Thursday, July 21, 2011

RE 11-12: Chris VandeVelde

This is Chris VandeVelde. I think there's a window of opportunity for him to establish himself as a useful NHL player. He'll need to have a strong training camp and get some breaks (RNH being sent down after 9 games, Brule's continuing issues, the organization probably wanting Lander to play an entire season in the AHL) but there's a chance.

VandeVelde's NHL audition was the best part of his 10-11 season, complete with a solid performance in the dot (52.8% in 159 sorties) and a solid zone start/finish (+5 %).

Oklahoma coach Todd Nelson tells the story about VandeVelde's season with the Barons: "His adjustment was learning the pro game. Up until Christmas, he was okay for us. But after Christmas he took it upon himself to play well in his D zone. Along with that, with the more responsibility he got, he began to improve offensively. He's been good for us, he's been excellent in the faceoff circle. He's 1-2 every night, it's either him or O'Marra."

When he got to the NHL, coach Renney put him in a position to succeed. The soft parade, linemates he knew from the minors (played mostly with Giroux and Hartikainen) and it wasn't like the games were life and death. That's not a bad way to introduce yourself.

Tom Renney: “He’s very reliable. To a point, you expect what he delivers and he does. He’s a little bit predictable in that way, which is a good thing. I’m just tying to give him an opportunity to play in a number of different circumstances and he’s done well.”

There's a window.
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OKC Prediction for 11-12: 60gp, 12-12-24 (.400)
NHL Prediction for 11-12: 14gp, 1-1-2 (.143)

  1. Do you really think he'll play ahead of RNH and Lander? No, I think there's a chance he'll be the default position. RNH is sure to get his 9 games and that could shut off the valve, and Lander could make the point moot with a strong training camp and then a solid rookie season.
  2. Are there other candidates? Sure. O'Marra, Petrell and House are candidates and quite honestly there doesn't seem to be an ounce of differnce in the whole damn crew. Some of these characters will show up during the RE series (I'm doing the OKC callups before getting into the regulars) but VandeVelde has a little head start with the coach and that might be enough.
  3. What does he offer? Well, he has size and brings a physical presence, plus his skill set makes him a candidate for the PK (and there's the faceoffs--although in a very small sample).
  4. What is his weakness? Offense. He scored 12 goals last season, 16 points in 67 AHL games at the age of 23. That's not good. The AHL doesn't release TOI totals (can you imagine the chaos?) so we don't know exactly what circumstances he played under, but it doesn't look good. There are examples of college kids taking steps forward in year two pro (Brad Winchester, Fernando Pisani) so he's certainly worth following. However, there's every chance he won't hit above the Mendoza line.
  5. Brad Winchester? Big whoop! Now hold on. If VandeVelde can prove himself useful the Oilers might be able to deal him for help elsewhere or he can help provide the depth this club never seems to enjoy from their AHL team. VandeVelde and Winchester aren't similar player types, but both had some useful skills and NHL teams find room for players who can do things like penalty kill and win faceoffs consistently.
  6. Do you think he'll make it to 200 NHL games? Probably not, the offense isn't really there and he's not a young prospect. However, it isn't like VandeVelde has gone off the rails as a prospect since being drafted by the Oilers. His NHLE's in college maxed out at 13-20-33 when he was the #1 C at UND. I think he's probably a long shot to play 200 NHL games but there is that window of opportunity beginning this fall. He has a chance.
  7. He was -17 for the Barons. Are you sure he's any good? VV had a weird year. After 4 regular season games in OKC he was -7, he was -9 after 10 games. Slow adjustment, but as coach Nelson said he improved as the season wore on.
  8. Where does he rank on the C depth chart? Gagner, RNH for the skill minutes, Horcoff and Belanger for the tough minutes. After that, Brule is in the mix and Lander trumps everyone when the organization says so; that's 5 or 6. He would be hard pressed to make the big club out of camp (barring injury) but when they make the RNH decision he's a candidate. Plus, VV can spend time in the pressbox if needed (it's not like he's 18) and he can play the wing too. 
  9. Seriously, you think he's an NHL player? Every team needs role players. VandeVelde can win faceoffs, provides a big body and should have little trouble ajusting to the role available (4-5C, PK, good citizen). Call it the Colin Fraser role; sure there are 20 guys in the AHL who could fill it at any given time but that's always been true. VandeVelde has played a season with several guys who will eventually be a big part of the Oilers franchise.
  10. He seems an unlikely NHLer. Well I'm not saying he's Gretzky, but NHL teams need role players and VandeVelde is a player they've invested in. Take the Oilers first ever farm team during their NHL time, the 1979-80 Houston Apollos. Sure that team produced Charlie Huddy and he played a long time in the NHL, but it also featured kids like Tom Roulston who found a way to make it to the NHL. That's the kind of player we might be looking at, a guy who finds a role and fills it.
  11. Seems like a long shot. You know it's weird, though. Remember 2000 fall, when an entire line (the Bulldog line) made it to the NHL when MacT was a rookie coach? Brian Swanson between Michel Riesen and Daniel Cleary. They didn't last a dozen games and Riesen washed out right away, but Swanson had a bit of a run and Cleary established himself as an NHL player (although the struggles weren't over).
  12. How long before he covers the bet? VV was selected 97th overall in 2005 and has played a dozen NHL games. 55% of the kids drafted never play an NHL games, 24% play less than 200 NHL games. At some level he's already covered the bet, as he was taken outside the first two rounds. But I think there's a chance he ends up with a more significant total and becomes a clear draft win.

