However, I think there's some evidence that another Corey Potter-type might benefit the big league club more than another flat out rookie like Teubert.
Corey Potter's PDO (966) is the lowest on the team and his SP is also the worst (.895) on the current Oilers team. Meanwhile his Corsi Rel is the best on the club--all of this is among defenseman and behind the net supplies the info here. Gabe also tells us Potter is facing mid-level competition overall.
I'm not saying the minor league defender is the solution long term, but last night the Oilers had some things going and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory on some really fixable sorties.
Good AHL defensemen have value, we know this because the game's history tells us so. Should the Oilers trade for a minor league veteran--another Corey Potter--even if the cost is someone like Theo Peckham? I think it's worth considering.
I'm hoping Sutton comes back and is efficient. Helmer certainly is a veteran, is he too small for the big show?
ReplyDeleteI think he's probably a little too old for the NHL, although I haven't seen him.
ReplyDeleteWe could trade for Taylor Chorney! Oh wait, he's sitting right in front of us on our farm team.
ReplyDeleteLT, Potter played that Teubert pinch horribly & allowed Palmer an easy shot on goal (wrist shot from 25 feet) that Khabby just whiffed! Back checker was there (believe it was Hemmer) but Potter didn't recognize the play! The Oil missed there chances (Hemsky hitting post, Horcoff doing what he does) & the Wild were recipients of shoddy tending, let's not get carried away with bringing in some over the hill d-men that aren't much of an improvement (if any) to what we already have. Let players heal & we get Sutton back, best improvement we can make!
ReplyDeleteYou're right. Helmer has the hockey sense, but probably can't keep up.
ReplyDeleteLT - I've tried to find the Oiler's record split by month over the past 12 years with no luck. Just from seeing this team for 30 years, it seems that they are terrible and look unmotivated in late December and early January every year going well beyond the past five years of a down talent and management cycle. I never can figure out why. Other teams presumably have the holidays too.
Peckham is really struggling and could stand some time in the PB - but to your point LT, who are you going to put out there who's not going to be any worse unless you:
ReplyDelete1) Make a trade for a proven player
2) Go the waiver wire route
3) As you suggest find a minor league vet and trade for him
Of couse, all this assumes that the goal this year is to actually win some games. So far, the real disconnect this season is the difference between what coach and management say (we want to win compete for the playoffs) and what management is doing.
Yes we're more competitive than last season because there is more talent on the roster.
But there are glaring holes that we're not trying to fill with short-term solutions (for better or worse).
In the meantime, Khabibulin keeps getting run out there because you think he gives you the best chance to win today, and DD is not being shown the same kind of patience that someone like Peckham is being given.
word verification: unhaleu - don't praise God for this one.
I think ownership has this team where they want it in all honesty. Losing close. Close enough so the suckers... er... season ticket holders wouldn't suspect something. I envision Darryl "Wong" high fiving some of his rich buddies somewhere in a downtown Vancouver penthouse when the final buzzer went last night. One game closer to a low lottery pick. I mean nobody could be this stupid could they... could they??
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ReplyDeleteToday is the 30th anniversary of Gretzky's likely most untouchable record.
Too young to personally remember it(I leave it to you and Bruce to recount anecdotes of that night), but it is a cool achievement, and likely Gretz's eye flame/60 was at an all-time high that night.
That was meant to say "eye-glow/60"
ReplyDeletetoo much merry makes brain work slow
This organization loves to give at bats to rookies.
ReplyDeleteIn the situation where the playoffs are not in the picture, I don't mind.
I do mind that this is the 6th year in a row where they won't make the playoffs, yet they call it "Year 2" of the rebuild.
No reason to plug in a plug when you can plug in rook.
It will help secure a spot in the lottery.
Why do I have a strong feeling that the Oilers will finish 26th in the league and win the lottery to get the 1st Overall pick for the 3rd year in a row?
Players sometimes struggle in their second year in the NHL. Look at MPS or Jonathan Blum. I think its too early to give up on Teddy - especially just for a few wins this season.
ReplyDeletePotter will be 28 in a few days. Peckham just turned 24 a month ago.
Potter will be a UFA next year. Can you count on him to play well and how much and for how long do you pay him?
The Oilers should be trying to get another cheap year out of him by signing him right now.
