In the long history of the Edmonton Oilers, there have been just a few measurable changes in fortune. The Boys on The Bus begat the Glory Years; Pocklington's Purse begat the bloodletting which begat the wandering in the wilderness after the Messier trade; then came the Weight-Joseph years filled with the prospects gathered from dealing the Boys on the Bus; finally, the long coda that was the "Boys On The Bus run the store" era, spiking in 2006 summer and then ending with a long, painful decline.
Oiler fans have suffered long enough and today signals the dawn of a new era. There are going to be growing pains and there will be more changes at all levels before the club can contend for the Stanley; but today is an important turning point in the history of the Edmonton Oilers.
A great talent--the best of his draft class--will don an Oiler uniform this evening in Los Angeles. It's a brand new day.
Hope.
ReplyDeleteI will be asleep when it happens. Hope you all enjoy the show. I will awake to a new era of Oilers Hockey. The nightmare is nearly over!!!
ReplyDelete*mumble in my sleep to wife: the center-man is sexy.*
*Wife mumbles back: I know*
Sweet dreams!
macaotim: Oh my.
ReplyDeleteIt's a pretty exciting time. I'm excited at the prospect of seeing this team improve noticeably (not necessarily greatly) over the course of the next two seasons. I'm excited because I see much of that improvement being directly correlated to the learning curve of a few important players: Hall/Seguin, MPS, Eberle, Gagner, and perhaps Dubnyk.
Here's top hoping the next four seasons are better than the past four. Some of you guys can't wait too long. ;)
Should be a fun day and night.
ReplyDeleteAnd finally the debate as to who they should pick is going to end. and then the debate as to who they should have picked will begin.
I like Seguin myself but Hall is a fine pick as well. They really can't go wrong but I'd take the pivot.
BDHS: I'd prefer Hall but agree the Oilers can't go wrong tonight (unless they trade the pick).
ReplyDeleteA few things: the player mentioned last night as being a man and off the charts in testing? I believe it is Nick Bjugstad.
The Oilers are apparently looking to trade into the first round and it MIGHT be way up in the first round.
So LT what do we have to give up to get back into the first round, and hgh up if you are right? Both 2nd rd picks and Riley Nash and a roster player? Does Cogliano, Nash and two 2nd rd picks do it? Does a team like Atlanta, who made moves to bring in NHL players and who need to make a playoff push this year in order to keep their franchise, are they the team you target? Personally i think The Isles and the Thrashers are the most likely to consider trading out of the first round if it brings them some NHL players. We always talk about dumping our bad contracts, but both teams have tons of cap space and need NHL players. FYI Atlanta once they sign their RFA's will have almost $20 mill in cap space and may need players to reach the salary bottom.
ReplyDeleteFor fun how about:
Cogliano, JDD, Nash and our 2 2nd rd picks (and possibly O'Sullivan or Nilsson or Moreau if they want NHL bodies and need to reach salary floor)
to Altlanta for
the 9th pick and Anthony Stewart (I've mentioned him before as a possible big body AHL vet we can bring in)and maybe another prospect.
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ReplyDeleteSo, here we are, Betty or Veronica?
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ReplyDeleteran into another oiler fan at universal studios yesterday. could be a few of us in the stands.
ReplyDeletegoing early to get pics of the family with the cup. even one of the daughters is interested in that. the other one is too cool for this day but is tolerating the rest of us.
what is the best way to follow the rumours on your cell phone? Bob Mckenzie is the most reliable twitter but only posts things that are pretty much done.
God help me, but I'm hopeful again.
ReplyDeleteWoodguy - admitting that you have a problem is the first step of getting better. All of us here are Oiler Fans just like you, and were here for you, every day, to support you and help you as you fight these urges of hope
draft day is FINALLY here! let's see who they pick at #1, but also who they pick in at #31. i'm curious as to who will have dropped out of the bottom of the 1st to the top of the 2nd, so we can draft him. (if we don't trade up).
ReplyDeleteLowetide wrote: ...the player mentioned last night as being a man and off the charts in testing? I believe it is Nick Bjugstad.
ReplyDeleteGuy Flaming wrote in the comments at their site:
"My belief is that the player talked about in the OIL CHANGE documentary as being the dark horse, who tested off the charts in terms of leadership etc, is Austin Watson of the Peterborough Petes.
Kevin Prendergast described Watson as a player who, at the combine, blew people (Oilers?) away with their psycho-tests... it makes sense."
Quite OT, but i was just wondering, at the time when ninnimaki was drafted, and there was great consternation among the oil faithful, who exactly were they supposed to draft? There were not exactly any sure shots left at 15, most of the other players in 02 before the second round ended up being depth players. Obviously most of them would have been better than ninnimaki, my point is, its not like they passed on parise to get him.
ReplyDeleteThat is what will be interesting, seeing if they can move up and snag another first rounder.
ReplyDeleteI think Hall will be the pick. I'm not gnashing my teeth about it. I think its to the point that he is the #1 guy in most eyes and he's the sexier pick on tiop of it and I think that counts for enough to push him over the edge.
Should be fun tonight.
LT: I think it's Austin Watson. After moving into a top 6 role with the Petes he scored 20 points in 10 games. Another month scoring like that would move him into the top 5. At least in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteLT: Over on Coming Down the Pipe Guy Flaming shared this, "My belief is that the player talked about in the OIL CHANGE documentary as being the dark horse, who tested off the charts in terms of leadership etc, is Austin Watson of the Peterborough Petes...Kevin Prendergast described Watson as a player who, at the combine, blew people (Oilers?) away with their psycho-tests... it makes sense."
ReplyDeleteI can see the maturity in Watson as he is the oldest of eight kids (six younger brothers). He also continued to improve after being traded from Windsor to the Petes this season.
I like this Austin Powers kid. He's groovy.
ReplyDeletePlus I'm hungover.
This is going to be a long day.
Tambellini can go a long way to restoring his reputation with some astute moves today and tomorrow. Raiding teams who need cap space for lower dollars (ie Souray to Atl) or simply picking up spare picks for players who mean nothing to the team (Moreau, POS, Nilsson) and maybe even packaging hope for a real NHL guy (Cogs + Nash for tough D) are all possibilities.
ReplyDeleteThe time for dithering is past, the time for decisive foresighted moves is upon us! Go Steve.
Yeah, just heard a scout on the Team raving about Watson. It must be him.
ReplyDeleteand with the first pick overall, the Edmonton Oilers select...
ReplyDelete"Austin Watson"
Kind of cool that the second round is tomorrow as a lot of interesting names will be available tomorrow and many a keyboard will be mashed between now and then.
ReplyDeleteLOL--@book;e....gawd i hope not :-D
ReplyDeleteJust remember that it was bookie who jinxed it.
ReplyDeleteWho do the Oilers trade for the pick to get Watson?
Quite OT, but i was just wondering, at the time when ninnimaki was drafted, and there was great consternation among the oil faithful, who exactly were they supposed to draft? There were not exactly any sure shots left at 15, most of the other players in 02 before the second round ended up being depth players. Obviously most of them would have been better than ninnimaki, my point is, its not like they passed on parise to get him.
