There are still some issues with Smid, but the patience shown by the organization is payoff off. Smid will never cover the trade bet made by Kevin Lowe, but that's not his fault. Judged based only on his play on-ice, Ladislav Smid has arrived as an NHL player.
NHL prediction for 11-12: 70, 1-7-8
- Let's get the complaints out of the way first. Well, I think he's making a lot of money for a defensive defender (2.25M times 2).
- And? He needs to be more aware of the dangers before him. He ran into the glass and hurt himself and he also was very slow to react to Sean Avery and it cost him. I don't think being a mean spirited dink is Smid's natural outlook on life, but it would behoove him to know who is on the ice and conduct himself accordingly.
- And? That's pretty much it. Smid is who he is, and can be an effective NHL player. He's proving that with a very poor team, chances are we really appreciate him as the team around him improves.
- Okay, what's good about him? Two seasons of improvement is quite a progression. Smid is in fact one of the top 4 options for the coaching staff at even strength (16:50, 4th behind Whitney, Gilbert and Petry) and on the penalty kill (2:40, 3rd behind Whitney and Gilbert). That role--top 4 minutes at even strength and on the PK--will be his role as an NHL player. That's what he's going to be playing for years, and the results were good. Very good considering the team he was playing on this year.
- Any questions there? I think we need to ask ourselves if a strong team can succeed with him in a top 4 role, because he doesn't move the puck efficiently.
- Yes he does. He skates it out of harm's way all the time. However, it never turns into anything. Remember Tom Poti? He'd skate it out too, but then there was a moment when he slowed things down and looked to make an offensive play. Smid's offensive sorties never turn into anything--it's almost incredible how little he gets done on them. I don't think we can ever count on him to develop a real offensive portion of his game.
- So then he's Peckham with a better DD resume? I actually think Peckham has some offensive tools Smid doesn't possess, like a hard shot. Defensively I think Smid has improved markedly. The back door play is one he's looking for most of the time (that play used to be a killer for him) and Smid's wingspan is a real problem for opponents.
- Will he have a nice run as an effective shutdown defender? I don't know that he'll impact the game enough that we can ever call him a shutdown type, but he does do some nice things. The secondary numbers show impressive growth.
- Like what? Well, his zone start/end is a +2.5% and that's impressive. He played top 4 minutes and against top 4 competition and came out with the 3rd best CorsiRel on the team. That's impressive too.
- Who did he play with? Gilbert.
- Great. Everyone had their best season with Gilbert. Don't worry, the Oilers will trade Gilbert soon. Too soft.
- Of course you're joking. I hope so, but they traded Lubo because Quinn didn't like his creativity. Bad teams make bad decisions, that's why they're bad teams.
- You think Smid and Peckham will be in the top 4D. Neither play right side. Well, maybe Whitney can play right side. In the beginning, I think the Oilers will try Barker with Whitney, so that means Smid gets Gilbert. If Whitney is healthy, that's my guess for opening night.
- Have you decided against trading him? Smid has some good qualities and if the Oilers keep him you'll get no argument from me. I do wish the team had chosen not to trade Lubo, though.
- So you'd trade him? Yes, I think so. If the Oilers could get a more complete defender--by that I mean someone who can move the puck up expertly and not have the play die with them--then yes I would be fine with dealing Smid. The Oilers have toughness in Peckham and Sutton with more crust on the way.
- Have you ever been fond of this player type? You mean the extreme stay-at-home D? Sure. Don Awrey was a favorite of mine, but most defensemen bring at least a little offense. Bob Baun did, Jason Smith too. Most of the guys on the ice when the other team has their best players out there can handle the puck well and have enough creativity to send the forwards away with frequency.
- Nice. Very positive review. Thanks.

Nice review.
ReplyDeleteI think Smid is the best brand of shutdown guys.
Tall, able skater, and his hands are smooth.
Just imagine if his hockey brain would work on offense.
Btw, It's FPB.
ReplyDeleteTwo times I've posted as somewhat related females. Damn.
( I ain't got personality disorder, just know other people who apparently use blogge)
FPB - the crying game version
ReplyDeleteAnother damning by faint praise RE. Mind you, its Smid, so at least its an improvement from simple damning.
I look forward to the rest of the tepid REs for defense and Goal.
Is this where I poop all over the post and talk about getting rid of that albatross Gilbert?
ReplyDeleteWhy do you hate Smid?
ReplyDeleteI think if you've hung onto a guy like this for this long, you might as well keep him. He's starting to get good.
ReplyDelete@Ribs: That's what I used to say about Matt Greene.
ReplyDeleteRibs said I think if you've hung onto a guy like this for this long, you might as well keep him. He's starting to get good.