Next year the Oilers will have Whitney, Gilbert, Smid, Potter and Petry. Thats a decent group. They will likely waive Plante, leaving them with Peckham in the 6 hole and Teubert on the last year of his ELC.
If they can add a quality NHL defenseman to that group it should be a good unit. If they can't, then another Potter would be the way to go.
I long for the days when Oilers management would actually address problem areas during the season than kick the rebuilding can another season down the road...
ReplyDeleteMaybe next year after we buy out Khabi and trade Horcoff they can fix our defense and get a younger good goaltender.
I have that game somewhere, will have to watch it. What I remember most, actually two things, is that the sky was the limit. those Oiler teams were similar to Orr's Bruins because every night meant something special could happen.
ReplyDeleteAnd the other thing was bathroom breaks. You really couldn't take any except intermissions, because they'd score 2 while you were away.
:-)
word ver: immoshin.
I long for the days when Oilers management would actually address problem areas during the season than kick the rebuilding can another season down the road...
ReplyDeleteLike '93 to 2004? I don't miss those days of mediocrity at all.
They may suck now, but hopefully they will put together enough pieces to do more than just barely make the playoffs each year.
That's the shame of Whitney missing most of two seasons. He should be the mentor for the kids coming up.
ReplyDeleteThe goal was on Khabib, who for some reason was worried about Clutterbuck who couldn't hit the net from five feet ala Smyth last night - that was painful.
And then the Oilers keep forcing Horcoff into the number two slot, but that's a whole nother beef.
Sean Sullivan, Worchester Sharks, UFA at end of season. Tremendous skater, fabulous edges, which lets him win battles against even the biggest AHL players. Can he play NHL hockey? Hard to know since nobody has ever given him a chance. He has had some pretty good years in the AHL. At 27 he certainly isn't past it. The best part, at the AHL level he can really move the puck and is a cycle killer, very hard to forecheck. He has NHL plus speed at least. Basically Taylor Chorney if Chorney liked to knock opposing players on their butts.
ReplyDeleteOver the years, thousands of pucks arriving on Horcoff's stick, in the slot, with the goalie out of position - oops.
ReplyDeleteAnd from the scribes - Nada, nyet, nichevo.
Hemsky is a saint, a saint I tell ya.
Woodguy: Why do I have a strong feeling that the Oilers will finish 26th in the league and win the lottery to get the 1st Overall pick for the 3rd year in a row?
ReplyDeleteBecause you're an optimist!
"Why do I have a strong feeling that the Oilers will finish 26th in the league and win the lottery to get the 1st Overall pick for the 3rd year in a row?"
ReplyDeleteBecause deep down you love the idea of someone called Yakupov nailing the final piece of a silly top-six attack next season.
Already other team's fans are shaking their heads at the draft picks this team's already managed since the Gagner draft.
The last thing I want Tambellini/Lowe doing is trading players for other players- since management of 30th place teams are usually there because they're shite at everything relative to their peers right down the line.
ReplyDeleteGagner+Hemsky say, for some eventual plug/bust/injury jockey makes me break out in a cold sweat, when I can be bothered to think about it.
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ReplyDeletemakes me break out in a cold sweat
ReplyDeleteAre you sure that's not just the post holiday-DT's? Have a drink, then it should all be better. I suspect the Oilers management uses that method when contemplating their record.
I like the sound of that SJ AHL guy. If he can play at a Peckham/Teubert level or higher, then there is a place for him on the Oilers. Perhaps Motin would get him here? Or maybe trade Hemsky for him (bookie thingy).
It's cool. Last night I missed the big game and somehow reckon there will be many less nights spent wasted. I salute you die-harder fans than I, lol.
ReplyDelete"I'm proud of our fans", said the new president of Hockey Operations, who spoke to us while enjoying a bottle of fine French Burgundy. "Enjoying the wonderful NHL hockey team they're being given by us at the Oilers HQ, plus anyone that met Wayne Gretzky, or purchases season tickets, why they all need to realise who has given them this level of branded entertainment for the past 20 years.
Frankly, I feel they should feel lucky to have the Oilers to follow."
