Thursday, August 4, 2011

RE 11-12: Ryan Smyth

Ryan Smyth personifies a lot of what is right about our national game. Teamwork, sacrifice, hard work, grit, fearlessness, finding a way when there's no easy answer.

If you gave me an endless budget and 5 years, I don't think I could find a better mentor for this young team. Putting Ryan Smyth on the ice should mean an end to all kinds of silly things (Smid's "fight" with Avery last season would be an example) that you see from teams without a personality.

Ryan Smyth and the Edmonton Oilers have been a perfect match since he was a kid. I think his return represents a major upswing in some important areas, not the least of them being a rugged team that's no fun to play against anywhere and a tough road win for opponents. It's been awhile, welcome back 94.

 NHL Prediction for 11-12: 70, 18-19-37 (.529)
  1. I thought the numbers would be better. Well, I nicked him a little everwhere. A few less games, I've chopped his PP time and added some PK time and suspect there will be times when Smyth and Horcoff are playing a "tough minutes" matchup. Overall, I think his role will be much different in Edmonton than it was in LA.
  2. How much did you cut his PP time? A lot. Ryan Smyth played 242 minutes on the PP last season, going 9-5-14. Desjardins behind the net tells us he scored 3.37/60 at 5x4, about the same as Taylor Hall. I think the kid will get the majority of PP time. I have Smyth at about 1.5 minutes a game.
  3. So are the Oilers are going to go with a tough minutes line? Smyth played the toughs again last season and I suspect Renney will hard match (Renney CAN hard match) at times this season. Smyth had an excellent CorsiRel, was mid-pack 5x5/points per 60 and was -3.9% at Zone Start/Finish. I don't think they will all season, but there will be times when things are tough and the team is at home.
  4. Who will he play with? On that tough minutes line my guess is Horcoff and Jones. Eberle may also play on that line but he's likely to be on a scoring line. Paajarvi is possible.
  5. That's not a hard match line. Horcoff can still play that style, and Smyth isn't the player he used to be but that's the role I see him playing on the Oilers from time to time. Smyth did some cherry picking a year ago with the LAK, that will need to stop. However, he knows how to play this role and the Oilers badly need him to be effective in it.
  6. Who will he play with when things are going well? I think Renney will start the season with the "three scoring lines" vision for the team. RNH, Gagner, Horcoff (or Belanger) might be the centermen; Hall, Smyth and Paajarvi might be the LWs; Hemsky, Eberle and Omark might be the RWs with Jones also in the mix.
  7. Who are his likely linemates? I'll say RNH-Eberle and Horcoff-Hemsky are candidates for Smyth's services entering training camp.
  8. Smyth can take the faceoffs for RNH. Cool. Well I don't know that Smyth is a strong option for faceoff man. Last year he went 43.2 in just 132 sorties.
  9. So he's in about the same situation as Horcoff? Right. Mentor role, not as much PP time but a healthy dose of PK.
  10. Smyth is a better offensive player than Hall or Paajarvi. Hmmm. I'll give you Paajarvi but Hall's future is on the top line and his future is now. Plus Smyth is more experienced than Paajarvi and there's going to be plenty of minutes to go around for the top 9 forwards.
  11. Who do you have ahead of him on the PP? In terms of PP minutes, wingers ahead of Smyth are Taylor Hall, Ales Hemsky, Linus Omark and Jordan Eberle.
  12. This isn't going to be his team, is it? Not a chance. However, he can be a huge help as a mentor and a guy willing to do the dirty work when times are tough. I think he'll embrace the role; Smyth has never turned away from a challenge and one doubts he'll start now.  
  13. Why fewer games? His age is a factor. Smyth has been healthy for quite a stretch, I'm just betting he'll have a bump or two along the way. He's an Oiler now.

34 comments:

  1. If anyone wants to throw a few bucks on this for fun, I'll take the over on LT's scoring line.

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  2. I like it.

    3 outscoring lines is the way to go.

    Feels much less screwed when your ''shutdown'' guys are having a bad night because you can pick and choose.

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  3. With this D and goaltending I don't see a lot of outscoring going on fpb but this is definitely the best up front the OIlers have been in a number of years Problem is next year Smyth and Hemsky could be gone, replaced by two more kids, one step forward, one step back. Still they've got some depth up front for a change. If RNH makes it then Belanger is likely 4C at least to start and Hartikainen will likley start on the farm. Things are looking up.

    Are we on for tomorrow LT? Was away when I got your mail, replied but no response. Let me know. Thanks

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  4. Damn, BD I didn't get it. Sure. What time?

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  5. Originally you said 10 your time, if that works for you it works for me. If you still have my email drop me aline with details, I guess mine must have gotten caught in your spam filter maybe. Shouldn't have included those incriminating photos of Dennis I guess ;)

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  6. I got this one, BD and have sent confirmation. Based on the types of stuff that get through I doubt it was spam filter. More likely Mr. Magoo filter (my eyes). :-)

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  7. lol, I sent you my number, if you don't get it send me another mail with yours and I'll give you a call, between the blackberry and the email and all that sometimes my stuff doesn't make it.

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  8. Oh my God, is BDHS going to be on NationRadio?

    If so, I've got one word for the listeners with kids - EARMUFFS!

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  9. When Smyth departed, I had the feeling his foot speed had become an issue for the HH line, and that Lowe was discounting accordingly.

