This is Steve Shutt. Since we're going to be reading a lot of scouting reports over the next few months, I thought it might be an idea to post my all-time favorite.It was published in the December 1972 Hockey Digest (the second edition of the digest. The first one came out in November 1972. Cover: Orr) and flows like poetry:
Steve Shutt plays his position (LW) exceptionally well and should be an easy pupil for an NHL coach. He patrols his wing religiously and is always well positioned in the attacking zone. Defensively, he is rated well above average for a junior.
His shot is his major asset: quick, heavy and accurate. He is equally dangerous with a wrist or slap shot. Good skater and more than willing to dig in the corners.
Shot is sufficiently impressive, along with heady play, that he could become point man on an NHL powerplay as a freshman with the right club.
Last year, his 70 goals were only one shy of the OHA record (set by Richard Martin).
-George Hanson, Montreal Star.
That's a beauty. Shutt was drafted after his 19-year old season (two seasons later than Hall and Seguin) so we need to allow for those years of maturity. 424 career goals, including one season in which he scored 52 goals at even strength.
If the kid Edmonton drafts this summer turns out as well as Steve Shutt did over his career, Oiler fans should consider themselves fortunate.
It was six months before I was born, but I remember reading what the first line was for Canada at the 1981 Canada Cup
ReplyDeleteShutt-Gretzky-Lafleur
Not bad....
52 goals at ES. Crazy.
ReplyDeleteHe was a bit of an oddball too, iirc. And certainly could laugh at himself, I think it was in The Game where there was reference to his teammates giving him a hard time for living off of Lafleur's, er, sloppy seconds.
Sorry. Can't help myself.
Cosby.
Thank God I don't have to fret over which team I'm cheering for tonight.
ReplyDeleteGo Habs.
The game we should also be paying attention to tonight is in the OHL.
ReplyDeleteWindsor v. Plymouth
Hall v. Seguin
The top two scorers in the OHL and top two 2010 draft prospects going head-to-head.
The Oilers should make all their players watch hundreds of games involving those Habs teams mentioned.
ReplyDeleteI don't think any team in the history of hockey played positional defence as well as those teams.
Shutt, Robinson, Lapointe, Lemaire, Risebrough, Lambert, Cournoyer, Termblay, Savard, Gainey.
Lots to learn from that group.
Yup. Shutt was a strong player, definitely one of my favorites.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone who listened to the Lowe interview yesterday think he sounded different? More assured and relaxed, like he just got a vote of confidence from Katz?
I think Lowe may have got screwed up (a technical term) in managing under the EIG with budget constraints and continually losing good players, then moving to EIG under the cap and with more money to spend which he did foolishly, and then under Katz again spending foolishly.
Under the EIG he was probably under pressure to make the playoffs because the money was needed. I've heard that many of the EIG dreaded the cash calls. Then the EIG opened the purse strings to stave off the Katz bid. After months of uncertainty Lowe winds up under Katz, and he probably couldn't handle the day to day pressures anymore and thus Tambellini was hired to do the grunt GM'ing. All 3 of Katz, Lowe and Tambellini blew it big in the summer of 2009 going after Heatley, and then signing Khabibulin in a panic move.
The results of this season "hit them in the face" (a loose quote of Lowe from yesterday), all 3 get to relax and re-evaluate their direction and the result is "The Master Plan", which appears to be a measured rebuild and not a short sighted "reload" which they have figured out is tough to do when you have a small gun and few bullets.
This is what I gleaned from listening to Lowe yesterday and I hope I'm right.
On the Lowe presser front all I can say is:
ReplyDeleteDifferent shade of lipstick, same pig.
Khabi's contract alone is enough to send someone to the slaughter house, yet I smell no bacon.
Talking about measured approach and then also bringing all the young hopefuls in next year doesn't add up well.
I would prefer somewhat of a timeline than another we're going to be like those guys now....Sadly this shit works. What do you do when the sheep think your big shitty nightclub is not the coolest night club in town: change the name and paint the walls. Hold the line out front to make folks think it's the place to be. Ladies and Gentlemen you're 'new' 10-11 edmonton oilers!
My favorite part is people walking away impressed that there has been some admittance of fault by Lowe Co.
ReplyDeleteWhen you're this shitty, how in the hell can you not say obviously some mistakes were made? Short of the sentiment that we completely screwed up and have decided to enter a wholesale rebuild, because we screwed up sooooo badly. Color me unimpressed with the words. Throwing out the Chicago model now very likely buys these guys years and years of cop out. I can see it now.
"We still really suck"
Lowe: "Look how long chicago sucked for"
It's certainly good that Lowe and crew are scouting Hall and Seguin thoroughly, but I have a very strong feeling that all that leg work will be rendered moot after the lottery.
ReplyDeleteI've said it before and I'll say it again: with their first rounder traded, the Leafs are winning the lottery.
Hopefully Boston will leave us the right guy.
@chartleys
ReplyDeleteAs my dad would say ... if you can't fix it, paint it ....
I still think we need to draft the next Ryan Smyth. Skills or Lowe's definition of "eliteness" be damned, I think Smyth WAS a franchise player. There are things he brought to the team that you just can't replace, and rather, things you can build on.
ReplyDeleteAnd a franchise player is something you build around... right?
My guess is that Shutt could hit a golf ball a mile as well. That's a great shoulder-turn right there.
ReplyDeleteI like that both the ref and Boston player in the background have stopped skating and are just watching the kaboom.
I still think we need to draft the next Ryan Smyth.
ReplyDeleteAre you suggesting you look for a Ryan Smyth type with the first or second overall pick?
RT40 - Second line LWs are not franchise players. Franchise players also don't choke in the finals. We've had enough of them to know.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah, I know I'm still bitter. I didn't love the guy to begin with, and that series just topped up the sentiment.
Raventalon, I'm going to go with draft the next Sakic. I'm sure you can build a team around a Sakic as well. No offense to Smythy, but I'd take Sakic over him any day with the only caveat being sentimentality.
ReplyDeletePhil, didn't even notice the background details until you pointed them out, but that's just hilarious. Maybe I should backchec...*shit* he's already in his windup, might as well hang back and watch the cannon fire...that last sonic boom had my ears ringing for a week.
The biggest game of the season so far is against the Leafs on Saturday, a 4 point swing.
ReplyDeleteIf the Oilers are well managed, Moreau and Chorney will get lots of ice time and Horcoff/Gagner/Whitney will all be nursing injuries. Stortini will get an "own goal" if it's tight, and Deslauriers or Dubnyk will discombobulate.
By the way, count me in for Seguin.
ReplyDeleteForget drafting the next Ryan Smyth. Let's draft the next Jason Bonsignore!
ReplyDeleteI think he's suggesting we use a pick to find Smyth, not the top one in 2010.
