Winter 2011: #3
Summer 2011: #2
Pre Draft Story
- Redline Report: Klefbom is a real Red Line favorite. He's certainly the most overlooked of the top prospects, but is the best pure passer of the bunch, and his skating ranks only behind Murphy. He already makes pro style passes — crisp and with touch — and excels at breaking the trap with tremendous stretch passes through the neutral zone, showing great vision. He was also the natural leader on Sweden's national under-18 team. All this comes wrapped in a 6-3, 196-pound package, and Klefbom has really stepped up the physical aspect of his game over the last 12 months. At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year's class.
- TSN (Grant McCagg): Captained Sweden to a silver medal at the U-18 championships, and appeared in 23 games for Farjestad in the SEL at 17 years of age. His stock rose as the season went on, culminating with his strong play at the U-18's. Strengths - High character player who did it all for Sweden at the U-18's, considered a warrior with tremendous leadership qualities. Good size and strength, reads the play well and will jump into the rush, good vision and passing skills, good compete level, likes to play physically. Weaknesses - Has a clumsy skating style, needs to work on quickness and lower body strength. NHL Upside - May develop into a top three NHL defenceman who takes care of his own end and sees some time on the second powerplay unit.
- Corey Pronman: "Oscar Klefbom is a very toolsy defensive prospect with considerable upside if everything goes right. He’s an above-average skater who at times flashes plus. Klefbom gets up to top speed very quickly with a powerful stride which lets him take off and jump into the rush and get back into defensive position if the play gets behind him. Klefbom’s puck skills are solid-average as he can carry the puck at a notable level when moving at top speed. He’s a decent passer, and while he has the potential to be an above-average distributor, the hockey sense and vision doesn’t seem to be there enough for him to be that player. He has a decent shot, although I haven’t noticed much bad or good in that aspect of his game. Klefbom has a good frame that has filled out nicely for a player born in late July at around 6’3″, 200 lbs., but he doesn’t really use his body much from a physical perspective though he can win some battles. I’ve also seen him make bad decisions when being physically pressured. Hockey sense is Klefbom’s major liability as it grades from 35-40. He doesn’t see the ice well, takes too long with decisions, his defensive game is suspect and he can get too overzealous at times with his offensive rushes and pinches.”
- Kirk Luedeke: “Sweden’s top puck rusher is Brodin’s teammate in Farjestad and is a much flashier prospect because he zooms up the ice like he’s been shot from a cannon, fires the puck hard and plays a more aggressive, dynamic style. He may not be Brodin’s equal defensively or even in how he processes and thinks the game, but we love the way he activates at the right time and will jump into the play. When he’s on his game, he will attack defenses with speed and can gain the zone on his own. He instinctively sees the shooting lanes opening up and takes advantage- he’s not afraid to get the puck on net and likes to hammer it at the goalie as much as he can. Klefbom does have the vision and hands to hit his teammates with passes. If teams are looking for a defender who loves to rush the puck over your more classic puck mover, than Klefbom is their guy.”
You can see why the Oilers liked Klefbom, he's a "perfect fit" for an organization that badly needs defenders with size, speed and a wide range of skills.
- Stu MacGregor: "A big, great skating defenseman. A solid, two-way guy who moves the puck intelligently and competes really hard. We were really pleased he was there (with the 19th pick). We wanted to get a defenseman, especially one with size who can move."
- SEL 23, 1-1-2 8:50TOI
- WJ 6, 1-3-4
- SEL 14, 0-0-0 11:19TOI
- J20 10, 0-3-3
With Klefbom's skills and ability to push the puck up the ice expertly, it isn't out of the question to project him as a 20 point NHL defender eventually. Should he earn a powerplay opportunity, that number would of course matriculate northward.
INJURY
- Klefbom was unlucky enough to get cut on his thigh by an ice skate, the wound was sewn with ten stitches, and when the stitches were removed there was an infection. Now Klefbom is on penicillin which also prohibits him from playing.
- Klefbom got a shoulder-tackle to his chin (during a tough practice four days ago) which caused him losing his helmet and bumping his head on the ice without protection and suspicions were that the hit might have left Klefbom with a concussion.
- Klefbom was hit to the head by a Russian forward and he had to leave the game. Didn’t play in the tournament after that hit. I assume Klefbom suffered a concussion.
It is a down arrow. That's why he's #3 this time.



Of course he's injury prone. Seems half the team is. He'll fit right in.
ReplyDeleteI was going to put "matreculate" in the first post, but someone beat me to it. Sorry LT if that cost you a beer.