ReplyDeleteWell, we traded down from 14 to 15 with Montreal, and they took Chris Higgins. He's had his ups and downs, but I'd take him over nothing-but-downs Jesse N (I'm not even going to guess which letters are duplicated, sorry).
Watson is interesting.
ReplyDelete6'3" LW who flourishes once he leaves a stacked Windsor team goes 2pts/gm over the last 10.
Apparently he was only getting 3rd line minutes on Windsor.
Seguin and Watson today could be a very good day.
I accepted a friend's invite to go down to Rexall for the BBQ and draft party. Free food - or so I'm led to believe - and I'm kinda interested to see how the event goes down, how they spin it, and how (and how many) the faithful drink it all in, but will miss being at my keyboard for all the incisive commentary on the 'sphere.
ReplyDeleteBtw, John MacKinnon wrote a terrific article on that Oil Change "documentary" in today's Edm Journal which is recommended reading, particularly for the infidels like RiversQ, Dennis, Tyler, etc. He really rips Lowe and Katz.
Bets on the first Hall/Seguin Obama-hope-poster graphic appearing on LT?
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing three minutes after the pick. Speaking of, what time does the actual draft part start? TSN says 5, but I'm betting that's their pre-show, and that it's actually 6.
Bruce: MacKinnon ripped off every mock-conversation posted here on LT in the last couple of months. Oh, and a couple of Andy's arena posts. ;)
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling I'm gonna be attached to the internet all day....
ReplyDeleteHow about Souray + Cogs + 2nd/Nash for Rosival and 10OV to take Watson?
ReplyDeleteWG
ReplyDeleteDone
Its a good thing we are authorised to speak for the GMs of these teams.
Get lost anon. You go vote for him.
ReplyDeleteHmm, what would they give up to get into the top ten.
Probably a pile. Probably Penner or Hemsky.
Aside from making the first overall pick (I'm on the Hall side of the equation despite wanting Seguin to be the better player the whole time), the most important thing is for the Oilers to get through today without trading one of their two best forwards for a pick that MIGHT grab them an eventual NHLer who MIGHT be as good or better than those two if your pick is genius. Having Hemsky and Penner around can do more for our 3 young guns than anybody they could take with that pick.
ReplyDeleteNo one has mentioned it yet, but I think the kid with psycho-tests off the charts is Austin Watson.
ReplyDeleteI like when BDHS is hungover and snarky.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I'm in full agreement with LMHF(uno). As long as Lowebellini keeps the tinfoil helmets on and avoid highly informed transmissions from the mothership regarding prospects and trades that are of the dark-horse-genius-boys-on-the-bus-4ever variety, it should be a great day.
Was the forward-on-a-rocket just Magnificent Bastard sowing last minute misinformation about whether the Oilers want McIlrath or whether they want Waston?
ReplyDeleteLook if you are doing the informercial thing, you mighty as well use it for multiple purposes.
Magnificient Bastard has recreated uncertainty about who the Oilers are going for if they are able to get a second pick in the first round.
Anyone know who this mystery guy thats off the charts might be?
ReplyDeleteBob McKenzie has Watson at 14th, and he's usually pretty accurate.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if the Rangers would move that pick, given their affinity for Russians, I'd think there was a good chance they like Tarasenko there.
In fact if the Oilers did get the 10th, I'm not sure I would want to pass on either of Connolly or Tarasenko if both were still on the board; unless of course the medical staff say the hip is shot on one and/or the other stated he has no interest in the NHL.
Gogliano, press ctrl + F on the browser and type in "Watson" without the quotes =).
ReplyDeleteDanny, they've been discussing it on the thread for a while now, just browse through, it's a pretty good read =).
I don't think Hall's moved beyond Seguin to the point where you pick him instead of the guy who addresses the weakness.
ReplyDeleteA selection of Hall puts a lot of pressure on Gagner that's for sure.
Re: Oil Change
ReplyDeleteI think the Org's love for Hall was most obvious in the "doc". The gushing was blatant and, when taken with MagBas Stu's "unwavering support" comment, really serves to cement the winger as The Pick.
Now, I've been as hardline Seguin as a guy can be through this whole process... But I woke up this morning, looked at the back of my blank jersey, and applied "HALL" in masking tape. What did it was the line in Oil Change where Hall is earnestly defending his reckless play:
"I have to go to those places."
Seguin's slicktalk had the opposite effect on me. IIRC, Ashley mentioned a sense of self-entitlement in the last thread. They're both entitled and deserve to feel that way (within reason), but Seguin seemed too concerned with personal achievement. With both players, a feeling bled through the few words we were privy to and it converted me.
I suppose I ought to add the "happy with either" caveat and, indeed, I truly would be...
But the 8-year-old in me wants it to be Hall.
If it's Watson, I think they're really reaching. Kudos to LT though if this is correct....
ReplyDeleteL Austin Watson: 6.03, 185. A wonderful prospect. Big man skates pretty well and has a powerforward's skill set, he has a great work ethic at both ends of the ice. Watson is the least creative forward at the top of the draft, but could flourish with a playmaking center. If the Oilers do trade into the middle of round 1, this is a player they might be looking at in that area.
Seguin definitely comes off as less starry-eyed than Hall does, with a smoother verbal command. However, I think we're jumping to conclusions regarding any "self-entitlement" based on his presentation.
ReplyDeleteI thought they both came across as two very nice young men. I especially liked the way both of them handled babysitting the Katz kids. And yeah, I realize that I sound like my own grandmother there...
Pat Quinn spills the beans they're taking Hall lol.
ReplyDeleteThe biggest tell for me was the interviews in the "Oil Change" Doc.
ReplyDeleteIf you pay attention Hall only really talks about wanting to be apart of a rebuilding team and being there while the Oilers create something special through the slow process of team building and culture change.
Seguin on the other hand talked about how HE was going to perform as a Oiler, how HE could handle the pressure and the media and how HE could improve his game.
They are both amazing prospects and I really believe that the Oil can not go wrong with either pick, but Hall seems like a guy that is going to the true leader and will be able to make sure the entire team is playing as one cohesive unit.
Seguin seems more polished and concerned with saying the "right thing", there is more of a filter on his mouth. Hall seems a lot more raw and genuine to me. This might not have any effect on them as hockey players but it could have a huge effect on the impact they make in the dressing room and on the ice with their fellow teammates.
Either way I will be happy with the pick, but I have a feeling Hall will be a Oiler in under 24 hours.
One thing that "documentary" showed - It appears Seguin has filled out. Hall however, has not. He's going to get a fair bit stronger on an NHL training schedule and he's already got the frame to be 6'1" 205+ if he wants. Seguin's lean, Hall is broad.
ReplyDeletethat's fine, hunter, i personally want Hall.
ReplyDelete"I have to go to those places."
ReplyDeleteThat was a great answer. I'm sure it's recycled but he had some real conviction in his voice. From the looks of his dad, I think he has some real filling out to do, which is good. He seems like a very determined guy. I'm thinking you won't get a tonne of leadership from the guy but he seems likeable enough.
