Friday, July 1, 2011

Free Agency 2011


Some late morning signings to begin the day, this is lifted from Bob McKenzie's twitter:
  • VAN: Sami Salo, 2M times 1.
  • MIN: Josh Harding 750k times 1.
  • DET: Patrick Eaves, 1.2M times 3.
  • CBS: James Wisniewski, 5.5M times 6. 
  • VAN: Chris Higgins, 1.9M times 2.
  • PIT: Tyler Kennedy, 2M times 2.
  • NJD: Andy Greene, 4 years.

TWEET FROM MCKENZIE 9:08AM: Jan Hejda is going to the open market and is drawing significant interest***


I have to wash the car, buy beer, fill the propane tanks and find a clean shirt, but will update as able.

168 comments:

  1. Lordy, that Salo signing makes me relieved we got Smid at $5 million over 2 years. sarcasm alert...

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  2. Oh yeah, Matheson quoted smid as saying "I was surprised I got so much" and something about him being surprised at how quick the deal was done. Too bad I don't anticipate any news today for the Oilers...

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  3. There could be plenty of news. "Souray buyout denied--he's hurt!" or "Penner trade revoked--he's missing a leg!"

    Lots of news could come out today.

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  4. Wiz gets 6 yr $33M deal - that's gonna hurt them at some point in Columbus.

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  5. Jay: A lack of news might be a good thing today. I'm kind of afraid at what they might find at the end of their hook.

    Howson is going "all in" with a pair of 2s.

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  6. Oh yeah, there could be news... sorry. Just not good news about us signing an actual NHL player, I meant. :p

    What's going to happen with Teddy Peckman? I wonder how the Smid signing impacts his QO? Peckham's counting numbers look far better than Smid's. I have no idea how the RFA process works, can Peckman get awarded $3 million per for four years by an arbitrator based on Smid's contract, lol?

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  7. I wonder what Peckham thought of Smid's contract? Did dollar signs light up his eyes?

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  8. Peckhsam is farther from free agency (Oilers bough one ufa year from Smid if I'm reading it correctly) and he hasn't passed Smid on the depth chart imo.

    Plus there's almost 2 years age difference and lots of gap in pro experience. i don't think Peckman can take much from Laddy's windfall.

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  9. I remember reading a column in the Journal after Souray signed. He had been looking for at least $10 to $11M over 3 years from the Habs but they were thinking less money over a shorter term. The phone rings at his agents office and Klowe offers him something like $22.5 over 5 years right out of the blue. (Numbers might not be exact) The agent calls Souray and asks him what he thinks. Souray says to call back and accept the deal before they change their mind!! Fast forward 4 years to the office of Smid's agent... Some things never change and stupid people don't get smarter.

    Happy Canada Day!

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  10. “They made an offer on Monday and we had it done on Wednesday. I was kind of surprised (at the speed of negotiations),” said Smid. “I didn’t expect this much.”

    Weak job negotiating Tambo.

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  11. Clarkenstein: lol. Maybe we can have the phones disconnected?

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  12. Too many dollars chasing to few real NHL players.

    This will make next year's CBA talks pretty interesting.

    Have to admit I was hoping we might find a way to bring back Hedja, but will be relieved if we can just come out of this realizing there's no reason to bring back Struds as anything other than a coach.

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  13. hope tambo sends a few deals to the lesser ufa's who may not get interest thjis early. Maybe a gy like Belanger who sees a 2 yr $1.5 mill per from the Oil jumps at it in fear of being left without a dance partner by August. Same thing with Fiddler. 2 yrs $1.5 mill per solidifies our 3rd/4th line centre position, brings some experience and allows us to take our time on kids.

    As for Hejda, with the lack of quality dmen out there I expect someone will give him $3 mill per season over 3 yrs, and I think the Oil would not go there for that money.

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  14. regarding Peckham... the club hasn't filed for arbitration, right? Even if they had, I don't believe an arbitrator would give out a four year deal. IIRC, two years deals are rare.

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  15. Stauffer said he talked to some players who wouldn't be surprised to see Edmonton born Vernon Fiddler get $2.5MM/year.

    Big raise if he gets it.

    Stauffer indicated that kind of money would take the Oilers out of the Fiddler sweepstakes.

    Why?

    Isn't having a BatKatz supposed to help in these situations?

    This is a player the Oilers *know* would be a perfect fit as a transitional player.

