I think it might be a good idea.
Why? There are several players who look about equal in this draft, and if Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor is telling ST there are four or five "equals" in this draft then it's worth listening to offers.
I'd be especially interested in Colorado's situation. The Avs own 2 and 11; if the Oilers could find a way to grab those selections (for the top pick plus something else), then the club might be able to grab a center and defenseman (or two center's) in the top group.
If we break down the top 15 players by style:
- Skilled C's: RNH, Jonathan Huberdeau, Ryan Strome
- Complete C's: Sean Couturier
- Two-way C's: Mark Scheifele, Mark McNeill
- Skilled wingers: Sven Bartschi
- Power forwards: Gabriel Landeskog, Mika Zibanejad
- Complete defensemen: Adam Larsson, Dougie Hamilton
- Two-way defensemen: Nathan Beaulieu
- Exceptional puck moving defenseman: Ryan Murphy
- Stay at home defensemen: Jamie Oleksiak, Duncan Siemens
Otherwise, keep the pick.
I'd argue Zibanejad in the "complete C" category
ReplyDeleteAye, Mika seems to be a solid 2 way player. The Avs have a solid chance at walking away really pretty in this draft if all the cards draw right.
ReplyDeleteLarsson and Zibanejad would be a helluva haul.
I don't see what the Oilers could offer (within reason) that would make the Avs want to give up 2 & 11. I didn't get the sense that there was 1 player they absolutely wanted to have.
What is the number of "top end prospects" a team needs before they make a run at it? I ask because while I realize the Oil are more then 1 or 2 players from true Cup contention, would it not make sense to use the 1st overall pick to address our pressing needs today, and not 2-3 yrs from now.
ReplyDeleteWe are not in cap problem territory anytime soon, even if we re-sign Hemsky at $5 mill or so, we will still be able to add dollars to the team while still having room for the expensive re-signing of Hall, Eberle and MPS.
So our glaring needs are #1 centre, top 2 dman with size and a #1 goalie. I'm fine with giving Dubnyk a chance to run with this team as the #1 for the next few years. So that leaves us the other 2. Go after teams with cap issues and make it a win win.
Trade with Philly (I've posted similar before) who wants to sign Bryzgalov to big dollars and need to shed a lot of salary but still want and need NHL players back since they have a short window to win.
1st overall, Cogliano and Chorney/Smid
for
Carter and Coburn.
Some will say this is an overpayment on our part, some will say it's not enough, but it meets the needs of both teams. Philly gets 2 NHL players with low contracts who can play right away while having the luxury of waiting on the top pick. And the Oil get 2 players in their mid 20's who fill our two most glaring needs for the next decade. This is the time for the Oil to be daring, not safe. The top pick this year will not be Ovechkin or Crosby or even Hall, so make a move that in my opinion gives us a legit shot at the playoffs right away.
What about Ottawa's #6, #21 and Rundblad for #1?
ReplyDeleteIf Stu is so great, howcome as the western scout he didn't stop the Oilers from drafting Alex Plante and Riley Nash?
ReplyDeleteI would love an answer to this question.
Nash played in Salmon Arm and Stu lives in Kamloops? That is a one hour drive? Stu is the western scout and we draft that kid?
I have asked this question many times, and nobody want to comment on it.
Honest question here: what's the difference between 'complete' and '2 way'? Are 3rd and 4th 'ways' that I don't know of...?
ReplyDeleteWell the most obvious answer is that - even if you hang the picks on MBS which is absurd -- Plante suffered from injuries and Nash was a projection pick. And even the best scouts don't bat 1.000; they are drafting kids, after all. It's like asking why, if Lou Gehrig was such a good hitter, he couldn't bat a thousand.
ReplyDeleteOr, I guess, OMG MBS SUX!!!111 is another possibility.
Hamilton appears very fetching from what we read but I see a big problem looking ahead.
ReplyDeleteFor years Lowe tried to do things to move around on draft day and a lot of people kept him down. Maybe those some people will conspire against Tambellini as well.
DBO: I like your idea of a trade but as I showed in a previous thread, the Flyers can make their increased cap simply by finding partners to offload guys like Versteeg and one of Carle or Coburn. I'd happily see the Oilers help them out by picking up one of the two D-men, but increasingly, I don't see them moving Carter. If a trade for Carter does happen, it would likely have to involve a high draft pick or top prospect - i.e. cheap potential.