32 comments:

  1. VV is your new Poo.

    When Lander eats his lunch, I'll expect that you'll hate Lander even more.

    Also,

    Translated Swedish interview of Omark

    Money quote:


    "I was not at all pleased with being sent to the AHL. I felt I had a great camp and played exactly how I should. It was tough to re-group when I had been cut. I was just angry on the ice, with both referees and opponents. But in hindsight I am really glad they sent me down. I learnt a lot from it. It was going better and better in the AHL and then I got the chance in the NHL."


    Good news that he's mature enough to know he needed to go to OKC in hindsight. That's good news.

    Don't trade this guy.

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  2. Actually, me "new Poo" is the next guy up. :-)

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  3. Actually, me "new Poo" is the next guy up. :-)

    Hmmmmm.

    Promising young forward getting derailed by an injury?

    Pitlick?

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  4. VandeVelde could be another David Steckel-type 4th line C who could fill in on a 3rd line in a pinch, win faceoffs and kill penalties. On one hand, that's exactly what this team could use this year. On the other hand, he's got to pass a lot of guys on the depth chart to fill it, and I don't know if he's the type of player who's going to win a job in camp.

    I think he'll play this year, but I have no doubt he'll start in the AHL (injuries aside).

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  5. I like stories like VV and I hope a 30th place team doesn't have their roster set in July. He should be given every chance to secure a spot on opening night. Lander probably needs at least a 1/2 season in OKC to figure out a few things that are different than the European game.

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  6. Lowetide where do you get all those questions from? At first glance it's like you're two different people.

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  7. lol. Thank God my wife rarely reads the blog. The questions are either things I wonder about or things that have been questioned by others (either here or on the various Oiler blogs).

    It's basically a Bill James item, he used to ask questions and answer them in his writing. Actually, he was very creative, used to call it "Rain Delay" and then talk about Bill Buckner's HOF qualifications.

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  8. VV always seems to get off to slow starts.

    He won't score enough or fight enough to get a regular job so will be a depth player. He won't likely get nabbed on waivers.

    He will be one of the main injury replacements and likely the first called up at C. When you have Horcoff as one of your starting C's, thats a valuble thing.

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  9. I've had VV written off for a while now but his appearance in the bigs made me wonder. He has zero offence to speak of but he really looked like he had clue of what he was doing in his own end. He worked hard on and after the draws to get the puck, he got right on puck carriers, and he's big and fast enough to finish his checks properly. He overcommitted on some plays but I think it was some rough edges that could be sanded off. Interesting development.

    I'd like to see him start in the AHL and be called up once the Oilers realise they traded away the guys they had trained to kill penalties last year.

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  10. The Anti Andrew Cogliano.

    Can't skate, good size but CAN win a draw.
    Realize he is a longshot favorite of some here. He had a shitty year in the AHL and a mediocre (albeit better than in the AHL) handfull of games in the show.

    Expect with passage of time he will be the place where the play goes to die. Mate him up with Ryan Jones and they may throw up HOF bad Corsi numbers

    LT: slightly disappointed, thought you might have selected CVV to replace Poo as well.

    Me, I am still waiting for Ellis Valentine to develop into a HOF'er. May be a titch late for that to happen

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  11. Rangers and Dubinsky come to terms. 4 years, 16.8 million dollars, as per TSN.

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  12. It's an outstanding technique to use, Lowetide.

    The little demon that sits on my shoulder tells me you're the front runner in the Katz-invites-someone-up-to-the-mansion-for-lunch sweepstakes, just as soon as he finally sees the light and then sets up the running of a proper Oilers media corporation, which offers many possibilities for communicating the Oiler's message.

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  13. TOJ: Ellis Valentine. Man I thought he'd be a great one. Had the most violent swing, just a vicious hitter. Once hit a HR off a pitch that looked like a beanball just before he parked it.

    As for VandeVelde, I like him but let's face it the Oilers have better options climbing out of every crack in Rexall. If this were 2000? Different story.

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  14. "Great player, certainly has had a good career. But from our standpoint and the depth that we have right now I'm not sure there's room," Kevin Cheveldayoff said after speaking to Hnidy. "If certain things presented themselves he's someone we could take a look at, but right now we're probably not focusing on that slot and that position."