All of Seguins answers were perfect and didn't sound as rehearsed as they probably should have to me. Just a smooth, well spoken, kid. I think he'd be great for the room. Bring some fun back into the game for guys like Gagner and Cogliano. He also strikes me as a guy who would really learn a lot from Horcoff.
I still have no idea who will be better. I'm rooting for Seguin now but I'll be happy with either..
Seguin is winning my flip battle so far 2-1. Here goes nothing...
Flip
and...Seguin wins.
Despite everyones best efforts the mystery guy .......remains a mystery.
ReplyDeleteuni: OH! Boy is my face red. Imagine that, myself and gogliano missed the 6 or 7 posts in the first 20 that discuss Bjugstad or the repeated posts of Watson ;)
ReplyDelete* i think gogliano was just trying to be funny
Not ragging on Seguin at all but Hall really seems to want to be the man in a hockey mad market.
ReplyDeleteKind of kid that would put life and limb at risk to help his team win.
The brightest flames burn shortest but Hall seems like Messier in that everything he'll do in his young life will be at full speed.
So Eric Duhatschek hears that New Jersey is the preferred destination for Souray:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/burke-gets-ready-to-begin-kaberle-auction/article1617134/
Looking at their roster, five of their forwards and one D have no trade clauses, two of the forwards who don't are Zajac and Parise. They only have four D under contract for next year.
So who comes back in such a trade? New Jersey is in pretty good shape capwise but I assume we'd have to take at least one fair sized contract back. Zubrus (3 more years at $3.4M per) looks to me to be the most likely option. That's a lot of money for 40 points a year.
Watson it is. Man these guys can't keep a secret.
ReplyDeleteSeguin seemed smarmier to me and Hall seemed more composed.
It could just be experience with the media. I am sure Hall has had to deal with the spotlight more in Windsor for 3 years than Seguin has had in Plymouth for 2 years.
Not enough of a difference to influence the selection of either.
Hall definitely impressed my with his Oil Change interview. Seguin is clearly the smarter player, but there's something to be said for a lovable lug, too.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, maybe it was just the way the thing was cut, but I got weird vibes from Hall's dad. Standing on the front lawn, talking about how he could have been somebody if those idiots had just played him at receiver. It reminded me a bit of the uncle from Napoleon Dynamite.
I'm not sure if those family meetings factor in to the decision making at all, but I'm guessing if so, that check went into the Seguin column.
Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky (20/game)
ReplyDeletePenner-Gagner-Brule (15/game)
Comrie-(****)-(****) (15/game)
Svensson-Fraser-Eberle (10/game)
Jones-Stortini
I think that's two veteran players (preferably large and responsible) from a nice forward lineup that can win some games. We have enough trading pieces to make that work...and cap space.
I want to start winning this year and don't see why we can't OR why we wouldn't try to teach our next generation how to win by doing so. This is still a re-build; and you're gambling that the young'ns show up ready to wow. I think the benefit of having them learn the pro game together is worth the risk. The missing piece is added today.
Having an ROTY line is of course a possibility with Renney as well, but I think that ends in an unbalanced lineup where you don't have the added benefit of that Penner-Gagner-Brule line mashing weaker competition into the ground.
Seguin is a great perimeter playmaker, the Oilers have LOTS of perimeter players. I know he's a center but you take BPA. MOST scouts agree Hall is BPA.
ReplyDeleteThey have NO ONE like Hall. I don't care if he can even speak english, his leadership will show on the ice.
HALL ALL THE WAY
@ LMHF
ReplyDeleteI'm willing to bet money on the fact Comrie isn't coming back.
Marc
ReplyDeleteBrian Rolston's name came up a few weeks ago(thanks Traktor)
The folks that want to suck for 1 more year won't like that deal but count me among the fans that actually want to be competitive this year.
Itsaleaf - I know that's a possibility, but to me it's really the best fit for both parties. I'd be sad if they don't take advantage of that; especially if the bottom 6 is as bad as I fear it might be.
ReplyDeleteIf they want to go out and grab someone better who can move up and down the lineup seamlessly like Comrie, that's fine too. I really enjoy watching him play though, that's for sure.
Hall seems like a bit of a dunce, but it seems to me that maybe he's that Glen Anderson or Ryan Smyth type of stupid that makes him do things that more rational people wouldn't.
ReplyDeleteHaha, the good kind of stupid.
Bruce: MacKinnon ripped off every mock-conversation posted here on LT in the last couple of months. Oh, and a couple of Andy's arena posts. ;)
ReplyDeleteFine by me. This was the whole point, right here:
"TV executive: "Again, some people might think that laying low during bad times of your own creation, then surfacing in your own in-house media bubble to tape some 'candour' just as you're about to make the first overall draft choice is nakedly opportunistic. Maybe the public won't notice."
I cackled in glee.
itsaleaf, you have to remember it's a lot closer than that. Also I see no evidence of Seguin being a perimeter player, it's not cool to arbitrarily fabricate something to malign a kid for no reason.
ReplyDeleteDanny, yeah, it's a big secret ;). Personally I'd lean toward Connolly or Tarasenko if I had a 2nd top 15 pick.
Looking at their roster, five of their forwards and one D have no trade clauses, two of the forwards who don't are Zajac and Parise. They only have four D under contract for next year.
ReplyDeleteI would think Clarkson would be an ideal target from the Devils, but I can't imagine they would want to move him.
Katz reminds me of Marty Feldman as Igor in Young Frankenstein, 'No. Walk this way.'
ReplyDelete6 hours, 27 minutes to Wapner
ReplyDeleteHa!
ReplyDeleteIs that Franken-STINE...or Franken-STEEN..?
That was a great way to break up the draft day..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB4S7fhrdbA
Katz reminds me of Marty Feldman as Igor in Young Frankenstein, 'No. Walk this way.'
ReplyDeleteThat is just perfect.
An offer of Penner and our 2011 1st rounder for 2OV must be made to Boston.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they'd accept, but to not at least make the offer would be negligence.
Cue the hords spouting that you can't trade your 1st rounders during a rebuild...
I would think another target in a potential trade with the Devils would be Vladimir Zharkov, seems to be a solid 2 way player. Posted about a PPG in the AHL this season before a 40 game stint in the NHL, 10 points, and a +2.
ReplyDeleteAfter watching the oiler Show:
ReplyDeleteOne is a home run! When hall was asked about getting hurt he talked about how he plays along the wall.
You can make the nice play that is safe or you can go beyond the safe barrier and make that majic play.
He gets it!
As the two said in the van we want a player who will go beyond.
People were looking at his on the edge play as a negative.
Guys with 5 Cup rings see it otherwise.
2 Mem Cup MVP, 2 Mem Cup Championships.
Some of these massive trade overpays lead me to believe that many of you have been in what little summer sun we've had for too long.
ReplyDeleteIf the price is really so high, don't make these deals.
Sounding more and more like the Oil take Hall and trade into the middle of the first round for another pick. Thought I'm still holding out hope they can pry the 2OV pick out of Boston by taking the Thomas contract off their hands and sending them a much needed winger in return. I still have my fingers crossed for a Hemsky, Souray and Cogs trade for Thomas and 2OV. A man can dream!
