Friday, June 3, 2011

Tale of the Tape

Ryan Nugent Hopkins weighed in at 171.2 pounds at the NHL combine today. He's 6.01, and a lean machine according to reports (RNH impressed at the combine according to reports). The weight is about 16 pounds lighter than Taylor Hall a year ago.

During the tsn coverage of the combine earlier this evening, Bob McKenzie stated RNH's size is less of an issue after the combine than it was entering the event.

A few other items:
  • Based on a quick scoot around the Al Gore, I'd bet money the top of the draft goes RNH, Huberdeau, Larsson and Landeskog (although not in that order).
  • After that, it could be absolute mayhem. The first round could take 5 hours.
  • The Oilers have gotten offers for 1 and 19, with 19 and 31 possibly going in a package to move up.
  • Late breakers include Duncan Siemens, Mika Zibanejad and Mark Scheifele.
RNH performed well enough to be ranked in the following disciplines:

Anaerobic fitness
1 15.1 SCOTT MAYFIELD YOUNGSTOWN (USHL)
2 14.8 MIKA ZIBANEJAD DJURGARDEN (SWEDEN)
3 14.0 ROCCO GRIMALDI USA U-18 (USHL)
4 13.9 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS RED DEER (WHL)
5 13.8 JAMIESON OLEKSIAK NORTHEASTERN (H-EAST)
6 13.6 CONNOR MURPHY USA U-18 (USHL)
7 13.4 MATTHEW NIETO BOSTON UNIVERSITY (H-EAST)
8 13.4 MIKE REILLY SHAT.ST.MARY’S (HIGH-MN)
9 13.2 LOGAN SHAW CAPE BRETON (QMJHL)
10 13.0 TYLER BIGGS USA U-18 (USHL)

Aerobic fitness VO2 Max
1 67.9 RYAN TESINK SAINT JOHN (QMJHL)
2 66.9 ZACK PHILLIPS SAINT JOHN (QMJHL)
3 62.8 ADAM LARSSON SKELLEFTEA (SWEDEN)
4 62.8 NIKITA KUCHEROV CSKA 2 (RUSSIA-JR.)
5 61.0 MATT MAHALAK PLYMOUTH (OHL)
6 60.0 MIKE REILLY SHAT.ST.MARY’S (HIGH-MN)
7 58.3 RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS RED DEER (WHL)
8 56.5 JAMIESON OLEKSIAK NORTHEASTERN (H-EAST)
9 56.2 MARK MCNEILL PRINCE ALBERT (WHL)
10 55.8 TYLER BIGGS USA U-18 (USHL)

Both sets of numbers courtesy Kirk Luedeke.

34 comments:

  1. Fitness levels at this point are irrelevant since all the drafted players will be put on a team structured workout regime once they are drafted.

    ReplyDelete
  2. DSF: It's useful for players who aren't playing at full pace.

    Some kids gets in organized hockey so late they don't necessarily get in shape too much.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Hopefully that workout regime also includes a diet. Hall's subsistence on KD is one of those niggling worries :P

    ReplyDelete
  4. lol. My favorite nutrition story is the Dale Hawerchuk gem John Ferguson Sr used to tell.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Breaking news.

    As per RDS, Sidney Crosby's career might be in jeopardy.

    ReplyDelete
  6. LT: Apparently he suffered concussions twice when he played in Rimouski.

    So now it would be his 4th.

    It's not entirely sure, but some believe he will not be able to come back at the state he was.

    ReplyDelete
  7. FPB, I just read the article at RDS. It's quoting Mario Tremblay who apparently spoke to his agent. Other than the news on the 2 previous concussions in junior, there isn't anything new here as I see it. Some were saying back in Feb-Mar that his career might be in trouble IIRC.

    ReplyDelete
  8. This also from Tambellini today:

    "I don't see us moving our top picks," Tambellini said. "This is the two years here that we need to acquire high-end people."

    "We're starting to formulate the semblance of a core," Tambellini said, "but we're not there. We haven't established an entire core to go the next 10 years with. We have to build that. There will be some action in free agency, but not to the point where we're adding a $10 million player."