Kevin Lowe
LT, I posted this over at Oilersnation but expect that it will not be met with the same sort of analysis it might here.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that the Oilers underlying numbers are actually quite good:
12th in GF/ game (2.72)
14th GA/ game (2.69)
13th in 5 on 5 GF/GA
3rd! in PP%
9th in PK%
16th in shots against
Problem areas? 26th in Faceoffs and 30th in shots for.
I am not sure how you match up all these relatively good numbers with their 26th place in the standings.
Inexperience? Bad luck?
It would seem that both of those things would cure themselves. Perhaps the best thing for them to do is to stay the course.
If you had to pick a team for a 2nd half breakout, it might be the Oilers.
Everyone wants to trade Horcoff, Get rid of Horcoff.
ReplyDeleteLets get a Center who can Rplace him.
To replace you need:
1. Better at Center points
2. similiar or better Ev pt Production.
3. face other teams best
4. Better than Horcoff Top PK
5. tough zone start. Horc 43% the 55%(seguin) to 78%(sedin) guys can well thank the sheltering. alot of major negative zone finnishes.
7 centers who could replace Horcoffs list of skills.
Henrique NJ .85M
Kelly Bos 2.125M
Nielsen NYI .5M(he is same by #)
J. Staal PIT 4M
Kesler VAN 5M
M. Richards LA 5.75M
Toews CHI 6.3M
Last couple of years these guys were on the list.
Zajac 3.9M henriques role now. Conroy retired.
Reasoner 1.4M Neilsens role.
Backes 4.5M just short on points.
While dump Horcoff is nice Provado.
Who do you replace him with?
Were is this great F....ng savings?
Reasoner just eats at me every time I do this Review.
Frans Nielsen is UFA but Detroit will snag him.
From what I remember the two games prior, 37 and 38, were far more impressive than the Philly game. He scored 4 (no EN) in game 38, and 3 or 4 in game 37, and IIRC they were all highlight reel goals. But whenever the talking heads discuss this record, we always get the shot of Gretzky sliding the puck into the EN.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how players seem to go into slumps whenever they're knocking on a milestone's door. But not Gretz. He always seemed to increase production.
So many points and so many records, he became known as Canada's Tony Hand.
So many points and so many records, he became known as Canada's Tony Hand.
ReplyDeleteI remember a lot of people saying that.
Hypothetically speaking, and I know this is far from what "Management" would want to do (which is nothing), but what if the Oilers traded some of their upcoming draft picks away, rather than trying to acquire them? Crazy talk, I know... but I'm wondering what some of you think?
ReplyDeleteThey've been grabbing top picks the past few years and have really got themselves in a good position offensively. Plus, if you keep picking 1st overall (or top 3), eventually we're going to have a logjam of insane contracts and have to blow it up anyhow (we're going down that road already).
Being in a lottery position, that #1 Oilers pick is very valuable and packaged up with a player/players such as Hemsky, Eager (playoff performer) could perhaps bring back a top 2 defender non? Maybe trade the 2nd overall pick with a player as well and really firm up the D corps with proven talent. 2 trades for a 1/2 Dman and a 3/4 Dman.
If the Oiler Brass had the gonads to do this, they could have a solid back end with some prospects in the bank/AHL. In the offseason if they had more balance, it may attract a couple Free Agent signings of players that want to be involved in something that looks promising (finally)... then address Goaltending and you've got a playoff team.
The upcoming draft is full of D prospects, but who wants to wait on them to develop? The Oilers need to at least touch the playoffs sometime soon...
Build it and they will come.
Thoughts?
russia / slovakia, dec 28:
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sweden / swiss, dec 28:
http://slothpool.toqueboy.com/content/wjc-sweden-vs-swiss-dec-28
going to both games tonight, so will have that up tomorrow. cheers.
@Gretzkin: Aren't Oilers already enough like the California Seals, without handing a major competitor a generational talent?
ReplyDeleteMake them wear white skates after every loss instead, lol.
No current NHL team is as bad as the Oakland Seals, not close.
ReplyDelete@hunter1909, I did say it was crazy, hypothetical talk, and though I am a firm believer in drafting and development, why not pluck something mega-proven and shave a few years off of the rebuild?
ReplyDeleteGive the kids a winning team so they'll stay, and add some key pieces to attract Free Agents. Crazy enough to work, with prospects in the coffers already, plus kids tracking way ahead of schedule. Anyone think RNH would be as good as he is now? Or Eberle for that matter? It's (hypothetical) go time.