ReplyDeleteIt's a lovely thought to bring in someone like Carter to really kick-start this team, but we should probably consider this as unlikely to happen (and a very pleasant surprise should it somehow occur).
I don't see many situations where Colorado wants to move the #2 and #11 to move up one spot. We'd have to be moving the #1 and a top end roster player. Even then, Colorado is rebuilding too, don't see how it makes any sense for them.
ReplyDeleteThe 2007 draft was an odd one. Looking at it now, there are probably only 2 or 3 impact players drafted in the top 10 (Kane, Couture, Gagner/JVR?).
ReplyDeleteIf I recall correctly, the talk at the time suggested that there were 7 "top 10" players to be had. I think there was also the suggestion that after those 7 there was decent depth through the second round. Looking at the draft now, it appears there are about 20 players that look to be NHLers, with another 10 or so that look to be good bets. The players are spread throughout the first round primarily, but we also see about 10players in clustered in the second round.
I mention all this because the 2011 draft looks very similar to the 2007 draft at this point in time.
There are 8 "top 10" players, with a consensus first overall player that has some red flags. (I say this because RNH both similarly had size concerns.) It's also being said that there is good depth through the first two rounds.
If the Oilers think that RNH can be a Kane-type pick, but there is good depth to be had, I'm not sure that moving the first overall is a good idea. On the other hand, it seems like an ideal draft to increase our number of picks under 60th.
I have to say though, the organization was set back with Nash and Plante failing to turn out. Gagner's progress is a topic of daily debate. Picking wrongly at 1, 19, and 31 this year may very well limit this team's future potential.
Jon K: No it does not. Absolutely not.
ReplyDeleteIn the 2007 draft there was a lot of ''projects'' and ''projection'' on guys who lacked scoring or were pumped. At every position except N1 can you get a better player.
Keaton Ellerby was drafted N10 with his his 25 points as a shutdown d-man.
Now you can grab Siemens who has 43.
Sutter, Macmillan, Backlund, Gillies, White, Smith, O'brien all had terrible scoring. There's very few of them this year around.
It would fit with the narrative established by Tambellini/Katz to get as many picks as possible to make the team better. I wouldn't be surprised if Gilbert is the one dangled to entice Colorado to 'trade down' and exchange 2 and 11 for 1.
ReplyDeleteI don't know that it moves the organisation forward to have more good young prospects from this draft or even if it holds the future back if one, two or three of the hoped-for-prospects does not turn out. But if LT is right and there is an owner led imperative to go down the "Pittsburgh path" then I wouldn't be surprised to see Edmonton make the move.
I think #1 Overall is overrated for this draft anyways.
Gregor's article over at ON is awfully compelling. I know that this is a draft class with a definite plateau but my vote is keep the pick unless the 2 & 11 scenario works out. What a BS quote though: "people are calling to ask how they can help me make the Oilers a better team" - I'm slowly becoming more of a media snob and this sort of shit makes my stomach turn.
ReplyDeleteIt would be crazy to include the #1 pick in any trade for Carter. The key to successful dealmaking is understanding your opponent's negotiating position. Philly's negotiating position right now is poor. To overpay for Carter right now is the sign of a shortsighted GM. Thats not to say that some GM won't overpay for Carter. But he'll sacrifice the present and future to do it and the team won't be any better. I hope that GM is not Tambellini.
ReplyDeleteOT: After seen how the rookies played this year in the NHL , would you still take Taylor Hall #1 in the draft?
ReplyDeleteMalcolm: from my POV, yes. As others have said, it's early but I like the player quite a bit.
ReplyDeleteDennis:
ReplyDeleteExcept now there's no accountability to ever actually win, so he'll trade Hemsky to CBJ for the 8th and be lauded for it.
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ReplyDeleteDuncan Siemens is a bit more then a stay at home. He had a similar issue as Larsson. Stefan Elliott was the PP option on the point for the Blades. (All time franchise leader in points for a blue liner)
ReplyDeleteHe's a good skater, he's a good puck mover. I'm not saying the kid is an offensive dynamo but he has a toolkit to get points in the way Pronger does with a good slapper and some good passing.