    If he's willing to sign a 2 year deal, shouldn't v3.1 just get it done? They paid $5M for Souray to play in Hershey last year, surely they can pay Edmonton Prodigal Son Vernon Fiddler the same to mentor some young centers?

    Why would a matter of $500K or so more than they want to pay put the Oilers out of the running when they spent that on Alexandre Giroux to play in OKC?

    There is a disconnect between the actions and words.

    I guess all we can do is wait...

    Does anyone know if there is a patron saint of Edmonton so I know who to pray to when I light a candle in an Edmonton Cathedral hoping for Edmonton born Vernon Fiddler to play in Edmonton?

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  16. As long as the deal comes off the books before Hall, etc are eligible for new contracts then the dollar amount isn't as big a deal. jmo.

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  17. The problem with getting Fiddler signed is NOT money for the Oilers. It is duration.

    He will be getting three or more years.

    Ditto for Hejda.

    He will be getting three or more years.

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  18. Agree with your comments LT. A little overpayment for a 2 year deal before Hall, Eberle and Paajarvi coming off entry level deals is not bad for someone who fills a gaping hole at center.

    And by that point, Lander should be ready to take over.

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  19. He will be getting three or more years.

    If someone offers Edmonton Native Son Vernon Fiddler $2.0MM x 3 years, and Edmonton offers $3.0MM x 2 years, which do you think he takes?

    Edmonton can get him if they want him.

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  20. If someone offers Edmonton Native Son Vernon Fiddler $2.0MM x 3 years, and Edmonton offers $3.0MM x 2 years, which do you think he takes?

    Edmonton can get him if they want him.


    Does Edmonton-born Vernon Fiddler want to play for a rebuilding team or a potential Stanley Cup Champion? Because that's may be the difference in those two potential offers to one of Edmonton's favorites sons.

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  21. What a craptacular batch of FAs.

    I'd like Ian White, Hedja, Fiddler. But with thing so thin, they'll have to pay a boatload to bring them in.

    It may be a blessing in disguise as it pumps up Cogliano/Gilberts trade vale.

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  22. The Oilers should hope the Rangers get Richards.

    It might shake a centre loose there (Richards, Dubinsky, Stepan, Anisimov, Avery, Boyle)

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  23. so the Oil have two ways to go in regards to ufa deals.

    1. Overpay for 2 yrs
    2. go for length of contract

    both can attract UFA's. The older guys may go for more money in shorter term since injury and buyout's limit their long term earning potential. Term is more important to younger players, so maybe a fiddler goes for 4+ yrs (not in the cards as an oiler).

    So if those are the options, then early to mid 30's mid level ufa's on 2 yr overpays become the goal.

    1. Belanger - 2 yrs $2 mill per
    2. Hejda - 2 yrs $4 mill per
    3. Reasoner - 2 yrs $1.75 mill per
    4. Konopka - 2 yrs $1.125 mill per (yes I know he has warts, but would you rather have him or Macintyre. Basically he is Stortini but can win a faceoff and kill penalties a bit)
    5. Hamrlik - 2 yrs $4 mill per
    6. Handzus - 2 yrs $3 mill per

    the numbers are not the order I would necessarily target them in. But those are the over 30 guys who may go for a 2 yr overpay. I'm sure there are more, just the ones off the top of my head.

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  24. Higgins 2 yrs $1.9 mill per as per MAckenzie

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  25. Hejda is lkely getting offers of $4 million for three years.

    I'll take the "over $4.9 million per season" on Hamrlik's 2-year deal.

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  26. If I was a imending UFA player and my agent had me sign before July 1, I'd fire him. What a lean ufa year.

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  27. Torres will get signed, but not until Jacques decides where to go.

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  28. Tracy Lane
    TreenasOil Tracy Lane
    Oilers are working on Andy Green and Ben Eager
    1 minute ago

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  29. eager and Greene. both would help. greene may be underrated. he is a top 4, can pp and pk. sill need a centreman

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  30. I was going to post something about the Oilers and free agency, but decided against it because it doesn't seem like the Oilers are all that interested in being active.

    they are in a funny spot, the free agency pool is shallow enough that I'm not sure they could make the playoffs even if they "cap out" over the next 48 hours. Or am I underselling?

    Add Fiddler, Vokoun, Hamrlik, Hejda, is EDM a playoff team?

