The Edmonton Oilers have all kinds of things to do in the next few months. I imagine one of them will be to evaluate their soon-to-be free agents and offload those who aren't in the long range plans.
UFA
- Ales Hemsky: I think he's gone. My sincere wish is that they sign him to a 2-year deal at reasonable dollars and then make a decision the summer RNH goes super nova (should that happen) at the bank.
- Ryan Smyth: One assumes after trading himself Smyth will also negotiate with himself. I can't imagine the eruption that would take place if the Oilers botch a Smyth re-signing, and trading 94 would be a violation of the management-fan Geneva conventions.
- Lennart Petrell: Love the Finns but he's gotta go. Petrell has been owned 5x5 according to our friend Corsi and the organization should have enough penalty-killers by next fall. I doubt he has any actual trade value at this time.
- Darcy Hordichuk: I'm fine with bringing him back. I don't think the Oilers need this player type, especially when they have an effective powerplay--and that looks possible if RNH is for real with the man advantage. However, coach Renney ran two of them in NYC and has two in Edmonton, so it's better to have a 4 minute a night guy than someone like Jacques who the coach likes enough to play a lot. Hordichuk has no deadline value.
- Andy Sutton: I'm undecided about him. Sutton does some good things but his injuries and suspensions have made him less reliable. On a team that already has issues with player availability among veterans, I'd pass on the opportunity. Sutton is exactly the kind of player teams trade for at the deadline, his value would probably be a mid-round pick.
- Corey Potter: I like him despite the falloff in performance. I can certainly see him among the top 6 next season even with an upgrade for the Whitney pairing. Potter should have decent value at the deadline should the Oilers choose to deal him.
RFA
- Sam Gagner: I know he's a divisive player among Oiler fans, but my vote is to sign him to a contract that suggests he's part of the future in Edmonton. I think the decision to trade him is unlikely to occur at this year's deadline.
- Cam Barker: I don't think he's shown enough to warrant another contract. He can't have any trade value, I think that's clear.
- Theo Peckham: He's a tough call, but they've invested this much time and Peckham has improved as a PK defender. If they decide to hurry up the process on the blue, perhaps he's a guy they offload but otherwise signing him is the play. I do think Peckham has some trade value.
- Jeff Petry: Developing player who has a nice range of skills. Oilers need him to climb this depth chart as soon as possible. Trading him would be insane, this is what they need to add.
- Devan Dubnyk: I think they should sign him with the idea that he's the starter of the future. Trade value would be fluid, extremely unlikely to be dealt.
- Linus Omark: Sign him and plan for him to be a regular in 12-13. This is a player I can see being traded at the deadline or over the summer.
Gilbert Brule, Alex Plante, Chris VandeVelde, Taylor Chorney, Ryan O'Marra, Hunter Tremblay and Milan Kytnar are also RFA. Among the players listed here, I'd say Hemsky and Sutton are the best bets to go as we approach the deadline.

Hemsky realy is the biggest question mark among the Oilers future moving forwards. Injuries and seasons mised (almost two seasons worth of games in the last 6 seasons...) have really hampered him. Does he get his game back? How much comes back? Will he stay healthy?
ReplyDeleteThese are the big risks of Hemsky right now, and there are no real answers right now. RIght now, the ansers are all "answer hazy - ask again later".
If the Oilers are going to complete, they need good players who are healthy and play consistently. Hemsky doesn't do that right now.
Signing hemsky is a gamble. Trading him guarantees some kind of asset return for the man who was worth the price of admission. I feel sad to say I think it's the smart move - While a part of me hopes they take the risk and sign him, I expect the team will be better off without him.
If they can trade Hemsky (or Gagner) for a real NHL defenceman, or one who will be ready next year (thinking Voynov in LA) then they should do it. This team has forward depth and can always draft another one this summer if they need to. This team CANNOT wait for Marincin, Musil, and Klefbom to be ready.
ReplyDeleteKinda hoping they re-sign Kytnar and cut O'Marra loose.
I guess the big issue is whether the org feels next year is a true contend year. LT you always say that to compete for the cup you need to have young players outperforming their entry level deals, older players playing for new contracts and vets playing for cheaper to be part of a cup run. So what do we have next year:
ReplyDeleteYoung outperformers:
- Hall, Eberle, MPS (maybe), Nuge, Lander.