ReplyDeleteLike the comment about Hall being the "good kind of stupid." There's a lot to that actually. Hall looks to be the kind of player that will boldly launch himself into the breach of the battle and that's something the Oilers certainly need. Of course, with that comes the double edged durability question. The one X factor that hasn't been discussed is the benefits of Hall and MPS playing the same position and how that could result in them pushing each other to great heights. Nice to think about an Oil PP in a couple years that includes the likes of Hall, MPS, Eberle and Petry. Dawn of a new era starts today.
C'mon Tambo. Get 'er done!
"Hemsky, Souray and Cogs trade for Thomas and 2OV" Exhibit A.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't make any sense and makes our goal crease an even scarier place (not that I mind Thomas but the contracts are NUTS).
Not as bad however as exhibit B, which is the "Hemsky/Penner and Eberle for #2 and Ryder" rumor. Yeah...let's trade one of our 2 best forwards who are proven, relatively young and inexpensive, plus a possible home run prospect who's excelled at every level, for a much lesser player and a draft pick who MIGHT be better than Mr. Eberle as a pro.
Freaking insanity.
Wow, the level to which people overvalue picks here is crazy.
ReplyDeleteDoes it piss anyone off that Lowe is identifying bottom 6 forwards, “his heart and grit guys.” The draft is all about acquiring assets. You should not go into the draft thinking, “this guy is an oiler, he has heart he’d be a great 4th liner.” You are acquiring assets. This is the talk that drafts Cameron Abney so high.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone think that the way Seguin and Hall left the interview room is significant. Lowe and GMST were both like good luck (as in your career) to Seguin. With Hall, Lowe made the cup comment and they said thank you instead.
Everything points to picking Taylor Hall. So this better be a big smokescreen for a trade because I’m a big Seguin fan.
Gerta
ReplyDeleteRolston has a no trade clause. I doubt he'd waive it to move from a playoff team where a third of the games are a quick bus ride away to the worst team in league that is a 3+ hour flight away from most of its opponents.
From the Oilers side, I'm not we can afford 2 $5M+ players who scored 40 points a season, no matter how good the rest of their game is.
I wonder if the Devils want JDD? If I recall correctly he's stood on his head when he's played against them.
Book - exactly. It'd be one thing if we were notorious for trading players for picks and immediately replacing them with UFAs/KHLers/RFA raids; because that is a strategy someone could follow in this league, but there isn't consideration or possibility there at all right now.
ReplyDeletePeople are thinking we will trade for picks until the right group of 18 and 19 year olds magically shows up and learns how to win going 10-72. It doesn't work that way.
If picking Hall places a ton of pressure on Gagner, what does picking Seguin say to him?
ReplyDelete"Sorry kid, but we see you as more of a creative third liner who'll see second unit PP minutes"?
IMO, either player is going to create a bit of an awkward log jam at thier respective position, at least for the time being.
D-Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWas that enough exclamation marks? It doesn't look like enough.
If picking Hall places a ton of pressure on Gagner, what does picking Seguin say to him?
ReplyDelete"Sorry kid, but we see you as more of a creative third liner who'll see second unit PP minutes"?
Nice straw man. I'd say picking Seguin tells him he's going to be a 2nd liner. And whether Seguin or Hall is picked, Gagner is going to 2nd PP, unless Seguin spends another year in Jr.
I don't think Boston is giving up that 2nd OV. But I bet they'll give up TO's pick from next year, which looks to me like a 1st OV. Kaberle was good for TO. (2nd leading scorer, too.) Without him -even if they get something good in return- they're still in a world of trouble. They dumped a lot of depth and a good D-man in White, just to get Phaneuf.
ReplyDeleteI know Giguerre might help a bit, but that's still a baaaaad team, IMO. I guess Burke still might find a way to improve the team, but if not, I'd offer a fair bit for that pick before the season starts. It's a good bet to be a nice pick, and Boston might be willing to sell it for help now.
God Damn. Oil Change is the most embarrassing video. They don’t know how to even prepare for a bloody draft. This is sad. You make a draft board based on how you rank the players (BPA), and then you have another board based on league value. That way you don’t take a guy 3 rounds too early just because you give him a high rating. This is how NFL teams do their draft (definitely a perfected art this league) and smart NHL teams. Man, Kevin Lowe is annoying.
ReplyDeleteIf Gagner wants that spot he should take it.
ReplyDeleteHorcoff is going to be easier to get it from than either of these 2 (I want them to try Hall at C if they pick him.)
I don't see Horcoff getting bumped to the third line, as he's still this team's only proven PvP centre. Gagner is getting better, but he's not quite there yet at evens, therefore, drafting Seguin to me would come as a bit of a kick to the jewels of Gagner. Maybe just a grazing blow, but enough to cause some discomfort anyways.
ReplyDeletespOILer said...
ReplyDeleteD-Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was that enough exclamation marks? It doesn't look like enough.
D-Day!!!1!!!11!!!!1!!!1!!!!!
There, fixed it for you. I'm a bit disappointed spOILer. You complete forgot the "1" every 3-4 exclamation marks.
"I have to go to those places."
ReplyDeleteThe goofy one sure knew what to say to guys whose rings came out of the Islander and Oiler dressing rooms.
"We were all dejected and down. We walked by the Islanders dressing room. They were celebrating and their guys had ice packs on their shoulders, their jaws, their knees… We realized then what they had done to win. We said to each other, ‘Hey, now we know what it takes. You gotta put your face in front of slapshots, take a punch in the face, you gotta sacrifice- that’s what winning is"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26450758/Why-Teams-Win-9-Keys-to-Success-In-Business-Sport-and-Beyond
Overvaluing the 2nd overall pick?
ReplyDeleteWell let's see, the last 9 drafts have brought the following players at that position.
Victor Hedman
Drew Doughty
James VanReimsdyk
Jordan Staal
Bobby Ryan
Evgeni Malkin
Eric Staal
Kari Lehtonen
Jason Spezza
I don't know if you've noticed a trend here but most of these players are pretty damn good. And in a draft year, where we look to be seeing a 1A and 1B pick, I think the chances are very good that Seguin will be more Staal or Malkin than he will be VanReimsdyk (who to be fair is still a work in progress).
Thomas for Souray straight up works for Edmonton. It's looking quite possible that the Oil could end up being able to void Khabibulin's contract or at the very least he could have some difficulties with cross border travel for the forseeable future. Coming off an injury plagued season with a massive cap hit, Souray is a tough sell to a lot of teams. Thomas could be Roloson II for us and that's not a bad thing. So that leaves Hemsky and Cogliano for Seguin. I don't in a million years think the Bruins would take that deal, but if they did, we should jump on it in a heartbeat. Hemsky is increasingly injury prone and a grade school report card on him would emphasize that he "does not always play well with others." Cogliano is going nowhere fast and was basically a throw-in last year to try and get Heatly. A top line of Seguin, Hall & Eberle would put this team on the fast track to Stanley Cup contention. How that would be overpaying is beyond me?
