Gabriel Landeskog offers us an interesting study in draft strategy. Although he doesn't have the offensive resume that others possess, Landeskog has a nice range of skills and is more developed physically. Landeskog is unlikely to win any scoring championships, but he might end up doing more to help your team win than several of the higher ranked players. At a guess, the top 4 might go RNH, Huberdeau, Couturier and Larsson. Should that happen, I suspect the NY Islanders could get a king's ransom for that #5 overall selection.
Kirk Luedeke: "You have to look long and hard for any flaws in Landeskog's game, and his character, intelligence and attitude are beyond his years as an 18-year-old who had his birthday in November. Landeskog is not huge- only about 6-0/6-1 but is a very stout 205 pounds and has a lot of upper- and lower-body strength. He's a good skater who isn't a blazer, but does have nice jump and can separate. He's very strong on his skates and uses that lower leg drive to go right to the net, fight off defenders and make things happen in close. He can fire the puck off the rush, but while his drive is heavy, it's not all that overpowering, so he does his best work between the hashmarks."
ISS describes him as a gritty, hard working heart and soul type player who also happens to have electrifying offensive ability.
Landeskog's offense is perhaps best expressed by comparing his EV scoring with the four CHL centermen at the top of the draft:
- Jonathan Huberdeau 67gp, 27-43-70 1.04
- Ryan Strome 65gp, 22-42-64 .985
- Sean Couturier 58gp, 23-32-55 .948
- Gabriel Landeskog 53gp, 24-23-47 .887
- Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 69gp, 20-27-47 .681
NHL Central Scouting’s Peter Sullivan: "Gabriel does remind me of former Kitchener Ranger (and Philadelphia Flyers captain) Mike Richards. He sticks up for his teammates and is as strong at both ends of the rink as any player in the draft this year. He competes as hard if not harder than anybody. He's got all the assets that you need to be a team leader and, for a potential No. 1 overall, that's what you would want."
NHL Central Scouting's Chris Edwards: “He is a good-size guy who is solid on his skates, not afraid to take the puck to the net or battle for it along the boards. His skating is very good in all areas. He plays the game with so much passion, he plays the game hard, he's a great mentor for players that are younger and older, maturity beyond his years. (He) doesn't need one game in the American league next year -- he should step right into the NHL. I think the team that gets him next year is going to get a player that helps them win a Stanley Cup.”

Would it be fair to say this is your "Jordan Staal" of the draft?
ReplyDeleteTheres a debate going on at HF on Landeskog vs Schenn. IMO, Schenn is a much superior prospect, but it seems that most think Landeskog. What do people here think?
ReplyDeleteI'd put Landeskog as number 1 in this draft any given day.
ReplyDeleteI would bet a loonie that Colorado is taking him at #2 to play with and to protect Duschene.
ReplyDeleteEffectively ppted for Erik Johnson and Landeskog over Stewart and Larsson.
Love the gin blossom on the B's anthem guy. So much better than having the pop-douche of the week sing them.
ReplyDeleteNo.
ReplyDeleteTo me the Landeskog seems like the lowest ceiling out of the big four or five. (Couturier, RNH, Larsson, Huberdeau)
ReplyDeleteI think he gets more love for his "balls to the walls" mentality and play but the offense isn't there and the potential of him being broken a lot looks possible.
Landeskog is a great interview--no discernible accent whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of interviews, I also like the Nuge--he sounds so relaxed, you'd think he just woke up. Groggy almost.
As for "Jordan Staal" of this draft, I've heard his name tied to a comp for Couturier. Couturier being described as "Jordan Staal with more skill."
For all of the worry over the Avs critique of Couturier--no mention that Corry Perry and Ryan Getzlaf's names were thrown around as comps. :p
ReplyDeleteLoved all the Zapruder talk too. I don't think the Avs will draft Couturier for the record. :P
ISS compares him to Mike Richards.
ReplyDeleteI don't get the Richards comparison at all, other than they both have a win at all cost attitude. One's an up and down winger and the other is a two-way center. I see a lot of Ethan Moreau in Landeskog, he might score more, and hopefully he comes without the sense of entitlement.
ReplyDeleteI still like the thought of drafting Landeskog and moving Paajarvi to C.
Yes Bruins. Come on baby!