Though, it is true, that pick is getting more valuable as the games play out... perhaps Renney should make them practice in white skates, laughing.
unteled: didn't get the memo
Lowetide: We all know the fact that the Seals blew, but they were almost as likely to tie the Habs than get blown out; and for the record did they ever finish LAST 2 years and counting in the 12 team NHL?
ReplyDeleteI Sir, propose that this current putrid/incredible edition of the Oilers is in fact a far worse proposition as the Oakland Seals - 30th out of 30 X 2 <<<< wearing white skates and playing at the Cow Palace.
hunter, I'm asking this because I don't know. Do you remember the Oakland Seals?
ReplyDeleteThis is way off topic LT, so sorry in advance...
ReplyDeleteHowever; if we are truly following the "Chicago" and "Pittsburgh" models (I know it changes on a week-to-week basis), I think we're at the part where the current GM is told thanks for getting the #1 picks, and he gets an apple and a roadmap.
After drafting Kane and Toews, on July 14, 2009, the Blackhawks demoted Tallon to the position of Senior Advisor. Stan Bowman, son of Scotty Bowman, was promoted to general manager.
After drafting Malkin, Crosby and Staal, the Penguins announced on April 20, 2006 that the contract for General Manager Craig Patrick would be terminated.
Taking a quick look around the interwebs, how does everyone feel about Jason Botterill?
- 35 years old
- Has an MBA
- Has been working under Ray Shero as the assistant GM for 3 years (key notes: Winning Organization, guy who helped set up a team from worst to first)
- Has strong hockey background; former first round draft pick of the Stars.
- Also scouted for Dallas.
- Worked in the NHL Central Registry
- Edmonton native
Heck of a resume for a guy who is only 35, no?
Heck of a resume for a guy who is only 35, no?
ReplyDeleteBeyond the fact that you'd expect a first round draft pick to be working in a different capacity at age 35, yes.
(I'm not claiming that this has any bearing on his suitability as a GM candidate.)
I don't want to trade Horcoff, he's an excellent third line center. Okay, he's overpaid but that's what he is. I don't want him breathing oxygen as an offensive center.
ReplyDeleteI don't care if you put MP with Hall and Hemsky and they never win a faceoff. They'll scare the crap out of the opposition.
Renney has five top guys now, he doesn't know what to do with them. You call up Harsky for the two kids and you put Lander between Hall and Hemsky. It's not as if Lander has never played with top line talent before.
The Oilers keep forcing players into predetermined slots and are bewildered with the results.
Hell, look at the Boys on the Bus. The offense was Gretzky/Kurri, Messier/Anderson plus add ons.
The kids need a corner man. Hall and Hemsky need a center and it sure as hell is not Horcoff or Gagner. Gagner is a joke on wing and is worse than Horcoff at center. He might be years down the road but he isn't that now. And the Oilers are burning daylight.
All you would have to do with Hemsky and Hall is go as fast as you can to the slot and circle with your stick on the ice. The puck will get there. But you need to get a good shot on goal.
The Oilers have this unbelievable talent and they're wrecking the team before our eyes.
They're watching the team go in the crapper to get a draft pick that's years away and will trade Hemsky for peanuts. Because they don't know what to do with him. But hey, we have Horcoff and Belanger on the power play. Isn't that a crock.
Lol at the US for getting eleminated by the Czechs.
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ReplyDeleteI read in the GM book that the Seals didn't wear one skates.
ReplyDeleteThe owner wanted it and so Torrey dropped them in the dressing room and told the team someone was volunteering.
One player wore them for one period in one game.
The owner backed off his white skate demand after seeing that the white skates blended too much with the white ice.
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ReplyDeleteLet's try this again:
ReplyDeleteGreat sequence showing early chemistry between Marincin & Gernat. As the Slovaks finished a PP with the two Dmen doing some pass & shoot, Rakell blocks one high in the zone then is on horse. Marincin eats up the ice between them & makes a diving stick play to knock the puck away. Gernat comes in to finish his check on Rakell, while Marincin pops up & clears the puck crisply.
VanDiest from the Sun with another shot at Hemsky on twitter:
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Sent: Dec 30, 2011 1:13p
Don't like when Hemsky's not on the ice. You never know when #Oilers practice is over because he's not there to be the first guy off.