So Dreger says the 4,5,8,and 15th picks are available. i suggested earlier in the thread to target either the Isles (5) or the Thrashers (8). Thrashers need salary and actual NHL players to field a competitive squad since they need a playoff push this year. now you can argue whether we have any real NHL players outside of our top line, but i wonder if we could pry that #8 from Atlanta and take the mystery player mentioned last night.
ReplyDeleteThere is an air of excitement about this day, that is quickly replaced with trepidation. I would agree with LT that, “A great talent--the best of his draft class--”, but I stop there. If they take Hall, one can anticipate the on going same old…
ReplyDeleteJust the way I see it…like it or not
Lee - Dave Chyzowski in 1989.
ReplyDeleteDBO - Moreau and Souray have cap hits above their real price tag.
I like the sentiment on Hall. He does kind of have shades of Ryan Smyth. No one would ever say Ryan Smyth was smooth in the interviews. If I recall: "Obviously, we take it one day at a time. Obviously, we need to answer the bell and work harder. Obviously they have a good team so we're going to, obviously, have to be good tonight". Yet Ryan Smyth was what I loved about the Oilers for almost a decade. He brought so many intangibles to the team. The first guy on the ice for practice, the last guy off. The passion, the love of the game, the game face in the locker room. For a lot of these guys, they have been playing since they were 4 years old, and lacing up the skates to go practice doesn't really get them that excited anymore. That Ryan Smyth aura is contagious, and rare. It doesn't show up on any game sheets or statistical review, but it's value is immeasurable. I see some of that in Hall. I don't know how Stu cannot pick him.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised by the questions of playing style putting him at risk of injury. I don't know if they just didn't know what to ask, but you would think the brass of a pro hockey team would know better than that. Anyone who has ever played sports knows better than that. Injuries most often happen because of freak plays, not because someone tends to go to the corners or will take a hit to make a play. In fact, players often lament that they are most at risk of getting injured when their head is not in the game, when they are not playing with passion and energy, when they go into a play with a half-hearted effort. I know some have cited Bobby Orr as an example of playing style that shortened a career (it is Orr himself who has championed this concept I believe), but I suspect that is more likely hindsight trying to find answers for a shortened career of one of the NHL's all time best. There are many players who played hard or even "reckless" who have had long and successful careers. Mark Messier anyone? Injuries are far more bad luck than playing style. I hope both of these fine young players have a long and successful career.
Finally, the clip of Hall's dad on the lawn in front of their house was by far and away the best part of the documentary. How you can you not like a guy like that. If you want to see something special including a grown man crying, tune in tonight to see Steve Hall watch his one and only child drafted first overall in the 2010 NHL draft.
An offer of Penner and our 2011 1st rounder for 2OV must be made to Boston.
ReplyDeleteOilers minus Penner is a(nother) lottery team. I know! Let's trade Penner AND the lottery pick.
man, i'd love it if we could grab 1 and 2OV.
ReplyDeletei just don't see Boston even considering moving 2OV unless the Oilers are offering 4OV or 5OV and a little somethin' extra.
so what + Penner nets us Columbus' or NYI's first round picks?
/A top line of Seguin, Hall & Eberle would put this team on the fast track to Stanley Cup contention. How that would be overpaying is beyond me?/
ReplyDeleteThat's a top-line with 0 NHL games experience, in total. None, zilch. [Coughs]
However, packaging our first next year with something to get 2OV this year, while it won't happen, does not offend in the 'you don't trade away draft picks' sense, since there's a 1st being traded out and a 1st in the return. But I can't see Boston, minus #15 already, moving #2 for anything.
Am watching Oil Change now. Am two minutes in. Some worries:
ReplyDelete1. Why is this 47 minutes long?
2. Is this a video about past glory? The scary narrator was talking about having 6 guys in the hall of fame, while they showed clips of Zdeno Ciger.
3. I will probably die in the next three minutes.
4. Katz is talking now. Nice hair.
5. The narrator, and all of a sudden the music, sounds like a trailer for a horror movie. (Appropriate?)
6. MacT now blaming the injuries for this last year.
7. Stauffer fas a face for radio.
8. 9 minutes in. Sanity is gone. 3 toes have fallen off.
9. Turned off video.
I have no idea how any of you watched this.
We talk about these deals:
ReplyDeleteNYR have expressed interest in
Cogliano 25OV
Pouliot 22OV
Brule 6OV
Sather has liked our loose assets.
What gets us #10. I sure do not know!
Why is this 47 minutes long?
ReplyDeleteCuz the other 13 minutes were needed for commercials?
That's a top-line with 0 NHL games experience, in total. None, zilch. [Coughs]
ReplyDeleteYeah, all draft picks start out that way. It's kinda the way it works.
And Bruce is right, if Penner or Hemsky is going to get dealt to move up in the draft, that's the 2011 draft. You need some players this year. And you at least freaking need those two.
ReplyDeleteI prefered Segui's bit peronally.
ReplyDeleteHe seemed more relax, and had a good sense of humor. Hall was a bit more stressed I think =P.
Seguin was well-articulated, and as for Hall ''I wanna be an Oiler'' thingy, i'd love to see his interview with Boston before calling it out.
I have no idea how any of you watched this.
ReplyDeleteFor things like seeing Devante Smith-Pelly destory a guy in the corner on a video playing in the back ground of the scouts conference room at Predator Ridge.
Lee,
ReplyDeleteYes, they start out that way.
I thought you meant putting them out that way (together) This season. If you were pencilling in a 2012 1L, it's a beauty alright, I may have misunderstood you.
@ M. Schofield
ReplyDeleteNo offense but I'm gonna trust the guys that have drafted, Eberle, MPS, Lander, Hartikannen(sp?) O'mark etc over you, who I'm willing to bet has never been inside a scouting meeting.
"MacT now blaming the injuries for this last year."
ReplyDeleteOther than nodding to Lowe in cars and planes and dropping into the draft meeting I'd swear Tambellini had lower billing than MacT in that video.
No word on the mystery player?
ReplyDeleteOn blogs and forums all over the country hockey fans are crafting unlikely scenarios that will result in their clubs "stealing the thunder" of the draft"
Would Hemmer and Cogs get you the 2 pick?
Cuz the other 13 minutes were needed for OTHER commercials.
ReplyDeleteWould Hemmer and Cogs get the 4 pick?
ReplyDeletefpb and I agree and there's a first
ReplyDeletefor all the talk of Hall 'wanting' to be an Oiler I'll tell you what I think he wants.
He wants to go #1.
That's what he wants. if it were Atlanta picking #1 he'd be waxing poetic about grits and peaches.
He wants to be the first pick which is fine. Seguin is the same. But I don't read much into the fact that one seems to be more enthusiastic about Edmonton than the other. I think he and Seguin have both said that they are happy to play in Edmonton and Hall comes out as more enthusiastic because that's his personality.
Bruins sign Recchi.
ReplyDeleteWow, they must be close to dumping Ryder or Wheeler.
The BJs want a pick in the top ten so basically they want something to drop a few slots but they still want a top ten pick.