That is a huge amount of talent on entry level deals, and if we want a chance to win next year becomes a true shot.
Guys playing for new deals:
- Whitney, Smid, Jones, Bulin (always huge in a contract year). And whoever they sign to one year deals (maybe Gagner, Dubnyk)
Guys fully recovered from injury (added category that applies to us)
- Whitney and Hemsky. This may be the biggest one, if the two of them can get through the year without new injury, then next fall will be huge, especially with new deals looming).
Vets playing out last deals at a discount
- Smyth (hopefully), Belanger sort of,
That's a lot of the needed situations in a cap world to make a true run. Add a top level dman, add some grit up front that can play top 9 (I suggested yesterday Ruutu from Carolina) and a vet or two on discount deals and we may have a shot.
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Hall-Nuge-Eberle
ReplyDeleteSmyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
MPS-Lander/Gagner-Ruutu
Eager-Belanger-Jones
Hartikainen-Omark
Whitney - Gorges
Smid - Gilbert
Potter - Allen
Petry
(Hat tip to Rickibear yesterday charting top available UFA dmen in yesterdays game thread)
Is that a contender? Or do you move some young pieces to try and make a run at a player like Weber and a top end goalie (rumour now saying Miller from Buffalo may be available)
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Okay, Gabril, your first post was kind of on-point, but what do kitchens have to do with the Oilers?
ReplyDeleteLOL that was funny @ Steve Smith
ReplyDeleteOkay, Gabril, your first post was kind of on-point, but what do kitchens have to do with the Oilers?
ReplyDeleteAccording to Stauffer the other team is always in the the Oilers' "kitchen"
Perhaps they need a kitchen that isn't quite as inviting?
Steve Smith - it's all a deep and complex metaphor.
ReplyDeleteI was going to erase Gregoir, but "steve Smith" saved him. I call any house in San Diego proper under $100,000.
ReplyDeleteThis column is indicative of the problem the team has had procuring talent. This is still a lottery team. It will be proven beyond all doubt over the next dozen games or so. If this team had good management instead of an invisible owner and Dumb and Dumber as co-GM's they would be fine tuning 3 or 4 positions on this team. Instead, at least half the team wouldn't be missed one iota if they were gone. And yet Dumber says he believes he has "the pieces in place" to be in the playoffs. Fucking bizarre.
ReplyDeleteThe Chief is a very wise and deep man. After hours of deep thinking, I believe that I am starting to 'get' what he is saying.
ReplyDelete"Pre-foreclosure homes for sale" = Ales Hemsky
"Foreclosure sale auction" = Linus Omark
"House repossessed by banks after the REO sale of the house or property owners" = Sutton
and I think that "warehouse conversion" somehow refers to the draft.
These type of decisions should have been discussed by management months ago and in the summer leading into the 2011-2012 season. Good organizations have a clear picture or vision what they would like their team to look like and who should lead it to a championship. If for some odd ball reason these discussions are being held now is a huge management error, and of course "Mr.Dithers" is at the helm so perhaps its the same old "reactive" approach versus "proactive" approach. Truly unfortunate.
ReplyDeleteAs blog readers and writers and comment makers we all knew years ago what this team needed and who we all thought should stay and who should go.
Hemsky - sorry I do like the player but his time in Edmonton should have been discussed in the summer and a decision made by management, trade him at the deadline to fill team needs.
Gagner and Omark - two smaller players on a small Top 9 team, decide who is a better fit for the long term plans as a player and as a culture influence in the dressing room whichever doesn't fit, gonzo.
Its time to take a risk for this organization, make a proactive decision, finishing 30th two years in a row and looking like a 24-30th finish again is unacceptable in this league and in this town. Come May, if this occurs heads may roll in this organization from top to bottom.
I am all for the concept of trading Hemsky, but I think his value is at an all time low right now.
ReplyDeleteHe needs to get some primo ice time and PP time to get his profile up a bit before February.
I would prefer to see him on a 1 or 2 year deal at the same $$.
My question is "What are you going to get for him?" The answer is probably picks and prospects. We have lots of those. We can't keep pushing the bubble back. I think the target should be a defenseman in or right below his prime years. Who is going to give that up though?