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  31. According to TSN, the Pens have pulled their offer to Jagr. Apparently, some other teams are now interested and it looks like the price might be going up.

    I'm wondering if Brad Richards would seriously look at Buffalo. Nice young defense, a top tier goaltender in Miller, some forwards who can really put the puck in the net and a stable management group with a loaded owner. Could be a great situation there, much better than the Rags or the Leafs.

    If it's true about Eager and Greene, than I like what V.031 is looking to do so far.

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  32. Wow, Andy Greene should bring a ton of toughness to the blueline. Being just a hair smaller than Sam Gagner, he's just what every blue line needs. Maybe they should convert Cogs to D?

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  33. Pardon my ignorance but why is EDM born Vern Fiddler such a prince and Konopka such a toad?

    Fiddler had 46 pts last year which is nice but if he is supposed to be a great defensive centre why does he have the 26th best (second worst) Rel Corsi on the Yotes (-16.4)?

    Konopka had a -23 Rel Corsi but only had 30% of his faceoffs in the offensive zone. (Fiddler had 36%.) Konopka had 300 PIM's and 9 pts.

    No doubt there is a difference there but I don't think it is as much as some here are making out.

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  34. "Add Fiddler, Vokoun, Hamrlik, Hejda, is EDM a playoff team?"

    The team would be deeper, but it would still come down to the health of key player, such as Whitney, Horcoff, Hall, Hemsky, et al.

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  35. Jagr continues to dick around clubs. With Smyth in the fold would it be worth sending say a $3 or $4 million dollar contract offer his way?

    I'm not sure it makes sense as it would likely come at the expense of a guy like Omark.

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  36. Ben Eager would be a nice catch for the Oilers.

    A real 4th liner that can make a hockey play....whatta concept!

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  37. Greene was profiled at length by the elite In Lou We Trust. Must reading if the Oiler sign him.

    http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2011/4/24/2130383/how-andy-greene-stacks-up-among-ufa-defensmen-at-5-on-5-part-1

    http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2011/4/25/2132537/how-andy-greene-stacked-up-among-ufa-defensmen-at-5-on-5-in-2010-11

    and there's more on ILWT.

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  38. Don't really care for the fact that Greene was -23 last year. I know NJ was bad, but damn thats ugly.

    Besides if the LD is Whitney, Peckham and Smid, not sure where he fits, I guess he would be nice Whitney insurance.

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  39. speeds: good question. i think the real question is what ind of leap do last years kids make because that is who will determine our playoff chances. Will Hall have a stamkos kind of jump? 23 goals to 51 for Stamkos. 35 goals becomes a legi goal for Hall. Eberle makes a bit of a push up to 55 pts/25 goals. MPS to around 20 (ice time may be the thing that hold shim back). Add Smyths 20 goals, a full year of Hemsky (20 goals), a full year of Horcoff (15) and by adding some depth on D and bottom 6 maybe we do make the playoffs. IS it too early to drink?

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  40. they are in a funny spot, the free agency pool is shallow enough that I'm not sure they could make the playoffs even if they "cap out" over the next 48 hours. Or am I underselling?


    No, you're spot on. Which is why gnashing teeth over Tambo's "inactions" doesn't make any sense.

    No more than the pleas for "overpays" and the subsequent complaints about how some guys are overpaid.

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  41. I forgot to factor in RNH's upcoming contract, so you'd have to drop one of those 4 guys I mentioned - I doubt you could afford all 4, along with RNH, Peckham, and Cogliano, under the cap, if you want them on 2 year overpay deals.

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  42. pBoy, good points, I'd say Buffalo or Philly are the only real considerations for Richards if he's serious about competing for a cup and making some decent coin.

    If he goes to the Rangers it'll be for the payday, and I can't imagine why he'd want to go to Toronto.

    I fully believe the Oilers are going for a lotto pick again this year, despite all their huffing and puffing.

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  43. LT: can't recommend that inlouwetrust article about ufa defenseman enough. wow. that is a great look at all the ufa's available. Greene comes in somewhere in the middle. Solid, not great. Played against tough lines with not best teammates. Put up some offense, but not much more then the stay at home types. Basically he is gilbert esque, and on this team that is an upgrade on everyone but WHitney and gilbert.

    And boy that article exposed Erhoff as not good against tough opposition. And it really shows how amazing lidstrom's year was. One of the best of all time.