ReplyDeleteI would not trade either Hemsky or Penner for another pick with the exception of the #2. They are both very good NHLers right now. Moving them for a roll of the dice isn't such a good move imo
Black Dog: I think the same things goes for the ''I have to go to those places''
ReplyDeleteSure, but it doesn't mean you have to get killed in the process.
Some guys said Seguin was a peripheral guy, but in the highlights reels, he was getting his nose dirty, and scored a good bunch of goals in the slot.
...Seguin was well-articulated,...
ReplyDeleteArticulated (definition)
Function: adjective
of a vehicle : having a hinge or pivot connection especially to allow negotiation of sharp turns
Sorry, I just found that slip funny.
Now back to your draft coverage.
I want to add that I'm not against Hall because he's probably not that bright because I liked Anderson and I loved 94 so I can certainly learn to love Hall as well.
ReplyDeleteIt's just that all things considered even and with our pivot depth considered I think we should take the centre.
"but I'm gonna trust the guys that have drafted, Eberle, MPS, Lander, Hartikannen(sp?) O'mark"
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Abney!
Ducey: Figuratively speaking.
ReplyDeleteI just made a direct translation from french.
I'm taking Seguin.
ReplyDeletePurely on looks.
(Is that allowed?)
Yes they need a center, but, NEWSFLASH they need LWers too.
ReplyDeleteDown the middle they have Gagner, Horcoff, Fraser All legitimate NHL players
On the LW they have Penner and MPS. Penner is the ONLY viable NHLer on that wing at this point. Moreau? please. MPS may be one someday. They have needs EVERYWHERE.
TAKE BPA. MOST agree. Hall is BPA
fpb - well-articulated also means well-spoken. You're good. (Sure as hell better than my French.)
ReplyDeleteIt's a leaf: Most agreed George W Bush was the BPA (Best president available). Still fucked up.
ReplyDeleteSame for Wickenheiser and Savard, and the list goes on.
Deaon, I hear you on Chyzowski. Same with Legwand in 98.
ReplyDeleteUltimately, I think that's why the Oilers will draft Hall 1OV. I don't think Seguin will be a bust in the least, but he has the slightest potential to be one, while Hall seems about as close to a sure thing as you'll find in this situation.
To be fair, Hemsky, Cogs & Souray for 2OV and Thomas is purely wishful thinking on my part. I think Chiarelli is way too smart to pass on Seguin. I think the more likely scenario is the B's drafting Seguin puts Savard or Bergeron in play as trade bait.
Glasgow Oil
ReplyDeleteToo much Buckfast and too early in the day!
Ducey, you crack me up...
ReplyDeletear·tic·u·lat·ed, ar·tic·u·lat·ing, ar·tic·u·lates
v.tr.
1. To pronounce distinctly and carefully; enunciate.
2. To utter (a speech sound) by making the necessary movements of the speech organs.
3. To express in coherent verbal form; give words to: couldn't articulate my fears.
4. To fit together into a coherent whole; unify: a plan to articulate nursing programs throughout the state.
5. Anatomy To unite by forming a joint or joints.
FPB, your translation was fine.
ReplyDeleteitsaleaf...
ReplyDeleteHow about we just be happy with whomever they take?
so, about what time should the oilers be strolling to the podium at? I gotta get up early in the morning to watch this thing, and I don't wanna get up too early and have to watch Pierre Macguire be creepy for an hour.
ReplyDeleteAn statement of Seguin's may be well articulated.
ReplyDeleteSeguin is articulate. Seguin articulated an argument.
Julian - guaranteed creepiness with Maguire. Every draft pick is a future Hall of Famer with their chiselled good looks and their strong muscular thighs.
ReplyDeletefpb - you're on the mark. There has not been one note in any scouting report about Seguin being in any way a perimeter player. If he were then he would clearly not be in the running for #1. Buddy is the real deal. Same as Hall. Why folks still think running one down makes a case for their guy is beyond me.
Lee - Legwand is #8 in his class in points. Chyzowski is ~#65 (The good prospects are gone by #100). Chyzowski was outscored by Louie DeBrusk and Jarrod Skalde. Chyzowski was also a 'can't-lose' prospect iirc. If Chyzowski wasn't such a high pick, I doubt he would have gotten as many games in the NHL as he did.
ReplyDeleteLegwand is not a bust - just a bad pick.
Julian - put up your phone number and you'll get a call as it starts (and @ hundreds of other inopportune times in the future too - bonus) haha.
Sorry, I had a typo in my own name - not Deaon. (I don't correct them as I think the thread suffers.)
Speaking of grammar... I wanna change "whomever" to whichever. Whomever implies being happy if they choose Austin Powers first overall or Cam Fowler. Both of which would result in:
ReplyDelete!!!HULK SMASH!!!
Thereby spilling beers.
/I'm taking Seguin.
ReplyDeletePurely on looks.
(Is that allowed?)/
Glasgow wants to package 1OV with his sister, so he can get box seats when he comes to town. And he doesn't want his nephews to resemble Scooby-Doo. Or Shaggy. That's ok.
There's a need for a C, as Dennis says. However, on another balance sheet I think we have a glut of brains, and a shortage of guys with out-sized tickers. So Hall fills something of a hole that way, for me anyhow. I'm good - nay, thrilled - with either, but I'm with the Hall camp if I have to pick.
Sorry, this thread isnt about fraser, but it just kinda bugs me how people think he is the long awaited 3rd line centre we've been waiting for..
ReplyDeleteHe is barely an established NHL player, having played against the worst w 3rd string help.. he is, for now, a fourth liner... happy to have him, but slotting this guy in with higher expectations, at this point, seems unwarranted... sorry, just felt like kicking a puppy for the sake of stifling enthusiasm,..
Oilmaniac,
ReplyDeleteWho said that? I think the consensus here is that he's a 4th liner who might see some time on our third line, because we suck at C.
He's a Brodziak replacement. And he can PK a bit and get beaten up, too.
@ spOILer
ReplyDeleteOh I will be happy regardless, but we all have a preference.
Today is a good day
I have no idea how any of you watched this.
ReplyDelete*Makes post. Turns on Mozart, plays Twin Peaks DVD. Leans back.*
I guess we can assume it'll be a throwback jersey our boy puts on today right?
ReplyDeleteI'd rather see it be the new-school road jersey myself (meaning dark as I refuse to think of the whites as away jerseys - stupid NHL).
I just think the throwback, while admittedly more flashy and full of heart, just isn't as versatile. The new one pugs a bigger hole from an organizational standpoint since it's used more, and has to be considered the better sweater over the long term.
In any case, I don't envy Tambo that choice and I'm sure he is busy evaluating as we speak.
Kris, yeah I guess there has been enough voiced opinions along the lines of '4th liner'.. this sentiment just bubbled with 'itsaleaf' implying the oil are somewhat set at centre with fraser's addition to the group..
ReplyDeleteLooking forward to seeing a vet or two signed,.. lots of young'ns going to be out there with lowebellini seeing if 'hope floats'...