    ReplyDelete
  9. So the 6 year program is now a 10 year program.

    Talk about job security!

    ReplyDelete
  10. So RNH is #4 at anaerobics (that's the wingate, isn't it)? Very good to hear. That's the most important fitness score for a hockey player, especially a skilled forward.

    ReplyDelete
  11. The media may focus on the fitness tests but the teams should focus on the athletic tests.

    Anyone can be fit at this point but who are the true athletes in the crowd with the potential to move to the next level?

    ReplyDelete
  12. It may be me, but I find the combine to be the most useless to hockey than the other sports.

    Just useless if you don't know how to play. Maybe exept to find if a guy's a ''Penner'' (Fat)

    ReplyDelete
  13. So the 6 year program is now a 10 year program.

    Veteran cores are 26 to 33 years old.

    taylor hall 19 yr. 26yrs is 7 years later. 10 years from now he will be 29.

    ReplyDelete
  14. I'm pretty sure by ''10 years to go now'' he meant that he will conserve the core now (+ draft) until 10 years into it.

    ReplyDelete
  15. Another excellent Moneyball quote: But it was perfectly possible to abandon all hope of winning and at the same time show up every day for work to collect a paycheck. Professional sports had a word for this: "rebuilding."

    ReplyDelete
  16. Regier has acquired the same disease that plagued Kevin Lowe.

    After doing an admirable job with the NHL version of a shoestring budget he gets more money and gives out contracts based on career years (i.e Pisani, Souray, Horcoff etc)

    Drew Stafford 4 years $16MM

    He had a great scoring year with 31g 21a 52pts +13 in 62 games, but he shot a gaudy career high 17.3.

    He is a high percentage career shooter with a 13.2, but his last two years were 7.7 and 10.9.

    I'd expect his numbers to come to earth a little next year.

    His zone starts were very favourable with 57.6, but his finish was 52.5 for a -5.1%.

    His RelCor was 8/13 -1.1
    His CorQC was 12/13
    His CorQT was 5/13

    So he had a good scoring year aided by an unreal SH%, playing the dregs with decent help, but the puck still went the wrong way when he was on the ice.

    His +13 was also helped with a very high PDO of 1035 (1/13

    Classic case of the percentages falling his way and it being called his "breakout" year.

    I'm sure when he regresses to more normal SH% and PDO, and if he plays tougher comp high numbers won't be near what they were this year and people will wonder "what's wrong with Stafford"

    Its not as bad as Lupul's contract, but its near the same category.

    ReplyDelete
  17. Choppystride

    The most important physical tests are the power #'s. vertical jump and standing broad jump. VO2 recovery might have been the most important # 30 years ago but 40 seconds shifts with 3 lines has reduced that as a marker.

    Steve: a couple of reasons you may not want to sign a $10 million dollar FA: that would be a ridiculous overpay (not that your history would lead one to think would know that) and they would have nobody to play with after you trade Hemsky

    ReplyDelete
  18. WG: Well he still did progress a bit.

    If he had career average it would have been 24-21-45. 60 Points on a full year.

    And he's still 24. Big man. Contract similar to Penner.

    Most of the time, there's type of players you're just forced to overpay, not because of their worth, but because of market. If i'm not wrong he would have became UFA, and it's highly probably someone would have offered him 4,5-5 M$ range.

    ReplyDelete
  19. FPB,

    He was RFA after July 1.

    He has progressed, but the combination of easy minutes, good help, sky high shooting percentage, sky high PDO, and the puck still not going in the right direction is poison.

    He has no where to go but down.

    His on ice team shooting percentage was highest on the team with 10.3% and on-ice save percentage of .933 was 2nd highest on the team.

    The perfect storm for a contract year.

    Good for him cashing in though.

    Cashed some serious karma points for all that to come together.

    ReplyDelete
  20. The most important physical tests are the power #'s. vertical jump and standing broad jump. VO2 recovery might have been the most important # 30 years ago but 40 seconds shifts with 3 lines has reduced that as a marker.

    Nope, I think you're wrong. Perhaps you confused aerobic fitness (long term endurance) with anaerobic fitness (short term high energy output/recovery).

