In 1971's playoffs, he scored the most important goal of the entire season, went on a tirade that got the Habs coach fired, and unlike the other grey haired Habs, chose not to retire that summer.
1971 was a very interesting spring for hockey fans. Boston's Bruins were the defending champions, but Montreal had a secret weapon in Ken Dryden. Although NHL history shows Montreal did win the Stanley, it was anything but a smooth spring.
Among the quotes that made headlines during the Stanley Cup playoffs, 1971 spring:
- Al MacNeil (coach): "I have no comment on my decision to bench John Ferguson." (Ferguson had fallen well down the depth chart by the mid-point of the playoffs and this particular quote came after Fergie was benched in favor of tiny speedster Bobby Sheehan. Ferguson spent the game in question on the bench, slamming his stick, yelling at MacNeil and finally leaving the bench after the Minnesota North Stars had scored their 6th goal of the night).
- Henri Richard: "(MacNeil) is incompetent. The worst coach I've ever played for."
The interesting thing about that time in Montreal history is how Sam Pollock handled the summer. He moved Al MacNeil to the AHL where he would coach the incoming prospects, hired Scotty Bowman to run the big club and protected both Jean Beliveau and John Ferguson from the Intra-League draft even though both players had retired. At the amateur draft that summer, Pollock called the names of Guy Lafleur, Larry Robinson, Chuck Arnason and Murray Wilson (among others). He plucked L Yvon Lambert from Port Huron (IHL) in the reverse draft.
By the time Bowman arrived as coach in the fall, two of the biggest names in Habs history (Beliveau and Ferguson) were gone, but Lafleur had arrived as the future and the club didn't miss a beat. Boston would win the 1972 Stanley but the seeds were in place for Montreal's incredible romp through the 1970's.
And much of the foundation was formed during those playoffs with a long forgotten coach. The rookies Al MacNeil introduced to cause such a stir among the veterans? Rejean Houle (who by then was a better 2-way player than Ferguson), Marc Tardif (an outstanding offensive winger), Peter Mahovlich (a huge center just starting to establish himself as the player we remember) and Phil Roberto (a highly ranked winger who didn't develop).
I don't think Al MacNeil made the wrong decision, but the Montreal Canadiens veterans had a difficult time accepting their new roles. It took Montreal about 5 minutes to re-tool. That's depth.

It's easy to re-stock when the rules are bent in your favour. 6 goals not games, btw lol.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure if the Leafs got first dibs on any player from Ontario they would have had some nice depth in the 70s as well ;).
ReplyDeleteI've heard reference to the Habs getting a French pick, but can't find any reference. COuld someone point me in the right direction?
ReplyDeleteThe Habs getting dibs on Quebec is basically gospel. May as well ask for a link proving gravity or whether or not the earth goes around the sun.
ReplyDeleteSuntory...
ReplyDeleteNHL History 67-80 under the heading Rules and Innovations, sub-heading "Entry Draft".
Sunny, the league teams finally voted to end Montreal's BS rule after they snatched Houle & Tardif.
ReplyDeletePollock was a clever man and also worked the expansion draft to benefit the Canadiens while the other teams got picked apart.
It's easy to win when your team has the rules stacked on their terms. That's why I pay no attention to Montreal fans when they spout off about how great their history of winning is.
That's not to say Pollock didn't do things that other GMs could have as well, such as the whole Backstrom trade...clever clever man. I just find any Habs fan that spouts off about their rich history of superiority insufferable.
Smarmy: Oh no, it was a rule. Two kids with French Canadian fathers right off the top.
ReplyDeletespoiler, i can't get your link to work
ReplyDeleteHere's an article on it from the time, just read around where Houle's name is highlighted and it's all spelled out.
ReplyDeletehttp://news.google.com/newspapers?id=quVUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=sTwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1577,2523712&dq=rejean+houle+draft&hl=en
ReplyDeleteSo what you're saying is Renney should go back to OKC and MacT should return????
ReplyDeleteI'd be fine with that.
ReplyDeleteAhhhh. The Regina Leader Post, ads from the old downtown Simpson's store, (best Christmas window displays ever), and Woolco references. Brings back many old memories. All thats missing is a Johnny Sandison shot and that crappy old CKCK song that used to air on tv 12 times a day...."folks that til the soil, and drill for oil....they watch ckck tv"...weeee
ReplyDeleteDennis: What needs to happen is we win the Cup and then Renney goes down to OKC.