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  44. And Greene resigns with the Devs for 4 years.

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  45. Andy Greene has signed a 4 year deal with NJ.

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  46. green just signed with NJ, per theforthperiod -

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  47. forget greene. signs a 4 yr deal with jersey.

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  48. Anyone for Cam Barker as a reclamation project. I wonder what kind of offers he'll get today. He could be good for a 7th Dman type signing that will kick some guys in the ass to play better.

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  49. Barker's finished. Slower than Struds...

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  50. That girl in the bikini said the Oilers asked after Vokoun but there's no interest.

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  51. garon 2 yrs $1.3 mill per in tampa. nice move by yzerman. Smith now available

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  52. Roloson and Garon can duke it out for global supremacy once again.

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  53. would anyone want the oil to make a play for Tim Connoly? maybe on a 1 yr overpay. he's a bandaid, but he actually killed penalties last year, has obvious skill and of healthy could be either a solid #1 or a solid trade chip at the deadline if we are out of it. I seem to be talking myself into him, allowing Horcoff to be our 3rd line centre and cogs our 4th. Or even have Connoly between the swedish lads. I haven't looked up advanced stats for him, but Connoly if the price was right would be an interesting option.

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  54. oilers sign eager 3 yrs $1.1 mill cap hit

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  55. Ben Eager signed in EDM, three year deal, $1M, $1.1M, $1.2M. Done deal.

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  56. Meh. Better value than Stortini and MacIntrye, but the holes on the team still need to be addressed.

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  57. Does Eager push Hartikainen off the roster for now?

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  58. "Does Eager push Hartikainen off the roster for now?"

    I would like to think they would causing havoc together on the 4th line.

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  59. Ben Eager, interesting..
    WAYYY better than JFJ... haha

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  60. Tracy Lane
    TreenasOil Tracy Lane
    Oilers now talking with agents of Reasoner , Fiddler and Joel Ward
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  61. Well you have to figure Jones plays the other side. Unless Harts or Eager plays the middle...

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  62. right now Haartikanen has no spot. Unless they move Omark or Jones, Eager has the last LW spot, with Jones playing RW (he said himself he basically played there all year). I'm happy to let Haartikanen be an injury call up ala Omark last year. Let the kids take their time.

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  63. Tracy Lane
    TreenasOil Tracy Lane
    Oilers are also working on a trade Pkg of Coglino and Foster
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  64. Ward? I like him but where does he fit with Eager being signed?

    Fiddler, fingers crossed!

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  65. I'd rather have Reasoner rather than Fiddler.

    And sure can use Joel Ward.

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  66. I have Jones on the 3rd line much to many people's chagrin.

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  67. Not clue who this guy is but it's all I got:

    InsideTheRink
    #Oilers now focused on Fiddler, Reasoner, and Konopka. Joel Ward also in the mix. Hejda also being discussed.

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  68. GenePrincipe
    Edmonton 'Eager' to get into the UFA market.great 3 year signing.provides protection for younger, skilled players. 'Ben'ificial move for Oil

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  69. Add Hejda, add fiddler and go fishing for the summer. if they did move Cogs and Foster all the better.

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  70. former flame adam pardy signs 2 yrs $2 mill per with dallas. Smid signing looks better

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  71. Can't believe LA is going so hard for Richards. Seems like an over-abundance of centres. If they get him, maybe we can trade our 6th rounder and Foster for Penner.

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  72. Leaf talk on TSN. time to take the dog for walkies.

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  73. love whitney on twitter:

    ryanwhitney6 Ryan Whitney
    Thrilled Ben Eager won't be trying to run me over and chirping me all game this upcoming season.

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  74. Blogger Cactus said...

    "Can't believe LA is going so hard for Richards. Seems like an over-abundance of centres. If they get him, maybe we can trade our 6th rounder and Foster for Penner."

    SportsnetSpec Mark Spector Sports
    @
    @helenenothelen With all those centres, maybe Kings can work out trade with #OIlers? Hear they have a guy in ICU they're looking to move...

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  75. If LAK signs Brad Richards........ Trade for Stoll? Fits RH face off specialist, kills penalties, 2nd unit PP

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  76. Upshall to Florida.

    Told you guys he wasn't coming to Edmonton. He's essentially Joffrey Lupul.