I still come back to the fact that the two wizards need room to operate and that Hall is not the crash banger that they need. All it does is concentrate the checking by other teams onto one line. The obvious in house solution is Harsky. The out of the box solution to a second line of Hall and Hemsky is MP at center which I assume has been considered. Otherwise put together a package of some of Hemsky, MP, Gagner, Jones to get a quality big center. Playing Hall and Hemsky with Horcoff is wasting everyone's time.
ReplyDeleteLOL @ Bookje!!
ReplyDeleteHemsky let us down. These are the times we need Hemsky (not "a guy like Hemsky" but HEMSKY himself) to be the first star for a few games.
Will he do that? We are wondering if he's even capable of doing that. And with so much doubt, there should be no doubt...
ReplyDeleteIts time to take a risk for this organization, make a proactive decision, finishing 30th two years in a row and looking like a 24-30th finish again is unacceptable in this league and in this town. Come May, if this occurs heads may roll in this organization from top to bottom.
Yeah, lets trade of some young players and picks so we can finish 18th! Maybe we can finish just in the playoffs. Then for the next 5 years you can bitch about how Mr Non Dithers wasn't patient enough to put together a championship team and how the picks and prospects shouldn't have been traded.
I mean really. Shuffling the deck chairs doesn't work unless you have a good core than just needs some tweaking. Wouldn't adding this drafts Nuge, Laneskog, Couturier, or Larsen do more to make this a championship team than any trade "Dithers" could make?
Havng said all that, I'd like to see Hemsky and his injured ego shipped out along with Sutton, Eager and Bulin at the deadline.
Maybe NSH will part with Jon Blum, they just reassigned him to the AHL.
Maybe NSH knows more about John Blum than we do.
ReplyDeletePat Quinn got it right: we need more crust
ReplyDeleteTraktor - We need more energy and crust - 3 Energy/Crust lines and one scoring line - unbeatable!`
ReplyDeleteYoung fast small team that has been the theme for years.
ReplyDeleteThey need a power forward with skill. They need a big second line center. And we all know about the D.
I got laughed off this board 2yrs ago when I said trade Gagner for Hanzal.
When will Edmonton realize they are too small. They are stuck in potential never really moving forward.
bookie:
ReplyDeleteCrust can score too.
Jones - 11 goals
Horcoff - 7 goals
Gagner - 3 goals
Belanger - 1 goal
Jones as has many goals has Horc, Gagner and Belanger combined and has 3x the crust and making 1.5M compared to 9.5M
#rocketscience
Oilers start game.
ReplyDeleteOilers go behind 1-0
Hemsky turns the puck over and over
Dubnyk lets in another softie
Seemingly rational Oiler fans diagnosed with total insanity, while irrational fans given sandwiches and beer
Throughout this debacle, commentators rushing to set themselves up as the next Terry Jones
Oilers tease, then out of playoffs by Christmas - with another "Death March to the Draft" commencing as soon as the turkey's been stuffed.
Jones is entertaining - sorry math guys, and I know this isn't cool for me to say but that's the way some people like to see hockey.
ReplyDeleteThis is the first time I've said this in a long time, but... I don't disagree with Traktor.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Is Ryan Jones a younger, better version of Ethan Rifles, without the stupid O-zone penalties?
Thoughts:
Ryan Whitney's going to take quite a while to recover to where he was pre-injury last year. But even once he's recovered, is he worth keeping? Injuries are funny things, and I'm not convinced that he will end up being healthy enough to warrant his money. If Hemsky's value isn't high enough to get another D-man, could Whitney + Young Forward get a healthy, reliable, young defenseman?
Or is that a move that can only be made once he's playing better?
Courtesy of behindthenet:
ReplyDeleteGoals per 60
Jones - 1.24
Eager - 0.72
Petrell - 0.53
Horcoff - 0.39
Gagner - 0.37
Belanger - 0.17
The Oilers have five top line forwards excluding Smyth and Horcoff. The latter are not part of the future, they're stabilizers for now. The Boys had four to drive the bus. My preference would be a 1A center for Hall and MP, whatever the cost. That's paramount, otherwise it's dither for years to come. Maybe it's Galchenyuk in the draft. It's a jigsaw puzzle with pieces that don't quite fit.