I'm looking forward to seeing what he'll do being the blue line man in Saskatoon next season.
Carter from Philly - The guy commits to a team(city) for some 10 or 11 years and gets traded with 90% of that term left. He realizes "it's business", but I have to think he would be leaving some enthusiasm/energy in Philly. Makes me uneasy anyway.
ReplyDeleteOther than Carter seeming to have none of the diva qualities or baggage, going after him seems a lot like going after Heatley two years ago.
ReplyDeleteI'm quite surprised to see so many posters here advocating that the Oil get back into the "Whale Hunting" game again, but I guess 2 straight 30th finishes will do that.
I like Seimens, A LOT.
ReplyDeleteI think he's the youngest guy in the draft and if he drops to around 10(where he is projected), it will be a ton easier to move up than trying to get into the top 6 or 7.
Khear: as in Klowe, Khear us all in bring in some NHL defenseman.
itsaleaf:
ReplyDeleteSiemens is very young, and is certainly one of the youngest players in the draft. It's just quibbling on my part, but Khokhlachev is two days younger and Euro goalie Pavelka is 5 or 6 days younger, those are the three youngest players I've seen available for the draft.
I'd have a hard time letting go of number 1 for 2 and 11. The 11 pick is out of the top 8 range and that's kind of scary. It could be career suicide by dropping down to number 2 and having Nugent-Hopkins tear up the league in a couple of years for another team.
ReplyDeleteAs someone already commented, this draft does look like the 2007 draft quite a bit and how do you look passing up Kane for Van Reimsdyk or Turris?
On Hall - Skinner has showed well but I certainly think, in hindsight, Hall was still the correct choice at #1. I was drifting to the Seguin camp on draft day but after seeing the two play I think Hall was the safe pick -- he had a great year and is already one of the best players on a weak team. Not a lot to complain about -- he as excelled at every level he has played at including the NHL and that is a good thing going forward. Zero concern that he won't do it again next year.
ReplyDeletePart of the reason I trust the scouts, I guess.
Khokhlachev really is an intriguing prospect. I'd be really disappointed if he fell to 31 and the Oilers didn't pick him. At the same time I recognize that he probably won't fall that far.
ReplyDeleteFPB: I can see your point. 2007 was thought to be a weak draft year. It probably was, but in reviewing the players I was quite suprised to see how many of them look to be NHLers 4 years out. Take a look, there are about 20-30players in the top 60 who look like they will play in the NHL, which is not bad at all.
This draft year was thought to be weak as well, but people's minds changed over the course of the season. Whether it is actually a B+ year as reported by MBS, or merely the excitement that seems to build every year, well we shall just have to wait and see I suppose.
Lowetide,
ReplyDeleteArticle here suggests that MacT is very much in the running for the Ottawa coaching job.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2011/06/09/18263586.html
Argh, sorry link too long. Anyways, its written by Don Brennan, Ottawa media dude.
ReplyDelete"2. Craig MacTavish, TSN commentator
There still exists the thinking that Murray wants a guy who has been a coach in the NHL to run his team. If so, MacTavish is the man. He was the bench boss in Edmonton for eight years, ending in 2008-09. He had a winning record in seven of those seasons, but still missed the playoffs five times. He did, however, lead the Oilers to the Stanley Cup final against the Hurricanes in 2005-06, where they lost in Game 7. MacTavish had a long playing career and also has served time as an assistant coach in the NHL. He’d be a good choice."
Ribs: Guys in the 20-30 range have more scoring than Turris. Just not comparable.
ReplyDeleteJon K: Fair enough.
I must say in revision, I think it's a similar draft in style. But I think the general quality of players is much much improved.
I think these are the 10 guys that would be ''good to have'' if we can at the 2 and 11 spot. (Supposing RNH is 1st pick)
Couturier, Huberdeau, Larsson, Landeskog, Strome, Siemens, Hamilton, Bartchi, Zibanejad and Bartshi/Phillips.
I think after that there's more separation in between the ''good'' guys. (Mcneill, Morrow, Rattie, Oleksiak)
@ Malcom
ReplyDeleteI was a Tyler fan last year. I was very worried about Hall's durability.
I am now a fan of Hall as #1, and in a redraft, he would be my #1.
