The Oilers goaltending is in a dreadful state of affairs and it is a ridiculous place to be at this time. Entering the summer, the Oilers had needs in several areas, but goaltending should have been front and center.
This alignment doesn't give Dubnyk the mentor who can step in for a couple of weeks and also doesn't supply the coach with any options should the young man struggle and the veteran prove unable to hold the fort. Tom Renney doesn't have a lot of moves on this chessboard.
Clearly management decided it was best to stay the course. THAT decision is beyond curious. There's a point at which the idea of a comeback season from an aged veteran holds little or no value even if it happens.
The Oilers entering training camp with Nikolai Khabibulin as their starter is about like the Cleveland Indians trading for Boog Powell in 1975. Even if it works out (and it did) so what?
NHL prediction for 11-12: 40, 2.90 .917
- So he's the starter? I think he'll start the season in a backup role, but Dubnyk will eventually win the day. The bigger question, and the one we'll have to wait an entire year to answer, is "who will be Dubnyk's partner?" and that's a much more interesting question.
- Who should it be? I'd take a chance on Bob in Philly. After that, I think the Oilers may end up doing business with Vancouver or Los Angeles.
- So the numbers: about the same as last season? Yes, but even if Dubnyk can repeat last year I think that's progress. Dubnyk is a bit of a special case in that the next good team he plays for might be the first one. I don't think this team is going to be good; posting a .917 SP in front of this bunch is a fine season for a young goalie.
- But do you think it's progress? The more he can establish himself in the NHL the less coach Renney will worry over him. I don't think an NHL coach gets up in the morning and says "wish I had an unproven rookie in goal" so it takes time to earn trust.
- What's the best thing you can say about him? He finished 4th in rookie SP (.916) in a pretty strong year for goaltenders. Vancouver's Schneider was well ahead of the field, but Dubnyk was in a group with James Reimer, Corey Crawford and a few others. It was pretty good company and Dubnyk was playing on a much worse team. He also had an impressive start to the season as a backup, showing he can perform in that role if required.
- So, progress isn't in a straight line? Goalies can sometimes sway in one direction from year to year, but Dubnyk has been fairly consistent in the last few years. .904, .906, .915 and .916 with subpar teams over the last several seasons. This last season--his best SP--was at the highest level on a poor team.
- He lets in bad goals. Yes, but remember he's not a finished product and there's room to get better. And without being a dink, NK let in some outrageous goals last season.
- Why is he so raw? Dubnyk is a big goalie even by today's standards. He's 6.06, 200 pounds and although he plays shooters well he's also prone to lose the angle or commit too soon. This happens to all younger goaltenders and DD should give up fewer of those types of goals as he matures and his feet get calmer.
- This big man thing. Any comparables? Well, I can say that very few goaltenders emerge from junior and step in with the ability to be better than NHL average. John Davidson did, Dryden did too but he was 23. It's a tough gig, and for big men catching up with the speed, pinpoint passing and slick dekes is like trying to catch the wind.
- Does Renney believe in him? I don't know that coach Renney has a choice. Earlier this summer, he had this to say about Khabibulin's ability to come in and play well: "He better. No one knows that better than Khabbi does. My exit interview with him was very poignant. He knows what is in front of him and should he not be able to seize that then the dynamic changes and he's well aware of that."
- So you're thinking Dubnyk starts at some point? Yes.
- When? November. By then the playoffs will be a distant bell.
- Why are the Oilers so stubborn on Khabibulin? Lots of reasons, I'd guess. The owner paid Souray in full and then bought him out, and I can't imagine Steve Tambellini wants the same outcome for someone he hired.
- Why would it matter? Steve Tambellini (each and every time he was hired) was brought in to avoid Souray-level errors. That's why Nikolai Khabibulin is still here. The Oilers are creating their own reality for 11-12. Nikolai Khabibulin will be the starter because the Oilers said so.
- Anything else? I imagine the Oilers want this team to be a smoking unit when they hit that new arena, 30 games of an aged veteran might serve as an effective denver boot.
- Isn't that illegal? Ask the Pittsburgh Penguins about how many fines they paid while punting entire seasons.
- How much will NK play? Stay tuned.
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ReplyDeleteI think it is simple asset management keeping Khabi up with the team and on the roster. They are probably hoping that he can regain some sort of form and then be able to unload him to a team looking for a veteran goalie at the deadline.
ReplyDeleteI see it like this:
If they buyout Khabi Katz is out of pocket $5M in real dollars.
