Story is here, my gushing review of his season is here.
Smid's contract is 2.25M times two years and he is UFA 2013 summer, same time as Ryan Whitney.
Thursday, June 30, 2011
Oilers Sign Smid
Story is here, my gushing review of his season is here.
Smid's contract is 2.25M times two years and he is UFA 2013 summer, same time as Ryan Whitney.
Obviously the Oilers wanted Smid more than I did. Good news is, he is schedule to score a goal at some point this year.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you didn't jinx him, LT. He remains one of my favourites, after Smyth, Eberle, Horcoff and Hall.
ReplyDeleteHe was a 1.3M cap hit on his last contract, with his improvement my guess is 1.5 or so; if he can play top 4D against the 2nd toughest opponent to a draw that is a good contract.
ReplyDeleteI wish he brought some offense, though. I suspect this is our shutdown, PK defender though. The Smith-Staios fellow.
This will allow him to be a UFA in the summer of 2013
ReplyDeleteI think Smid has a chance to be here a long time. Oilers like him, he appears to like them. I hope he plays his entire career in Edmonton.
ReplyDeleteAt the very least, its a "devil you know" kind of deal.
ReplyDeleteAs of right now, Smid is -- essentially -- a generic player. There is still some potential for improvement, but this capacity does fade as the years unfold. Unless the $$$ are out of whack, an appropriate signing.
Tambellini getting this "maximum 2 year contract length for depth role players" down is a good sign.
ReplyDeleteWell, defensemen develop slowly and Smid arrived too early. So, if he's entering the effective phase of his career--not impossible based on history--then depending on dollars this could be a good signing.
ReplyDeletelol. LTs resorting to reverse psychology. :)
ReplyDeleteLT said:I hope he plays his entire career in Edmonton.
ReplyDeleteIs this a reverse jinx?
Nah. I'm not like that.
ReplyDeleteGodot: Yes, now all he has to do is find himself some good role players.
ReplyDelete"Tambellini getting this "maximum 2 year contract length for depth role players" down is a good sign."
ReplyDeleteRight up til the second year where he wishes he could trade them and/or have someone else buy them out ala Brule & Fraser.
Smid seemed genuinely relieved not to be traded this past spring, so it wouldn't surprise me if he actually did want to spend at least a big chunk of his career here.
ReplyDeleteIt's almost strange to see a young player sign a deal that isn't 5+ years these days.
ReplyDeleteGood term, and anything under $2M is good too.
A 2 year deal at a reasonable number for a good role player is always good work.
ReplyDeleteNice to see that 3.1 is taking care of the low hanging fruit.
Can't wait to see what he's going to do with some of holes in the roster.
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ReplyDeleteDangerMan, yep, it's not like defensive defensemen have a longer developmental timeline, and usually start showing their usefulness after 25 years of age or so. And it's not like Smid has shown signs of improvement and is the 3rd best defenceman on the Oilers currently (not that that's any hells bells).
I mean recent players such as Jason Smith and Matt Greene pretty much show this no?
Better to cut him loose for nothing without finding a replacement first. Not like a low cap hit young defenceman with 331 games played in the NHL would be a useful chip in a trade.
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This deal puts Smid into his UFA years correct?
ReplyDeletehopefully Smid will score goals on the OTHER teams net this year.
ReplyDeleteAs per @GMillerTSN, LAK not happy to learn Colin Fraser, part of EDM Smyth deal, is apparently "injured." Not able to be bought out now.
ReplyDeleteThe trade that just won't go away...lol
Gord Miller of TSN just tweeted that LAK are not happy to learn Colin Fraser is apparently "injured" and not able to be bought out.
ReplyDeleteMan Tambo, do you sure know how to p#ss off Lombardi don't you.
Tweet says, LAK won't go back to league to reverse the trade because of Smyth's cap issue they would have to deal with.
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ReplyDeletehe could still very well be dealt but assuming he won't be then we're looking at 5-6-49-58-77 and we need one more real D.
ReplyDeleteand we need to find a way to get rid of 26.
Or maybe we keep him and 5-58-26 roll though the 5th-6th-7th slots.
Glad we got him signed. He's the kind of player we need to keep, because he's still gorwing and is now able to contribute more than bottom 6, while still (hopefully) being a reasonable price.
