer when you inject your own scouting.

    Lately though, it seems like you've become a fucking oracle and Peckham may just be the feather in your cap. I can recall you ranking this guy way higher than I thought he deserved to be on numerous occasions and damned if you weren't bang on. Same (opposite) goes with Smid. Are you evaluating differently or just hitting it on the flop?

    2. I have very little doubt Teddy P. will be or already is a Top 4 defenseman but my concern with this player is longevity. Guys like Peckham are from the Phaneuf tree and they always seem to go Supernova early in their career but complacency, that one big injury or a lost fight changes them for life. Mike Komisarek is another example. When the insanely fearless hitting disappears, you're left with a no offense, weak positional defenseman. How long can Peckham keep this up and if he does change his game into a more typically "responsible" defenseman, can he be effective?

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  7. @ Woodguy, Marincin and Hamilton are both driving the offense on their respective teams. However, for Martindale, it looks more as if he is benefiting of Toffoli and Prince. But he has done quite well.

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  8. Has anyone heard anything about how "mean" Pitlick can be? I have been reading that he thinks he is more effective when he is playing the body, and he did receive that 3-game suspension for a kneeing incident, but what does that tell us?

    They always say you can't teach size, but you also can't teach asshole. Part of the reason Getzlaf, Perry, Kesler, Briere, Morrow are effective is because they simply seem to play like they are jerks.

    Peckham has that element to his game, it would be nice to have a forward to compliment him up front.

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  9. Great series as always, LT. Just catching up now.

    I had a chance to see both Marincin and Pitlick play live when their teams passed thru Edmonton in mid-October. Pitlick was impressive and Marincin just blew me away, especially for a guy who'd been on our side of the pond for what, a month or maybe six weeks by then. He was already dominating. Against the Oil Kings, mind, but still ...

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  10. What about this Linden Vey character?
    4th rounder, putting up 47 in 24 games. Does Stu have a brother works in LA?

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  11. Could Pitlick develop into a Joel Otto comparable? because if so, his lack of scoring will become completely irrelevant. Otto did not score but my God could that guy play!!!

    Hilarious that even today Otto and Messier refuse to speak to each other

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  12. Alice: Checked out Medicine Hat because of that.

    Damn, Hunter Shinkaruk.

    18 points in 22 games as a 15 years old!

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  13. Alice: Kids looked like his hands were touched by god.

    He has to have amazing talent to be able to play at 15 with a 5''10 frame.

    Probably will be the N1 pick in 2 years :P.

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  14. Well... looks like the Trashers caught lightning in a bottle with Byfuglien moving to the D.

    Guy has a Rocket shot. On PPG pace with no inflated SH%

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  15. Btw:

    We should all vote in Strudwick to the All-Star game.

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  16. FPV: Every team needs a stabilizing presence in the room. Why should the All-Star team be any different?

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  17. IIRC, Eberle had a pretty darn good post-draft season in the WHL. If even his NHLE for that year was only 30 points, that's not saying much for ANY post-draft player in the 'Dub, is it? How many points would such a player have to put up to prove that he could be legitimate NHLer?

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  18. I like the size and the press clippings but I want him to be playing pivot right now.

    I want us to have big pivots rotting off the vine because we can always make them wingers when they get to the show.

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