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  77. I look forward to the Gene Principe comments and the Journal Headlines "Oilers no longer EAGER for toughness" etc.

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  78. That chick in a bikini says:

    Oilers are also talking to the agents for Kaberle and Hamerlik

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  79. TreenasOil Tracy Lane
    PHO does not want Khabibulin

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  80. "Upshall to Florida.

    Told you guys he wasn't coming to Edmonton. He's essentially Joffrey Lupul."

    With Smyth coming back all the LW spots are essentially sewn up.

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  81. Blogger The other John said...

    "If LAK signs Brad Richards........ Trade for Stoll? Fits RH face off specialist, kills penalties, 2nd unit PP"

    Richards also plays wing.

    I expect that would be his role on the Kings.

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  82. This trading of Foster and Cogs for a defensemen talk I'm hearing could be a very important Tambellini moment.

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  83. Upshall....3.5/yr...yike. I guess thats how FLA gets to the floor.

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  84. Torres to Phoenix. 2 years. 1.75M per year.

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  85. Mike Smith to Phoenix.

    Guess that leaves Vokoun to Colorado.

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  86. "This trading of Foster and Cogs for a defensemen talk I'm hearing could be a very important Tambellini moment."

    How many gold coins does that get you is the question? That might get you maybe a #4.

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  87. If it's a #4 who can pair with Whitney or Gilbert then imo it's a deal the Oilers should seriously consider.

    The blue is death currently.

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  88. if Tambo deals foster and Cogs for anything, and signs fiddler and hejda it is a banner year for him. Just disconnect his phones and let it ride for the summer.

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  89. "The blue is death currently."

    It is. I'm with ya, I'm hoping they get a Dman out of all of this.

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  90. gordon in phoenix for 2 yrs $1.3 per. would have been nice here

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  91. so phoenix again gets a bunch of mid level depth guys. Smith, Torres and Gordon

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  92. I wonder how Jagr and Pronger will co-exist. Two very strong hockey attitudes there.

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  93. Ducey,

    Its the type of minutes they play and how good they are on the PK.

    Konopka
    CorQC 5v5 8/10
    CorQT 5v5 10/10
    RelCor -23.5 10/10
    Takes on the dregs with the dregs and gets beat

    Zone Start 30.2%
    Zone Finish 43.8%
    Net Zone Finish +13.6%

    4v5 TOI/60 5/5
    4v5 GA/60 10.60/60 5/5 - Almost twice the next closest NYI

    Fiddler
    CorQC 5v5 4/10
    CorQT 5v5 9/10
    RelCor 1-16.4 10/10
    Takes on 2nd toughs with the dregs and gets beat

    Zone Start 35.9%
    Zone Finish 46.7%
    Net Zone Finish +10.8%

    4v5 TOI/60 2/5
    4v5 GA/60 7.89 5/5 (next closest 7.32, best was 6.64, so not far off the mark)

    So Fiddler takes on 2nd toughs and sees some 1st toughs with the dregs in the Western Conference and comes out slightly ahead of Konopka who takes on the dregs with the dregs in the Eastern Conference.

    Fiddler played the Keslers of the world and Konopka played the Darche/Rolstons of the world.

    That puts him heads and tails ahead of Konopka.

    Konopka also does not skate at an NHL level. He did not get to the NHL with hockey ability at the age of 28, he got there with his fists and FO ability, but he will be on his 3rd team in 3 years for a reason.

    Also,


    No more than the pleas for "overpays" and the subsequent complaints about how some guys are overpaid.


    We can complain about giving a plug like Jones 1.5M for playing below NHL replacement level and also bitch about not overpaying to fill a real hole on the roster (3C)

    Its pretty obvious why this is.

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  94. Any terms yet on Fiddler or Hejda? I can't find any.

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  95. Dvorak is supposedly $1.5M for 1 year according to McKenzie.

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  96. So belanger, Konopka are left at 4C. ouch. Hopefully trader steve can deal cogs and foster for that centre. damn i am sad a bit now

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  97. TreenasOil
    Arnott is now on the Oilers radar as is Reasoner

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  98. Tracy Lane
    TreenasOil Tracy Lane
    Arnott is now on the Oilers radar as is Reasoner
    8 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

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  99. Ducey,

    Forgot to mention that Konopka was removed from the NYI PK with about 20 games to go.

    He is not the solution to the 3C, and now that Eager is an Oiler, he is the solution to nothing.

