If the Oilers retain (and then re-sign) Hemsky it gives the team all kinds of opportunities. They can run a true top line (with a strong 2-way C like Horcoff and Penner on LW) against the toughest opposition or they can give Hemsky a soft line role (ala Selanne in Anaheim) possibly with one of the new kids (MPS, Seguin/Hall). If the Oilers are going to draft Seguin, having a true skill RW on his line would ease the transition in a big way.
The big item for me is that Ales Hemsky makes the Oilers watchable. Even though next season is going to be brutal, there's not a hockey fan alive who isn't entertained by the Pardubice Prince. If Brownlee's article is true, this is a very good day to be an Oiler fan. MPS announces his arrival at the WHC's and Hemsky's exit interview indicates he's going to stay.
Not only is he entertaining, but he's a guy that simply helps his team win hockey games.
ReplyDeleteI just hope Brownlee's sources regarding Seguin are wrong. There is no question in my mind - Taylor Hall is the vastly superior option.
We got it PJO, you like Hall better.
ReplyDeleteBut like stop spitting on Seguin all the fucking time.
"There is no question in my mind - Taylor Hall is the vastly superior option."
ReplyDeleteWhy?
I don't disagree. I just don't know. And I don't think anyone else - even scouts - truly know. To be confident that he's "vastly superior" seems a bit premature.
As of today PJO you are right - but in 4 years it's not so clear - and that's the real question. I have yet to see anything that would allow me to make up my mind one way or the other - and more OHL games mean little in terms of judging NHL performance in years to come.
ReplyDeleteThe most compelling argument for Seguin is that he broke late and therefore might have more growth ahead of him. The year Myers was drafted he broke late, same for Backstrom his draft year.
ReplyDeleteBut I'd be happy with either player, don't think there's a bad choice.
Hall is a better player. The reason Seguin's even in the running (though all published rankings outside of CSS have Hall ranked ahead anyways) is based on projection.
ReplyDeleteProjection that may or may not be realized.
Hall has a history of performing at a high level, and has been doing it for years. We know what type of player he is, and there is every reason to believe he'll carry on his success (regular season, memorial cup MPV, WJC points as an 18 year old only behind Tavares) into the NHL.
Seguin is definitely a riskier option, with three indicators giving rise to concern:
1. Only 1 year of strong performance. For all we know, his shooting percentage was off the roofs and not likely to repeat itself.
2. More TOI which should not be taken lightly when comparing offensive output.
3. Inability to get it done when facing adversity. He was among the first cuts at the WJC camp, and went pointless in the head to head series against Hall. He acknowledged he has to ''stop going on the internet'' as the Taylor vs. Tyler debates was getting to his head.
I'm not saying Seguin is going to be a bust. However, I don't think the Oilers should be going against the grain here. They are in a unique position to have the 1st overall pick, something that may never come again for the next 2-3 decades. I don't believe the *potential* benefits of Seguin ending up a better player exceed the risk of selecting him.
That same type of projection was imposed on David Legwand - whose 17 year old statistics eerily resemble Seguin's.
Take Hall and hopefully his memorial cup performance leaves no doubt.
If the projection on Seguin isn't realized, eliminate the magnificent, and retain the bastard when subsequently making reference to Stu "Magnificent Bastard" MacGregor.
You are aware the difference in in points was 0 and the difference in games 6?
ReplyDeleteIt's not that big you know.
PJO: vastly superior? come on... thats just going way too far.
ReplyDeleteYou are aware the difference in in points was 0 and the difference in games 6?
ReplyDeleteIt's not that big you know.
6 games isn't insignificant. That is a 11 point gap if you pro-rate Hall's production.
Regardless, my bigger concern is TOI (as Seguin has been reported to be used exhaustively being one of the few weapons on the Plymouth team).
Hall's also a guy that genuinely wants to play in Alberta (and Canada). He has experiences and ties with Edmonton, and thrives on adversity. He indicated that he hoped his performance in the OHL playoffs will lead the Oilers to select him.