ReplyDeleteWhy would you trade for defencemen when you can buy them in the offseason without giving up assets?
ReplyDeleteDucey - Yeah, lets trade of some young players and picks so we can finish 18th! Maybe we can finish just in the playoffs. Then for the next 5 years you can bitch about how Mr Non Dithers wasn't patient enough to put together a championship team and how the picks and prospects shouldn't have been traded.
ReplyDeleteNo one suggested trading the young guns as that would be stupid! C'mon Man!!
I was stating that as an organization the Oilers are reactive as apposed to proactive. The Hemsky thing needs addressing and should have been addressed before "his ego" or body language became a issue. Correct in saying his trade value is at a low point. however, as we all have seen in the past during a playoff push teams tend to make over payments to get more "bullets for the chamber" during a grueling post season stretch.
A risk for me would be trying to trade Omark and/or Gagner. Not sure what either player will turn out to became in the future. However, I think it is worth the risk to field offers for these two smaller top 9 players for more helping filling the gaps in other parts of the line up.
Maybe NSH knows more about John Blum than we do.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt. He has had easy minutes and his Rel Corsi has not been that good. He is also -11 this year on the old fashion +/- scale.
But the guys we would be trading (Hemsky, Sutton, maybe Gagner, Omark etc) may be fools gold too.
Blum has been a top prospect for a long time and is struggling somewhat in his early days of being an NHL'er. Thats pretty common for young defencemen.
He is likely worth a gamble.
Buy them in the off season? When have they ever done this? Players and Agents really don't want to have anything to do with this bunch except when nobody else calls. Ref: Sutton, Barker, Hordichuk, Belanger, Eager et al. And that's just this year... not to mention the fucking stiffs they've brought here in the past. You see, you're assuming management knows what they're doing. It's like asking the builder that let his own house fall down yet you expect him to build a "Katzian" mansion. It doesn't work.
ReplyDeleteI like Jones - he has grown tremendously as a player and his attitude is a plus.
ReplyDeleteI'm still not sold on Jones - his underlying numbers are a lot better this year, but I'd still want to see some WOWY to gauge to what extent he's been carried. By eye, he's still no Heyday Rifles when it comes to defensive play at ES, but I'll always subordinate my eye to a full statistical picture.
ReplyDeleteIt's possible that he's legitimately a lot better now than he was then. But I'm not convinced yet.
KLowe mumblin, bumblin, stumblin with Staufer right now! I'm sure confident with him at the helm. Yup, sure am!!
ReplyDeleteClarkenstein: You make many good points, but like the wisest Oiler fan in human history said after the 2006 run, that selfsame 2006 run would cripple the team for a long long time.
ReplyDeleteLowe is merely reaping the rewards of having a great run of luck at the poker table.
Can Tambellini/Lowe bring the cup to Edmonton? Sure, why not, provided they can get the right players drafted, then develop them properly. Right now our three best players are the Kid Line(sorry Hemsky lovers, but as of today your fanboy love touches on fanaticism) who are 1-3 years away of their offensive prime.
This season was generally accepted to be a write off before it started. The incredible look of the team the first 20 games offers us real hope for the future...sadly we live in the present.
Also, who wouldn't expect Katz(ruthlessness personified) to personally sack the entire front office eventually when he finally understands the situation, were it to arise?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Mark Messier and Paul Coffey could be induced to work for the team, now that the pipeline to glory(lottery picks LMAO) has been established by Tambo.
Hunter, just to clarify - it wasn't the run itself that crippled the team, it was the mistaken belief on behalf of management that the team was only one or two pieces away from being a stanley cup contender, correct?
ReplyDeleteAnd that mistaken beleif wasn't recognized as mistaken until halfway through 09-10? At which point management had already pissed away 3 years that should have been used to rebuild?
Lamenting of course, back to the present: Listening to Bob Stauffer pontificate for the first time in a while (and god how I wish it had been longer) his musings about the future of the Oilers UFAs this year were telling:
Smyth: resigned
Hemsky: He's Good
Sutton: Might resign?
Hordichuk: Not being traded
Potter and Petrell: Don't remember, don't think they were mentioned.