ReplyDeleteI really like the prospect of signing a guy like Hannan to play with Whitney. His versatility of being able to play L or R D is a huge plus when injuries hit, and by my eye is the best shut-down D UFA available this year. The fact he pushes everyone else down the depth chart is also a plus.
Cap hit has been 4.5 for the last 4 years. There's no way he's worth that amount (10-20 pts/year) but he's been very healthy which is a significant plus on this team.
I'm thinking you can either try to sign him for between 3-4 years @ 3/4M/year and that's fair market value, or go shorter term for more $$$ (2 year 4.5-5M). Don't like those numbers as much, but does provide more flexibility incase he doesn't fit or we need to spend in 2013.
Is tambellini this far out of touch with his players?
ReplyDeletesmid: 2 yrs, $2.25 mill per as per rishaug on twitter. May be a bit much for smid. Hope he plays top 4 minutes and makes a move to another level this coming season
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ReplyDeleteJordan: we hope the 94 signing was a signal towards those kinds of moves.
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ReplyDeleteFraser is injured? Seriously. Ok, this is now getting funny.
ReplyDeleteAs for Smid, LT your "gushing review" noted how well he paired up with Visnovsky when he was here. Whom might we get that would pair up as well or are you ok with him remaining with Gilbert?
In the tweet it claims Lombardi says he could be out long term?I don't recall an injury to Fraser being that serious
ReplyDelete2.25?!
ReplyDeleteI like smid but this is a huge overpay
Is it possible that Smid's contract is a bit higher than expected because the Oil are buying a UFA year? It's not clear to me whether this was his last RFA contract, or if he'd still be restricted if he'd signed another one year deal.
ReplyDeleteI wonder a little bit about the "injury" claims now. Tambo claimed in an interview that Brule was cleared to play.
ReplyDeleteThe Fraser injury as per Tambo was a broken foot or broken bone in his foot.
He hasn't played hockey for 3 months and somehow that's not healed ? Unless there's another injury that was not announced ????
Plus if Lombardi would talk to his capologist, Fraser could still be bought out once he is cleared to play.
I don't know one way or the other about the injury, but it could be whining and sour grapes .... just posturing.
"Is tambellini this far out of touch with his players?"
ReplyDeleteSheldon Souray just tweeted: "Well duh".
(just kidding)
well, that changes things in as much as it's not that we can't afford that but are we back to the Lowe way of overpaying everyone?
ReplyDeletecan we get some comparables to see if this is as bad as it seems?
You're right Dennis - this feels like an overpay 'just because we can' type of thing. The Oilers are at the cap-floor (mind you they still have $17M of wiggle room or so), so I don't see the need to over-pay for the sake of overpay. Maybe they felt the durability this past year was worth an extra $500k?
ReplyDelete2.25 Million. That's 1.125 per season. Jesus, the guy deserved a raise, now I feel bad.
ReplyDelete2.25M a SEASON? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Well this is a crazy contract. Just silly.
ReplyDeleteGord Miller's tweet claims Fraser could be out long term.
ReplyDeleteWhat could it be then ? Knee injury ? Shoulder ? Abdominal surgery ? Back ?
It will be interesting to see how Tambo reacts to this. I assume it would get a response back from the Oilers.
2.25!
ReplyDeleteI guess we got him at a lowe rate because we added the 2nd year.
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seems like extra cause they can, unless they plan on him making a big jump. once again we think outside of the box and go with the hometown overpay, instead of the discount. crazy like a fox!
ReplyDeleteThe Cap has gone up to crazy numbers so it means that a "less than average" talent on the worst professional hockey team can now make money like this. Absolutely fucking stupid!! Mr. Bettman took away a year of hockey from us so we can pay guys like this insane money.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that do you think Lowebellini signed him for someone else and now a trade will be consummated? No, I don't think so either. Not that smart!!
as per McKenzie, Souray on unconditional waivers for buyout.
ReplyDeleteLowetide, your reaction to the Smid money has already made it to youtube....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tim5nU3DwIE
With the cap going up and up there are two issues.
ReplyDeleteYou've got teams that are going to spend like crazy just to get to the floor so that will inflate salaries. Wait until tomorrow - there is going to be some insane shit.
And there are fewer and fewer players going to market. Lots of guys are extending with their current clubs. So again less supply for the demand.