Meanwhile, Seguin's only brush with Edmonton is the Brick Invitational tournament at age 9. He's indicated he would love to play in Boston because his friend told him "it's a real cool city." Combined with other questionable quotes, ("I've got to stop going on the internet" and "My goal was to win the scoring race.") reveal potential character issues that just increase the risk, in my opinion.
PJO you are seriously pissing me off with your cutting up of Seguin. Ever think Hall is the "born winner" just cause he was lucky to end up on a superior team that was destined to be one of the best CHL teams?
ReplyDeleteWith an extra season of experience, Hall is superior today at dominating boys his own age.
ReplyDeleteSeguin has superior ES points production.
The most compelling argument for Seguin is that he broke late and therefore might have more growth ahead of him. The year Myers was drafted he broke late, same for Backstrom his draft year.
ReplyDeleteThat's a fair point regarding potential growth, but at the same token, Hall has improved his numbers on an annual basis. Is it really fair to him in that he set such a high benchmark as a 16 year old?
As for Tyler Myers, I believe in his draft year, he put up a mere 19 points in 65 games (he has 15 in 59 the year before). A slight increase from 0.25 to 0.29 PPG. I believe he was more so drafted at 12th overall based upon his size (similar to Alexander Plante) more than anything. His offensive production at the NHL level was likely unprojected and unforeseen.
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ReplyDeletePJO you are seriously pissing me off with your cutting up of Seguin. Ever think Hall is the "born winner" just cause he was lucky to end up on a superior team that was destined to be one of the best CHL teams?
Anonymouse:
I never 'cut up' Seguin - merely pointed out the risks of selecting him.
As for Hall, Windsor obtained him in the draft. One could argue Hall is a key reason for Windsor's short turnaround.
PJO: Not worried about Hall having come closer to reaching his potential already? Not worried about his propensity to take big hits?
ReplyDeleteI think, on the whole and at this point in time, I'm actually with you in favouring Hall, even though I'd really rather have the center all else equal. I also generally prefer the player with the higher hockey IQ, which from what I've read seems to be Seguin, although maybe this is overstated - I know spOILer is less than convinced that is the case.
But there are at least a couple of troubling things about Hall's game as well.
PJ Oil: Over at HF, there's a scout who posts from time to time (goes by Hiishawk).
ReplyDeleteOn April 10, 2008 he wrote about Myers:
"Draft fans will notice what scouts have seen all year- how Myers is shooting up the rankings because of his enormous upside. I feel safe on saying that he could be hovering in the top 5 for some clubs."
From Gare Joyce's Heartbreak book (this in regard to Backstrom, page 37): "Of all of the players in the top 10 category, nobody's stock has climbed more than Backstrom's. By the reckoning of scouts I talked to outside the Columbus room, Backstrom would have been selected late in the first round if the draft had been conducted back at Christmas."
To me, it's close though, I don't agree with this quote of yours:
ReplyDelete"There is no question in my mind - Taylor Hall is the vastly superior option."
You're becoming a broken record Punjabi. We get it you really like Taylor Hall. If you can't accept that there are valid reasons some people have come to a different conclusion to you when looking at the same players even though the matter has been exhaustively hashed over you're the one coming off as unreasonable.
ReplyDeleteYou're becoming as obsessive about this as Traktor is about Horcoff.
PJO: Not worried about Hall having come closer to reaching his potential already? Not worried about his propensity to take big hits?
ReplyDeleteNot overly. John Tavares point production decreased every year in junior, but it appears he'll be a franchise center. Hall simply raised the bar with his inhuman performance as a 16 year old - I don't necessarily believe he should be faulted for that.
Again, I'm not a big fan of placing too much emphasis on projection.
As for the concern re: big hits. There is no injury history with the player (someone indicated he hasn't missed a game due to injury in his OHL career). His dad was a linebacker football player, so we should anticipate him bulking up over the years.
I however do concede Hall being a "vastly superior option" was hyperbolism.
A Hemsky trade won't end well... so this is good news.
ReplyDeletePast that..
What's more likely:
Seguin can close the gap in strength between him and Hall?
Hall can close the gap in vision between him and Seguin?