ReplyDeleteThis is a bit OT on a prospect thread, but now that Smid has cracked the Narnian slab though un[self]conscious sacrifice, and the gods are finally appeased by rumours of MPS's immanent trade (sorry, I had to do that), could we appeal to MacT through unofficial channels to formally declare on TSN that "I was wrong about Joffrey Lupul" before Burke's ego exceeds the Chandrasekhar limit and threatens to implode the galactic core of the hockey universe?
In retrospect, it seems Lowe was a bit too quick to jizz over the high water mark of the assets in question. Tricky palantir, we hates you.
Pronman seems to give him the thumbs down and his review flies in the face of the other scouting reports. Just reading the other reports, it appears that Pronman either "saw him bad" or didn't get in the same number of viewings as some of the other scouts.
ReplyDeleteFeeling a bit Vedic this morning, DMW?
ReplyDeleteLT, there are some jarring disagreements in those scouting reports. Kind of like finding Prince Caspian swimming naked in the Ganges.
Do we just avert our eyes? Or do we doff our duds and dive in?
spOILer: With this year's winter top 20, I wanted to post at least 4 pre-draft scouting reports on all of the 2011 picks.
ReplyDeleteFor the Nation Radio show, last year I had Craig Button and Kirk Luedeke as draft options. This year, for different reasons, neither is available.
Corey has some very interesting insights and although he's perhaps less glowing about Klefbom there's some good info there. Toolsy, I like that description.
So, long answer above. Short answer: This year's 20 will have more draft day scouting reports and they of course will contradict each other in some ways.
LT: agreed, the more info the better.
ReplyDeleteWhat blows me away about defenseman is the number of star high-end players that come from deep in the draft. Did no one see the Keiths and Yandles of this world coming?
ReplyDeleteAnd then there's the number of high D picks that don't pan.
Klefbom was taken in the same range as Seabrook, so I'm hoping that's what we have, but of course there's no guarantees.
Teubert has impressed me so far.
Well I think Teubert is probably ahead of Peckham on points. No hell, but he's clearly been better and that should count for something.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Peckham gets dealt soon. He'll have value--all defensemen do--but he's been the last option based on performance pretty much all year.
What are the prospects to get him on this side of the pond next year? I imagine that some top 4 ice time in the minors would be necessary in his development.
ReplyDeletelol @ Clarkenstein.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I learned last night, is that Hall/RNH are the superstars of this team. As soon as Hall left the game the team instantly dropped about 5 levels in the standings from the drop in their level of overall play.
Which by my reckoning makes them an 11th place team without him.
Injuries and not even attended training camp? I would be surprised if Klefbom ever makes it in the NHL.
Trading Peckham away(and I wouldn't be surprised if 29 GM's would snap him up in a second) would be perfect - for ensuring the team can realign it's strategy for success, by once more having to find a defenceman like Peckham.
ReplyDeletewtf...
I blame Lowetide for my intense desire to yell "DROP THE KLEFBOM!" which cannot be satisfied until Klefbom plays an NHL game... Which may never happen.
ReplyDeleteTrading Peckham away(and I wouldn't be surprised if 29 GM's would snap him up in a second) would be perfect - for ensuring the team can realign it's strategy for success, by once more having to find a defenceman like Peckham.
ReplyDeleteThere are lots of tough Dmen who make terrible decisions and can't pass.
The AHL is full of them.
I'm not sure Peckham this year is better than Belle was last year.
The trick with Dmen is figuring out if you are giving up too early.
TOR/OTC gave up on Jason Smith too early, and he was 25 when they traded him to EDM for a 4th rounder and a 2nd rounder the next year.
COL gave up on Gilbert too early.
Teddy just turned 24, so he should be close to being "what he is". If its what we've seen this year, he is very replaceable.
He had flashes of good play last year, so you know it can be somewhere in him, but when Tuebert is looking better than you, there are problems.
Greene on the other hand, was just starting to be what he has become, and was traded for Vis, so I'm not sure the Oilers gave up on him as much as turned him into a very good D (along with a decent 3C in Stoll)
WG, Potter too, with Smith, Gilbert, Greene.
ReplyDeletePeckham, I am undecided on. I think the problem is in his noodle. The Oil probably have the best idea of whether his thinking can improve. He may need to play for a bit with a better pairing rather than rooks like Petry and Teubert to get his game back. Didn't he have vet help for goodly stretches last year?
I'm somewhat on the side of hunter here, in that the idea would be to trade him for an improvement and what team is gonna make that swap unless its a captrade or Teddy is the kicker in a bigger deal?
Asmsh: dyxlesic Hulkanamia
Okay, assuming Barker is LTIRed... Howson is allegedly willing to part with Tyutin's salary. Does Peckham and one of the 3rds make him trigger-happy?