ReplyDeleteThe Habs are playing some good hockey this year but if they re-sign Plekanec to a long year deal, then this is going to be a sad team in years to come...
They have the worst cap management in the league.
Okay, I'm going to say it. There is a first line version of Ryan Smyth available in this draft. One who has demonstrated he plays his best hockey in the biggest games. Scouts and scouting reports use words like "gritty", "tough", "dominant side wall player."
ReplyDeleteRedline has him #3 with a bullet. That is because his reports also say things like, "incredibly creative with the puck" and "natural goal scorer". That and he was a fall baby, meaning he is doing all that while not turning 18 until September (Worth noting he is 6'2" and 205 lbs). A boy among men playing in the WHL and taking his opponents to school nearly every night.
His name is Nino Niederreiter.
I keep bringing him up because it is easy to get tunnel vision and miss important details, like who else beyond Seguin and Hall is available in this draft. Consider that we know that the biggest problem with Lowe is that he gets too focussed in on one thing and misses the big picture (see Glencross, Curtis for example). Has he even thought about trading down to Niederreiter?
Me, I'd want to build my team on the Montreal template. That means speed. Now you'd think that would mean Hall, who has serious wheels. But what if you could trade down, take Neiderreiter and get say John Moore?
My big concern is how far into the future they think is acceptable to bottom feed into the future....2011 12 season is a huge year going forward. If our intention is to just pile on the high grade picks are we going to end up doing that at the expense of watching penner and hemsky shipped out? This will result in us trying to develop two more top 6 wingers and likely short on top 6 veteran talent in the not so distant future....I am fairly certain that there are more than a few busted bluechips caused by going through the chicago-pitsburgh-atlanta-florida-columbus-washington system. If a system is to be copied I prefer the nashville buffalo type myself. Long development times when needed, farm system running with same system as big club. As injuries occur best player for that role brought up. Only difference being is we have the money to suit up when the stars align. The suck and draft high strategy essentially revolves around a lot of luck getting up to the podium on a year where elite franchise players are available for 1 or more years and luckily following that up with additional elite or high end prospects in subsequent drafts
ReplyDeleteNiederreiter is indeed a fantastic player (just ask the Russian junior team). Time will tell, but he may very well be better than Hall/Seguin in the end. But this fanbase is so set on getting Hall/Seguin (mostly Hall), that if Tambo goes with anyone but these two, the fans will burn his furniture.
ReplyDeleteI hope the braintrust are watching the oilers tonight instead of the juniors. They've got some tough decisions to make on a few of these guys i
ReplyDeletechartleys,
ReplyDeleteOne of the reasons I prefer Niederrieter over Hall/Seguin is he won't play this coming year.
Building around youth is fine if you go with the right kids at the right time.
This coming year should be about kids who bring something useful to the table right now. That would be:
Eberle - natural goal scorer - with an obvious roster spot - Penner, Gagner, Eberle
Peckham - tough stay at home defenceman with a nasty attitude who needs to begin learning to handle the much faster NHL game
Chorney - first class skater who is clearly only going to learn at the NHL level
Dubnyk - his AHL numbers say he can be an above average NHL goaltender and lord knows we need one - yes I know he hasn't looked good so far this year at the NHL level
Nash - yes I get that everybody thinks he is staying at Cornell but I think he knows it is time to jump to the pros, he brings an insane fo% and strong penalty kill
Vande Velde - a man (not a boy) with a hard edge, above average face off skills, strong penalty killer and I'll just quote "backs defencemen off with his speed and determination to go to the net".
Why these guys now, beyond that each brings something of value to the table? Because Eberle loves pressure, Peckham and Chorney have already begun the transition to being NHLers, as has Dubnyk and Nash/Vande Velde are viewed as at best useful two way players and won't be under the microscope the way a Hall or Seguin would be. In other words build around youth but shelter the kids.
Eberle plays with NHL veterans, yeah I know Gagner is just a kid but he is also coming up on year 4 of his NHL career. Chorney and Peckham get limited minutes and roles very similar to this year. Dubnyk plays maybe twenty games. Vande Velde/Nash play together with a veteran as an energy line, possibly Pouliot or Stortini.
Next year would be about MPS, Lander, whoever we draft first this year, Petry and possibly Plante/Motin.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that we intentionally do things in order to ensure we suck.
ReplyDeleteFor example, if Tomas Plakanec wanted to sign in Edmonton for a reasonabe contract, we wouldn't just turn that down in an attempt to suck and get a high draft pick next year. What we want Lowe to do is not intentionally overpay players to come to Edmonton in the hope of a quick but future devastating rebuild. I would hope that the Oilers have realized that building the team up from this point will happen mainly through the draft. That's why you see a lot of people talking about drafting high in future years, we have very little talent and no smart ways of acquiring more talent other than drafting and developing.
As for trading away Penner and Hemsky, this would be a terrible idea as we still need to have NHL players on the ice next year and guys to play the tough minutes (this has been said too many times can we stop the "trade Penner/Hemsky talks")
That should have been the next year, ie. 2011-2012 would be about MPS, etc.
ReplyDeleteLinnaeus,
ReplyDeleteThat is a helluva lot of rookies for 1 year, I assume you don't think that they will all be Oiler's next year???
hate to break it to you boys but Lowe is scouting The Kids in the Hall and Bob Saget for next year's Christmas party. He has no idea who Hall and Seguin are plus a slight speech impediment apparently.
ReplyDeleteThey're drafting Marty Gelinas first overall. He has a Cup ring already. Who says you can't draft experience?
In grade four our class was pen pals with a grade four class in Quebec and Steve Shutt's son was my penpal.
ReplyDeleteThat's all I got.
Nino Niederreiter, I'd like to see Steve butcher that name on draft day.
ReplyDeleteHe did a decent job saying MPS tho.
Smyth is a franchise player for a cinderella loser franchise.
ReplyDeleteMike Modano is the real franchise player I remember in those playoff series, because Mike Modano's name was often the one announced after scoring the backbreaking goal.
Smyth is a first class, second rate player.
It was six months before I was born, but I remember reading what the first line was for Canada at the 1981 Canada Cup
ReplyDeleteShutt-Gretzky-Lafleur
HBomb: I went to a couple of those Canada Cup games in Edmonton, and the line was Gretzky between Lafleur and Gilbert Perreault.
The speed and puck movement were incredible, tho' there weren't really enough pucks to go around.
Perrerault broke his leg late in the round robin which really derailed the team.
Steve Shutt played in the first Canada Cup in 1976, but not in 1981. In the end we could have used him.
I'm not suggesting we draft the next Ryan Smyth with a 1st or 2nd overall, Phil. There's more than one round to the draft.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't think franchise player always necessarily means Evgeni Malkin automatically, though a Malkin type is a good start. I think a Smyth type or a Robitaille type is a starting point, kind of like the 1B or 2A to the "franchise, franchise" player.