Completely over simplified, but it is one of a few reasons I'd lean towards Seguin... with others being that he is a proven C, wants to be the best at all ends of the rink and I like his game to translate better to the NHL simply because I see Hall getting blown up more than too many times...
The Oilers will most likely be drafting the #1 or 2 pick next year. Same with the Bruins. Five years from now the oilers will dominate (maybe). Oilers are the modern day Nordiques.
ReplyDeleteDraft Seguin and send him back to the ohl. Hall is nhl ready, so he would be best with the Bruins. Hall can not help the Oilers next year. It's going to be a looooong rebuild.
Hemsky should be traded. Unless he can stomach missing the playoffs again and again and again and again...
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ReplyDeletePJO - how many games have you watched each of these 2 players play live to warrant such certainty?
ReplyDeleteLosing Souray next year is going to hurt the powerplay next year, but not as much as missing Hemsky hurt it this year.
ReplyDeleteRe-signing Hemsky is probably a better move for a rebuild than trading him for another top 10 pick anyway. Not only do we get a proven 1st line winger for a lenthy period instead of a player who could be a bust, or make it and never be as good as Hemsky over that period, but it also gives you a player who can handle the tougher minutes so you don't have to rush a rookie into a top line role and putting them in a position to fail.
As for Hall/Seguin, I'm actually with PJO. Sure Myers and Backstrom broke late, but so did Benoit Pouliot and Alexandre Picard. I don't think Seguin is going to be a bust by any means (in fact, I think he's Jason Spezza), but I do think Hall is the superior player. I think will Hall being in the spotlight for so long, that people are looking a little more for things not to like about him, but when you look at how the two have performed throughout the year from start to finish, Hall's come out ahead at every step. I just don't see any reason to take Seguin if you believe in BPA. If you want the center because he's a center, that's fine. I just don't see what makes him the better player now or in the future.
"They can run a true top line (with a strong 2-way C like Horcoff and Penner on LW) against the toughest opposition"
ReplyDeleteIs there a facepalm emoticon here?
How many WC teams have a worse first line?
That's an average second line on almost any good WC team. Third on others.
I don't know what you mean. Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky, when together, had a pretty good history of outscoring whoever they were up against (which often included other top lines).
ReplyDeleteIs there a facepalm emoticon here?
ReplyDeleteHow many WC teams have a worse first line?
That's an average second line on almost any good WC team. Third on others.
Nope.
Healthy and together those guys outscore playing their teams toughtest minutes. That's a first line.
PJO
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely no clue who is going to have the better career but when you say Hall is vastly superior...... Seriously?
Go look at the NHL draft over the last 15 years and bet you can find 1 or 2 players in each year that challenges the #1 pick. Good example: Stamkos is a 50 goal scorer but I would still take Doughty first
So one or both of them will have very good careers but to say Hall is going to be clearly better is hard to say. Course predictions are hard to do....particularly before the fact
With Atlanta's #10 pick apparently available, if Ryan Johansen is still available at 10, Hall plus Johansen could be an interesting direction. Big centre breaking late...
ReplyDeleteWhat does Atlanta's pick cost?
Not sure Bendelson,but I bet it involves our 31st pick.
ReplyDeleteCogliano, O'Sullivan and Nash?
ReplyDelete3 for 1?
I like the idea of Atlanta's pick this year - however improbable its acquisition may be...
Horpensky's been a legitimate first line in the past, but before we go giving them the once and future treatment we might want to see if whatever infected Horcoff last year is permanent.
ReplyDeleteAlso, just by way of getting the thread back on-topic, what do y'all figure is fair market value for Hemsky, assuming he's about the same player July 1, 2011 as he is now?
ReplyDeleteFrankly, I go with the center, all things being equal (anyone arguing that one of Seguin/Hall is the "vastly superior option" is out to lunch), but would be happy with either player.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, I want the Oilers to draft Seguin simply to piss of PJO - the reaction likely would be priceless entertainment.
The good news is that Hall is having a great playoffs and Boston's GM might think there is some separation between the two.
ReplyDeleteBefore the playoffs, Oiler fans would have been happy with Bosotn's 2nd overall and late 1st / early 2nd pick for the #1. Now, the price may have jumped.