If they play Khabi and manage to trade him at the deadline (managing to take back only a pick) Katz is out $2.8M in real dollars.
If they play him this year and he is just as terrible, they buy him out next year and Katz is out $6.25M in real dollars.
Its basically a gamble to save $2.2M in real dollars and gain a pick for the franchise (assuming all goes as planned) vs. spending an extra $1.25M by not buying him out this off-season and seeing if he can recover.
Plus if Khabi is terrible again this year you have the added value of improving our draft selection again next year.
Of course this is all from a purely financial viewpoint, whether or not that decision makes hockey sense is a totally different question.
"I imagine the Oilers want this team to be a smoking unit when they hit that new arena, 30 games of an aged veteran might serve as an effective denver boot."
ReplyDeleteIf I have to rationalize management behavior this is best possible explanation for giving NK any games this year. Certaintly not what I would do but at least there is a whiff of reason there. Sort of what Lombardi did with Cloutier in L.A.
Given the state of affairs with the defense, those are nice numbers.
ReplyDeleteAnother year where all the pressure will be with DD staying healthy and continuing to progress into a solid starter.
Why he doesn't have a complimentary starter to work with is absolutely ridiculous.
Also, I'd be happy with .910 or better from DD if his games played go up. He is a young goalie so getting these results over time, with a heavier schedule, and with a young and error-prone team in front of him would be a great sign.
ReplyDeleteThis last season--his best SP--was at the highest level on a poor team.
ReplyDeleteWhich is why I think he will come in lower than a .917.
If the Oilers bought out Bulin, as you seem to be advocating, then his salary would be spread over 4 years. The latter two years would presumably impact on the cap in years where the team needs to start worrying about it.
They can play him this year and farm him next year and they are done.
If Bulin is lousy his games will likely drop to around 30. If so, the difference between him and someone "good" will add up to maybe 5 or 6 wins. This team isn't good enough to make that a concern.
I don't know about doing business with Vancouver or LA. They've got the guys we should be interested in to be sure, but they're not going to give them away and I don't know if the prices will be ones we're willing to pay.
ReplyDeleteAny guesses on what the Schneider and Bernier (or Quick?) price tags will be?
I'd think the LAK price would be a draft pick of some sort. Kings don't have a lot of need for their major league roster.
ReplyDeleteFor Van, maybe something they might want at the deadline? I still think this team could get a lot for whichever skill winger they decide to offload.
If the Oilers bought out Bulin, as you seem to be advocating, then his salary would be spread over 4 years.
ReplyDeleteNo
Cap hit stays the same whether he's on the roster, dead or bought out.
Two years, $3.75 per
But, the Oilers do save 1/3 of the Dollahs.
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Skoreyko,
ReplyDeletethis assumes ST (v4.0, Toonces, the Tambinator) thinks as deeply about his roster to include future salary implications. I'm with LT. I believe he only considers 'how it looks' when he makes decisions on things he is responsible for. For example - signing former first round draft picks who have manifestly proven they won't live up to draft billing.
The Khabi thing will hang like a millstone around the organisation until the contract ends or ST is released
I don't believe that David LeNeveu is Oilers' property, is he?
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ReplyDeleteIm pretty sure hes only an AHL signing. Like Colin McDonald last year
David LeNeveu is on an AHL contract which I believe means he can easily be swapped to the ECHL if Roy deserves a promotion OR if Khabibulin joins the farm team to make room for a free agent.
ReplyDeleteSigning him basically gives the Oilers flexibility to see how Khabi 'rebounds' and how Roy progresses.
LT:
ReplyDeleteIf it does happen, Dubnyk will the be the most unsuccesful ''good goalie'' of the decade.
Being the record holder for the most GAA with ,917 + SV% by 0,14 GAA.
The record being held by Tim Thomas.
Simply put: For this to happen, the Oilers must average 37 shots against per game.
Which is 4 more than the worst last year.
Seems a bit pessimistic.
Have to say I'm bulish on DD. Guy should have started 10 more games last year. Love his calm demenour
ReplyDeleteNK... I don't know. What if they just played them as a tandem. Maybe NK would hold up better and post better numbers? Absolutely no reason to play NK on back to backs or more than twice a week.
I Think Rollie proved that once you think you have the skaters in place that can win hockey games you can airlift a goaler in.
Yes they have issues in goal, but I'd rather they address the abortion on the blue first.