Is there any team desperate enough for Dustin Penner to trade us a top 10 pick? I would love to have Nino Neide... in addition to Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin.
ReplyDeleteRT40: I'm not sure top-10 would get the job done. I could see him going in the top six.
ReplyDeleteMaybe once the lottery is done a team like NYI or Atlanta will be looking for real players.
This year's draft has a few more players that are worth trading for mid-first round picks.
ReplyDeleteRiley Sheanen (Notre Dame) and Ryan Johansen (Portland, OHL) to name a two..
Both guys with size and great offensive talent.
sorry bout that, Johansen and Porta=land are in the dub'
ReplyDeleteM.Scofield,
ReplyDeleteI wasn't suggesting they'd all play, only that they are the rookies that could be seen as "NHL ready" ie. not likely to be shattered by NHL minutes and unreasonable expectations. I keep trying to broaden the discussion because classic complexity theory says the more options you look at the more likely your final solution will be successful. Nobdoy is talking much about Nash or Vande Velde but they are both more NHL ready than Hall or Seguin because they have been learning defense as 2Cs and are great in the faceoff circle where we are weak.
Me, I have this idea in my mind that we might be a few lucky breaks away from surprising the crap out the NHL next year. I keep having this thought; with a pair of bizarro trades we could be on our way to contention.
The first one is Sheldon Souray to the New York Rangers for Michal Rozival and Matt Gilroy. The second is Ethan Moreau, Robert Nilsson, Patrick O'Sullivan and our first to Columbus for Jan Hedja, John Moore, and their first. No more cap hell. I've been told Howson really covets the first overall pick and he has a bunch of cap room.
Then we use the money we save to sign, and promise not to laugh, Raffi Torres. You hang on to the rest of the money.
Torres rides shotgun for Horcoff and Hemsky. Gagner centers Penner and Eberle. Comrie centers Stone and Jones. Pouliot centers Potulny and Stortini. Whitney and Gilbert go as your 1-2, Hedja-Rozival are your 3-4, Smid-Gilroy are your 5-6, Johnson and Chorney are your depth guys. Struds goes to Oklahoma to be player coach and Peckham leads that team. Khabibulin's back recovers. Contender with money. If you don't contend you've got a couple of very useful pieces to trade for prospects at the trade deadline next year (Hedja, Rozival, JDD/DD).
If everything falls into place with lottery balls, that Columbus choice can be Neiderreiter. We also still have Andrew Cogliano and Gilbert Brule who we could be using to get more draft choices (I really covet Ryan Johansen) or keep as depth players. We are also going to be quite good in Oklahoma. Though we could still really use a first rate goaltending prospect.
No to Raffi Torres. Never. For the same off-ice reasons that have always been there. We have enough to worry about.
ReplyDeleteLately, I took the habit of charting every team the habs are up against on my blog, in a very simple manner: Take the corsi and zone starts splits, and look at them according to a home-away split. So you can actually see who's getting sheltered when away.
ReplyDeleteThat Gagner kid looks pretty good.
Also, gotta love those Oilers-Habs gameday; when I can compare my scoring chances markup to Dennis's... It's like a dance-off except it's two geeks working the PVR.
I love how the Internet lets me release my inner creep :).
linnaeus' ideas are interesting for discussion but they don't really make my manhood move if you know what I mean.
ReplyDeleteLet's go sexy and actually exercise the highest draft pick in franchise history.
LMHF#1,
ReplyDeleteI too have heard the rumours. You have direct knowledge do you? That same problem didn't seem to hinder some Oilers who are in the Hall of Fame. At least not if the rumours about them were true.
Not to mention it is those rumours that will make him affordable. Plus, whaetever else he is still insane. Insane scares people. Insane buys Ales Hemsky a heartbeat of room and a few years of career. Not to mention Torres can score.
My first thought had been Jagr for that slot, I think he'll be too expensive. My second was Alexei Ponikarovsky but he'll want long term dollars and probably wouldn't come here having finally escaped Toronto. Each of the three has a downside but would move us a big step towards being a contender.
I'm not suggesting we draft the next Ryan Smyth with a 1st or 2nd overall, Phil. There's more than one round to the draft.
ReplyDeleteEasy there RT. I wasn't trying to belittle you, just giving you a chance to clarify your point.
99% of the talk around here for the past 3 months has been about getting the first overall pick, and who the Oilers should take with it. You said you'd like a Ryan Smyth type, I was just curious if you were putting that out there as part of the prevailing discussion.
Hey I hear you Smarmy Boss, but I also think you want to see the Oilers skate around the ice with the Stanley Cup before you die.
ReplyDeleteFuck I am super conflicted when it comes to tonight's game.
ReplyDeleteMy hatred of Cuntreal is well known and if the Oilers could beat them in reg and then they missed the playoffs by a point or two then it would do my old black heart a world of fucking good.
But of course I also want the Oilers to win the lottery.
I am trying to convince myself that it wouldn't be so bad if Les Scabitant finished in the 7th or 8th seed because then either the Caps or Pens would smoke them and they'd get a shitty pick this June and nothing would ever change and they'd basically be like the old Oilers in terms of never finishing far enough out of the playoffs to garner a great pick. But then I remember being a kid growing up amongst Habs fans and it is hard for me to ever cheer for Ctl over Edm.
Anyway the day's off to a great start with Gtown knocking the Orangemen out of the Big East tourney especially considering how I got them at +250 on the $line at the half when they trailed by three:)
I think I'll just cheer for the Oilers tonight and damn the fucking torpedoes and I'll throw down $20 on the Oilers on the $line at +210 just to make it a bit more interesting.
JDD or DD are likely to suck so I don't have a hope in hell that we can beat the smurfs but a little money on the line always makes it better.
I forgot to mention this about Schutt: possibly the worst colour man I have ever heard in the history of televised hockey. I'm not sure what years he worked for the CBC but something tells me he was working the Rags/Habs series back in '96.
ReplyDeletelinnaeus - Good sources, not direct myself but very good sources who'd have zero reason to make anything like that up and didn't have it second hand.
ReplyDeleteI don't want any part of that on this squad to the extent we can limit it. His inconsistent play plus that were more than enough for me to be happy he was run out.
I am trying to convince myself that it wouldn't be so bad if Les Scabitant finished in the 7th or 8th seed because then either the Caps or Pens would smoke them and they'd get a shitty pick this June and nothing would ever change and they'd basically be like the old Oilers in terms of never finishing far enough out of the playoffs to garner a great pick. But then I remember being a kid growing up amongst Habs fans and it is hard for me to ever cheer for Ctl over Edm.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the only thing you've written that I have or will fully understand and agree with:o) Jesus I hated growing up surrounded by Habs fans.