ReplyDeleteGillis has lodged a complaint with the league.Says it's unfair the Bruins are shooting pucks too small.Has requested they use beach balls but would settle for volleyballs.
ReplyDeleteHe gets compared to Richards, but I think he's like Mike Ricci if he played the wing (though Richards and Ricci are also similar). I don't remember the 1990 draft all that well, but I seem to recal Ricci was a guy who many thought could go 1st overall that year.
ReplyDeleteI think he's going to be a guy in the Dustin Brown range.
ReplyDeleteA 30-30-60 PF on your top 6, who can lay out good hits.
I'm enjoying the Kesler/Burrows shit show. Love to see guys hurt their team when it matters most.
ReplyDeleteBurrows is a dirt bag - good on Thomas there.
ReplyDeleteWell, this makes the sweep a little more difficult.
ReplyDeleteFunny how things have gone to hell for the C*ntnucks ever since that Rome hit on Horton.
ReplyDeleteI do believe the hockey gods know the meaning of "karma". Keep it up Boston....
Boston just needs to keep the shit show going. Vancouver doesn't know what to do with themselves when they actually have to back shit up. Good on Boston for rallying, they looked done after game 2.
ReplyDeleteAt that size/weight/style, are we going to get a proper look at what Gilbert Brule might have developed into? GL gets more praise for his character than I remember GB getting but the descriptions can't be that far off.
ReplyDeleteOr is my mind playing tricks on me?
LT:
ReplyDeleteI am sure even that Canuck announcer might have finally come to that conclusion.
Actually think the series changed as soon as Hamhuis got hurt. He is there shutdown glue and made Bieksa better defensively
ReplyDeleteDo not think there is any comparison between Brûlé and Landeskog.
Yeah, Vancouver losing Hamhuis was huge. They lost their warden and now the inmates are loose.
ReplyDeleteCharacter time for the Canucks.
ReplyDeleteLOL
just posted views on 2-2 series on blog this hour
ReplyDeleteSeriously, what if canucks blow this year
ReplyDelete2-2 down haha
0-2 in last 2 finals appearances,
1- 8
0- 4
LOL
I'm predicting a 6 game series win for Boston.
ReplyDeletePoll up on CBC on who should play goal for the Canucks on Friday.
ReplyDeleteNo surprise Scneider is in front.Kirk MacLean in second,Luongo in third.
This Chris Edwards seems to be stretching Landeskog's abilities alot:
ReplyDelete"Doesn't need 1 game in the AHL...Will help a team win the Stanley cup next year"
There are very few 18-19 year olds that couldn't use some time in the A, and isn't he too young to play in the A next year anyways?
He's linking him to winning a cup already?
Not sure I'd use any more quotes from this guy LT, he sounds like Pendergrast.
Taylor Hall said Landeskog is the most NHL-ready player in the draft.
ReplyDeleteHow does one access your blog, Hunter?
ReplyDeleteNever mind found it.
ReplyDelete@SK Oiler Fan: Not only did you misquote the man you also misunderstood him (at least in my opinion).
ReplyDelete"[...] he should step right into the NHL. I think the team that gets him next year is going to get a player that helps them win a Stanley Cup."
This means that they are getting a guy who is an important piece of a winning team, who could help a team compete and maybe even win a Cup down the line. Is that next year? 5 years? 20 years from now? He never specified and he never implied it either.
Next year means the year after they draft him he is their property, of course.
Has there any guys with such low scoring successful right off the bat? Unless you plan him to be a 3rd liner...
ReplyDeleteFPB: your English gone not good so much tonight. :)
ReplyDeleteFPB:
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work. You're my fave poster. You speak your mind.
TSN reports that Chris Drury will be bought out by the Rangers. Is this a good player to chase for the Oil on a 1 or 2 yr deal? Just thinkin outl loud...
ReplyDeletehttp://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=368345
ReplyDeleteRangers are buying out Drury.
Would it make sense for the oilers to trade souray for drury? we have the cap space, the buy our for souray is less than drury. Oilers get a 4th line centre/character guy for 500k in real money.
I don't see the downside.
The Rangers are also speculated to be buying out Wojtec Wolski as well, to fuel a push for Brad Richards. Perhaps a call to Glen Sather to ask him to instead waive both players, as we will have waiver priority, we get them at half price (Wolski @ 1.9 M cap hit for 1 yr, Drury @ 3.5M cap hit for 1 yr), Rangers reduce cap hit for similar amount to a buyout without the bad karma of a buyout... just wondering... any thoughts?