ReplyDeleteThe two sentences in your post are mutually exclusive. Prospect development resources (time, money, etc) are sunk costs. The fact that the Oil have hung onto someone and dumped resources into him is not a justification for keeping him around (read: JF Jacques). The fact that he is starting to get good is a far better reason to attempt to maximize his value, whether by playing him or by moving him.
As for the value of Smid's contract, it seems a little inflated, but if you consider it in the context of Nik Hjalmarsson's $3.5M, it makes more sense. Both played 2nd pairing mins, near identical p/60, and Smid actually had a better relCorsi (mind you, a solid relCorsi relative to Vandermeer/Strudwick is easier to achieve than relative to Keith/Seabrook). I think they may be comparable players, granted Hjalmarsson has proven a bit more offensively.
Bruce:
ReplyDeleteI get what you're saying, but if the Oilers could trade Smid and Belanger for Yandle, should they pass on that opportunity?
Average cap hit for a team's 4th highest paid defender (assumed to be the #4D on the roster): 2.33M
ReplyDeleteAverage cap hit for a team's 5th highest paid defender (assumed to be the #5D on the roster): 1.49M
Smid's cap hit: 2.25M
Smid is paid like a #4D, but he's only a #4D on a poor team. On a good team, as Lowetide alludes to, he's a weak #4D due to poor offensive awareness and I believe he's more of a #4-5 Tweener.
I agree that he's overpaid, but not by much. If he's a 4-5 Tweener, his salary should be in the 1.9 - 2.0 range. However he gets a slight boost because on THIS team he's basically the #3D, plus he'll certainly play a top 4 role for both years of his contract. Of all the contracts Oilers fans can complain about, I'm not sure Smid is the one to worry about.
Speeds: Yeah exept Belanger wasn't resigned by Phoenix.
ReplyDeleteThe two sentences in your post are mutually exclusive.
ReplyDeleteOh believe me, I know. The Oilers seem to enjoy playing these types of players through their growing pains and then they trade them once they're beginning to be useful (see Matt Greene). It's best to trade for or sign these guys without the hassle.
Smid has been progressing and I've always liked him a lot more than Matt Greene. He should be pretty useful in the next few years.
I'm just using him as a Stoll comparable, I realize he does not fit perfectly but he's probably the closest on this current Oilers roster.
ReplyDelete[i]Bad teams make bad decisions, that's why they're bad teams.[/i]
ReplyDeleteThis axiom reminded me that the club and fans are in a fragile state of optimism that largely rests on the core youth taking steps forward.
I was speaking with investor yesterday about penny stocks. One of his recommendations was that I set a price point prior to purchasing the stock: a price at which I sell if it starts to go sideways.
If the kids start to falter and the rebuild starts to go sideways, is it the wrong decision to move some youth? How much patience is too much? What's the price point on a guy like Eberle or Omark? Or dare I say, Hall?
stupid html italics.
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Wheat, keep in mind a lot of those contracts were signed under a lower cap. Market value when those contracts were signed =/= market value today. The average player, if you were to distribute every dollar evenly, would get about 4.35% of the cap, or 2.8 million. Ladislav Smid receives 3.5% of the cap. If you consider a number 4 defender to be the very definition of a middle of the road player, Ladislav Smid would actually be a value contract. If he's a number #5 that you move into your second pairing when injury strikes, that's probably still a bit of a savings.
ReplyDeleteAlso, playing a role on a bad team does not necessarily mean that you can't do it on a better team. If you want to pick apart a player's game because you think he doesn't have the goods, fine, but it's a lazy argument to just suggest that being a part of a last place automatically means you can't do what you actually do on said team.
Between this one yesterday:
ReplyDeleteIf wishes were horses then beggars would ride
and this one today:
Bad teams make bad decisions, that's why they're bad teams
LT is on fire. Let me try...
Well, if the good Lord's willing and the creek don't rise, maybe Laddy and Theo turn into legit ES and PK options. Of course, it's just as likely that their 'development' causes us to endure another season rougher than a two- goat cart.
[i]Not how you use italics[/i]
ReplyDeleteGlad to see you are trying though - now if only DSF can get on board with it, some of us might actually know when he is commenting and when he is quoting
I say the Oilers should keep Smid unless they trade him.
Any time an upgrade can be made at a position, it should be made, right?
ReplyDeleteSmid isn't bad, isn't great and doesn't have a high ceiling.
If a comparable defensive option comes along who can make a breakout out pass that puts a forward in a good position, you take it.
I say the Oilers should keep Smid unless they trade him.
ReplyDeleteI think your thoughts on this are a little backwards.They should definately trade him unless they decide to keep him.
Smid wants to play in Edmonton.
ReplyDeleteSmid should Never have told Sean Avery to keep the noise down at his house party!
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