Smid is obviously way overpaid now, iirc he's making more money than Gator did the year of the Cup run, but I'll bet that tomorrow its going to be batshit insane
You know, I hadn't noticed this but Garth Snow made a very nice move by acquiring the rights to Erhoff for a 7th and then flipping them to Buffalo for a 4th.
ReplyDeleteNot the kind of move I'd have expected from the sabres though - usually they are smarter than to risk assets for questionable returns.
The going rate for a veteran defensive #4 D is about $3 million per season.
ReplyDelete$2.25 million for a #4-#5 tweener is fine. For the Oilers the two year term is more important than haggling over $250K per season.
A bit too much for my liking (by 0.5M) but I suppose my expectations are not taking into account for the rising cap.
ReplyDeleteAt that money though, an extra year (UFA year) would have bee nice.
Either way, doesn't matter. The Oilers, while won't publicly say it, appear to be more interested in getting high draft picks than reasonably intending to make the playoffs. We already have Stauffer tampering down expectations for July 1.
We'll see more of the same of last year.
//Smid is obviously way overpaid now, iirc he's making more money than Gator did the year of the Cup run, but I'll bet that tomorrow its going to be batshit insane//
ReplyDeleteGator made that when the cap was over $20 million dollars less, and there was no escrow applied.
Smid's contract in 2006 cap dollars is about $1.5 million per season.
You know, I hadn't noticed this but Garth Snow made a very nice move by acquiring the rights to Erhoff for a 7th and then flipping them to Buffalo for a 4th
ReplyDeleteUnless the original story changed, Snow gave up his 4th to VCR for Erhoff and then flipped him to Buffalo for their 4th.
So Snow probably traded down in the 4th. Maybe not "very nice"?
i've seen this mistake a few times. isles sent vancouver there 4th, not a 7th. so by getting buffalo's 4th they move back into the 4th rd, just not as high as their original pick would have been
ReplyDeleteHey Jordan, not entirely true. The NYI gave up a 4th to VAN and received a 4th back from BUF.
ReplyDeleteMy bet is that costs them a few spots overall on that pick as BUF will probably finish higher than NYI.
See article for confirmation of 4th to VAN
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2011/06/28/sp-ehrhoff-nyi.html
Huh... yeah... brain fart...
ReplyDelete... I Mean...
Psshh.. whatever guys. Islanders are building a Stanley Contender man. They are going to dominate the eastern conference next year and make it to the finals!
Buffalo is totally going to be terrible, so that pick will absolutely be better than the 4th they gave to Vancouver...
After having a peak at cap geek. I could only find a couple of players in that price range.
ReplyDeleteI know those deals were signed with a lower cap but these tweener deals were killer for the Oilers in the past...ie Moreau/Staios.
However, with the cap rising the way it has I think this contract is probably on the lower end of the salary scale and pretty much on par for the type of player.
Colaiacovo and Sutton were two that I found close to this pay.
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ReplyDeleteWow those dollars are too high for Smid. I understand "buying" a UFA year, but still $2.25 a season for a guy (and I like him) that has more pucks bounce in his own net off him than he puts in the other is a bit much.
ReplyDeleteAnd so the summer of 3.1 continues.
from Helene Elliot:
ReplyDeleteColin Fraser, player Kings acquiired in Ryan Smyth deal, has unhealed fracture/cyst and will need surgery 4 months projection. Kings angry
Helene Elliot:
ReplyDeleteEspecially after Brule fiasco. Kings had intended to let Fraser compete for job, not buy him out. Neither can happen now
Smyth trade won't be voided. Kings and Oil will try to work this out.
But likelihood of Kings and Oil trading again in future is, um, small.
Hal Gill got exactly the same money on a one year deal. His boxcars are almost identical to Smid's.
ReplyDeleteGill is probably a better defenceman than Smid at this point but there is the risk at 36 that Gill will get worse over the course of the contract, while there is a chance that Smid at 25 will get better.
Smid will take up just over 3% of Edmonton's cap next season, which is probably about market value for a 4/5 D.
Why did Fraser not already have that surgery at season's end, if there's a 4 month turnaround? Something fishy going on?
ReplyDeleteHelene Elliot:
ReplyDeleteApparently Oilers' medical reports said Fraser was healed. Kings' personnel found otherwise.
So, I thought when they cleaned house last summer, this wasn't going to happen anymore ? WTF ???