Hmmm... One of these things is not like the other...
I wonder if Hemsky has more value right now then Dustin Penner?
it was the mistaken belief on behalf of management that the team was only one or two pieces away from being a stanley cup contender, correct?
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was mistaken - any team that makes it to G7 of the finals is, by definition, already a Stanley Cup contender.
But then our best defenseman (and best overall player) demanded a trade and our second best defenseman left as a UFA, as did our best defensive centre and one of our better offensive wingers. And Todd Harvey.
It was those latter developments that management failed to recognize, and much as I love Petr Sykora, he wasn't up to filling all those holes.
There are people who defend the return on the Pronger trade, which is fine. But to the extent that that return is defensible, it's because of its future value - any time you trade your best player for futures, you're rebuilding, but the Oilers went ahead and behaved as though they were still contending - even after the following trade deadline, when they again traded (arguably) their best player for futures.
It makes me feel a little better regarding 83 now that we know he's playing in less than 100% condition but overall it's time to cut the chord because there's no reason to think he won't be injury-prone for the rest of his career.
ReplyDeleteOther teams know that as well and know he's up for grabs for free come the summer so it's impossible to win a trade for him.
6 is s huge problem because you'd like to think 5-6-77-plus another added piece could be the top four and then 44-58 could be a decent-to-good bottom pairing. But now 6 looks terrible and his career could be over; at least in terms of someone that isn't terrible.
Jones, has been owned by the scoring chance metric the last couple of games, but I'll chalk that up to the quality of opponents. Jones hasn't been the problem this year. Hemsky is still one of the team leaders in terms of possession(against top opposition) and is getting the short end of the stick right now in terms of results.
ReplyDeleteThe biggest problem with the Oilers is obviously 2-way defenseman, the Oilers have such a hard time getting out of their zone, which is leading to increased shots/chances against and lack of shots/chances for.
Fix the D and you fix the team.
LT - Read your Smyth piece.
ReplyDeleteWith all that true about him and his attitude, what happened in the '06 finals? Seriously? Where was he? If anyone should have been money in game 7 especially it was him, but he was iffy that whole series.
I respect the guy a ton, but I've never been his biggest fan which you may remember from HF days. That's all well and fine and I'm not trying to start a back-and-forth with a bunch of commenters, I just don't get what happened to him that series if all this heart-and-soul, Edmonton boy, Captain Canada stuff is legit. I don't think I can forgive him for that series. That was his shot. That was the payoff. What the heck happened?
Betting the Oiler war room strategy consists of nothing more than a plan to finish 26-27th overall, hit the jackpot and move up four spaces. That way Lowe Expecations and Tweedledumber can walk around with PeeWee Herman shit-eating grins all summer saying "We meant to do that." Then they can march out their shiny new toy next October keeping the gullible Oiler fanbase appeased through the stretchrun to the new arena content knowing we can move up another two spaces.
ReplyDeleteI think Omark's days as an Oiler have been predestined and hopefully we see Hartikainen in the starting lineup after the 2012 TC. Kid has to be ready.
Ideally Smyth signs on the cheap and becomes a fixture on a third line thats employed timewise similarly to the second.
Secure a younger C with some size that can win at least 45% on the dot, one more arrows up top 9 winger, a solid Dman and a G. (Wash is going to have to make some sort of move in G with Vokoun only on a one yr)
With his contract I could see Belanger being a possible move at the deadline as well.
Would really like to know what's going on inside Hemsky's head re the future. I like the guy in our top6 but he looks like a player thats either put off by trade rumblings or considering giving up NHL hockey altogether and moving back to the country with the hottest women in the world.
(minimum 2 new faces in top 9)
HALL - RNH - Ebs
NEW - Horc/NEW - Hemsky
Smyth - Horc/NEW - Jones
Harts - Lander - NEW
licanny: only if annie's hot
Fix the D and you fix the team.
ReplyDeleteI agree wholeheartedly.
Look at the 08/09 and 09/10 Lightning teams. That 09/10 team reminds me a lot of the current Oilers. Skilled forwards: Some vets, and some youth.
Stamkos, St. Louis, Lecavalier, Malone, Downie, and *Tanguay are all solid top-6 players. Two of those guys had 90 points that year.