ReplyDelete@CM - Souray's Cap Hit is 5.4 million, so the Rangers don't save much by buying him out instead of Drury.
ReplyDelete@Tim - The Rangers are on the hook for 50% of Drury's salary if we claim him on re-entry waivers. They save more money next year if they buy him out. If we claimed him on waivers straight-up, the Rangers would certainly prefer that, but would we? Better to let him go to free agency after the buy out and if we really want him, sign him to as low a contract as he'll take. He may have to come here, it's not like Cup Contenders are going to be lining up for him.
Which begs the ultimate question... do we want him? And why?
@CM - Sorry, for some reason I thought Drury's cap hit was $5.5 million, but it's $7 million. In that case, the Rangers would in fact save money by buying out Souray vs. Drury. Souray's Buy-Out Cap Hit for the next two seasons is $2.4 & $1.5 while Drury's is $3.7 & $1.7
ReplyDeleteI like Landeskog. The guy is from Sweden and was Captain of his team. How many players from Europe are Captains in the AHL/WHL/Q?
ReplyDeleteSeems like a leader to me with some offensive skills. Not sure I would pick him at #1 though... #3 on, absolutely.
I like the Dustin Brown comparison. The Oilers could use him, (and all other top 10 players lol) but hes not a Centre, plus I think its obvious we're taking RNH. (but I like Couturier a lot too)
Do not think there is any comparison between Brûlé and Landeskog.
ReplyDeleteDepending on your reasons for saying so, I expect you're right. A guy's size and his projected place in the draft are a bit tenuous similarities for me to infer comparisons from. I haven't watched much of GL and as a result make no claims to know his actual playing style. That said, we do have to remember just how highly Brule was regarded too.
anyone see the Lowe comments today about the possibility of the Oilers drafting his son?
ReplyDelete“I’m torn,” said former Oilers captain and five-time Cup winner Kevin Lowe, who hasn’t told Oilers chief scout Stu MacGregor to take a pass on Keegan, who made large strides this season with partner Mark Pysyk, the recently signed Buffalo Sabres 2010 first-round draft pick.
“The downside is the stress and challenges of being who he is but, to some extent, he’s lived with that already, although junior hockey isn’t pro hockey,” said Kevin, who was the Oilers’ first first-round pick, 21st overall in 1979 in a phone draft, and also scored the Oilers’ first goal.
“I know good things are going to happen with this organization in the upcoming years, so it would be a great place for a young kid to be,” said Kevin. “As a father, I would want him to be part of the Oilers’ development world.
“I’m not going to worry about it too much. I’m not going to tell the Oilers not to draft Keegan. If he fits, he fits. I want the Oilers to treat Keegan like anybody else. I don’t think they (the scouts) would give me a heads-up. I’ve seen our draft list. But I don’t think I’ll be at the draft table. I’ll be sitting up with Keegan (in the seats).”
Kevin said Keegan “plays a lot like I did as a junior. He’s a better skater than I was. I think he’ll be bigger than I was (Keegan will be 190 pounds this upcoming season). He’s already fought more than I did in junior.
“He has a lot of characteristics that could fill a void in our organization the last few years, a guy who has some grit.”
So, yeah, that's likely to happen.
Saw that same article, threw up in my mouth. Kevin won't tell Edmonton not to take Keegan. Kevin won't tell Edmonton not to take Keegan. Kevin will tell Edmonton to take Keegan?
ReplyDelete#nepotism
Showerhead
ReplyDeleteBrule was highly rated, highly touted and very skilled. His problem is, in part, that he plays a physical game and his body is simply not capable of cashing those cheques.
Landeskog is a power forward 17 year old captain of hiis junior team. He is a very thick body and regularly cashes cheques his body is writing. Everyone is saying he does not score like the other top prospects. That is true but at 5 on 5 he is even with the best of them. Guess that means he does fine on his own, just does not overfeast on the PP. Does that translate to the next level?
Can we please not blast a guy for something that hasn't even happened yet?
ReplyDeleteIf they take Lowe in the third/fourth round(where he's projected), big deal.
Now of they take him at 31, then be pissed. Until then give it a rest, please.