Why are the Kings releasing confidential and private medical records of hockey players to the media?
ReplyDeleteI am starting to think "Helen Elliot" is just Dean Lombardi's internet handle.
ReplyDeleteTennessean beat reporter Josh Cooper reports that Shane O'Brien will not be re-signed by the Preds.
ReplyDeleteEspecially after Brule fiasco. Kings had intended to let Fraser compete for job, not buy him out. Neither can happen now
ReplyDeleteMan, now that the Kings will be short Fraser until November, there is no way they make the playoffs.
Again, why has surgery not been already undertaken if it has a 4 month turnaround? I don't get it. What has Fraser been waiting for?
ReplyDeleteShane O'Brien would be a good 3rd pairing d-man. Can play the kill, brings plenty of sandpaper, no offensive upside.
ReplyDeleteNashville also bought out JP Dumont.
Wonder if Fraser's injury is post-season? Lombardi has been Mr. Media throughout this entire misadventure, which is probably not enticing other GMs to want to do business with him. A closed mouth gathers no foot, and all that.
ReplyDeleterefsse: What you start calling the refs after a few more beers than you remember having.
Spoiler; Maybe he knew he would lose his job.
ReplyDeleteMan, now that the Kings will be short Fraser until November, there is no way they make the playoffs.
ReplyDeleteLol... awesome. Also because Penner's off-season training plan to beef up consisted of 2 triple-beef donairs a day, Smytty poisoned the room, Murray's a terrible coach, and Mike Richards isn't a first-line centre.
It might be me, but it seems some Montreal bloggers want Konopka.
ReplyDeleteWTF? Why do people like this guy? He can't play hockey FFS!
flamingpavelbure said...
ReplyDeleteSpoiler; Maybe he knew he would lose his job.
Because showing up at camp and advising you need 4 months for surgery whe you've just had 4 months off keeps you your job.
Not!
Helene Elliott tweeting Oilers and Kings will work out ADDITIONAL compensation.
Spoiler: Not, In the sense that:
ReplyDeleteHe felt the Oil would buy him out. He stays longer, waits for surgery, he then goes into the season.
Then Ooops! He's traded to the Kings who wouldn't have bought him out.
Helene Elliott tweeting Oilers and Kings will work out ADDITIONAL compensation.
ReplyDeleteShit. We should have qualified JFJ and included him too.
FPB, that still makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteSpoiler: Well then the only option left is that he caught whatever Brule had. (Black Plague)
ReplyDeleteSpoiler, FPB avoiding the buyout by being on LTIR kinda makes sense. Also it could be that Fraser's problem wasn't picked up, or the extent of it wasn't picked up till recently.
ReplyDeleteSorta like how Doug Lynch's career ending wrist injury wasn't really picked up until nearly a full season after he'd played on it and exasperated it.
Looks like cleaning house on the medical/training staff really paid off for the Oil.
Starting to look like Souray may be on to something with the apparent difference between "healed and ready to play" and "healed and ready to play for the Oilers".
ReplyDeleteI find Colin Fraser's injuries less exasperating than Brule's, so really Lombardi should be happy with what he got. If Fraser aggravates his injuries by not dealing with them, well, I guess that's exasperating too.
ReplyDelete;-)
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Other Dmen in 5's price range:
ReplyDeleteMorrisson (BUF)
Aucoin (PHX)
Gill (MTL)
Murray (SJS)
Ference (BOS)
Zanon (MIN)
Colaiacovo (STL)
Sbisa (ANA)
Sutton (ANA)
Eaton (NYI)
Corvo (CAR)
I'd rather have Smid than most of those guys. Murray is due for a raise, as is Zanon.
If he's overpaid, it's not by a huge margin.
I understand death by 1000 paper cuts, but not sure that applied here.
Some of the better players on that list are at the end of 3 year deals so they signed when the cap was 56.8.
The cap has gone up 13% since then, so a 2.25 then is like a 2.5 today.
When surfing the Dmen in cap geek, most 2nd pairing guys are getting $3+, I think dinging 5 for being a more of a 4/5 than a 3/4, bringing no offense, and only succeeding with a good partner brings it down in the $2M+ range.