Re: Trading Picks
I wouldn't give up #1 unless I had a ridiculous guarantee (read: 10 first round selections penalty) that Colorado wouldn't take RNH. Quite frankly, his upside has won me over (and his happiness to be in Alberta - guys with that upside and a willingness to live in darkness 6 months a year don't grow on trees...). If you can be sure to get the Nugge, Then by all means - make some deals. But I think not taking RNH would be a huge mistake.
After that, go nuts. I want to see Hamilton in Oilers Silks, and anyone else you can get... it's icing.
I think Speed's idea of just dropping alomst all of our vets is unworkable (Trading for campbell is ugly. UGLY!) but I do appreciate the spirit of it. Piling up a lot of draft selections this year makes a lot of sense to me. We're no where near win-now mode, and the brass have been clear they don't plan to be until after the new arena is built. As long as some veterans are kept (say, Whitney and Horcov) I'd say that any player who didn't have a rookie NHL season last year is fair game to be dealt.
Jordan: Most of the players in the the top 10 live in darkness most of the year.
ReplyDeletewouldn't give up #1 unless I had a ridiculous guarantee (read: 10 first round selections penalty) that Colorado wouldn't take RNH.
ReplyDeleteSo we'll give you first overall and take your 2 and 11 picks, but only if you still let us keep the spirit of the first pick by letting us veto your choice if it conflicts with ours.(?) Well, if Colorado went for that, then I would follow up with a demand for their best player in exchange for the rfa rights to Stortini.
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ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why COL would they make a deal trading up where they aren't assured of the player they want? I guess, in theory, they might also be concerned that another team, be it FLA, NJ, whoever, would trade up for EDM's pick and then take the guy COL wants.
ReplyDeleteSo, I guess it is conceivable (if a remote possibility) that COL could trade up to 1 with EDM and still agree to not to take EDM's guy, if they are THAT concerned with someone else trading into EDM's spot and taking the guy they want.
Jordan:
ReplyDeleteDo you mean unworkable in the sense that you don't think it would help the rebuild long term, or unworkable with respect to those specific trades not working for both parties?
I don't see a reasonable scenario where Col parts with the 2nd and 11th. They stand to walk away with very good haul at those two positions, especially if they can nab a guy like Zibanejad.
ReplyDeleteI like Matt Puempel at 19th, and would be very please if the Oil can snag him there. Potential 30 goal scorer who ran into some freak injury problems.
Here are the ''Traps'' of this draft:
ReplyDeleteBrandon Saad, J.T Miller, Tomas Jurco, Tyler Biggs, Nicklas Jensen, Ryan Murphy (Possibly), Colin Jacobs, Victor Rask, David Musil, Scott Mayfield.
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ReplyDeletethe different scouting services are all over the place with rankings. Based on ISS however, I would love to see the Oilers draft RNH number 1, McNeil or SCheifele at 19, and tyler Biggs or Brandon Saad at 31.
ReplyDeleteWhenever the Oilers get good they really need a top 6 forward with size and meanness, hopefully Saad or Biggs can play that role
Drafting McNeill/Scheifele give the Oilers a big center to play on the second line, then they can trade Gagner in two years for a top4 (or hopefully top 2) dman
Oilersfan: Guys in the range of scoring that Biggs and Saad showed have had abysmal results.
ReplyDeleteDrafting them is like shooting yourself in the foot.
@Jordan: Why on earth would Colorado make such a trade? Let Oilers pick RNH first, and you have the identical choices without any additional cost whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteHe had a winning record in seven of those seasons, but still missed the playoffs five times.
@Master Lok: Not at you cuz you're just citing, but this is another example at how poorly understood and/or deliberately oversold a "winning record" is. The old standards were rendered meaningless the day the league introduced the Bettman Point, and became much worse after the lockout when Every OT game rewarded the non-losers with a free point. In this day and age of 82 games with 82 winners, a winning record is 42+ wins. Period. None of this "over .500" shit.
What we learned as .500 is actually hovering around .560 in Gary Bettman's Alternate Universe Where Shit Don't Add Up. You're better off to consider a 41-win team a ".500" team, and you'll always find those clubs right around the playoff cutline. (8th out of 15 is middle of the pack as you can get.)
MacT coached the Oilers to a 38-35-9 record his last year here, which by the latter definition is a winning record, except it wasn't. Oilers had 85 points in a league where the average team had 92. Ergo "still missed the playoffs five times".