I mean you could throw caution to the winds and go with that first overall, if we are lucky enough to get it. Heck you could blow out the stops and say we are going all in on youth.
ReplyDelete1. Stone Horcoff Hemsky
2. Penner Gagner Eberle
3. Hall Cogs MPS
4. Vande Velde Nash Jones
5. Brulet Potulny
1/2 Whitney Gilbert
3/4 Smid Johnson
5/6 Chorney Peckham
7 Petry
Teams would definitely want to start backing up every time our third and fourth lines were out there and our first and second would probably out perform. Hell it is arguable that the 3rd line would be the fastest ever to play in the NHL. We'd either be Colorado (unlikely) or 30th again and have another #1. It would also look a lot like the Chicago template or the early NHL Oilers. You could move all the other pieces for even more draft choices and prospects.
I'm just saying we need to look at all the options and think of the goals, Stanley Cup, New Arena. That means either you win now or you go for tremendous potential. There is no in between ground. Mediocre with an upside of first round canon fodder doesn't cut it anymore.
All research would suggest that teams with rosters of veterans and deep farm teams, plus a small number (Eric Stall) of kids, win the Stanley Cup. Dynasties on the other hand tend to be built around large numbers of talented kids coming together and maturing over years. Neither approach is guaranteed or inherently superior. I'd just like to see the Oilers prosper now. It is a personal preference.
My ongoing concern is I believe the Oilers management is going to go for half measures, leaving us in limbo.
Hey, the day we go into Montreal or Toronto and I don't want the Oil to win is the day after you throw dirt on me. Which may not be that far off, but it isn't today and hopefully it won't be Saturday either.
ReplyDeleteBack when the Oil won just one of 21 games, The one was against Toronto. I was glad we beat them at the time, and I still am, even though a loss in that game and the suspense would be over already. But fuck it, I still got a little pride in the oil drop so you're goddamned right I want to beat Toronto and a part of me wants to beat them out for not-last-place. The presence of the lottery system and the fact there are apparently only Two players worth picking gives me considerable conflict in that respect, but by no means is it cut and dried that I want the Oil to finish last overall for the first time in franchise history.
In the best case scenario Toronto finishes DFL, wins the lottery and Burke has to hand the ace over to Chiarelli, and then we still get Seguin. I'd be super cool with all that if it wasn't for the "chance" element. Fuckin' lottery.
Whitney and Gilbert go as your 1-2, Hedja-Rozival are your 3-4, Smid-Gilroy are your 5-6, Johnson and Chorney are your depth guys. Struds goes to Oklahoma to be player coach and Peckham leads that team.
ReplyDeleteIt was a pretty decent suggestion up til here.
Peckham gets poached by the first team that he passes by. His entry-level contract is up after this season and won't be waiver exempt anymore.
Chorney remains waiver-exempt.
mps playing on the first line with daniel corso and martin sonnenberg in timras sel game this evening.
ReplyDelete1st pp too.
"Stone Horcoff Hemsky"
ReplyDeleteThis is a fantastic line. I bet Hemsky is just counting down the days until he can re-sign with the club.
Linn - Fair enough I suppose.
ReplyDeleteAs for who I'd like to fill out this lineup, if we're going to attempt to win right away (I think it's the best option, truly) then up front we need to move Penner to center, acquire a Blake Wheeler type (or the man himself) for a second offensive unit. Jagr would be OKAY as the offensive winger we need, but I'd rather aim at something different. Bourque would have been good. I've been through several iterations of lineups, but:
Hall/Seguin-Penner-Hemsky
Comrie-Wheeler-Brule
O'Sullivan-Horcoff-xxxx (large, defensively responsible RW)
Jones-Potulny-Pisani
Stortini-Eberle
Gilbert-Whitney
Volchenkov-Smid
Johnson-Jurcina
Peckham
Khabibulin
Deslauriers
Works for me. We could always add an offensive player at mid-season.
So, in other words, we need Blake Wheeler, a large veteran winger and 2 solid defencemen to me. I know someone's going to point out O'Sullivan's spot, but worst case scenario you 1) play Comrie, 2) play Pisani. I'm not really a 3-man-unit guy anyway. Match players, not lines. Hall/Seguin, Hemsky, Penner, Brule, Comrie, O'Sullivan and even Potulny can all MASH against the right opposition. It's more rookie-ish than I'd like, and because I'm holding Eberle back it likely won't occur. Oh well.
Might want to sign an older vet to back up Pisani too.
If you're going young, and all 3 big dog prospects are going to play, it's obviously a much different story.
I could care less if an Oiler was gay, does he show up to play?
ReplyDeleteI think the only place where Gay's don't exist is in Hockey. Sports are a little out of touch with the rest of the world in accepance.
Torres basically told anyone who'd listen that he's signing back home in Toronto this summer.
ReplyDeleteLMHF:
ReplyDeleteGagner to Oklahoma?
Oilman: though not as frequently as before;) but I still see you coming behind some of my points and all I can say is you're gonna have to get past it because you know I'm too old to change:)
ReplyDeleteBruce: I think I might have influenced you to drop a curse and good on you;)
I have a little conflict coming on Sat night because me and the ladyfriend are going to babysit the sister's 10 year old young fella and his Leaves loving father has his corrupted already; thanks to my own father that he left me alone and let me choose:)
So I can't tell the boy that I'm cheering for the Leaves as well so the Oilers can tank because I will have to explain that whole scnario to him so instead him and I will go back and forth and root against each other and I will feign disappointment everytime the Leaves score or who knows perhaps I'll even mean it:)
On the gay issue: I have a half-brother who's half-black and full-on gay;) so buddy that pretty much covers it in NF:) It never bothered me and him and I got along the best kind and I'm as left wing as anyone and I'm live and let live.
If I had to guess about the sexuality of the dynastic Oilers I'd say two of them were bi-sexual and one of them was my favourite player growing up and is still my favourite player of all time.
Black Gold: Gotta give to get. Gagner as part of the Wheeler move or to pick up a dman.
ReplyDeleteQuinn pre game It'll be Dubnyk tonight
ReplyDeleteand JDD against Toronto unless we win tonight.
-no Moreau
Tambo with Bob Staufer posted earlier today.