What a small man he is.
I wonder he and Matheson have a bet on who can shit talk Hemsky more on the way out the door.
Pathetic.
Oops, meant "white skates", not "one skate" in Seal post.
ReplyDeleteanyway, the Seals didn't finish last because the league expanded in 1970, 1972 and 1974. But they were shitty beyond anything you can imagine.
ReplyDeleteHorrible. Horribible.
Pouliot was recalled by Phoenix.
ReplyDeleteLowetide: I don't personally remember the Seals, but read a lot about them as a child, and heard elders like everyone else.
ReplyDeleteApparently every time the Habs played the Seals at home the home team would be so confounded at the inability of the Seals to play hockey that, like quicksand, even Montreal in between dynasties mode often ended up playing as bad as the Seals, haha.
The play of David Musil made me smile today. Sure he has slow feet that need work, but he looks to be well on his way to becoming a solid, reliable, shot blocking, PK/5x5 guy that looks to have Franks pain threshold/toughness.
ReplyDeleteHe took a clear hit to the head (Bjugstad) and for better or worse he shook off the cobwebs (sniffing salt) to continue his role eating up major minutes on the PK/5x5.
Its hard to send down players the coach can rely on... and on that note let me propose that the 'Oiler model' could have him on the team out of camp next year (again, for better or worse).
hunter: One of my favorite stories about the Seals involves a game just like the one you're talking about. Seals G Gilles Meloche--a French Canadian--was incredible in net despite the loss to Montreal one night.
ReplyDeleteThe kid played his heart out, and Habs fans gave him a standing O. Very classy.
@ Ducey
ReplyDeleteImportant to remember that those numbers are still being skewed by Khabibulin's out of body experience early in the season but are now tracking downward.
Also important to note that some of those numbers are skewed by the 9-2 beating the Oilers laid on the Blackhawks and, as we know, the hockey gods tend to even those things out over the course of a season.
For example, overall the Oilers are 14th in GA/G at 2.67 as you pointed out.
However, in the last ten games, their GA/G is 3.40 which would have them tied with Ottawa for worst in the league.
There's a major market correction underway here
Well the original topic was D-men or lack there of for the Oilers, so here goes:
ReplyDeleteKeep in mind this is my first viewing of Musil, but I was mildly disappointed.
In the game against the US he was a bit of a one trick pony. I'm going to get jumped on over this, but his game reminded me of Jason Smith in his last season as an Oiler.
Now he was very good at his one trick - blocking shots, protecting the crease, PK specialist.
However, just as Smith did in his last Oiler season he spent most of his shifts in his own zone defending cause he was poor at retrieving pucks and getting it out of his own zone - mostly for lack of puck skills and agility. He seemed satisfied with keeping pucks and bodies out of the box which is fine to a point, but eventually you have to go retrieve the puck and move it North. The US had 50 some shots! By the way the game was a riot - especially the Czech goalie.
Musil played big minutes, but that's deceiveing as he doesn't make alot of miles out there. He mostly stays within 12ft of his own net in a stationary defending stance, occasionally leaning on guys in front of his own net.
I guess I was expecting more of a complete D-man based on scouting reports. Again, very limited viewing from a poor source, but his skating, agility, and puck skills need alot of work IMO.
I'm sure he'll be given every opportunity at the big league level in a few years, but he may need to be paired with a Gilbert to be effective.
Anybody at the game have a better read on him?
Oilers need Two real dman this summer: not an easy thing to pull off when the only way you make a good trade is when Ryan Smyth trades himself back to you.
ReplyDeleteIt's no good to count on 6 from here on out and young 58 skates well but has a ten cent head on too many occasions. 24 seems like a 6th guy who can kill a penalty but that's absolutely it. Nothing more can be hoped for.
Musil must have slow feet considering he's an Oilers defensive dman prospect.
Tom Renney looks so much like Dr Drew maybe the players are confused after watching celebrity Rehab with their girlfriends..
ReplyDeleteLowetide: That's the kind of stuff I remember - coming from a Habs to Oilers family, haha. Incredible times for hockey back then.
Listened to a radio interview with Pierre LeBrun (he's extremely plugged in) this afternoon.
ReplyDeleteHe says Columbus, Anaheim and Carolina are making phone calls that they are open for business right after the new year.