Most D making under $2M are 3rd pairing and not good (see:Alberts)
Smid numbers
CorQC 3/6
CorQT 1/6
Rel Cor +2.3
I like the fact that he worked will with Gilbert (.515 SC together and both much worse apart)
He worked well with the other RH Dman, Petry (.523 together), although Petry is slightly better without him.
Smid/Gilbert is a reasonable 2nd pair.
Unfortunatley they saw a lot of 1st comp in the 2nd half of the year.
Wish the contract were a little longer, but its not a bad one.
Turns out Lombardi is full of crap. Again. Tencer tweets, "Stauffer reports that the Oilers indicated the injury to Colin Fraser in the trade memo and that an "as is" situation was agreed to."
ReplyDeleteI won't place blame on the Oilers as we don't know the details.
ReplyDeleteFraser's agent might be realistic in that his client likely isn't going to get a one way deal from anyone so may as well play the "I'm injured" card and hope you get your full salary.
I suspect we'll see it more often from tweeners on their way out.
Souray is such a bandaid he may as well try playing the "I'm hurt" card too.
Lombardi was pretty terrible during this whole Smyth fiasco. Has more leaks in his office then a sieve.
ReplyDeleteRE: Fraser, Brule
ReplyDeleteMaybe that's what has been wrong with the Oilers the past few seasons, everyone was playing hurt and just didn't know it....
WG: So, you're looking at 6-58 and 5-77 and 49-???(26) if the season started today.
ReplyDeleteOilers can't be serious about competing if 58's being thrown to the wolves.
Everyone: nice job by the Hawks of throwing nothing but a 7th in order to get the early jump on Montador and then making it worthwhile.
Dennis,
ReplyDeleteIf I had my druthers we'd see:
6- UFA Vet/Trade Vet
5-77
49-58
All the best UFA Dmen are:
1) Lefties
2) Probably not interested in EDM
If Jovocop, Hamirlik etc can play the right side I'd throw a dumb number at them for 2 years.
Not sure what you could bring in via trade.
Looked at NAS, but Kline was their 2nd pairing RH Dman and he has some terrible underlying numbers.
Need to troll the rosters and I'm working.
Mondator signs $11M over 4 years.
There's the RH Dman guy I wanted.
Montador signs with CHI.
ReplyDelete@ Woodguy:
ReplyDeleteAn interesting set of comps. Am familiar w/Zanon from his days in Nashville and the guy is a shot blocking monster. Very little offense, strong on the PK (in fact several of these guys are strong PK'ers)and absolutely fearless. A real leader on defense.
Checking the Behind the Net numbers on 4v5, Smid is not yet in the class of some of these guys I think because of age - but his headed towards that territory.
That's why I think this is an overpay. If the total 2 year number had come in under $2million per, I don't think there'd be as many eyebrows raised for where he is right now.
But it could very well be that this is one of those deals driven by the market too. If a team like Nashville showed interest in him at the trade deadline, that's a tell with their style of hockey. Smid's agent could have said you need to pay more for buying that first year of FA.
Turns out Lombardi is full of crap.
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify that:
An unnamed Oiler's suit advised Bobco during
Oiler's Infomercial that the Kings knew about Fraser's injury before the trade.
That's the Company line, we'll see how it plays out.
Montador, a #5 defensive D gets 4 years @ $2.75 per season supposedly.
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised no one has mentioned Marcel Goc...two years ago he was all the rage around here. As someone who attends a fair share of Predators games I would take him over Fiddler to fill the 3C spot.
ReplyDeleteAn unnamed Oiler's suit advised Bobco during
ReplyDeleteOiler's Infomercial that the Kings knew about Fraser's injury before the trade.
Just to clarify that: some posters, convinced that Tambellini is a bumbling idiot who has someone tie his shoes for him every morning before he leaves his house, believe whatever line the Lombardi rumor pipeline delivers.
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ReplyDeleteWG: Hamrilik had some good buzz this year and seems like a good vet bet.
ReplyDeleteMontador, a #5 defensive D
ReplyDeleteRank At Even Strength:
TOI/60 - 2
QualComp - 3
PTS/60 - 1
Rel Plus Minus - 1
Rel Corsi - 4
Montador had a good season.
Re: Lombardi's complaining.
ReplyDeleteCaveat emptor. As long as Tambellini didn't misrepresent anything I don't think Lombardi has a leg to stand on. It was a matter of public record that Fraser ended the season with an injury that required a long rehab. Stop crying.