Oilman: though not as frequently as before;) but I still see you coming behind some of my points and all I can say is you're gonna have to get past it because you know I'm too old to change:)
ReplyDeleteI'm willing to bet I'm older and unable to let a sleeping dogs lie, so if I can ever point out that something you say might be wrong I will - cause I get the feeling you like to be right alot. No harm intended though - good natured disagreement is all I read the comments for and I disagree with you more than anyone else:o)
I think we still need to move some large contracts out before this team can perform at a playoff level.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if we somehow move O'Sullivan and Nilsson, we'd end up with about 4 million in cap space with this roster:
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Shawn Horcoff ($5.500m) / Dustin Penner ($4.250m) / Ales Hemsky ($4.100m)
* Taylor Hall ($3.750m) / * Sam Gagner ($3.000m) / * Gilbert Brule ($2.250m)
Ethan Moreau ($2.000m) / * Andrew Cogliano ($1.800m) / * Ryan Potulny ($1.200m)
Jordan Eberle ($1.188m) / * Marc-Antoine Pouliot ($0.975m) / Ryan Jones ($0.975m)
Zack Stortini ($0.700m)
DEFENSEMEN
Sheldon Souray ($5.400m) / Ryan Whitney ($4.000m)
Tom Gilbert ($4.000m) / Ladislav Smid ($1.300m)
* Aaron Johnson ($0.950m) / Taylor Chorney ($0.942m)
* Theo Peckham ($0.650m)
GOALTENDERS
Nikolai Khabibulin ($3.750m) / * Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers ($1.100m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $53.779m; CAP ROOM: $3.923m BONUSES: $0.502m
The 3.9 could go toward an upgrade on the blue line like Volchenkov or Michalek. If we could get either for between 3.0 to 3.75 I think we should do it. Would go a long way to solidifying the defense for harder matchups at ES and on the PK.
It's probably not a playoff team, but I doubt we finish in the bottom 5 of the league either. Whether that's a good thing or not is in the eye of the beholder.
Noticeable players missing: MPS, O'Sullivan, Nilsson.
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ReplyDeleteOilman:
ReplyDeleteI'm just gonna help you a little with the statement below;)
--I'm willing to bet I'm older and unable to let a sleeping dogs lie, so if I can ever point out that something you say might be wrong I will - cause I get the feeling you like/are right a lot.
/fixed:)
No worries, bud. I am always willing to torment Lowe-lovers; the evidence supports me:)
Jeez Louise...
ReplyDelete"1. Stone Horcoff Hemsky"
"Black Gold: Gotta give to get. Gagner as part of the Wheeler move or to pick up a dman."
(not that I have any god given right to say this, but, please..)
Stop posting before your heads explode...
No harm intended though - good natured disagreement is all I read the comments for and I disagree with you more than anyone else:o)
ReplyDeleteOilman: Key words being "good natured" which is always Dennis's salvation, even when he's dead fucking wrong about this, that and the other. Despite our somewhat different viewpoints I have all day for Dennis, which is a good thing given the length of some of his comments. Let me hasten to add before the chorus joins in, mine too.
One area where he and I are in absolute agreement is that "live and let live" attitude towards people of different stripes. Makes no difference to me unless somebody is after my ass, or my wife's. Otherwise I don't give a fuck who they fuck, at most it's just a piece of information about a person and usually it's entirely irrelevant.
Bruce is gone off the rails today throwing in swears like they're 25 cent pieces;)
ReplyDeleteBruce I don't think I've been ever been dead wrong about anything but thanks for playing:)
Regarding your finishing comments, I don't think my comments are nearly as wordy as they used to be:)
JonK: You move POS and Nilsson out but nothing thecaptain?
ReplyDeleteGeez.
Oilmaniac: Why not move Gagner if you get an excellent player back who's bigger? Everyone's got a price.
ReplyDeleteFunny Dennis, I'm not a Lowe lover at all. I just don't like how people assume what they believe about his actions to be fact and then move on. As far as I can tell, there are no posters on this site that are privy to actual insider info. There's a lot of black or white views here and I'm a many shades of grey kind of guy. Like I said in the last thread, there's enough actual evidence of poor management on Lowe's part that there's no need to make up new ones:o)
ReplyDeletedoritogrande my bad on Peckham, good spot. So Chorney goes back and Peckham is the insurance guy in the NHL.
ReplyDeletedawgbone, well then I guess we can cross Raffi off the list.
bruce, I am certain the player in question was bi. My point was that the rumour was wrong (and damaged his career), not how it was wrong. By the way, I am sure if there were other sexual orientations available the guy would have tried them on. He was up for anything which made him a ton of fun to party with.
I also seem to have taken a bit of heat for suggesting Stone, Horcoff, Hemsky as a line. I am not sure why anybody would think that would be a bad line. The goal, and the only goal, for any line, is to outplay the opposition.
I am trying to propose possible atlernatives to playing a rookie (Hall, MPS, etc.) on their left side. One of the things I thought we'd all agreed on is that hockey success comes from finding pairs (Horcoff-Hemsky, Penner-Gagner) not threes. You discover the pair then you try to fill the hand. Most available help to round out the pair of Hemsky/Horcoff we can't afford. You can move Penner back but then Gagner is left unpaired.
@Dennis:
ReplyDeleteYou still carry the hatred of the Habs, eh? I certainly know where you're coming from, growing up in that era on the east coast. The Oilers would win the Cup every year but smug fucking Hab fan would just hold up 23 fingers and say "you're still 19 behind" or some dumb shit like that. Plus, my sister and mostly my Dad were Hab fans and no matter what kind of number 99 would post, he wouldn't accept that he was the greatest, or even better than Jean Belliveau. How could I argue? I was just a punk teenager who had never seen the old Hab play?
Anyway, maybe part of it was moving away for a decade but for whatever reason I've really softened in my Hab hatred. Living around TO for awhile I've actually become rather fond of the Leafs too. I suppose I've become a Canada-phile and my true vitriol is reserved for teams I don't deem "worthy" of having a franchise or winning a Cup. I'll put it to you this way. I'd much rather see the Habs win a Cup then the Florida Panthers. This Canadian drought has gone on far too long. I've never lived out west so even the Western Canadian teams would be more palatable for me than a Coyotes win.
LMHF#1,
ReplyDeleteBeing the intuitive blowhard that I am, I didnt take the time to actually look at wheeler and simply recalled the discussions of trying to sign him as a UFA...
Good size, good speed (from what I recall), nice rookie numbers and a drop off this year... his qual comp has remained the same, but qual team down (does that simply mean that the +/- for his teammates is lower this year, reflecting the worse gf/ga ratio?!)
He has a real good corsi on, whatever that means (outshooter right?!), compared w gagner whom shines on the oil because the rest get slaughtered..
I dunno, shot it down too quick I guess cus their might be something there - but I over value oilers, gagner being one of few pushing through adversity.. your move definitely works when looked at through the optics of coke-machine-please..
Wow, posts are short today¡
ReplyDeleteLinneaus:
ReplyDeleteI get where you're coming from with the pairs, and from a philosophical perspective, it looks like the 06 playoff lines where Winchester got to ride shotgun for Horcoff/Smyth. But I'd think the better way to go is to run Penner up there and try to pair Gagner up with Hall.