Its: anything else I'm not allowed to do or think aloud regarding?
ReplyDeleteI'm just checking before I offend you.
Can I bring up the Seguin/Hall thing again, as we are close to the draft table and I don't want to see the Oil make another mistake like last year. Seguin has had limited exposure this year but it is evident that he is playing better in the Cup Final then Hall did during the regular season.
ReplyDeleteThe biggest example is him not turning the puck over an multiple shifts a game and when he does have the puck he is making smart plays and good secisions. Heck, without his performance in the TB series Boston might not even be in the finals.
He might not be as fast as Hall but every other part of his game is better.
So, here's my draft thought. Trade the first overall for Seguin and trade the other first round pick to move up and get Larrson.
I'm more than fine with us picking 4 last June but I would certainly trade 1OV 2011 for Seguin.
ReplyDeleteBut I can't imagine why the B's make that move.
Recchi's a decent shot to retire and Ryder most likely won't be back so there will be lots of TOI for Seguin come 2011 and they'll need him to fill it.
Yeah, the regular season doesn't matter at all. Plus Hall is notorious for choking on the big stages. He'd probably suck in the playoffs.
ReplyDelete-Drury signed with the New York Rangers, on July 1, 2007, to a five-year, $35.25 million contract
ReplyDeleteBrutal, just brutal some of those contracts. Boy the player agents are quiet when stuff like this happens.
Clarify, "stuff like this happens", meaning the buyout of Drury.
ReplyDeleteCoaching: still way too early to be making definitive statements about whether Hall or Seguin is turning out better. They both have things going for them: Seguin's playing an important role on a Cup finalist (and hopefully Cup-winning) team and Hall drove the bus on the worst team in the league. Given the peculiarities of their seasons (Hall getting injured, Seguin not cracking the lineup) it's hilariously premature to be making such sweeping statements.
ReplyDeleteAs for your trade idea, I think most of us would take Seguin over RNH right now (we'll see about a real comparison in 4-6 years), but no way Boston takes that. I also don't see how even Hemsky + 19th gets us to where we'd need to be to get Larsson.
Dennis: no one's saying you can't take a vague quote and turn it into a certain declaration of nepotism, I think itsaleaf was just (wisely) pointing out that such conclusions are premature. There's no way Stu and Tambellini would let Lowe screw up their draft boards by taking Keegan really early - it'll reflect bad on them for the future. Moreover, if Lowe loves his kid, he wouldn't want the insane expectations that would bring.
A proud father talking about his kid's upside when asked isn't remarkable. We can criticize the current management for enough REAL flaws, there's no point in fabricating new hypotheticals to get mad about!
I'm not doubting that Seguin has had a great playoffs in the limited games he's played, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's played better in those few games than Hall has through the regular season.
ReplyDeleteCertainly Hall needs to work on many aspects of his game, but part of the reason Seguin isn't turning the puck over as much as Hall is because he's getting less minutes with less pressure on him to produce. He's not the top winger for the Bruins and they're not giving him those minutes, nor those match-ups. That's probably a better way to handle a prospect instead of turning him to the wolves, but comparing high-intensity, high-emotion, limited sample-size, limited minutes, better teammates Seguin to regular season first line minutes, toughest match-ups Hall isn't a fair comparison.
Is Hall better than Seguin or vice-versa? We'll know in a few years. So far, I don't think there's enough convincing evidence to say the Oilers made the wrong choice. I would argue that there's evidence that the Oilers made, at the very least, a good choice.
...or, you know, what Cactus said.
ReplyDeleteTOJ: I looked up some of Brule's scouting reports from his draft year. I seem to have overestimated his size - the Associated Press calls him 5'10, 180lbs on draft day - while underestimating Landeskog's. Also, the styles described do seem significantly different.
ReplyDeleteAs for ES vs PP scoring, it's always been my assumption (maybe unproven, maybe based on what folks like MC79 or Vic have written, I can't remember) that ES scoring is more consistent on a year-over-year basis. Without TOI or shooting percentage it's a bit of a fool's game to look at the numbers in a vacuum but yeah, I'd guess that Landeskog takes a solid amount of his even strength offense forward with him.