Re: Smid signing.
I like this deal and I don't think it's a poor value. We avoid arbitration and maintain a good relationship with the player, especially if he thinks he is being well-paid for his services. If he continues to improve, we may parlay that goodwill into a decent contract into Smid's prime and UFA years. If he doesn't improve we cut bait before he can ask for big UFA dollars.
Even if you accept that we paid over market value, we did so by a slim margin and in a timeframe where there is little downside. The slight additional cost or capspace will not hurt us in the next 2 seasons.
Caveat emptor. As long as Tambellini didn't misrepresent anything I don't think Lombardi has a leg to stand on. It was a matter of public record that Fraser ended the season with an injury that required a long rehab. Stop crying.
ReplyDeleteIf Lou had made this trade everyone would say what a shark he is.
Tambellini makes it and he's an idiot.
I don't like Tambellni, I don't think he's good enough when it comes to acquiring NHL players, but Oiler fans shouldn't complain when he does very well on a trade.
If the conversation and paperwork were "as is" then tough shit.
Like the signing as well.
ReplyDeleteFor me, the thing with Smid is that we was coming off a serious injury last offseason with many commentators saying it might not be until this upcoming season that he is fully comfortable and back up to speed with his game, ect.
With a full offseason and fresh start next year I think we see a better version of Smid through the 11-12.
Plus, he is in that age where investment is supposed to pay dividends and he fits in with the age of the rebuild nicely. Hope he takes a step forward to solidify himself as a top4 defensive dman this year.
Was a bit taken a back with the cap his at first too - was thinking 1.8ish - but after factoring in inflation with the rising cap it looks decent.
I think a lot of us fall into that trap of having set price ranges in our minds for certain player types, but then forget that the market fluctuates and our price ranges need to be reset.
"give us your sick, your poor, your huddled masses" - Dean Lombardi
ReplyDeletejon K, agreed.
ReplyDeleteI think Lombardi is just crying sour grapes.
From what's been said by Smid, both at the trade deadline and from the extension, methinks he has considerable goodwill towards the Oilers. At the very least, if any of his compatriots ask him about Edmonton, he's likely to give them a glowing review.
I think Lombardi is just crying sour grapes.
ReplyDeleteBordering on petulance.
Lol@lombardi...
ReplyDeleteFor the pleasure of switching wingers we paid a 7th, an injured 5th string C and a few years of age, to get the better winger, Klefbom, Teubert and a conditional pick.
ryan o'byrne on colorado signs a 2 yr $1.8 mill per season deal. he has less time in the nhl then Smid, a worse injury history and brings no offense (like Smid). So maybe Tambellini judged the market correctly (for him, because we add 10% to every deal just cause that is how we roll)
ReplyDeleteJon K and Uni: I don't like the deal because while - yes, we have the room - I just wonder if it's a harbinger of a new way of doing business; ie one overpay at a time, albeit minor.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to what he's making based on where he should be slotted from old projections, is he anything more than a 5 dman on a good team?
how many of those teams can can those guys for cheaper?
For the pleasure of switching wingers we paid a 7th, an injured 5th string C and a few years of age, to get the better winger, Klefbom, Teubert and a conditional pick.
ReplyDeleteI hadn't thought about it like this...
Almost makes me think that the bumbling boob we've all taken Tambelinni for is actually an astoundingly competant GM...
...But then I remember we're talking about Toonces!
I like Smid. The only thing I want if for him to learn that the NHL has nasty men like Avery who can sucker punch and make him look like a hayseed.
ReplyDeleteRe Lombardi and the Kings:
- I personally don't care if Oilers ever trade with the team that stole Gretzky, period. If they do then fine, but I'm not losing sleep over coulda/woulda/shoulda longshot scenarios.
- Kings fans generally see Lombardi a lot like we see Tambellini.
Sure Kings have a few excellent players. They also spent a long time out of the playoffs, and have never won the Stanley Cup - ever.
We will know who is right on the "as is, where is" argument if additional compensation goes to LAK. If they get another asset, it was NOT "as is, where is". Course Dan Tencer is just like Bob MacKenzie......Not!!!