ReplyDeleteIf so, our D depth looks like this:
A Healthy Whitney
Gilbert
Smid
Potter
Tyutin
Sutton
Petry
Or is that contract of his anathema?
Stagarch: popular peeler move
Did no one see the Keiths and Yandles of this world coming?
ReplyDelete2011 NHL All-Star team D:
Nick Lidstrom 53rd OV
Shea Weber 49th OV
Zdeno Chara 56th OV
Lubo Visnovsky 118th OV
spOILer: Interesting idea, but your depth chart is a bit wonky. No possible way would Tyutin be behind Potter and outside the top four. <6 months in age between them, one guy has played 25 NHL games and the other 500+.
ReplyDeleteThe jury remians way out on Potter, he had an excellent start but his play was "levelling off" (def: starting to suck) before he got hurt. Whereas Fedor Tyutin is a solid NHL defenceman with an 8-figure contract to prove it.
Interesting to see Pronman singled out here - I thought TSN's profile was the one that didn't fit, personally. Grant McCagg was the only scout that listed skating as a weakness rather than a strength.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, let's look at Pronman's list of negatives:
- Probably won't be a high-end puckmover, though he's at least average in that dept.
- Doesn't use his body as much as he should
- Suspect defensive game
- Hockey sense is weak
Let's start with hockey sense and defensive game.
Leudeke: "He may not be Brodin’s equal defensively or even in how he processes and thinks the game..."
Nobody else really praises his defensive game either at this point, so I think we can chalk that up as an actual weakness. It's probably connected to hockey sense, too - RLR likes his vision, as does TSN, but Leudeke describes him as more of a puck-rusher, so who knows. The one thing I've noticed with RLR is they seem to place a lot of weight on tournament showings, so that may be factoring into their glowing description.
Meanwhile, on the physical play, here's what RLR says:
"Klefbom has really stepped up the physical aspect of his game over the last 12 months. At Red Line, we believe he might ultimately become the best all-around balance of offensive upside and physical strength in this year's class."
"Stepped up" implies that he had to improve; I don't think it's a stretch to say that we can question how physical Klefbom is. Everyone praises his strength, but nobody really calls him a big hitter (TSN comes closest, but then TSN doesn't think he's a good skater).
In other words, I don't think Pronman's report clashes with the others, I think it's just framed differently.
Speaking for myself, there's still lots to like: a big, strong skating defenseman who is comfortable with the puck can be plenty useful (sounds a little like Smid, doesn't it?). Injuries are a concern, and naturally his defensive game will take some time (as with just about every other young prospect in the world).
He's a good prospect, but the warts are clear.
(Word confirmation: hippe. Which, presumably, is Swedish for "hip check." Which, again presumably, indicates that I'm underselling Klefbom's physical game.)
Also, on Peckham: it really depends if the Oilers see playoffs this year, doesn't it? Because if not, now's the time to let him try and figure things out. If they do see a possible playoff run in their spring, then things are different.
ReplyDeleteWord confirm: sectso. As in, "Why? Because I sectso."
Agree 100% re:playoffs JW. I posted my thoughts yesterday on Smid and Peckham-if the goal this year is more development we're fine on the backend;let's just keep plugging with who we've got(and injuries) and we'll address the D next summer.
ReplyDeleteBut if they think they've got a sniff at a playoff spot our current D isn't going to get us there and a trade(Peckham) is needed.
Can anyone think of a defenceman who was as bad with the puck as Peckham -at roughly his age- who eventually became a decent(ish) top 4 D-man?
ReplyDeleteI can't.
If there is no such comparable, or if such comparables are one in a million, why keep playing Peckham?
And there's no point spending time and resources developing potential third pairing D-men, when third pairing D-men can be easily acquired for nothing via trade, free agency, etc.
The Oilers have a shot at the playoffs, but Peckham's awful play is hurting their chances fairly significantly. IMO.
Deal him or waive him down to the farm. Trade for a decent third pairing guy at least, or preferably someone who can really play top 4 minutes. IMO, it's a no-lose proposition.
I don't think Matt Greene was ever this bad. He looked at least a little comer and less HUA. Teubert has at least that going for him.
ReplyDelete"calmer," not "comer." Oops.
ReplyDeleteCan anyone think of a defenceman who was as bad with the puck as Peckham -at roughly his age- who eventually became a decent(ish) top 4 D-man?
ReplyDeleteDevil's advocate mode here kris,but the answer is Ladi Smid.
And I'll admit I'm stretching it a bit to make a point.
Further to my thoughts from yesterday,I'm not trading Peckham because I hate him(I don't) or he's awful(he isn't)-I just want 4 established D in our top 4.