//He is barely an established NHL player, having played against the worst w 3rd string help.. he is, for now, a fourth liner...//
ReplyDeleteThe way for a bad NHL team to get better quickly is to sign/tradefir young cheap no-name players on the way up.
The way for a bad NHL team to stay bad is to sign/tradefor older expensive known players on the way down.
Fraser is an extremely low risk bet. He's done the AHL time. He's extablished as a 4th line NHL player. He's cheap. Hardly any downsize, with a chance for upside potential to a 3rd line player.
Looking forward to seeing a vet or two signed,.. lots of young'ns going to be out there with lowebellini seeing if 'hope floats'...
ReplyDeleteHence why I'm hoping that Hemmers or Penner or preferably both will still be here for the first face off of the new season. Taylor/Tyler, MPS, Omark, Eberle... they're all gonna learn buckets from these guys
meaning dark as I refuse to think of the whites as away jerseys - stupid NHL
ReplyDeleteWhites were away up until 1971. Whites are away in virtually every other sport except MLB. Team colours are almost always the home jersey. In the EPL, the home team wears their main kit, the away their alt unless their main is significantly different. In the NFL, CFL, NBA, NLL, etc, etc, etc, team colours are always the home jerseys. In the NHL, it's the home team's choice, but since 2002 virtually everywhere it's been colours at home, whites on the road. Every team has white jerseys. Only one has copper and blue. Embrace it.
Notice how few leaks about players names are coming out in the Edmonton media this year compared to last.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Deep Throat was amongst those departing in the housecleaning.
Amd perhaps why the media complained so much about their sources being canned.
Good points godot,..
ReplyDeleteMy point remains, questioning, how will he contribute this year and not about potential upside..
IMO, he should not be expected to fill that 3C hole yet.. i like the pick up, btw..
As per LeBrun's Twitter
ReplyDelete"Bruins GM Peter Chiarelli just told me Oilers GM Steve Tambellini called today and made a play for the second overall pick. Answer was no
But Chiarelli credited Tambellini for being persistent his efforts to get that pick. More on this in my next blog update"
-http://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun
NBA teams always wear whites at home, colours on the road. Even the exception Lakers only wear their awful new white jerseys at home.
ReplyDeleteNHL road teams wearing whites on a white playing surface makes little sense since it makes them blend in and harder to identify, which isn't an issue for home teams since their logo is at centre ice.
Plus home whites are what I grew up with, so anything else is stupid.
And good for Tambo for taking a swing at #2.
ReplyDeleteWow. Hall's dad. You guys weren't kidding about the "is he still talking" looks. The things nerves bring out in a guy.
ReplyDelete"Plus home whites are what I grew up with, so anything else is stupid."
ReplyDeleteI stand with you Brother!..
This 'stupidness' must be amended...
Both would be great, but I'd be shocked if Mr. Dithers managed to pull it off. Would this work?
ReplyDelete- Kaberle to Bruins
- Cogs + 2nd rounder this year to Bruins
- Penner + 2nd rounder this year (Preds) to Leafs
- 2nd overall pick to Oilers
Burkie doesn't have a 1st rounder, but the optics of all of that would get him on the front page. 31 & 32 (Bruins still have that, right?) should give them opportunity to move up...
Back in reality--where the Oil can't pull off the miracle--my vote goes to Seguin @ #1.
godot: good conspiracy theory. I like it.
ReplyDeleteCommonfan and Oilmaniac - Home whites were worn by a 'little team that could'. Home darks were worn by a dynasty with 6 Hall-of-Famers.
ReplyDeleteAs Murphy Brown told Miles Silverberg, 'Those raisins didn't invent that song.'
Burke trading for Penner after signing Kessel as an RFA would be the most hypocritical move of all time.
ReplyDeleteSo, uhh..., book it.
----
Ouch Smarmy,
But you know, Twin Peaks is much better without sound.
From LeBrun's blog:
ReplyDelete"I spoke with Steve this morning and I told him what I told him before: that we're not in a position to make a significant offer to allow us to pick the player we want in the first two picks," Chiarelli told ESPN.com early Friday afternoon
Looks like they both prefer the same player but Boston won't meet the price to move up and Tambo won't bend without getting what he wants...good for him, at least he is trying.....
I think the only way we get Boston's pick is if we get one of the other high picks on offer first. If Penner or Hemsky (and I can't imagine one of those picks going for less than one of those guys) can be turned into Florida, Columbus or Atlanta's pick, Boston might be willing to willing to go down to that spot for a some parts that help them now and a still high lottery pick.
ReplyDeleteBoston at least thinks about Brule/Cogs/Smid + Nash + high lottery pick for the 2nd overall, don't they?
NFL and NBA teams have the choice of which jersey to wear at home. The road team takes the opposite.
ReplyDeleteThe tradition in the NBA is to wear white at home, and as far as I know every team follows that, although the Lakers generally wear a yellow since the whites are an alternate for them.
The NFL is funny because even though most teams wear colors at home, it is by choice so some teams don't, notably the Skins and the Cowboys.
I think BlackDog just called me FPB?
ReplyDeleteAnyhoo, TSN has reported that the 4th, 5th, 8th, 15th, and 22nd picks are all in play.
I'm pretty excited about the possibility of a trade for an extra 1st round pick, but at the same time I'm cringing thinking about the Oilers overpaying.
Deano:
ReplyDeleteHuh?
The Oiler dynasty won 4 Cups at home in whites, one on the road in blue.
http://tinyurl.com/2fz7mln
The '06 team lost a Cup on the road in whites.
Road whites suck.
And I don't think I have ever seen an NBA team wear whites on the road.
Watching a broadcast of Willie Nelson's performance at the Glastonbury Music Festival earlier this afternoon while waiting for H-Hour.
ReplyDeleteMan Willie rocks.
Ouch Smarmy,
ReplyDeleteBut you know, Twin Peaks is much better without sound.
I never got it either way.
*Takes a draught from my snifter of brandy.*
I always preferred the whites as home jerseys as well. It just felt right. Light vs Dark, Good vs. Evil. Go home team!
ReplyDeleteHamhuis not reaching an agreement with philly, apparently will be on the move again...
ReplyDeleteHamhuis wants to be the top dog on D in Vancouver, and not the third fiddle like he was in Nashville and would be in Philadelphia (behind Pronger and Timonen).
ReplyDeleteIt shouldn't surprise anyone that Edmonton/Boston both prefer the same player. The games being played by the clubs through the media is fun to watch, but the semi-fabricated Seguin hype still isn't nearly enough to get any competent person to lay off Hall without an extreme overpay.
ReplyDeleteIt's just been quite funny following this whole thing online, seeing hordes of uninformed sheep flip flopping on the issue, or simply making up reasons for Seguin being a better pick.
My opinion isn't even discounting Seguins abilities, I am familiar with the guy. It's just that the over pay required to upgrade from Seguin to Hall will be too much.
Jiggyman: LOL. Horde of uninformed sheeps, voting for Seguin.
ReplyDeleteWhere the fuck have you been?
Under a rock?