Hall makes more sense to Boston. If he continues to dominate, maybe Boston overpays to make the deal happen.
I don't think the Oilers trade the first overall pick. Their entire off-season (serasons tickets, which based on the people I know are not being renewed as they have in the past. Seriously, some long time Oiler fans are walking away from the tickets) is going to be based on the draft (betcha there's a big party thrown by the Oilers) and Tambellini walking to the mic will be the climax.
ReplyDeleteLT - The same point that you presented yesterday about sending the 1st OV back to junior applies. If they can get their guy and more by trading the pick to the Bruins, then that's what they should do. Damn the optics.
ReplyDeleteFix the on ice product to restore credibility.
@Lowetide...but if the Oilers can get an extra pick from the Bruins to swap #1 with #2, i say do it, especially if they've it doesn't matter to them which player they get.
ReplyDeleteAnd you don't have to swap 1&2 - you just pull the Burke move for the Sedins - a conditional trade, the condition being that [supposedly] we'd leave Hall to go them 2nd. Don't need to change the picking first optics at all. I'm with LT on this, btw, this is pretty much a no-fail pick - it's the rest of the draft and off-season we should be sweating.
ReplyDeleteOh, and WTF happened to the Hawks yesterday, or How do you mail in your G5 clincher? That felt like a December tilt all the way. Better straighten it out tomorrow.
Seguin can close the gap in strength between him and Hall?
ReplyDeleteOr Seguin can produce at the same rate with the same minutes as Hall?
Jr. With Extra minutes and One star wonders on there team scare me!
See Schremp and Pouliot!
Schremp's Knights were not a one star team. Bolland, Sergei Kostytsin, Methot etc.
ReplyDeleteSchremp's production was heavily weighted to the PP.
Seguin has higher EV production than Hall.
That being said, I want the Oilers to draft Seguin simply to piss of PJO - the reaction likely would be priceless entertainment.
ReplyDeleteI am both humbled and honoured I play such an instrumental role in your life.
Deano:
ReplyDeleteKostitsyn was Gagner's running-mate, not Schremp's.
That said, he did have Corey Perry for a season, no?
Schremp had Perry two years and then a Kostitsyn the next. Bolland all years.
ReplyDeleteJr. With Extra minutes and One star wonders on there team scare me!
I agree, let's not draft Sidney Crosby... or wait, you were saying Pouliot was on a one-star team. Oh. Well, oops.
PJO:
ReplyDeleteEveryone loves a good gong show once in awhile.
dg - you are correct. In his draft year, Schremp was traded from the Ice Dogs to the Knights. Other Knights were Corey Perry, Dylan Hunter, Dennis Wideman, Bolland, Brandon Prust, Danny Syvret.
ReplyDeleteHe did play with Kostytsin a couple of years later, but from an NHL perspective, the damage had already been done.
Back to rickibear's point - anyone know how the icetime between Hall and Seguin compare? In spite of stronger teammates, I doubt that Hall is ridden less hard.
It seems to me in my admittedly limited viewings of Hall and Seguin that Hall gets several of his points by being physically dominant over the other juniors. At 6'1 no matter how much he bulks up he is not going to physically dominate very many teams top defencemen. In my opinion that is the biggest risk with drafting Hall over Seguin.
ReplyDeleteThat being said there are so many things we don't know about the two that I don't think any of us can make a thorough argument for either.
Who shoots harder or more accurately? Who makes better plays in traffic? Who backchecks harder? How many draws does hall win for his center by gobbling up a loose puck? How good at faceoffs is Seguin? There's a hundred more questions we don't know the answer to and that is why we have to just trust the scouts who have seen them both a hundred times.
There's a hundred more questions we don't know the answer to and that is why we have to just trust the scouts who have seen them both a hundred times.
ReplyDeleteYou are bang on. Those two mistakes were KP.
S(MB)M has been efficient so far.
"The Oilers will most likely be drafting the #1 or 2 pick next year."
ReplyDeleteYou're kidding me; right?