But that team stank bad, real bad. (12th in the east in a weak division, IMO.)
You need at least 4 D who can control the play in their end and get the puck moving the other way, or you get killed with goals against, and you can't generate anything going the other way. That's what my eye tells me is happening in Oilers games.
Without the right D, you can run whoever you want in the top 6 and you'll still have trouble winning.
* Tanguay had a horrible year with boxcars, which I remember involving injury, but he was probably hurt by the D playing behind him, too. I bet we're seeing some of that phenomenon with all of Gagner, Belanger, MPS, Hemsky, Eager, etc.
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(I get that the TB team had other problems, but the general point about their D ruining their team still stands.)
Jones is better this season by eye and by numbers, but still riding a bit of luck with the boxcars. IMO. Best thing about him is the PK'ing, which is necessary for a utility guy. All in all, he's worth his contract right now. I am happily willing to admit I was wrong to predict he would not improve. He has, and let's hope he continues to do so. (Maybe he can continue to improve late in his career, a la Pisani.)
ReplyDeleteIn retrospect, though, his underlying numbers were so bad that they looked like the sort of thing a player can't fix. So it was a good bet to bet against him. But even good bets go bad sometimes. (Thankfully.)
I am hoping that my prediction/bet that Tambellini sucks will turn out to be wrong.
They need one final purging for this team to be ready to take a step. Move Hemsky if you can add a first and Second plus. Move Habby now he will bring a first and Roloson to finish the year. See if Smyth wants to make a run for Stanley and come back in the Summer for a late first. Gagner needs to play with Hall and Ebs and Smitty with RNH and Hemsky to pump the Veterans Value. They need to go after Weber and if it takes Gagner and Whitney whatever and go after Suter in the off season draft Nail and as many D as possible in the 1st rnd.
ReplyDeleteWhitney is making concussion-style errors, but without the concussion. That means he's just stupid, right?
ReplyDeleteBlum has been a top prospect for a long time and is struggling somewhat in his early days of being an NHL'er.
ReplyDeleteGive him 2 or 3 years and he could be the next Cam Barker!
Would really like to know what's going on inside Hemsky's head re the future.
I'd really like to know what's going on inside Hemsky's head re the present, many nights.
@ Bruce: Give him 2-3 years and he could be the next Gilbert too - you just never know. Smid's been developing by sundial, but he's found consistency. And with that, we have one solid D pairing, out of 3.
ReplyDeleteGetting D-men when they're 25-27 is ideal. That's part of why I don't mind the strategy of bringing in guys like Potter or Barker (Just not Barker specifically, because it was pretty clear before he got here he was... less than stellar). Whether you're signing them or trading for them, I really don't care, just as long as you keep finding players. Kulikov could be that guy in a year or two as well.
@ Bloggy: I don't think this is the year to be making jokes about concussions. Hope you are being sarcastic.
@ Cabbie: Your plan doesn't allow for what happens if kids falter. Some depth is good, and honestly, I think that the depth we have that is keeping Brule, Omark, Pajaarvi, Harski and others out of the NHl is much better for them, because they are playing in more situations in a winning environment. While it's easy to see RNH, Ebs, and Hall are ready for the NHL skill wise, playing on a losing team does weigh on a person's psyche and once you've been there enough, it's really easy to start thinking "oh boy, here we go again" instead of "I'm not going to let this stop us - we can do this".
I'd rather make the kids force there way onto the lineup, and right now, none of them are playing so well in the AHL that the team can't keep them there. So let them keep winning there, and growing there.
@ Kris: Agreed re: defense. Biggest hole on the team right now. With Whitney and Pooter playing like Smid crica 2008, and Peckham playing like... peckham of the same year... eww. It's like we have 3 rookie D-men in the lineup right now.
A good team is made:
ReplyDelete1. by being good in three phases. PP, EVEN, PK
2. a good veteran core. 26-32
3. strong prospect procurement to replace on the cheap.
our team is short of a 26-32 veteran core we can state we would keep.
we have alot of youth:
2012-2013 Rights players.