    That's exactly the stuff you need to go hard on those 40 sec shifts.

    ReplyDelete
  21. I realize what Bumbelini meant.

    It's just so easy to doubt these guys based on recent history.

    Fitness tests are important for some players, meaningless for others. The results might cause some guys to jump up 3 or 4 spots and others to drop 3 or 4.

    In the end 95% of these kids are in incredible shape for 18.

    ReplyDelete
  22. Choppystride

    Your difference of opinion is not with me, It is with Matt Nichol of BioSteel Fitness, fitness guy TSN hired to comment on the combine. His statement was how he focused on how much power an athlete is capable of generating for short bursts.Both tests are what he referred to focusing on.

    Not really sure 2 minutes is aerobic activity

    Fully expect Oilers are using your measure

    ReplyDelete
  23. This may sound silly but... how the hell is vertical leap important in hockey?

    Jumping?

    ReplyDelete
  24. choppystride said...

    So RNH is #4 at anaerobics (that's the wingate, isn't it)? Very good to hear. That's the most important fitness score for a hockey player, especially a skilled forward.

    #4 for now. The combine is far from over though.

    My mock draft right now:

    EDM RNH
    COL COU
    FLA LAR
    NJD HAM
    NYI BEA

    ReplyDelete
  25. We're tanking again next year

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Oilers+rush+transform+into+winner/4885522/story.html

    ReplyDelete
  26. Vertical leap tells you about the burst of power they can generate. Coupled with good skating technique, this is what gives you the quick take off from a standing start, change of direction, etc.

    ReplyDelete
  27. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  28. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  29. Not really sure 2 minutes is aerobic activity

    Fully expect Oilers are using your measure



    And I'm sure so does every other NHL team.

    P.S. Do you actually understand that anaerobic is NOT the same as aerobic? Seriously.

    ReplyDelete
  30. Choppy

    Let me see if I can explain my understanding of anaerobic. When Usain Bolt runs the 100 metro dash he is using almost exclusively anaerobic energy. He, and all world class sprinters, have about 5.5 seconds of maximum energy before he starts slowing down. That is, about 60 metres into the race the sprinters have reached maximum speed and a very gradual decline in speed starts to occur.

    Expect Bolt would kill a Wingate test. Most sprinters are almost good long jumpers and some of it is the power generated in their legs

    Appreciate your question though. Trust you already knew the best anaerobic athletes are only able to expend their most efficient effort for 5.5 to 6 seconds

    ReplyDelete
  31. This "last year was year one" statement should be a firing offense in itself. To ignore MPS and Eberle and Gagner merely to frame the future in the easiest light possible is absolutely disgusting. For the reporter to let that statement go unchallenged while mentioning those players is equally sickening. Why is he not asking for some clarity? For some measure? For some acknowledgement?

    I am finding it very difficult to get behind this GM any more. He had better have a wicked next 30 days.

    ReplyDelete
  32. If that was year one of the rebuild, the timeline for the playoffs is at least 3 years from now.

    This means, NO PLAYOFFS PERIOD. You think Hall and Eberle are going to want to stay and finish in the lottery every year?

    What a joke. They're running this franchise into the fucking ground.

    ReplyDelete
  33. Tambellini's speech reeks of a fatalistic passive attitude, which I don't appreciate.

    I think it is why so many don't trust him, he doesn't give the impression he's in charge and is making the right, active decisions to fix the mess the team is in.

    When two of your three best players can't play full seasons, hoping for a Lidstrom or St. Louis to appear may not be the best strategy.

    If you need 3-5 more core players, tanking for 3-5 drafts and hoping a player in the position and of the calibre you want will be there that year may also have it's drawbacks.

    ReplyDelete
  34. I posted this in the last thread but nobody is commenting there anymore:

    With how often the bench press was mentioned yesterday I found it interesting that this years average was only 6.8 reps vs last years average of 10.7.

    Makes you wonder if the difference is really strength or if it has more to do with circumstance, like the order of the testing etc.

    If it is circumstantial, which I expect it is considering the highest number was only 13, then they can really only be compared with other kids from this year and last years numbers are irrelevant.

    ReplyDelete