Fun fact: I was looking through something I wrote at Irreverent Oil Fans years ago in which I looked at a whole bunch of strong NHL ES scorers who didn't get much PP ice time. My guess back then was that these guys just needed the opportunity, maybe they were buried underneath better powerplay performers but would excel if ever given the chance. I remember Torres being an example of this on that deeper Oiler team of the mid 00's.
Turns out I was flat wrong, in almost every case. Not one of them went on to powerplay success in any real way.
Think last year I leaned to Sequin because I feared Hall's play could lead to injuries. I quite like the Hall pick today. Think he could develop into a 40 goal scorer and has mindset to be a leader on a good team. I would not switch pick if given opportunity today.
ReplyDeleteWould trade #1 this year for Sequin today in a heart beat
Agree completely...... until Oilers pick Keegan Lowe in the 2nd or 3rd round we need not say a thing.
Also, re: nepotism...
ReplyDelete...I get it. Nothing has happened at this point other than a proud father and a proud organization man thinking out loud. I also agree that if Edmonton ends up with Keegan through any pick after #31 then hey, it might even be a good choice.
There's a fair bit of logic in what everyone has said but if you can read that article without just a little part of you getting the "here we go again" feeling, I don't know what to say.
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ReplyDeleteKeegan Lowe:
ReplyDelete2-22-24 +33. Highest +- on the OilKings.
A team that finished 14th out of 22 WHL teams while having a combined -3.
I'm okay with him in the 3rd-4th round. I don't like d-man with no scoring, but it seems sometimes all it takes is a guy who can skate, to make the light go on.
Keegan Lowe is the 88th ranked NA skater by ISS. He shot up the rankings from 151st at midseason. That ranking and the fact that he wasn't invited to the combine suggest that he's a 4th/5th round pick.
ReplyDeleteThe scout that covered him this season is likely the one that found Bunz and Davidson last season, so I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt if he thinks Lowe is worth taking.
hemsyce - the precision of a seeing eye pass from Hemsky; or specialist exercises to help Hemsky as yet another part of his body breaks down
OT: Draft combine has Hamilton's hieght the same as Oleksiak - 6'6.5" He's grown a ton. Does that kind of boost push him into the top 5? Top 3?
ReplyDeleteGiant defensemen with mobility who can do everything > Regular sized Defensemen w/mobility who can do everything, no?
If the Oilers are going to move up, I want them to get this kid. If he's around at 4 or 5, offer those east-coasters the moon. I think he'll be worth it.
Seguin has a whopping one point in 8 games since his monster game.
ReplyDeleteId hardly say it clear that he's better than taylor hall. Wow..
SH: exactly.
ReplyDeleteExactly.
And I said it was "likely" to happen; not that it would:)
Grab Couturier and Hamilton. Quick. Tall trees with skill.
ReplyDelete'Would trade #1 this year for Sequin today in a heart beat"
ReplyDeletethank the lord you aren't the GM
"Would trade #1 this year for Sequin today in a heart beat"
ReplyDeletethank the lord you aren't the GM
Worst pun in the world on the way...
...but at least we would finally have the league's craftiest GM!
*bows*
*gets escorted out of the room by a cane*
Seguin's TOI is running about 7-8 mins per game presumably against advantageous matchups and some PP time in there, so I concur with the two dissenting opinions above... let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here!
ReplyDeleteSH
ReplyDeletethose were some sparkling words
*runs from rotten fruit*
Max
ReplyDelete"Thank the Lordyou are not the Gm"
Piss off..... Wait, in the kinder, gentler world of Lowetide's friendlier Blogspot....... I believe that we agree to disagree.!!
I can see where you would REALLY want the GM you have. 30th overall. Twice!!! Once trying to win,spending to the cap and once....who knows, although today management is softly selling we were always trying to tank c/w $7 million in AHL. So while you may not like me as a GM while you are chatting with the Lord see if he can find us a real GM
Sequin was a very near choice as 1st overall to an absolutely exceptional junior- Hall. Arguably one of the best junior careers in the last 25 years. I did not suggest him for what he has done in the playoffs, but for how tough he made last years selection against a Stud- Hall. It would be akin to RNH being in the mix at 1st OV if Couturier had thrown up 150 points this year. Sequin made the best (or 2nd best team in the NHL) as a 19 year old. Believe conventional wisdom is RNH slated to spend additional year in junior.
Only question you should ask yourself is: would Chiarelli make the trade?