JW's Excellent article on Hall vs. Seguin Situational Scoring
ReplyDeleteSome highlights:
Hall Power Play Scoring: 57GP – 14G – 30A – 44PTS (0.772 PTSGM)
Seguin Power Play Scoring: 61GP – 13G – 30A – 43PTS (0.705 PTS/GM)
Hall Even Strength Scoring: 57GP – 19G – 35A – 54PTS (0.947 PTS/GM)
Seguin Even Strength Scoring: 61GP – 34G – 27A – 61PTS (1.00 PTS/GM)
Seguin has nearly twice as many even-strength goals as Hall. For all the talk of Hall being a better goal-scorer than Seguin, in three OHL seasons he’s never managed 48 goals in a year, and his even-strength goal scoring has dropped from 35 to 26 and finally to 19 this season. The point totals are very close overall, however. (bolding mine)
Trending down in the last 3 years for EV goals is a big question mark in my mind.
Also,
If Hemsky is willing to stay and re-sign, that's the best news this franchise has had in a long, long time.
I still say trade him if all indicators say he wants to leave, that's just good management, but 83 staying to lead this young team is great news.
If he's positive on the squad right now, don't you step up and make a long-term offer? Or do we not trust the current management group to execute that in the proper way?
ReplyDeleteWith them getting CBA stuff wrong two years in a row, I'd be more concerned if they DID try to re-sign Hemsky right away. They aren't allowed to negotiate a new deal for Hemsky until July 1st 2011.
ReplyDeleteCan t actually make an offer until a player is in his last year of his contract, so next year for 83.
ReplyDeleteInformal talks can happen anytime.
Woodguy - Exactly. Lock it down informally now so that on July 1, 2011 we have a big announcement ready to go.
ReplyDeleteI'm more concerned about a sound and logical long-term deal being something this group can actually pull off.
PJO. How much have you seen either Hall or Seguin play?
ReplyDeleteIn other news, Denmark over US.
ReplyDeleteThat's not a typo.
LMHF,
ReplyDeleteHemsky will be 29 when he starts his first season under his next contract. (Aug 83 birthday)
How much and how long do you extend him?
I am enjoying all the people that are mad about PJO liking Hall a lot. Even though he retracted the vastly superior comment.
ReplyDeleteThat said. Hall is a goal scorer and will likely succeed in any organization regardless of their development abilities. Since the Oilers, admittedly, have dropped the ball in the development realm. They're probably better served taking Hall.
Plus Hall does not get all his goals being stronger then his competition. The kid has a great shot and one timer. Hell couple years of feeding this kid one timers and Ales might actually want to stay.
Smytty down, Eberle possibly coming in in Germany.
ReplyDeleteShould this be considered a big deal as well?
speeds, I don't think it was me commenting on the IQ issue, but I seem to remember a contrarian argument there too.
ReplyDeleteI've usually been a supporter of IQ when it comes to hockey, because I believe hockey sense is partly anticipation and play-reading. Also have to be able to think of options at speed.
That said, IQ can work against you in many contexts. High IQ can generate laziness, or cynicism, or any number of things that can be detrimental to team play.
And actually I'd be just as interested in 16, 17, 18 yo breakdowns of size relative to league average to see if there is a physically dominant component to a prospect's development.
Has anyone considered that Hemsky's public comments might be framing for a future trade? That maybe Tambo said to him, "look we can get you out of here if a deal makes sense for our team, and it won't if you pull a Souray".
ReplyDeleteLooks like Eberle can't be in a game until after the Swiss rd robin game. Guess once that game is done the team can add 2 skaters and 1 goalie.
ReplyDeleteThat said. Hall is a goal scorer and will likely succeed in any organization regardless of their development abilities.
ReplyDeleteEV goals 09/10
Seguin 61gp 34g 0.557evg/g
Hall 57gp 19g 0.333evg/g
5v4 goals 9/10
Seguin 61gp 13g 0.213ppg/g
Hall 57gp 14g 0.246ppg/g
Why does everyone always refer to Hall as the "scorer". He actually has more assists and less goals than Seguin this past year.
I don't get it either WG; near as I can figure it's because Hall looks like the more prototypical North-South blazing speed and lethal shot scorer than Seguin who is decidedly less flashy, but no less effective, at least in Junior.