Hey Gerta,
ReplyDeleteThat's an interesting comp.
IMO, Smid was always better with the puck. He used to make some bad choices, but he's always had a lot of skill skating and some puck handling in his own zone.
He was drafted 9th overall and played at a very young age, showing some skill and calm, but making mistakes you'd expect a 20 or 21 year old d-man to make. (He should've played a little more in the AHL at that age, but the Oilers sucked, so they needed him.)
Let's not forget, Peckham (24) is only a year younger than Smid (25).
Peckham isn't exactly past his prime, but it's becoming less and less likely that he'll figure out how to handle the puck at an acceptable level. (He really is at crappy goon level in his puck handling right now. IMO.)
Anyone else notice that Ryan Martindale finally scored his first ECHL goal after, like, 16 games yesterday?
ReplyDeleteLordy, hope this gives him a bit more confidence going forward. Gotta be hard not to feel down on yourself after going from being a star in junior to struggling to produce in the ECHL...
That is weird, James. Martindale looked pretty solid at rookie and main camp. Skating was blah, but size and skill galore. Maybe not a great prospect, but pretty decent. (Early on in those camps he looked better than Pitlick and Hamilton to me, which maybe just shows how stupid I am.)
ReplyDeleteThat kind of lack of production in the ECHL for a kid that talented makes you wonder about an attitude/personality problem or weird injury.
I wonder how far he can fall in LT's list?
kris
ReplyDeleteI agree Smid was/is a better skater and puck handler and now he's made the jump to actual NHL player.
Our host likes to remind us that D develop by sundial and I'm glad the Oilers showed the patience with Smid and we're now reaping the rewards.
But Peckham isn't as young as Smid when he was developing. And Smid was just learning proper positioning and decision making. (Most D-men entering the league struggle for a while learning this.)
ReplyDeletePeckham is older and is still trying to learn the elementary skill of how to handle the puck.
My question is whether any D-man has learned that past the age of 24? Or has there been a top 4 -man as bad as Peckham at handling -"bobbling" would be a better description for Peckham- the puck?
I'd say no on both counts. Certainly Smid doesn't help us answer either question because he has always had more skill than Peckham.
Are there examples of players with Peckham's puck handling problems who are decent top 4 Dmen or who learned how to handle the puck?
Kris,
ReplyDeleteI agree that Peckham can't pass, but many NHL Dmen made a career of "off the glass and out" if they could actually defend and made smart decisions.
Steve Staios is the poster boy of this type of Dman. Never a puck mover, but when the Oilers got him, and for a few years after, he was a good 2nd pairing Dman who you didn't have to worry about when on the ice against most (but not all) players.
The biggest problem with Theo imo is his decision making.
Ill timed pinches, abandoning his position to try to punch someone, bad positional decisions in the dzone.
He's just been a mess this year.
Except on the 3v5 PK, he's been great there.
Weird.
Except for smashing his own face into the boards at times and just staring at a guy about to hammer him without trying to defend himself, Smid's decision making was not nearly as questionable as Peckhams. Again imo.
Playing soccer with my 2.5yr old daughter in the basement.
ReplyDeleteShe was chasing the ball and ran her head full speed into the wall.
I am now calling her Ladi.
Also,
I hate to hear that Klefbom has had 2 concussions in one year.
We're starting to hear how cummulative head injuries can be, especially without proper healing time.
Not good news at all.
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You take care of that young lady, Woodguy. :-)
ReplyDeleteWhen I read those draft profiles all I hear is Brewer.
ReplyDeletePhysical Tools - check
Plus Skating - check
Apparent Offensive Upside - check
Suspect Decision Making - check
I respectfully present Eric Brewer as the best Klefbom comp.
@Woodguy: A chip off the old block, eh?
ReplyDeleteNumber 3 prospect? That surprises me LT. In all honestly I would expect Musil to be more of an impact player in the NHL.
ReplyDeleteLets hope Oscar isn't the injury prone bust he appears to be...
Multiple concussions in a no-contact league is highly troublesome.
I'll put my ego away for a moment, join the hunter camp and expect that he wastes away in Europe - then be pleasantly surprised when I'm totally wrong.
That high? Having that offense has an offensive d-man?
ReplyDeleteGood lord.
I'd like to know what exactly put him up there.
spOILer: Vedic or vedantic? This troubled me all day.
ReplyDeleteNerd Sniping
Truthfully, I'm feeling a mite N̶e͜zp̶èr͡d̵ia̕n. It's that kind of season.
DMW, definitely Vedic. Otherwise I think we leave the world of the literary and take up the fool's errand of religious discourse.
ReplyDeleteavery: this post is now subsidized by another hockey team.