LMHF: I get the give to get idea but I think Gagner's the last guy you give up. If we can be competive next year he's part of the young core, if we end up running a long term rebuild he'll be a veteran hand by the time the Oil can win something. Not to mention I think your valuation there with Wheeler for Gagner is crazy. I'd move anything but this year's first before Gagner.
Oilmaniac - I'm a "likez what I seez" kind of guy mostly. I'm glad the complimentary statistics agree with me on him. Wheeler did some amazing things in Boston last year.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to build forward lineups in one of 2 ways: at least 2 LARGE centers, OR at least 5 LARGE wingers, 2 of which must be top end. I don't see a way to do the winger version on this team, but think we can get away with the center version due to Penner's versatility. None of the lines I diagrammed should get beat most nights so long as the extra winger to play with O'Sullivan-Horcoff is solid.
MattM - I like Gagner, I really do. I just don't see him as a top 6 player on a winner when Horcoff is the other center. I therefore trade him for something I can use more effectively.
ReplyDeleteI'd love Gagner if we had a superstar and he was there to pick up scraps. I'm just not sure where we put Gagner to capitalize on what he is.
MattM,
ReplyDeleteI entertained that notion. I think you'd have to have them play with a complimentary veteran, of which we have none.
My solution was free agency.
Hall Gagner Afinogenov for example.
Gee this is great the way you guys are putting together all of these great(actually mediocre) Oiler combinations that will never happen in a million years.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen this type of stuff since getting banned for life at HF Boards.
Hunter - I don't care whether it will happen. I care that it should.
ReplyDeleteThere's a badge of honour, Hunter :}
ReplyDeletehunter1909,
ReplyDeleteSo according to you none of these lineups will ever happen, not in a million years. You know this how?
Sam Gagner is 20 years old. He has 216 NHL games under his belt, along with 127 points.
ReplyDeleteAt the same age, Blake Wheeler was coming off an 18-goal season with the University of Minnesota. He's never been a point-per-game player at any level, including USHL and NCAA.
The idea of trading the former for the latter is almost enough to make me physically ill.
Dubby is getting the start? That settles it. I want the Oilers to win.
ReplyDeleteI'm all for giving a lot of the high pedigree kids a chance at camp to make the lineup, but I would only expect at most two of the following to be able to play:
ReplyDeleteEberle, Nash, Petry, Chorney, Peckham, Hall/Seguin, Vande Velde, MPS
I really don't think MPS should be on the club. I know he's done well, but he's really young and he looks like a guy who will play an all around game -not pure offense- taht he hasn't yet perfected. Give him one more year in Sweden, or tell him you'd love to put him in the AHL for a year. (I know Hall and Seguin are even younger, but I expect them to play for PR reasons, and they may have the pure offensive chops to look okay. I know it sucks.)
I'd be okay seeing this lineup after the offseason and the draft:
Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-Gagner-Veteran Winger X
Stone-Pouliot-Brule(1.8MM)
Cogliano-Potulny-Stortini
Vet PK'er
Gilbert-X
Whitney-Smid
X-X
Peckham?
Khabi (unfortunately)
Veteran, Probably Crappy Backup
Have Nash, Eberle, Vande Velde, Petry, Chorney and hopefully MPS in the AHL, surrounded by vets like Linglet and Minard, etc. Call them up in the event of injuries or if they totally dominate.
Trade the goalie prospects or gamble them through waivers. Or keep and play one, since we're going to suck anyway. Either way, I could care less.
Trade Souray for a slightly cheaper top defenseman who has less offense. Hopefully on a decent deal.
Sign some 3rd pairing defencemen and maybe some vets for the bottom 6 if you'd like a chance at the playoffs.
Willis - I see you value Sam, and certainly fair enough. I'm just not sure how we win with him as a featured player. I'd like to keep him. How do we address the size/top 6 issue and keep him?
ReplyDeleteI think you're certainly undervaluing the impact that a responsible young 6'5" center could have on the future of this squad too.
LMHF: Size is not that important in the new NHL. You'l be able to see that with Gionta, Plekanec and Gomez tonight.
ReplyDelete"None of the lines I diagrammed should get beat most nights so long as the extra winger to play with O'Sullivan-Horcoff is solid."
ReplyDeleteUmm.. your lines were for the edmonton oilers.. and still include O'sull... logic dictates that - You're...
JW, thanks for stepping up on the gag's front when i relinquished too much ground.. hehe..
I think the Oilers do need to add some size up front, but a good organizations keeps Gagner and makes him a big part of the future.
ReplyDeleteHe thinks the game well, is making progress and imo is a guy who could end up being a complete player (impacting both ends of the ice).
He's a keeper.
The beer goggles some people in this town have about Smitty never ceases to amaze me.
ReplyDeleteIs Thomas Holmstrom even remotely close to being a franchise guy?
He's like 80% of the player Smitty is/was.
I tend to read the comments from the bottom up and the gay thing really came out of left field. Did some misunderstand what I assumed was a reference to the Torres drug rumours? Or are there a group of you who don't want gay Oilers.
ReplyDeleteIt's so damned confusing.
Oh and Dennis, because you're a TV guy - I've started watching Mad Men. Fantastic stuff.
ReplyDeleteGreat goal.
ReplyDeleteLooks like JDD gets the start in Toronto.
ReplyDeleteRobert Nilsson!
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell is going on in that building!
ReplyDeleteI just had the same thought as FPV. I'm going to go set myself on fire now.
ReplyDeleteMC - don't want Torres on the team is I believe what you're looking at.
ReplyDeleteAll - I see there's a lot of Gagner love, and for good reason (he just scored in fact), what I'm saying, is how do we integrate his skills into a winning top six AND acquire what we're missing if "win now-ish" is the attitude.
LMHF#1:
ReplyDeleteThere's evidence that Gagner is already starting to help a hockey team win. He's a positive +/- on a team with a hugely negative goal differential.
The problem is that no other centres on the team are succeeding in their roles. Gagner is the last player we should move.
Hunter: Well, we're bored. What do you want us to talk about, the current team? Too depressing.
ReplyDeleteLMHF: Fair enough. I'm pretty sure I like Gagner significantly more and Wheeler significantly less than you do. And I think if you can't have Horcoff and Gagner together you do something about Horcoff, but I can see why you'd go the other way with that for value reasons.
Linneaus: I wish Pisani was still the guy he used to be. 06 Pisani would have made an excellent babysitter for a pair like that. Still, I'd rather get the complimetnary vet than play Stone with H&H
Tyler: I deleted a bunch of the gay comments because there were names named. For the record, if we're going to bring out any stories then we bring them all out and that would be pretty bloody ugly.
ReplyDeleteI don't think anyone specifically objected to an Oiler (or former Oiler) being gay. I think we're beyond that at this point.