U26:
RNH(18), Hall(20), Lander(20), MP(20), Eberle(21), Hartikainen(21)Gagner(22), Omark(24), Petry(24), Peckham(24),
Graduate to Veteran Core
Barker(25),
Smid(25),Top % Ev D Pair
Dubnyk(25) Starting Tandem
27-32:
Eager(27),
Jones(27)Top 10 RW G & PK,
Whitney(28),
Gilbert(28) Top50 Dmen PPG Top 5 EV pair W/Smid
33+:
Horc(33),
Belanger(34) Top 10 PK,
Khabi(38)
UFA:
Hemsky(28),
Hordichuk(31),
Smyth(35) Top 25 LW G Pts & PK,
Potter(27) Top 30 PPG D,
Sutton(36)
Signing Smyth, a no brainers.
Sutton, on the cheap as a third pair D
Potter top 30 PPG, Team best Corsi and got killed on GA. Right were Gilbert was last year.
Sign him to a 3 yr on the cheap As #7 with potential for a top 4.
Start with our PP and youth.
Running out current high ranked
PP1:
Hall-RNH-Horcoff-Eberle-Gilbert
PP2:
Smyth-Gagner-Jones-Omark-Petry
Even play:
Our youth is getting crushed on the road: more physical net prescence on each line.
Smyth-RNH-Eberle
Hartikainen-Horc-Omark
Hall-Gagner-Jones
Eager-Belanger-XXX
MP-Lander
D
XXX-XXX
Smid-Gilbert
Sutton-Petry
potter
Gilbert and Smid are one of 5 D pairs in the league all positives.
Petry faces 2nds and has a close to even Corsi and +ve ozone finish and very good GA.
Sutton is a physical prescence faces tough Ozone start is near even at Ozone finish. Elite GA, and close to positive Corsi.
Potter top 30 PPG, Team best Corsi and got killed on GA. Right were Gilbert was last year.
Sign him to a on the cheap As #7 with potential for a top 4.
You can sure tell the year whitney is healing from something. he gets lots of 2nd and thirds, Sheltered ozone wise and is sucky in Corsi.
when healthy he faces toughs and is elite. Can we risk that.
Pk:
Jones, Belanger, Smyth, are all top 30.
Gilbert and Smid are in the top 40 For PK and one of the top 10 D pairs.
Petry is one of the top 60 PK dmen.
PK#1
Belanger-Jones-Smid-Gilbert
Pk#2
Smyth-XXX-XXX-Petry
End of the Game:
Horc-Belanger-Jones
Smid-Gilbert
or
Smyth-Horc-Belanger
Smid-Gilbert
Holes to fill:
1. another elite PK forward(goodLuck) Horcoff as the #30 C and top 60 for forwards will do.
2. A shutdown #2 dman with top 40 PK. Gorges
3. A healthy Whitney or a Replacement.(good luck)
4. Starting Goaltending Challenge for Dubnyk.
So trade Hemsky, Khabibulin, aAt the deadline. Maybe Whitney, Peckham. Depending on expected signability of Whitney.
Can Eager or Petrell get us a top 4 Defensmen?
ReplyDeleteMight want to move Hemsky or Gagner then.
Jordan: Your plan doesn't allow for what happens if kids falter. Some depth is good, and honestly, I think that the depth we have that is keeping Brule, Omark, Pajaarvi, Harski. I'd rather make the kids force there way onto the lineup,
ReplyDeleteJordan. I only advocated bringing one kid up. Hartikainen. He's ready enough and wouldn't hurt us, particularly on 4th line with potential to move to 3rd. I think the only reason he isn't in the lineup now is his injury. I like him better in our top 9 than MPS right now because he brings more of what we need most.
Sorry but I really don't see any of RNH, Hall, Eberle faltering.
Pat Quinn had it right. Bring back Jean-Francois Jacques and Ryan Stone for top-nine work immediately!
ReplyDeleteI'd hope the Oilers don't give up on Peckham. At worst, he's a bottom pairing guy or an extra in case of injury, and his play this year doesn't warrant a big raise on his $1.075M salary.
ReplyDeleteHe's only in his 2nd full season in the NHL, so there should still be room to develop. Kind of reminds me of Matt Greene, who we also dealt too early and has turned into an solid defenseman.
Defense can't get fixed overnight...
As for the rest, I have to think Hemsky is gone unless the return is too small to make it worthwhile.