He's expecting some blockbuster trades in January and mentioned Getzlaf explicitly and perhaps Nash and Staal as being on the market.
I can see Getzlaf ending up in Toronto since Burke still has a cozy relationship with the Ducks and has the pieces to make that kind of trade.
No idea where Staal or Nash might be headed.
Unfortunately for the Oilers, all three teams are weak at D.
It's no good to count on 6 from here on out and young 58 skates well but has a ten cent head on too many occasions.
ReplyDeleteOk Mr. Rexall, find some 'scrupulous' surgeons in that drug supply industry you are part of and get them to sew Whitney's boday and head on Petry's legs.
that's 'body', not 'boday'
ReplyDeleteMeh. Oilers have too many kids on D so it's frustrating to watch. I think Petry will be the best of the bunch, he can certainly move the puck well.
ReplyDeleteRight now it's like watching young pitchers walk the bases loaded.
Finland, Finland, Finland!
ReplyDeleteThe place where I quite want to be!
Your mountains so lofty!
Your treetops, so tall!
finland finland finland!
ReplyDeleteYour people are hearty
You have too many vowels
And you drink like us!
Lol at the US for getting eleminated by the Czechs.
ReplyDelete"Eleminated".
Is that death by lemming?
That would be a tough way to go.
Finland, Finland, Finland,
ReplyDeleteThe country where I want to be,
Pony trekking or camping,
Or just watching TV.
Finland, Finland, Finland.
It's the country for me.
You're so near to Russia,
So far from Japan,
Quite a long way from Cairo,
Lots of miles from Vietnam.
Finland, Finland, Finland,
The country where I want to be,
Eating breakfast or dinner,
Or snack lunch in the hall.
Finland, Finland, Finland.
Finland has it all.
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ReplyDeleteFinland, Finland, Finland!
ReplyDeleteI am not sure what is going on♫
Finland, Finland, Finland!
I just drank some beer♫
Finland, Finland, Finland!
Apparently, according to Google you just beat the Americans thus relegating them to the relegation round.♫
Finland, Finland, Finland!
I wish I had more beer♫!
Finophiles, sing!
ReplyDeleteScouting report: on three separate occasions tonight while drinking at a bar, I looked up to see the back of Oskar Klefbom celebrating a goal. So I think we can conclude that he's good.
ReplyDeleteFailure to kick the rebuilding can another season down the road is how we adjusted our 1980s dual-timezone digital wristwatch to indicate that we're losing Stalingrad in the bitter winter of 1948.
ReplyDelete2005-2006 Hamilton Bulldogs(*)
2005-2006 Iowa Stars(*)
2007-2010 Springfield Falcons
(*) Partial.
At least we had the Falcons all to ourselves:
2000–01 Out of Playoffs
2001–02 Out of Playoffs
2002–03 W, 2–0, HART
L, 1–3, HAM
2003–04 Out of Playoffs
2004–05 Out of Playoffs
2005–06 Out of Playoffs
2006–07 Out of Playoffs
2007–08 Out of Playoffs
2008–09 Out of Playoffs
2009–10 Out of Playoffs
2010–11 Out of Playoffs
You reap what you sow. Name me one team not named the Greenbay Midgets to win the cup in less than a decade after being owned by the EIG.
Trivia: In Wisconsin one can be admitted to the bar without passing a bar exam through diploma privilege.
[In a class action from June 2008] petitioners assert that the Wisconsin diploma privilege discriminates against interstate commerce [] because it affords a diploma privilege in lieu of a bar examination only to lawyers graduating from Wisconsin's law schools. ... The district court subsequently dismissed the case for failure to state a cause of action.
There's a moral in there, I'm sure.
Nice to see Lunchpail Sammy with a digit by his name.
ReplyDeleteEveryone else catch Oil Change last night? I thought Gagners philosophy of playing through injuries was pretty cool.
Khabibulin - "I don't know how many years I have left, so I might as well have fun with it."
Years? Oh boy.
Oops. Wrong thread.
ReplyDeletePunjabiOil said...
ReplyDeleteHowever, Bunz is a better goalie than Dubnyk has shown
And you know this because you're a qualified scout and have carefully analyzed and compared Bunz/Dubnyk's junior numbers right?
Pffftttt