MacT's career, split equally between Bettman Point ver1.0 and ver2.0 eras, tops out at exactly 41 wins. This he accomplished twice, both after the lockout when wins were more readily available. (15 shootout wins in one of those 41-W seasons.) He did, however, post at least 36 wins in every season but one (32 in the '06-07 club that lost Smytty at the deadline being the very exceptional exception), and even those numbers in the 30s look good compared to the 27 and 25 wins since he left. With that one 20-game exception, MacT's teams were always competitive. Even if they didn't exactly have a "winning record".
Unfortunately Bettman & Co. have come up with a system that's so illogical and nonsensical that even professionals covering the sport don't fully understand it. Winning record, pshaw.
/rant
In all sincerity, I hope MacT finds a good fit in Ottawa or even Minnesota.
I would be elated if they took either musil or rask at 31.
ReplyDelete@bruce
ReplyDeletethe system has resulted in greater parity in the league and more teams right in it until the end, which is great for revenue generation.
the current point system can't be viewed properly without acknowledging the positive economic outcome it's realized.
weenes - how a loser spells win.
I like the implementation of shootouts, and hold no grudge against this point system.
ReplyDeleteIt's the same for everyone, no one gets an advantage out of it.
Glad they buried the ties, these were the worst thing invented in sports. And it was really frustrating to pay for a game that ended up that way.
Oilersfan: Guys in the range of scoring that Biggs and Saad showed have had abysmal results.
ReplyDeleteDrafting them is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Saad's NHLE: 23 points in 82 games.
Mystery player's NHLE: 24 points in 82 games.
Your proposition is too broad. Boxcars (and the statistics we derive from them, such as NHLE) can provide additional context, but you can't make sweeping statements based solely on them. Just like you can't make sweeping statements based solely on "saw him good".
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ReplyDeleteRed Line Report March 2007 on the quality of the 2007 draft.
ReplyDeleteAlso note, he had Plante at 14 and Nash at 17.
Jon K: Yes I can.
ReplyDeleteOut of the 14 guys with more than 4 points under their GP in the first round (couting 31 as pretty much a 1st rounder), there's been only 4 NHL regulars. (In the last decade)
Sutter, Setoguchi, Grabner and Fehr.
A low conversion rate, and the reward ain't great. Shooting yourself in the foot
Note that's it's CHL/USHL exclusively.
ReplyDeleteThis may come as a shock to you FPB, but you're not going to have many PPG players available at 31, (so your inclusion of 31 with the rest of the first round makes no sense as they would be more readily available there), and the ones that will be available will likely also be on your trap list.
ReplyDeleteOkay. When did this trend of attaching arbitrary and irrelevant qualifiers become proof?
ReplyDeleteWhat is the difference between a player who scores 3 points under his games played and 4 points?
What is the difference between a player who scores 4 points under his games played who was drafted in the first round and one who is drafted in later rounds?
I don't understand.
Spoiler: According to what list you trust, you could find interesting guys like Phillips down there, or Euros.
ReplyDeleteThere's always a guy with good scoring hanging in there. (Subban, Elliot, Pitlick etc)
Jon K: None. Just that the guys in the 1st round are supposed to be the ''Cream'' of that type of players. And if the ''Cream'' has a very bad success rate, the rest shouldn't be better.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that the line is arbitrary doesn't demean the fact that the guys who get in that range have a bad success %. Sure you get your odd fellow or two. But it's gambling.
Jfry/FPB: Do you both consider 38-35-9 to be a "winning record" too? That'll be the proof in the pudding the league's got you fooled.
ReplyDeleteBring on the "three-point must" system and parity will still be there. The same numbers of teams will be in with a shot at the end, and while the separation might appear greater they could also make up ground with regulation wins. Whereas now a 4 - or 5-point deficit looks close, but it's very hard to make up ground when your opponents are playing 3-point games.
I don't mind economic benefits, but not at the expense of the game's competitive integrity. Sorry, to me two teams both hanging on to the same tie score to take a game to overtime because it benefits them while screwing over the 13 conference rivals who are not playing is wrong on all sorts of levels, including the entertainment of the people paying to watch.