Other than Smyth signing a much smaller deal to come back, I'd say the rest of the UFAs are gone too.
The biggest issue this offseason IMO is Horcoff. His NMC becomes a 10 team-exempt NTC on July 1st. So I can see the Oilers moving him to one of those 10 teams, as his contract is the one that affects how many kids we can pay after 3 years.
Pat Quinn correctly identified that the team didn't have enough grit in the top 9. Edmonton still hasn't addressed that need, though Ryan Jones is a good start.
ReplyDeleteJFJ is doing pretty well in the minors this year. 11 goals and 18 points in 19 games.
Fellow 2003 draft pick Marc Pouliot had 4 goals in 23 games.
Jones, has been owned by the scoring chance metric the last couple of games, but I'll chalk that up to the quality of opponents.
ReplyDeleteWell last night his 5 main DET opponents were:
Cleary 9.2min
Miller 8.9min
Helm 8.6min
Ericsson 6.4min
Kindl 6.1min
Not exactly murderers row.
He was a -7 Fenwick and -6 Corsi.
He scored a goal on 2 shots and finished -2.
Meanwhile Hemsky played mostly against:
Lidstrom 11.7
Franzen 11.3
Datsyuk 10.9
Bertuzzi 10.6
White 10.1
He finished +8 Fenwick, +14 Corsi (I always like Fenwick better, doesn't count the blocked shots)
He had no points on 1 shot.
Everyone wanted to trade Hemsky after the game and showered the Chosen Horseshoe with more praise.
I like Jones a lot more this year too. Mostly because he understands going to the net, with and without the puck, results in goals. I wish every Oiler went to the net like he does.
Now that he's away from 10, his underlying numbers are starting to take a real beating.
JFJ is doing pretty well in the minors this year. 11 goals and 18 points in 19 games.
ReplyDeleteWow.
That's pretty impressive.
Hope he finds his game. Seems like a nice guy, but was a deer in the headlights for 5 years here.
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ReplyDeleteGosh, really? Does this mean Marc Pouliot's not going to be a top-six NHL forward?
ReplyDelete*goes to let go of dream, realizes it's been a dead issue for at least two years, laughs heartily at that rascal Traktor's need to relive it again and again*
Not trying to get into Hemsky's head here, but it is quite obvious he either sees the writing on the wall (his shoulder is screwed), he realizes he is not the most skilled player on the team any longer, he doesn't give a crap any more, or we as fans have realized he wasn't that good to begin with. Outside of one or two goals, he just hasn't been the player he was touted to be.
ReplyDeleteIs he like Ricky Williams circa 2004?
Frustrating player to watch. Guy Lafleur once remarked on how exciting Hemsky was to watch. Others have remarked on his exciting play. I don't know.
The Habschied of this era?
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ReplyDeletePat Quinn had it right. Bring back Jean-Francois Jacques and Ryan Stone for top-nine work immediately!
This posting brought to you by the folks at the No Relevance store since neither would be considered "real" NHL hockey players.
Well last night his 5 main DET opponents were:
ReplyDeleteCleary 9.2min
Miller 8.9min
Helm 8.6min
Ericsson 6.4min
Kindl 6.1min
Not exactly murderers row.
Meanwhile Hemsky played mostly against:
Lidstrom 11.7
Franzen 11.3
Datsyuk 10.9
Bertuzzi 10.6
White 10.1
Here's the other 44.4% of that equation. Last night Jones' 4 most common teammates were:
Belanger 9.4
Gagner 9.0
Petry 5.3
Whitney 4.5
Meanwhile, Hemsky's most common teammates were:
Smyth 13.9
Horcoff 12.6
Gilbert 7.2
Smid 6.3
Hemsky had the tougher comp, no doubt, but he also had more help.
I always like Fenwick better, doesn't count the blocked shots
On this point JW and I are in 100% agreement, to me a blocked shot is like a 50/50 puck battle in the corner or anywhere else. It does tell you where the puck is, but it doesn't otherwise suggest anybody gaining an advantage.
Last night Hemsky attempted 7 shots and had 6 of them blocked. Sufficient for his defenders to say "see he's shooting more" and his detractors to say "his shot selection sucks". But for sure, his Corsi looks mighty fine. Too bad they don't give points in the standings for that. :|