Ryan Jones is a complete wildcard in regard to the Edmonton Oilers roster. He has size (6.01, 206) and plays with a lot of energy; he has some offensive ability (15 goals in 95 NHL games) and he can play either wing.Jones has a fairly lengthy injury list for a player of his age (26). Jones earlier this year: "It's my first so-called healthy summer since I've been out of college. It's a summer where I can develop -- get bigger and faster."
Jones is not considered an outstanding 2-way player, but it is difficult to resist slotting him in the "Pisani-Grier" role on the 10-11 team (failing a trade) due to lack of experienced candidates. Based on his scouting report, he would be miscast as a checker.
Which means we're talking about a skill line or a 4th line energy role. On the 4line, he will be in competition for playing time with names like Andrew Cogliano, JF Jacques, Linus Omark, Zack Stortini and Steve MacIntyre. The skill line competition is covered below.
- Boxcars: 49gp, 8-4-12
- Shots: 62
- Plus Minus: Even
- Corsi (Rel): -3.3
- GF GA ON: 15-14
- 5x5/60: 1.21
- 5x4/60: 2.47
- Cap Hit: $975,000 (UFA 2011)
- What do these numbers tell us? Not a lot, he played for two different teams and scored 8 goals in half a season with the one that let him go. We can't really use the qual comp numbers because he played with two teams last year. I do think there's some offensive ability there and if he could manage a powerforward role (Jones: "They said they didn't really have a ton of guys that fit my role. A power forward, goes to the net -- that's what they picked me up for.") and be aware enough defensively its possible he could develop into a top 6 forward. Its a long shot, though.
- How could these numbers be better? They're pretty good for a role player (10:21 a night). Jones played about 6 hours in the NHL last season, an hour of that time on the PP. So, 8 goals is a fairly nice output based on those factors. There's some juice here.
- So you do see him in an offensive role. Not really, but there's something about him that we should be aware of offensively. He's a robust player, has some size, and if his hands are soft enough to cash from the goal mouth on the PP it gives the team another option. He did score a couple of powerplay goals in Nashville.
- He scored a lot in college. He did score well in college, with seasons of 22, 29 and 31 goals. He was in a Hobey race too, so there's a nice story to tell.
- Nashville is stacked on both wings. I don't know about stacked, but if you were building a case for Jones as an offensive winger you could argue his chances were diminished because of the depth chart. Hornqvist, Sullivan, Erat and Dumont all scored 45+ points a year ago and Jones wasn't going to crack that group.
- Jones as a top 6 forward? How could that happen? Penner and Hemsky will take 2 slots, and Taylor Hall gets first rip based on pedigree and the fact we know the Oilers will want their new Golden Boy to succeed in a big way. After that, we have Brule (possibly moved to center); Pääjärvi (likely to get a look at some point); Cogliano (the organization might want to give him a last chance to deliver offensively); Eberle (also a possible center). It is a crowded group but no one owns that 2line RW job outright at this time.
- How does he score goals? Ryan Smyth style, off people's butts, tap-ins, deflections. He has something else in common with Smyth too.
- If he's on a scoring line, who is on the checking line with Fraser? God only knows. Jones might not be an ideal candidate for any of the roles we're talking about but his resume suggests he's better suited for a skill role.
- What would have to happen to make this possible? If he scored 2 in the first pre-season game playing alongside Gagner and Pääjärvi then he'd get another shot deeper into the pre-season. If he does that enough--and brings a physical edge on a line with one of the offensive kids--then he might have a window of opportunity that rolls into the regular season.
- How important is Jones to the organization? Not at all important. He's making less than a million and if he falls flat in camp they could send him out and keep a guy like Reddox. Having said that, there's something about Ryan Jones.
Prediction for 2010-11: 69gp, 10-12-22
Interesting player offers interesting options
If Jones gets a top 6 job we're in deep shit.
ReplyDeleteHe's got the good college career and was batting .275 in the A two years ago... It's tough to say what this guy is going to be because he's been so injured.
ReplyDeleteAnyone seen Buster Posey? How many catchers came up so soon while batting for average power and being good defensively?
ReplyDeleteJeez. Anyone know if there's been kids like this in the past? (I don't know Baseball much prior to the 1994 lockout)
spOILer: Yeah, that's what makes me think he might find a more offensive role. Any number of things could happen to prevent it, but he has some nice things on the resume and has played in the NHL.
ReplyDeleteInjuries are a concern though.
@flaming
ReplyDeleteI remember a young Ivan Rodriguez (the power came later) or maybe Benito Santiago in the late eighties
FPB: Off the top off my head? I'd say Mike Piazza. Didn't see him in his prime, but Carter was something too; I guess Fisk befor that, etc etc etc...
ReplyDeleteBut yeah, right off the bat, I'd say Piazza. Couldn't throw to second base to save his life, but man, what a hitter.