White at home makes no sense. Everyone has white. The Oilers are the Copper and Blue. The Flyers are black and orange. The Habs are bleu, blanc, et rouge, the Rangers are the Blueshirts, etc, etc. These are iconic. White jerseys aren't iconic and are generally not symbolic of the team. The team should wear their symbolic colours for their fans, like carrying a flag into battle. Nobody rallies around the white flag.
ReplyDeletejiggyman,
ReplyDeletekidding right? or just yourself?
We aren't going to know what Boston offered, probably for a long time, if ever, when Tambellini announces Seguin in two hours.
ReplyDeleteSecret handshake deal. Future considerations. Probably one of the Boston first rounds next year.
If you are picking Seguin, you don't want the side deal public. It diminishes the moment for Seguin.
Per Dreger's Twitter:
ReplyDeletePreds give Denis Grebeshkov's agent permission to talk to teams about trade. He's an rfa on July 1.
What team is going to trade for him when the word is he'll go unqualified and become a UFA on July 1st?
commonfan - I stand corrected.
ReplyDelete"Nobody rallies around the white flag."
ReplyDeleteOther than the French?
Dreger's tweet:
ReplyDelete"Preds give Denis Grebeshkov's agent permission to talk to teams about trade. He's an rfa on July 1."
That could make for some interesting hindsight.
I always liked seeing the opposing team's colours when I went to a game. Bure in black seemed like more of a superstar than Bure in white.
A team that doesn't want to bid against others, if they feel such a situation may occur?
ReplyDeletePer Pierre LeBrun's twitter:
ReplyDelete"Oilers source says they'll try to the last second to get second pick from Boston."
Go Tambellini!!!!
I hope that the Oilers don't forget that they also need to find two defensemen that can play this year; unless Johnson and Peckham are in the plans to play every night.
ReplyDeletePer Pierre LeBrun's twitter:
ReplyDelete"Oilers source says they'll try to the last second to get second pick from Boston."
Tambellini can't decide!
Oh hey,
ReplyDeleteI was just thinking that there are two pretty good prospects avaliable at 1st overall. Taylor Hall and Tyler Sequins.
Who would you guys take, if you were Kevin Lowe? It's an interesting question isn't it?
I would think if the Oilers do a side deal to lay off Hall for the Bruins, the details of that are made public within the next 24 hours if not immediately after the pick is made.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how the Oilers leveraging their position in the draft diminishes the moment for Seguin. If the Bruins want Hall more and the Oilers are able to take advantage of that, that's just smart business. Seguin would still be picked 1st overall. All that says is Edmonton preferred Seguin + a return for Hall over Seguin or Hall alone. Seems pretty reasonable. If that offended Seguin, I would think that would be fairly primadonna-ish of him.
For crying out loud, remember the days when they were just happy to get drafted and play hockey for a living?
Lee: Lindros broke that thing. We should call the mechanic.
ReplyDeleteThat's pretty funny, Ed B.
ReplyDeleteI think Tambellini will have won me over if he finds a way to get Bostons pick. Here's hoping for a giant 5 team, 12 player deal that lands us #1 and #2.
Hearing Daryl Katz had a big, big vote into Oilers' pick.
ReplyDelete- http://twitter.com/FriedmanHNIC
Lame.
Dreger on Gregor's show had ST pitching Hemsky+? for 2OV and Chiapet turning it down.
ReplyDeleteLindros broke it? I thought it was John Elway ;)
ReplyDeleteIf any GM scoops up #1 and #2 without a massive overpay that's one for the ages.
ReplyDeleteGood grief Woodguy...and he's going to continue to sweeten that "right to the last minute"...?
ReplyDeleteI'm a little worried.
Can't believe these guys are actually that stupid to be making these trade offers for that #2 pick (if it's legit). Fire the lot of them if it happens.
ReplyDeleteWG: We're in the crazyosphere. No way in hell i'd trade Hemsky, and Chiarelli is mad.
ReplyDeleteHemsky + for the #2?
ReplyDeleteST is smoking the drapes now.
So at this point, what would Tambo have to give up for the 2nd pick in order to horrify us?
ReplyDeleteIs anything short of touching MPS, Eberle and Gags worth grabbing both Taylor and Tyler?
"If any GM scoops up #1 and #2 without a massive overpay that's one for the ages"
ReplyDeleteHe's clearly discussing a massive overpay if the rumors are true.
A legit top-flight guy and a possible top flight guy prospect who's mashing for one top flight prospect is a TERRIBLE overpay.
Are we there yet?
ReplyDeleteIn the poker game known as the 2010 NHL Entry Draft, Chiarelli is not going to give Tambo the benefit of a position raise.
ReplyDeleteI know it pains us to say it, but Hemmer is not a top-flight guy.
ReplyDeleteI might never fully give up on the possibility because I'm a sap, but he's really given no appearance to this point in his career that he'll ever put up 90+ points.
If we have to include him in a package in order to get a guy with the potential to do that, I think it's a move we'd have to make.
Apparently it's not gonna happen though.
Re: the Friedman tweet
ReplyDeleteWonder if Katz sent his vote in by text?
"Seguin isn't going anywhere--Anywhere near the Oilers that is! LOL"
Black Dog is getting so cynical lately.
ReplyDeleteBut he lives in Toronto so we cut him slack.
"I know it pains us to say it, but Hemmer is not a top-flight guy."
ReplyDeleteThe stats at RW sure say he is.
But even beyond that, why in the blue hell do you throw in Eberle?!? who based on his current development could very well be within Seguin's range going forward (either above or a touch below).
Hemsky, Eberle - set for top 6 right wing.
ReplyDeleteMPS, Penner - set for top 6 left wing.
Hall, Gagner, Horcoff - set for top 6 centre.
Bet you'll never see a best roster player for #1B trade ever. And if you did it the + would be buried in multiple extra pieces on both sides of the deal.
ReplyDeleteuni - naw I was referring to something our little French buddy said
ReplyDeleteI have it on good authority that Tambo is going to what it takes to get that second pick. His latest offer was all of the Oiler picks in the draft. Including the first overall.
Boston is mulling it over.
Hemsky and Penner may not be Oilers in two years. The Oilers won't be contending for anything during those two years. You have to at least listen to offers.
ReplyDeleteThey are two best players on the team though. Not having one or both could hurt the development of the young talent in the next two years. And at the trade deadline in a year and half, each would probably bring a low first round pick, a top tier prospect and roster player from a contender, so you have to get at least that value from trading them now.
But both Hall and Seguin project to be better players than either Hemsky or Penner. And they'll be Oilers for seven years, not two. It would be short sighted to say categorically that Hemsky or Penner are off limits. If a deal comes along that makes the team better in the long run, you move them.
Eberle is going to be a player when all is said and done. If you have to give up Hemsky to get Seguin, I'm ok with it taking the long view, but you'd have to be crazy to get rid of Eberle using that same long view. A top line of Hall/Seguin/Eberle in 3-4 years would be crazy good (and wouldn't be too shabby as a sheltered kid line right now, either.) But Hemsky (or Penner) alone won't do it, and losing both or one plus either Eberle or MPS is an overpay.
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