LMHF: Gagner is a guy I build the team around (along with Hemsky). You can add bigger wingers and Gagner wins some battles too. His positioning is becoming sublime which makes up for a lot of things (including size).
whenever I hear matthieu Darche, I think of this south park episode, Stan Marsh was on a ski-trip and a random guy challenged him to a race. In an attempt to piss Stan off, the random guy said: "Stan Marsh... more like Stan Darsh!"
ReplyDeleteTerrific period of hockey so far.Lots of skating,fun to watch.
ReplyDeleteNo score Toronto v Tampa 5 minutes left in the 1st.
mc79hockey,
ReplyDeleteI started that gay thing. Somehow people have chosen to totally miss my point. I was simply responding to a post about Torres not being a good fit here because of rumours circulating about him.
My point was,
managing by rumours = bad managment
managing from knowledge = good management
I chose a rumour that at the time had a devastating impact on a player and hurt the team to make my point. The rumour just happened to be that a particular player was gay. I had no idea it would turn out to be such a hot button issue.
So lowetide, my apologies. I also thought we were beyond it (that it was now part of folklore) and that it was a safe example to use to make my point. We were all young, stupid, and invincible once. Then we grew up. Nobody's past should be exposed in all its glory.
linnaeus: Amen to that. :-)
ReplyDeleteMeh who the hell cares if someone's gay or not.
ReplyDeleteGagner reminds me of an overaged junior out there much of the time, but it's pretty obvious he's serious NHL level hockey talent.
ReplyDeleteHe's probably the last player I'd want to leave the team.
Hugh: Me too! To the point that whenever he is mentioned if a specific friend of mine is around one of us ends up impersonating the Stan Darsh song that dude sings badly at one point of the episode.
ReplyDeleteI have a similar thing with Jeff Finger = Goldfinger
oh the other one i have that with is Matt Carle...
ReplyDeleteI always think of mr garrison talking about all the sexual positions with the kindegarten kids. One of them is "yup, you can give your partner a hot carl"
The Torres issue had more to due with re-occuring sinus issues than anything else.
ReplyDeleteAlso,
ReplyDeleteThis is the most HF like thread that I can remember here.
I'm still a relative new-comer though.
Stoopid habs, seems none of the forwards feels like backchecking tonight. Dammit.
ReplyDeleteNow, let's have some of chancing danceoff: I have the chances at 8 for the Habs, 7 Oilers; 5-6 at ES.
Dennis?
Scoreboard watching:
ReplyDeleteTBay 1 Leaves 0 about 4 minutes into the second.
I've never lived out west so even the Western Canadian teams would be more palatable for me than a Coyotes win.
ReplyDelete- Used to be the Winnipeg Jets
- Know how to keep their Smyth-type franchise player (Doan)
- Underdog team playing great hockey, despite everyone waiting, expecting and even praying for them to fail.
Nothing would please me more than to see the Coyotes win the cup and remind people it's the team and not the fans (or lack thereof) who 'deserve' to win a cup.
That's the second time tonight Gagner's line got burned by Plekanec for a breakaway. You'd think the kid would learn that he's dangerous.
ReplyDeleteWe've seen some brutal powerplays this year, but this one takes the fucking cake.
ReplyDeleteterrible PP there...
ReplyDeleteLeafs/TB tied at 1
Yeah... Moore single handedly pwnt the PP unit
ReplyDeleteToronto scores. Tie game.
ReplyDeleteI think that was the biggest hit i've seen gilbert put down...
ReplyDeleteWell that was seven kinds of crazy.
ReplyDeleteagreed,.. outrageous call..
ReplyDeleteWow, I was thinking Peckham sure looked bad on that goal...Then I see the replay and realise it was Strudwick. Yuck.
ReplyDeletePart of the problem is Chorney can't outmuscle anyone. So on any play involving space it is Strudwick or nothing.
ReplyDeleteI'm starting to think Chorney should move to forward.
hope that's just sore from the shot block or i'm gonna have to sacrifice a chicken or something.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking Chorney should move to Europe. haha j/k
ReplyDeleteTampa and Toronto tied at 2 going into the second intermission.
ReplyDeleteI liked the first period better.
4-3 Plymouth in the 2nd. Ellis with two goals - huge blasts from the point. I missed the first, but so far in the 2nd Seguin is invisible and Hall has had a couple opportunities, but didn't bury.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone ever give us an update on Patty O'? Broken, scraped, or amputate?
ReplyDeleteCheeseburgers!
ReplyDeleteCheck that...Cogs!
ReplyDeleteSorry LT, we meant the "happy" gay. Heh.
ReplyDeleteThat was a bad play by Horcoff. I'd like to know how many games Dubnyk has played since junior where he team was down two men.
ReplyDeleteIt must be hundreds.
Ribs: No worries, but I'm trying to keep this between the white lines. Must be a full moon tonight. :-)
Party Down is pretty damn good. Only seen the 1st season so far though.
ReplyDeleteI just started watching Mad Men myself, the 1st 3 episodes, and damn it's good. Don't know when they started, but AMC is just kicking butt right now with their original programming.
A good comedy for those that haven't seen it yet is The IT Crowd. Series 2, The Work Outing is just about the funniest thing I've seen in years.
What a pass!!! too bad it wasnt buried...
ReplyDeleteThere's the problem with all these little guys. Chorney, Cogs and Brule and none of them can stop the train.
ReplyDeleteWay to be in the way Strudwick. Sheesh.
ReplyDeleteToronto leading TBay, this could be another all-important 4 point night.
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ReplyDeleteWTF Scorecoff?
ReplyDelete#10. Nice.
ReplyDeleteUn.. real...
ReplyDeletehehe...
Principe mentioned during the opening that POS injured his ring finger-didn't say if it was broken/sprained/gangrenous.
ReplyDelete3-3 tie Leafs/TB.
Must be a full moon tonight. :-)
ReplyDeleteWell, that was somewhat prophetic.
God, what a weird weird game.
ReplyDeleteChorney on pace for -15 in 27 games?
ReplyDeleteGuess his performance on a bad Falcons team was indicative. Makes sense, since he's coming to an equally bad Oilers team...
What a game to miss for night class. Boo.
Oh, the BIG man.. busting through...
ReplyDeleteno penalty shot? or penalty called on the battle in the crease?..
Looks like Pouliot's riding the pine, and I'm not sure why. He was good to my eye in the first period.
ReplyDeletePouliot must be the French Scott Oake.
ReplyDeleteThat replay didn't make Horc look any better on that one.
ReplyDeleteSomeone go back in time to 06-07 and find Horc's hands.
Whitney out for the rest of the game.
ReplyDeleteSlipping on the Oilers silks is like Typhoid Mary making you a burrito for dinner.
Gerta with the line of the evening.
ReplyDeleteTaylor Hall scores to tie the game at 4. Nice backhand on a rebound.