Any old-school expos fans care to chime in on my Carter/Fisk comp?
Jones definitely is a wildcard. His range for next season as I see it could be anywhere between the D.L. for the majority of the time to effectively filling the big guy with decent wheels on the top line role that JFFJ failed at last season.
ReplyDeleteI also don't know baseball prior to the lockout, really.
ReplyDeleteBut I can't believe nobody's mentioned Mauer yet. He hit right away, in his early twenties and he's an outstanding defensive catcher. Just an awesome ball player really. Gets overlooked a bit playing in Minny and having Morneau put up the sexier numbers, but IMO arguably the most valuable position player in baseball not name Pujols.
Also, projecting baseball prospects is a crapshoot at best, but as far as exciting young catchers go, there's a decent chance that Bryce Harper will be very, very special. Seems to be a generational-type talent.
Blackbyrd: I have a hard time saying a 1st Baseman is your best player, it's usually not a great fielder. Right now i'd switch between Josh Hamilton and A-Rod.
ReplyDeleteAlso on Mauer, I think it's Minnesota thing, not being exposed that much. And the fact that he has only 1 season with big HR numbers, last year, cast aside that one and it's average. (For HR)
If Posey played a complete season (140 games let's say) he would project for around 20 HR's.
@flaming:
ReplyDeleteNormally I'd agree with you re: first basemen. Two mitigating factors with respect to Pujols IMO.
1. He's just so damn good at the plate. Easily the best hitter in baseball, I feel. He's OPS'ed over 1.000 in seven of his nine pro seasons, and he's never put up an OPS under .900. All with very little lineup protection for most of his career; Holliday is the best he's ever had, and that's much, much less than the quasi-all star teams A-Rod's played with for much of his career (even in Texas he had Palmeiro, Pudge, Juan Gonzalez etc.)
2. A first baseman's defensive value is limited, at best. However, Pujols is fantastic at first, and pretty much maximizes that limited available value. Certainly provides as much as an above average, but not gold-glove calibre, corner outfielder (e.g., Hamilton).
That being said, Hamilton is awesome, as is A-Rod, obviously. I still think I'd take Mauer, Pujols, and Hanley Ramirez over either of those two.
P.S: Sorry for highjacking this thread with baseball talk. I love the blog Lowetide, but I'm still learning hockey. You've been the best resource I've found online as I've learned more about hockey, BTW.
Stampeders 56 - Shelbyville 15
ReplyDeleteWowzers.
Blackbyrd: Hanley is defintly something, having such a hitter at SS is golden.
ReplyDeleteWell Hanley has had a tougher season at the plate and many say his defense isn't that good at the SS so I don't think he'd be my pick to build a team around.
ReplyDeletePlus A-Rod is a cheater and devoid of a personality. His roidless numbers are declining and he's another guy I'd pass on building a team around.
Smarmy: A good bunch of people are having a bad year at the plate. Them pitchers dominating. Ryan Zimmerman would be a nice choice to build around.
ReplyDeleteAs for Rodriguez he's still league leader in RBI. Looking solely on the 3 past years i'd take Hamilton all the way tough.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention his penalty-drawing, LT - he's the best the Oilers have had since Erik Cole in that department.
ReplyDeleteBlackbyrd: I don't think LT's gonna complain about a little baseball talk, considering half the posts on this site have baseball analogies. ;)
ReplyDeleteRamirez had a drought where he went over 30 games without an extra base hit. That's pretty yuck.
ReplyDeleteRodriguez's RBI total is worthless as far as determining his value.
JT, did you miss the link at the end of point 7 ?
ReplyDeleteHe already linked to this brilliant article from this stats guy !
:o))
And Bill Lee will be the starting pitcher in a pro league at the age of 63. What the hell is going on.
ReplyDelete(A bad pro league but heh)
I know this isn't relevant to Ryan Jones, but:
ReplyDeleteI saw Jason Smith today dropping off laundry at the drycleaners here in Calgary. I haven't seen his face on so long I had to ask the woman inside just to be sure: "Yes, the big man's last name was Smith," she assured me.
Poor guy looked like a bum. Baggy jeans, baseball hat drawn low over his face, with long hair growing out underneath it and the man could use a good shave.
It got me reminiscing, of course, about Summer 06 and that led me back to present day, thinking about our current D-corps. The Oilers have recently invited past players to previous camps (Anson Carter comes to mind); is it crazy to think Gator could get an invite? Or, a more reasonable scenario: what older, almost-off-the-radar veteran shutdown D-men are out there that the Oilers might want to take a look at?
Smith was always haggard looking. It was part of his charm. No way he comes back after sitting out an entire season.
ReplyDeleteI still wouldn't mind seeing Lilja sign with the Oil if he's concussion symptom free these days.
@ Regwald:
ReplyDeleteThanks, apparently so.