    The main reason for him to start with HH is familiarity. I don't see sticking there for long. One H is huffing more than he used to. I still don't see it.

    RNH/Eberle is more intriguing. Smyth's survival advice to RNH: follow my lead, not my body.

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  10. Well if it's actually LT making the traditional blogger pilgrimage to Toronto and I'm not invited to lunch, I'll be pissed.

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  11. Tyler: lol. No, it's a phone interview but since Pat has a schedule similar to Howard Hughes' it's difficult to know what pay phone he's strolling by. :-)

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  12. It is no knock on Smyth but darn rights Taylor Hall is a better offensive option. You are correct his future is now.

    Taylor Hall is a better offensive option then everyone on this team for next season and that includes Ales.

    And dam you sure have to jump through a lot of hoops just to make a friggin post! Not cool.

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  13. Why is Smyth at this point on the list? I thought with each RE post the player with the higher total was next. RYan either needs to be moved or has wrong stats predicted.

    Or they are organized by some other method I am not aware of?

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  14. suntory: Nah, I'm just posting them as I see fit. Although the highest point getters are ahead, there's no real reason to expect one guy or another next.

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  15. I really think he'll do better than 37 points.

    Probably it's because I really really really want him to do better than 37 points.

    Welcome home, Ryan.

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  16. I'll make a bet too... that Smyth gets more minutes at Forward on the PP than Omark. If Penis gets a lot of PP he's playing point.

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  17. Agreed via Omark and PP time. Omark is the player on this team that if he has two games in a row where he misses a check or turns over the puck that leads to a goal he will find himself in the press box.

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  18. The O/U on goals scored off his ass is 17.
    Welcome back, Bug Slug.

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  19. Some of this is typical sarcasm and love/hate stuff, but worth seeing a different (bitter view) on Smyth.

    California blogger cries

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  20. Thanks for posting that link Regwald. Loved that youtube clip. I had not seen that brawl before and it was epic. Love that stuff.

    "You want to get cocky? Let's play some hockey!"

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  21. LT, what did you mean by "Putting Ryan Smyth on the ice should mean an end to all kinds of silly things (Smid's "fight" with Avery last season would be an example) that you see from teams without a personality.

    Would Smid become smarter or feel less of a need to fight Avery because the team had personality? You have me a little lost with that one.

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  22. hoil:

    Smid's getting gooned by Sean Avery at MSG was caused by, among other things, Smid's inability to realise there are players like Avery to start with.

    We hope Smythe back on the team helps to speed up, among other things, the somewhat/clearly retarded career path of one Ladislav Smid.

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  23. Smid's not exactly a rookie anymore, he has been around the NHL for long enough to have learned there are a-holes around. He must have played the Canucks alone over 20 times by now. Not sure Smyth is going to make him any smarter.

    I do like having Smyth around now, mostly so the kids all have another example of how to get things done the greasy way instead of just the pretty way.

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  24. LT - I think I disagree about this being 'his team'. Of course, this is going to be Hall's team (and maybe Eberle's and other young guy's team as well), however, I think that it will be Smyth's Grandteam (like a grandkid). Smyth is grampa...

    My verification word is ASHALLZ... any suggestions?

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  25. Smyth? Wisdom? He strikes me as the lead by actions type, but if he's got this kind of thing in him, we're golden.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBgGaGUnvA0&feature=related

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  26. Mr.Avery ran into a little trouble with the law this morning.

    http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373247

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  27. Bra and Panties is back at it:

    -Oilers offered the same deal as Sharks to White as did a couple of other teams. White made the choice to go to SJS.

    -Oilers are interested in some unnamed FA goalie but want to clear a contract first.

    -Klefbom will miss Jr. Camp due to a scheduling conflict with Farjestad (per NHL.com's Kimmelman)

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  28. TSN also has POS landing in Phoenix on a 2 way.

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  29. If he now manages to retire as an Oiler, what needs to happen in these next few years for Smyth to secure a spot for #94 in the rafters of the new arena?

    Assuming he doesn't end up in the HOF, will anything short of contributing to another Cup run get it done?

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  30. Oilers are interested in some unnamed FA goalie but want to clear a contract first.

    Hang on a second. My understanding of the buy-out windows leads me to beleive that the Oilers cannot buy out anyone else this year. So if the Oilers are actually trying to get rid of a contract... does that not mean they are trying to make a trade?

    Hmmm... If so, I have to beleive that they are shopping... who? Brule's not moving and is likely LTIR-bound. They cannot afford to trade a D-man without getting a contract back (except chorney, but figured he'd have left long ago) and I don't see them moving one of the forwards after cogs left town. So, unless they plan to move Khabbi... I really wonder what the plan is.

    If she didn't have a history of being right, I'd think this is just smoke.

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  31. If they want to move one of their contracts, they can always move a prospect/suspect for a 7th rounder - think Cornet or Kytnar.

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  32. O'Marra, VV... anyone could be available. Who knows.

    She sometimes gets partially correct info too. so the goaler might not be FA.

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  33. I hope you guys don't get the wrong idea and think I check out Bra and Panties on a daily basis...

    ...Hourly might be closer to the truth.

    All in the name of Oiler Hockey of course.

    ;o)

    Kentizat: Kentizat your son Rowbert playing in Europe?

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  34. Hall on Point on PP. Or Omark.

    Smyth 75, 24-25-49

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