From 1990 to 1999:
ReplyDeleteShawn Antoski (No NHL GP)
Alex Stojanov (7 points in 107 GP)
Jason Bowen (8 Points in 77 GP)
Brett Lindros (7 Points in 51 GP)
Wade Belak (33 Points in 550 GP)
Chris Dingman (34 points in 385 GP)
Brad Church (2 GP)
Boyd Deveraux (179 points in 627 GP)
Jonathan Aitken (1 Point in 44 GP)
Matt Higgins (3 Points in 57 GP)
Ty Jones (14 GP)
Mike Brown (3 points in 34 GP)
Manny Malhotra (260 points in 770 GP)
Michael RUpp (89 Points in 500 GP)
Scott Parker (21 points in 300 GP)
Mendoza line.
From 2000 to 2007 (Stopped there:
ReplyDeleteNikita Alexeev (37 points in 159 GP)
Marcel Hossa (61 points in 237 GP)
Nathan Smith (0 Points in 26 GP)
Steve Ott (181 Points in 492 GP)
Brian Sutherby (90 Points in 460 GP)
Jakub Klepis (14 Points in 64 GP)
Boyd Gordon (85 Points in 363 GP)
Daniel Paille (109 Points in 300 GP)
Ben Eager (69 Points in 329 GP)
Eric Fehr (93 points in 230 GP)
Kyle Chipchura (28 Points in 163 GP)
Devin Setoguchi (159 Points in 267 GP)
Brandon Sutter (75 Points in 200 GP)
Colton GIllies (8 Points in 52 GP)
Logan Macmillan (No NHL GP)
Michael Grabner (63 Points in 96 GP)
2 Chances out of 31 (6%)to get a guy with more than 0,5 PPG in the NHL
fpb
ReplyDeletewhat did Lucic score in his draft year?
were you alive when Mike Krushelnyski played for the Oilers?
I am not saying to draft these types of players with the first overall pick for craps sakes. My point is we need a power forward who can play in the top 6 with some grit and toughness. Look in the playoffs how Lucic is getting Kesler and Burrows intimidated. Whenever the Oilers want to be good, they need a player with enough skill to play at the same time as Hall and RNH who can also protect them, like Ryan Malone, Scott Hartnell etc. That is what I am projecting Biggs and Saad to be.
By the way, in the first half of the season Saad was well over a point a game then played with a groin injury the rest of the season. He went into the season a consensus top ten pick but this injury and the long OHL season he was not used to really wore him down. He was compared to iginla going into the season. Big fast tough excellent shot.
your arbitrary stats are so freaking annoying and ridiculous I don't know why you bother.
How was James Neal in his draft year? Lucic ? Hartnell? Malone? Ryan Clowe? Penner wasn't even drafted. Big players often take longer to develop. All were well below 9 points/per game.
Yet these are the best power forwards in the NHL today.
fpb
ReplyDeletealso, note I said with 31. they won't be there at 61.
All the players I mentioned were drafted late and turned out later.
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ReplyDeleteOilersfan: You just made the case for not drafting Saad.
ReplyDeleteHow many JFJ is there for a Neal? As my list proposed : A shiton. Drafting those kinda guys assuming they will be the 5% with your N31 is stupid at best. Neal was sold for shit. You probably could snap him for N31 +
It's a crapshoot with PF really. Draft a lot of big guys late in the draft.
I guess your ''projections'' are not arbitrary. Well guess what : They are.
The ''arbitrary'' line in the sand makes a case for herself. Guys who don't score a lot in Junior, just don't translate a lot. It's at a rate where you're better to trade off that pick for that type of guy instead.
I think it would be really interesting to get two people from this blog (or one from another blog) to do a head-to-head live draft on draft weekend. With one person's picks based solely on math and another's based on solely on "saw him good" or viewings on TV/live/video. Have them each pick in real-time at each of the Oilers positions throughout the draft.
ReplyDeleteThen save the results for comparison.
How can we make that happen, LT? Get 'er done!
1) Tambellini musing about trading the #1 is more a ruse to scope out possibilities for trading up from #19.
ReplyDelete2) Colorado has no reason to trade up from #2.
3) I'd be okay using the #19 and #31 in a deal for Carter but not the #1 (nor Hall, Paajarvi, Eberle).