ReplyDeleteHorcoff backchecking like a guilty man there.
ReplyDeletetwo stupid plays by brule, should have been a penalty..
ReplyDeleteI was going to make ajoke about the Oilers coaching staff tapping Brule on the shoulder to go out and take a penalty...I think they really did tap Penner there.
ReplyDelete"Whitney out for the rest of the game."
ReplyDeleteAnyone else see him hobbling.. 5 bucks its a prob w da feets (blocking a shot?)...
Fuck you Montreal. You can't make a scoring chance out of a powerplay and 10 seconds left to go?
ReplyDeleteStupid Bettman point.
I know it was a penalty, but for decades I've been watching the Habs get timely calls. It must be in the rulebook.
ReplyDeleteOilers have always had the worst line changes in the league. Guys coasting in and the fresh guy jumping on oblivious to what's happening on the ice.
ReplyDeleteMac T always seemed to be frustrated by it.
They must be at the top of the league in too many men penalties.
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ReplyDeleteHorcoff looks good tonight. We need him to play like this next year. He seems to be playing better since the break
ReplyDeleteLeafs with the Bettman point.
ReplyDeleteAnother Oiler penalty. Holy hell the Habs get the breaks.
ReplyDeleteLT
ReplyDeleteIt seems that way. It seems like Toronto and Montreal have the best Schedule's every year as well. It's really quite a joke.
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ReplyDeletethey showed a camera view of Tambo and MacT sitting beside each other scouting the Windsor game tonight. Thought that was interesting. 5-4 Windsor.
ReplyDeleteI seem to remember Souray getting assessed a 5-minute major, the opposition got a penalty shot, and possibly a suspension for a slash such as that last year.
ReplyDeleteAnd Horcoff? Well, better find some ice boyo.
@Lowtide ... given the breaks for the Habs, you would almost think it was the Saturday night special for Habs to queue a comeback. 6-4 Windsor.
ReplyDeleteLeafs win. Ellis, from Keon.
ReplyDeleteLeafs win in OT.
ReplyDeleteHuzzah!!
I dont get these refs.. I thought if a guy is on a clear cut breakaway and the closest D does something to the guy to get a penalty, then its a penalty shot?!.. twice this game imo...
ReplyDeleteDamn..Snowing now.
ReplyDeleteStrong, muscular thighs.
ReplyDeleteKessel.
magic number is 13, 12 1/2 or something goofy if the Oilers lose the so
ReplyDeletestupid Bettman points
DD had that sniffed out from center
ReplyDeleteBrule has a quick release.
ReplyDelete6-4 final for Windsor. Hall 1 goal, 2 assists (both 2nd assists). Seguin - goose egg.
ReplyDeleteDubnyk is fricking huge. I can see why they aren't looking to shoot on him.
ReplyDeleteFuck. get Nilsson some viagra.
ReplyDeletenils??????.... what.. happened?..
ReplyDelete(not that the oil need the points)
Good game for Dubnyk. Good result, as the Leafs extend their lead.
ReplyDelete'Brule has a quick release' - aw it happens to everyone, no need to be embarassed
ReplyDeleteAnd the magic number is an even dozen gentlemen. A loss Saturday and they're pretty well home and cooled.
Gags 0 for 7 this year in the skills comp.
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ReplyDeleteThis means what, a 7 point lead for the Leafs?
ReplyDeleteIf we can lose on Saturday that would be fantastic.
Everyone who needed to win tonight has so far. Poor Dubn still no win.
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ReplyDeleteI believe the penalty shot is called when the scoring chance is hindered or taken away.
ReplyDeleteI guess Horc still got a good shot off so no penalty? Not sure why a slash across the forearm isn't a hindereance though.
And the magic number is an even dozen gentlemen. A loss Saturday and they're pretty well home and cooled.
ReplyDeleteYup,and TO plays on the island Sunday-we could have 30th place locked up before the weekend is over.
Oilers need to realise that once Taylor Hall steps in they can start winning as much as they like.
ReplyDeleteDG: They reviewed it but no suspension in the end.
ReplyDeleteRapid fire:
ReplyDelete- Hall outshines Seguin HTH with Lowe and Co in tow so I would say that settles who we take:D
- Ty's site's gone a bit screwy so I can't post the SC"s just yet but the Oilers won the battle at EV 20-17. That's pretty good except when you consider that the Habs make their paper on the PP so a lot of teams are probably outchancing them at evens.
- without looking at the box score it seemed like 77 had a whale of a game.
- it's too bad 6 didn't have another leg because I'm sure he'd injure that as well.
- 78 had three SC's in the first 40 min and then we don't see much of him; it took too long before 12 had his SO chance and 89 is officially SO garbage.
- There is only one season of Party Down and I believe S2 debuts in late April. Big Love finished last Sunday and FNL's been over for awhile so right now I'm living on Damages - lukewarm - and waiting for Justified to start on FX next Tuesday. I think Breaking Bad starts soon too and that, IMO, is the best show on TV right now.
I'd read all about it and was saving it for a rainy day even though my buddy has SI on DVD. I was at my sister's one night and she had AMC On Demand and I jumped in and watched like ep 7 or 8 of S2 and was instantly hooked. I went the next day and got the DVD set off my buddy and then found all the S2 eps online to catch up and would go to my sister's on Tues night to catch the new eps; BEV didn't have AMC at the time.
Dennis:
ReplyDeleteExactly what language are you writing in?
Thanks SK OF,
ReplyDeleteTook down the post tho, cus I decided to quit being so damn lazy and just looked up the rule.. both breakaway penalties I was complaining about definitely fall under 'didnt take away the scoring chance'.. which makes me think, was it really a penalty?..
Dennis:
ReplyDeleteI think I've gone seriously grouchy as the season wore on, I have the Oils in a landslide at EV: 22-12, 26-18 overall.
My results are here. The charts at the end are also nice; "TVF" means "Tirs vers le filet", good ole corsi, and MJZD-O Id for faceoffs. Gilbert and Whitney had a corsi of -8 and -6 against Gomez tonight while seeing him for only one defensive zone faceoff. Aaron Johnson went +7 against Gomer and his fellas; not bad.
Oilers might have won in OT, and Leafs might have lost in regulation time.
ReplyDeleteTonight folks, Taylor Hall's Oilers future was possibly hanging by a thread...
Even though I have the math skills of a hamster, I feel strangely comforted by those posts.
ReplyDeleteI like this Aaron Johnson fellow
ReplyDeleteSmarmy Boss: So do I. He and Peckham are my favourite pair just now ... lots of spirit. AJ played a whale of a game tonight, 26:31, +1. Peckham with 7 hits.
ReplyDeleteBtw, the story on POS in the paper was that he lost the nail on his index finger due to a slash. That's gonna sting a little.