Skoreyko,
ReplyDeletethis assumes ST (v4.0, Toonces, the Tambinator) thinks as deeply about his roster to include future salary implications. I'm with LT. I believe he only considers 'how it looks' when he makes decisions on things he is responsible for. For example - signing former first round draft picks who have manifestly proven they won't live up to draft billing.
The Khabi thing will hang like a millstone around the organisation until the contract ends or ST is released
You are probably right, however a guy can always dream right?
With each year that goes by with Khabi it turns the heat up a little further on ST I would think.
That signing made no sense back when he thought we were actually going to make the playoffs, it makes even less sense now that we are a last place team.
Fool me once?
The other thing is, 40 starts feels like both a lot and far too few. I know that Danis is resident Khabi-breakdown-back-up plan, but otherwise, if the ole Russian holds together for a complete season, it is hard to think he will get 40 games.
ReplyDeleteOTOH, the idea of giving a raw-rookie 'tender helm for half the season feels like way too much. It is hard to believe any organisation not named the Flyers would be so reckless with their goalie position.
OTOH, the idea of giving a raw-rookie 'tender helm for half the season feels like way too much. It is hard to believe any organisation not named the Flyers would be so reckless with their goalie position.
ReplyDeleteReally? What about a defending Cup champ and another finalist in the last 2 years alone.
09/10: Jimmy Howard started 63 games for Detroit (9 career NHL GP, Age 25)
10/11: Corey Crawford started 57 games for Chicago (8 career NHL GP, Age 24)
Dubnyk has 54 career NHL GP and he's 25. If he puts up similar numbers to last season as LT reasonably expects he will, why shouldn't he start 50+ games?
DD might not be a proven NHL #1 goalie yet, but he's not a prospect anymore either. No need to treat him with kid gloves anymore.
Firstly, I can't see Lombardi ever trading with us again, so the LA goalies are out. Secondly, VAN is very doubtful to trade Schneider within the division, Can't see it happening. If Emery doesn't find a spot at camp though, he's a possibility.
ReplyDeleteKhabi was the price of back to back 1st overall picks without getting a letter of reprimand from Bettman for embarrassing the NHL by not fielding a competitive team. We didn't field a competitive team, but we did throw megabucks at former glory which makes our on ice failure look like bad management (good optics) instead of good management (bad optics).
ReplyDeleteThe deep agenda is to sell hope in weak markets. Rules are tweaked so that established, well managed teams can't stockpile talent (for very long), and so that marquee talent is more likely than not to end up in a non-performing franchise. Also, the rules change in the playoffs so that a team build to succeed in the regular season won't necessarily dominate in the post season, thus granting a lunch-box Cinderella seed a credible chance to go deep.
These tweaks aren't rigging the deal, exactly, but they do fly in the face of the fan expectation that hockey is about competition and talent (at all levels of the organization). If these tweaks become too blatantly obvious, it compromises the whole business of selling hope.
With the dollars they were throwing around to land other high profile players (and we are mostly lucky none of those deals panned out) clearly Katz's promotional strategy was not dollar constrained.
Having paid a lot for a credible vet who was struggling in net, they went to a lot of trouble to keep him in there, despite a better option on the bench.
Real soon now, Bettman will be wanting a hot first overall pick to land on a team not yet located in Winnipeg. I'm not sure we can get away with three times lucky in head office no matter how much money we pour into the cover story.
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ReplyDelete"And the Edmonton Oilers are proud to choose, with their first round pick...Jesse Ninniimaki".
ReplyDeleteSo who can blame anyone for distrusting RNH's potential for becoming a goal scoring flop.
Those of you who understand high mathematics should not have any trouble with this, lol.
Oh, and Dubnyk's spent his entire career since juniors playing for nothing but terrible, terrible hockey teams. No wonder he's popular around here.
Really enjoying the "RE" series LT!
ReplyDeleteThe aversion to buyout Khabi has to be twofold.
ReplyDeleteThey did a buyout of Souray, and Khabi's buyout is double the years and cost.
Which means there's limits as to how much cash Katz is willing to eat per season.
Also, he's needed as a backup.
Dubnyk deserves the chance to have the majority of the playing time so he can either take the last step in his development or prove via NHL competition that he's not a solution for the future.
Personally, I think he can handle it. There will be some bumps in the road, but Devan will surprise us this year.
Dubnyk needs to get in better shape.
ReplyDeleteHis 2nd game of consecutive starts were much poorer than his 1st.
Word is that he was told he wasn't in professional athlete shape and he should work harder before next TC.