ReplyDeleteI'm confident that I read on HF a quote from Tambellini regarding Hemsky's exit interview. The gist of it was Ales was quite interested in the number one pick. Tambellini told him that he suspected that Hall/Seguin would likely be asking him questions about 83 to which Ales responded "really?" seemingly liking the idea.
ReplyDeleteThat would appear to me to show a more positive than negative state of mind. Needless to say I wasn't surprised to see Matheson's latest pot stirring remarks. Does anyone else recall this statement by Tambellini?
when discussing Prospects consider what is a First line Top 30 production and Top 10 for each position in the NHL.
ReplyDeleteLW:
Top 10: 28G 40A 66P +17
Top 30: 22G 27A 48P +5
C:
Top 10: 27G 49A 75P +16
Top 30: 22G 34A 57P +6
RW:
Top 10: 27G 37A 64P +13
Top 30: 20G 24A 47P +4
what the heck do you think
MPS, Eberle, Omark, and (Hall/Seguin) are going to do relative to those numbers.
Christ we already have one player whom is consistently top 10 in hemsky.
Two who have broken top ten and are consistently top 30 in horcoff and Penner.
Two who have eclipsed top 30 once and have hovered around that two other years in Gagner and O'sullivan
Two who are hovering around top 30 and generated top 10 pace the last of the year when playing with Penner in Brule and Cogliano.
EV goals 09/10
ReplyDeleteSeguin 61gp 34g 0.557evg/g
Hall 57gp 19g 0.333evg/g
5v4 goals 9/10
Seguin 61gp 13g 0.213ppg/g
Hall 57gp 14g 0.246ppg/g
Wish these could be converted to Per 60
It's nice to have some good news for a change though we should have maybe sussed this out when we heard earlier that 83 was asking about who the Oilers were going to take with the first overall pick.
ReplyDeleteIn any case he's still a bargain, he's fun to watch and he helps the club win so let's hope this gets done and that it's one less worry.
Hall has played a lot of playoff games in the last two seasons.
ReplyDeleteBecause of the number of games playeed, they should not longer be ignored in the statistical analysis of the player.
I've commented previously how they need to move Hemsky if he isn't committed but if he likes the rebuild this is great news. There are few players in the NHL I like more than Hemsky. He's a joy to watch and has the stones of a guy twice his size. It's great fun. I stopped watching this season when he went down (other than the odd game).
ReplyDeleterickibear,
ReplyDeleteMe too.
Would it be fair to guess about 15evm/g and 3.5ppm/g is baseline for a 1st line player in the OHL?
If so, then does giving Seguin 3 more minutes EV constitute a good guess?
I'd also guess that their 5v4TOI/60 is probably close (given most coaches tendency to use their "A" pp guys as much as possible) and that most of any difference is EV.
Using this shot in the dark:
Seguin having 3 more EV minutes (18 vs. 15) per game played than Hall
Seguin evg/60 1.86
Hall evg/60 1.33
Are my guesses off base?
I'm fuzzed with the fact everyone practically assumes Hemsky will be back to normal.
ReplyDeleteAnyone worried about the fact such a big injury might affect him long term?
I think this could have a large impact on weither to trade or not. The medics should know.
People with access say they have evidence Hemsky wants out after his deal his done. End of story.
ReplyDeleteThen they say they have evidence that he wants to stay. End of story.
People with access say Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
When Horcoff had the big scoring season, there were countless posters claiming how they noticed his improved shot, how he was shooting in better scoring areas, and even down to how he changed his stick to explain his SH% being 30% over his career average.
ReplyDeleteWe see this sort of thing happen all the time in various leagues, and rarely are people (especially fans of that player or his team) willing to see it as a player having a little better puck luck. Sure Seguin is much younger, and it could be an indication of development in his game, but what's to say he wasn't just getting the bounces? Without a history as a big goal scorer, I'm a little more nervous about taking him number 1 overall. Not necessarily in taking him per se, but rather passing on Hall who's proven himself year after year.