@ speeds
ReplyDeleteMostly I can't stand that thought of taking on Campbell's contract. It's utterly putrid. Losing Whitney really hurts as far as silled NHLers with leadership and experience - without him it seems to me like the only guy who fits that group is horcoff, and some question the skilled nhler tag. Seems like a giant gamble on magic beans.
I like the concept of moving guys out with picks to move up/acquire more picks as well as trading down for the same reason. Seems like a good year to make those kinds of moves. Picking up #8 if its available would be money. If Mika's moved into the conversation with the other top 8, you're guaranteed a reasonable option with the pick.
I guess there's just a few pieces that you move that I would keep, as well as pieces you take on that I would stay the hell away from. If Commodore's off-ice persona is as much like Raffi's as I've gotten the impression it is, he's not a guy I'd want anywhere around our young guys. If you're buying him out after, I'm cool with that, but that seems kinda back-asswards.
@ Bruce
They'd do it if we threw something else in to make it worthwhile. Maybe it's 31, maybe it's Gilbert, and maybe it's something else. My only point was that you don't trade that pick unless you get a guarantee of getting RNH.
@ FPB
Been very impressed with the research you're putting into your posts FPB. The quality of your posts has improved greatly, and I want to offer Kudos.
i'd be happy with one of RNH/Couturier and Landeskog
ReplyDeleteEberle is the official TSN Play of the Year Champ. Good on the kid. Sorry if it has already been mentioned.
ReplyDeleteI saw Ebs' goal in hotel room in Sycamous (I think it was) with a couple of my hockey draft pals. I immediately declared it the Goal of the Year. One of them scoffed, the other was too busy being excited to care. But it was pure fucking quality, just a spine-tingling goal.
ReplyDeleteFirst NHL game. Even the Great One didn't do that.
CBJ talk about interest in Jeff Carter and also talking to the Oilers about the 8OV pick.
ReplyDeletehttp://blog.dispatch.com/cbj/2011/06/carter_dudley_and_more.shtml
Tks Dennis
ReplyDeleteMy only question re this "The Oilers, in the second year of a massive youth movement, are said to be trying to unload defenseman Tom Gilbert."
is WHY?
We are so talented on the back end these days that Gilbert's disposable? WTF?
Is this the Stanley Cup Finals or the Giveaway Cup Finals?
ReplyDelete#sloppyplay
I'm okay with taking on the 8th pick as long as Tambellini is committed to taking the best player available. I would hate to see Hemsky/Gilbert or another good part move only to take a d-man outside that top 8 if somehow Larsson, Hamilton and Murphy are off the board.
ReplyDeleteCBC just brought up Carter again, but now that I've looked at my numbers I stand by my prediction that Carter won't move. Getting rid of one of Carle/Coburn should be easy (the Oilers should be all over that if they shop either one) and then all they have to do is dump Versteeg on someone.
Yeah, the writing wasn't clear as to the return: did the Oilers not want to give up 83? Or would CBJ not take him because of injury concerns? If so, then who would they want?
ReplyDeleteThe only thing clear was the Oilers trying to move 77.
Right now the Jackets look like a team to be taken advantage of. They've made the playoffs once and the org's bleeding money and a top 10 pick looks less attractive to a team that's sick of trying to build.
Recchi on the ice in the dying seconds... really?
ReplyDeleteRed Line Top 10 Forwards is out:
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Congratulations Dennis. You were the first person I thought of when I heard that Manitoba was moving to St. John's.
ReplyDeleteSpoiler: LoL At Miller in the 6th spot.
ReplyDeleteGuy's in the 5% zone.
RLR seems to go way off the board on some players.
Yes, because you're the expert FPB. By the way, it was evident from the articke that this was not a mock draft.
ReplyDeleteThats a better spin on a rumour,.. that columbus is interested in Carter.. Makes more sense for them to pick carter up than the oilers.. (I think that because the window in Columbus, not to win the SC but to merely compete in the PO, is with Nash.. drafting a centre, which may or may not pan out, will take too much time at this point..
ReplyDeleteGo for it Columbus,.. go get him if he is available (Been plenty of solid arguments why philly doesnt nec need to offload)
Cheers all,
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ReplyDeleteSPoiler: Numbers speak for themselves.
ReplyDelete5% chance that J.T Miller does more than 0,5 PPG in the NHL.
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