ReplyDeleteMaybe we could add Foster to the deal ....... Now if ST gets that done, I am off his back till February!!! Think about that a 7th,Fraser AND Foster for a useful productive top 6 forward
Trade of the year
Yup, that would be pretty awesome - could probably even sign Vandermeer for that 6-7 D spot. Wouldn't that be nice...
ReplyDeletemackenzie tweeting not confirmed but he hears 10 yrs $40 million for erhoff. keeps cap hit low but dang
ReplyDeletesmid on team 1260: "i'm pain free with my neck for first time in 18 mths". and he said he needs to shoot more. well top 4, maybe this is his year to be a montador type of dman. montador had no offense for first half of his career. his career tracks pretty closely with montador. i could handle that for smid
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the Oil have the assets to acquire Callahan and Dubinsky. I don't know if they'd want to sign here but (and they are young RFA's on an old Rangers team) but if they are going after Brad Richards there might be a deal there.
ReplyDeleteIs Lombardi feeling the heat over in LA? Is he close to being fired? He continues to use the media to try to alter popular opinion. This time he is trying to distract the fans from criticism over a bad trade, one he can't be blamed too much for since he was forced into it and dealt from a position of weakness.
ReplyDeleteOnce again, there is much embellishment. Four months? This is a simple injury and should have healed by now. It sounds like there is some delayed union, a common complication easily fixed with minor surgery. He should be good to go in 6-8 weeks after surgery. 4 months? That's Whitney-reconstructive-foot-surgery kind of recovery which is outrageous. Lombardi is playing games/damage control and I think he already knows that Fraser doesn't make that deep Kings team in the fall.
Market value changes annually, paricularly as the cap rises, so I looked at CapGeek for the last 100 contracts signed as comparison (taking me back to June 2nd). I just looked at the D.
ReplyDeleteThe lowest paid true Top 3 D signed was Eric Brewer @ 3.85M. After that, there's a big jump down to Steve Montador & Roman Polak at 2.75M. Then there's Smid at 2.25M and below him you have O'Byrne (1.8M), Erixon (1.75M), and Hunwick (1.55M)
Erixon is an entry-level deal, so it doesn't count.
Basically at 1.5M and below, you have true 5-6 Defense. At 3.8M and above, you have true Top 3 D. Then you have this wide gap in the middle where you have tweener 4-5 D. I would argue that Smid is stronger than Hunwick and O'Byrne but not as strong as Montador. I don't know much about Polak. It's a wide range, but Smid would appear to be appropriately in the middle, especially if the Oilers view him at 4-5 D with potential for true top 4 billing.
WheatNOil said...
ReplyDelete"Market value changes annually, paricularly as the cap rises, so I looked at CapGeek for the last 100 contracts signed as comparison (taking me back to June 2nd). I just looked at the D.
The lowest paid true Top 3 D signed was Eric Brewer @ 3.85M. After that, there's a big jump down to Steve Montador & Roman Polak at 2.75M. Then there's Smid at 2.25M and below him you have O'Byrne (1.8M), Erixon (1.75M), and Hunwick (1.55M)"
Smid is NOT a top 3 D on any decent team. He's a bottom pairing defender.
He's overpaid by about $1M/yr.
DSF: Well, he was making 1.3 on the last contract, so 1.5M would have been reasonable and then they bought a season.
ReplyDelete1.7M? 1.8M? I don't know, speeds is usually the guy who susses it all out. It's about 500k over imo.
@DSF:
ReplyDeleteI wasn't implying Smid is a top 3 defender. I was saying that recent top 3 defenders have signed for just shy of $4M, 5-6 defenders have signed for under 1.5M. If Smid is a 4-5 tweener, that places him in the middle... Between fellow tweeners O'Byrne @ 1.8 and Montador @ 2.75.
WheatNOil, from what I've read, Roman Polak is the real deal. He's essentially the Nick Schultz of St. Louis. That he's younger and signed to a cheaper contract is just gravvy.
ReplyDelete2.75M is a helluva value for a player of his calibre if the stats I saw a year ago were correct.
Lowetide said...
ReplyDeleteDSF: Well, he was making 1.3 on the last contract, so 1.5M would have been reasonable and then they bought a season.
1.7M? 1.8M? I don't know, speeds is usually the guy who susses it all out. It's about 500k over imo.
Yeah, could be and, really, it's not a big deal under the circumstances, other than it may indicate Mr. Dithers still doesn't know what market value is.
See Khabibulin for reference.