What I'm saying is, I wouldn't be so quick to look at Seguin's goal totals in one season and say he's the better scorer, especially when all the scouting reports say he's more of a playmaker.
I also don't see where Hall lacks vision. From what I've seen of him, he seems to have it in spades.
Today from Elliotte Friedman:
ReplyDelete"We'll hear a lot of Seguin/Hall debates, but it's a tough choice for Edmonton. Boston's in the "can't get it wrong" position. One scout was saying, "The Oilers already have a lot of players similar to Seguin," but added, "a lot of them might be gone by the time they're ready to win."
That's the first time I've heard a comparison between any of the Oilers and Seguin. Can anyone expand on and clarify this comment? Thanks.
Psyche: A part why drafting by need is shooting yourself in the foot. Since your needs in 4 years (Aproximative time of Dev) won't be the same at that time.
ReplyDeletePsyche:
ReplyDeleteHemsky & Gagner are the first two that come to mind... great vision, great play makers, "finesse" more than "power."
Hall being a goalscorer relates to the one timer blasts he seems to score every night in the highlights.
ReplyDeleteThat's the sort of shot that goes in at the NHL level as well.
Only goals I've seen of Seguin are a couple shoot out goals and that back hander goal they show all the time.
misfit:
ReplyDeleteI think wondering about Seguin's spike is fair, I wonder about the same thing myself.
It's something that should be investigated by the Oilers, IMO.
And I haven't read anything as to the calibre of Seguin's shot.
ReplyDeleteSmarmy,
ReplyDeleteI get it. Thanks for the clarification.
Something to think about is that the highest scoring Oiler in recent history was Ryan Smyth and his slap shot wouldn't break paper.
Not saying Seguin is a greasy ass-in-goalie-face Symth type who gets a lot of garbage goals, but a heavy slapper is only one weapon.
Joe Sakic rarely had his stick above the waist in his back swing.
You're right. But we're splitting hairs over what looks to be two really good players. I'm leaning to Hall because:
ReplyDelete1). His shot seems to be one that can score from the perimeter. Not many can do that and the ones that can are 40+ goal guys.
2). He seems to be NHL ready and will probably reach his potential without much reliance on the organizations influence/development which I think the Oilers have pretty much pooched in recent years.
Yet Seguin got more goals than Hall.
ReplyDeleteSB,
ReplyDeleteFair take.
That's the interesting thing with this debate.
Each side had valid points.
looking for a street hockey goalie for a game tonight. call 780-270-0841 if you wanna play.
ReplyDelete2). He seems to be NHL ready and will probably reach his potential without much reliance on the organizations influence/development which I think the Oilers have pretty much pooched in recent years.
ReplyDeleteHah. I can't believe that picking the one the Oilers can least screw up is a valid drafting strategy. Yet here we are.
Picking the one that needs the least development time seems like a sound reason.
ReplyDeleteAsiaoil likes to come around and talk about the merits of Jakub Voracek instead of Sam Gagner. Voracek does not come with Dave Gagner to keep the stupid that is the Oilers from getting all over him.
Its really encouraging to hear the MPS is having success at the worlds, even if it's against lesser teams like Nowray.
ReplyDeleteThe one guy I can't beleive I am still hearing about though is Patrick Thoresen. Guy seems to have become a huge success overseas. I still remember him playing in Oiler silks and being so excited to watch him play with the energy and desire he brought every shift.
To think that he's off the roster and guys like POS, Nils, and others are getting paid to play like nancies, and the Oilers dumped him for next to nothing... it really speaks to the lack of vision and character in the leadership group of the team. I'd like to think that has changed with KLowe no longer GMing.
If there is a player I would want to see back for a tryout next year, it would be Thoresen. I don't know if he'd even consider it now, but he can play with heart - something the Oilers as a team have been lacking since February of 07.
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ReplyDeleteVoracek does not come with Dave Gagner to keep the stupid that is the Oilers from getting all over him.
ReplyDeleteSomewhere, Cody Hodgson's sphincter just clenched a little.
Schitzo - haha - I still think Dave Gagner is a net positive influence on Sam's development in spite of Hodgson's back trouble.
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