    Possible Translation: We'll take a look at him if we end up dealing Bogo.

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  15. Cap hit of 4.2M, wow. I don't know all that much about Dubinsky except for some cursory numbers others have posted. Is he worth that?

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  16. Dubinski's a big hit with the fans, and he's really good too.

    How much did Cogs just sign for?

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  17. I think Dubinsky is a great value at that cap hit. He brings a lot at even strength. He had a sustainable PDO of 986, 48.5% offensive zone start with a 51.3% offensive zone finish, and a positive corsi. This while playing the toughs with the dregs. I think he's really shown this year that he is an even strength difference maker. Although, I think he played a lot with Callahan, which might cause some conflation of results. But otherwise I think he's a fantastic player who is worth a 4.2 cap hit.

    In terms value in Oilers criteria, he's also big and fights.

    It's a shame NYR was able to re-sign him, really.

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  18. Dubinsky's a heck of a player and he's getting better. The deal isn't so bad.

    You could have Dustin Penner for nearly the same money...

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  19. Am I the only one that still kind of confused by how the Oilers handled Riesen? I mean, I'll be the first to grant that I have no inside information on Riesen, so it could well be that there were reasons for their handling of Riesen.

    The guy came over to the AHL at 19, and didn't have a great season. His 20 year old season was pretty good. He then got 12 games as a 21 year old, 1 assist, +2, probably around 10 minutes a game, never to be seen again in the NHL.

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  20. Valentine never met a pitch he didn't like, could be two feet outside and a foot off the ground and he'd hack away. Would have a fighting chance of drilling it somewhere too.

    He also had an absolute bzooka of a throwing arm, took my breath away a few times. Had some commentators of the day comparing him to Roberto Clemente for the power of his throws from right field.

    Maybe it's the Expos connection, but to me the modern Valentine is Vlad Guerrero. Did a much better job harbouring his talent and keeping his career on the rails, but the two have/had some interesting similarities.

    LT, did you hear that Wes Covington passed away earlier this month?

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  21. speeds: Dean Belanger and I get together a couple of times a year and we always talk about Riesen. He certainly posted good numbers in Hamilton that one season, makes the team for a dozen games.

    Right there you'd think there must be a career there, and St. Louis thought so too (they traded for him after all).

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  22. Bruce: I hadn't heard until you mentioned it. Sad day.

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  23. Well, there are guys like Betts and Johnson on NHL rosters so it proves you don't need to put up points if you can keep puck out of your own net.

    If Vandevelde can PK, provide solid D, and win faceoffs, that is all you can ask for out of a 4th line center. It may be the best type of 4th line center actually because without the offence, a guy will never be able to ask for much more then the minimum salary.

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  24. BS: Yeah but even Betts scored in the AHL.


    I don't know why Vandevelde is even considered a prospect. Certainly one of the worst to be called that.

    He's 24, he sucked in the AHL, and then he sucked in the NHL.

    He didn't accomplish what we'd expect of him in the NHL to be useful in the AHL.

    I think O'Marra's miles ahead.

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  25. I think that's what this year is going to be all about: who plays C this season on the 4line. Imo several are going to get a chance over 9-16 games to show what they've got.

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  26. LT, since you haven't heard about Covington's passing you should check out the Edmonton Sun archives and look for a couple of articles from Scott Haskins and Dave Cameron about Covington. It gives you a peak into the personality of the man and shows how he was loved by those who knew him.

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  27. Sorry to thread drift but given the love for Khabibulin, what are we to make of Ray Emery?

    He got blown up by the vaunted Nashville offense in the playoffs but in the lead-up to them he went a very respectable 7-2 with a 2.28 GAA and a SV% of .926.

    Not bad. The issues with him have been attitudinal and health. There was little indication - that I heard or read - that both were still issues now, but he still has that reputation.

    At 28yrs he is not old for a goalie and his 6'2" frame fills a net well. Certainly a phone call to his agent might make some sense for Tambo, non?

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  28. Haskins on Covington

    Looked for the Dave Cameron article, but couldn't find it online.

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  29. It's out of his hands because Lander or Hopkins can easily eat his lunch but if he gets a chance than all he has to do is win draws and kill penalties.

    if renney's interested in matching lines then he'll only face the other 4th line in the old Gentleman's Agreement and he should be alright.

    I'm thinking the Oilers were decent to good over the last 40 games of PKing and they've pretty much stripped out that unit with the departures of 13-16-85,

    someone on this club's gonna have to kill penalties and it looks like the old Wings thing where those guys will come from the bottom two lines,

    that and the dearth of guys who can actually win draws are the cards that VV can play

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  30. kim said ' I would interested in your comments of a comparision with former Oiler Brodziak' Thanks

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  31. Would be interested in you comparing him to Brodziak, in the long run

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