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  100. Bikini girl says Fiddler to Dallas. Damn.

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  101. TreenasOil
    Oilers are trying to trade Coglino and Foster to the Rangers, Rangers have interest in Coglino but not Foster

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  102. nothing on tsn about fiddler or hejda. typo maybe?

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  103. Arnott is intriguing but yet, its like going back to an old flame.

    Arnott would fit like a glove with someone like Hemsky, its just doesn't feel right for some reason.

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  104. DBO: Mark Spector also had it for Sportsnet. It seems we're sunk.

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  105. Rishaug says Oil in on Belanger. expect a decision soon

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  106. TreenasOil
    Belanger wants a 3yr deal from the Oilers

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  107. "Oilers are trying to trade Coglino and Foster to the Rangers, Rangers have interest in Coglino but not Foster"


    For who, Wade Redden? I'm not sure what the Rangers have that they'd be willing to part with.

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  108. You mean the same Belanger that can't stand Winnipeg?

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  109. You mean the same Belanger that can't stand Winnipeg?

    Edmonton isn't Winnipeg.

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  110. Belanger wouldn't be a bad option. Is a 3 year contract that much of a problem.

    Obviously you want some flexibility when Hall and Ebs need new contracts but you still need some players under contract.

    Is Belanger the type of guy you want when the real push for the Cup comes along or is he going to be a little too old?

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  111. Right Edmonton isn't Winnipeg. Edmonton also doesn't have nearly the french presence that Winnipeg does.

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  112. TSNBobMcKenzie
    Vern Fiddler's three-year deal with Dallas is worth $1.8M per year
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    Missed the boat

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  113. McKenzie saying that Fiddler's contract with Dallas is 3 years, $1.8M per. Alas.

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  114. Would not a 2 year contract for more $$$ than the average over 3 years get it done

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  115. "Flyers are interested in Hemsky have called Oilers again"


    Bikini girl = Eklund?

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  116. Would a 3M 1Yr be too much for Arnott? could you pitch trading him to the team he wants at the deadline be a good way to start negotiation?

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  117. Would not a 2 year contract for more $$$ than the average over 3 years get it done

    $2.5M x 2 years probably makes him an Oiler.

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  118. Woodguy - if they can get Reasoner or Belanger for $1.8-2M per for two, would you take that over $2.5M for Fiddler?

    I wonder if the Oil might have been thinking that.

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  119. Although i guess there's now a Czech connection in PHI. Flyers have traded away a lot of what we'd want for Hemmer, unfortunately

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  120. But if 3.5 x 1 gets you Arnott, that's a no brainer.

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  121. Did the oilers buy out Souray? know he went on waivers but was the buyout official?

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  122. A Smyth Arnott Hemsky 2nd line might go a long way to getting closer to paydirt. Still need that Dman though.

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  123. Woodguy - if they can get Reasoner or Belanger for $1.8-2M per for two, would you take that over $2.5M for Fiddler?


    True, but who knows what those guys go for.

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  124. TreenasOil
    Suprise announcement coming from the Oilers sit tight

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  125. Figured the Panthers would be busy today. Not sure they are any better, but they are busy.

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  126. James Mirtle mirtle
    Capitals acquire a first round pick in 2012 and a second round pick in 2012 or 2013 from the Avalanche for Semyon Varlamov.

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  127. Philly have to move somebody out on the blueline no? With Lilja signing who gets shown the door.

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  128. yeah that was an overpay by the 'Lanche on Varlamov. That could be a top 10 pick.

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  129. Without lottery protection that's a huge risk for COL, not a fan of that move for them.

    Actually, even with lottery protection, that's prob an overpay?

    Think WSH would have matched an OS at 3.1, or whatever the max is in the 2nd round pick compensation band?

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  130. That Jovo signing in FLA sets a ridiculous market for D-men. That higher cap floor is causing a lot of overspends.

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  131. McPhee absolutely destroyed Sherman in that deal.

    Wow.

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  132. Who would the Avs have been bidding against?

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  133. NHLPA just voted Tallon "GM of the Year"

    Details to follow..

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  134. Elite prospect Shirokov back to Russia. Another false prediction for a certain someone.

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  135. I'm kinda shocked by that. I thought Shirokov had the tools and gumption to be in the NHL. I always thought he was just stuck behind the pleathora of forwards vancouver seem to have.

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