ReplyDelete40 years later, I'm still stunned that Al MacNeil took the job. What a slap in the face.
Bruce: Well when you get ditched by a man with 11 rings, it's probable you won't have a job anywhere else.
ReplyDeleteSuntory, sorry, it is probably a mobile link...
ReplyDeleteHere's the regular Wikipedia entry.
Yes, what could be better than the talent-crushing never developed a single solitary offensive player in 8 -9 seasons MacT.
ReplyDeleteRenney isn't Scotty Bowman, but he's allowing the talent to develop.
Oh right. MacT has/had cancer so we should all be feeling sorry for him.
For eff sake, that's not working either. This is the link:
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_National_Hockey_League_(1967%E2%80%931992)
While we all want MacT back, I vote wholeheartedly for Kevin Lowe to get a lifetime contract as GM.
ReplyDeleteWith a bottle of whisky delivered to his desk every morning, lol.
On the subject of winning the Stanley and then being replaced - this Niemi guy isn't too shabby.
ReplyDeleteKevin Paul Dupont's (HOF hockey guy for the Boston Globe) rant today about Montreal's diving is well worth reading:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/articles/2011/05/01/a_couple_of_bad_actors_bring_canadiens_down/?page=full
I agree with LT I would welcome MacT back as coach. Would have thought the last 2 years would clarify IN SPADES that MacT and his staff was not the problem. I forgot ...... we were trying for worse in the league 2 years in a row!!! Or was that 3 years?
ReplyDeleteNow to put the Pocket Rockets statement in context, that may still not have been such an insult to Al McNeil because Henri did not play for any other bad coaches.
Sam Pollock was playing chess and the other GM's were playing checkers.
Guess rebuilds today just take 4-5 years or at least it takes some people 5 years
Good stuff Marc. That stuff I saw them pulling wasn't the Habs of old.
ReplyDeleteThe amount of diving going on they might have made a Vancouver Canuck blush. (Well maybe not)
Marc: That's a laughable article.
ReplyDeleteSome guy gets hurt and he acts like he's faking himself into letting a 3 on 2.
That's beyond stupid.
And that's certainly out of place from such a vicious team. From a team who's got 2 guys severly concussed, and one who begins to lose short term memory, getting game misconducts for boarding, and elbowing someone without the puck for an extended period of time, it's not acceptable.
Hence: I think some guy should look in the mirror, before calling someone ''a travesty''.
My idea of a travesty is that goofball play-by-play guy for the Bruins who was giving it to Hamrlik for diving right while play was still in progress. Looked to be like Hamrlik took a stick in the throat.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if it's possible to be any more unprofessional than that. What a fucking douchebag.
Bruce: Or compare a Bruins W to the american revolution.
ReplyDeleteReading anyone defending anything the Habs do makes cringe.
ReplyDeleteWhen reading it on an Oilers blog it makes me vomit.
That's all I got today.
The Coming of the Dryden seemed to signify a changing of the guard among goalies.
ReplyDeleteGone was the half-blind Johnny Bower aka The China Wall... and the Hockey World had just witnessed the tragic fluke end to Sawchuk's life, the greatest goalie ever to play at that time. Glenn Hall would hang up the skates in 1971 at 40 and Jacques Plante would be forced to stretch out his career in the upstart WHA with your Edmonton Oilers. The Gump would play out the string in Minnesota, pretending the whole time that teams didn't fly from game to game.
Guys from the sixtes like Tony O, Vachon and Parent would carry the standard for a while, but it sure seemed like the Golden Age of Goalers had come to an end. We wouldn't see another cluster like that till the 80s with Fuhr, Vernon, Roy, Moog etc.
I know Dupont's a respected guy but here of late I've been seeing a lot of journalists aligning themselves with the local team and embarrassing themselves in the process.
ReplyDeleteEdwards is a bonafide clown but the young frenchman here is way too young to remember what an absolute fucking stooge Dick Irvin Jr was.
Any save by Roy was labelled a great one and so on and so on.
And Hughson - to his discredit - reached those levels in G7 of the Hawks series by proclaiming "robbery by Roberto" when a shot from 40 feet hit Luongo square in the fucking mask.
and reading the Chi papers was tough to take as well.
so this piece from Dupont is symptomatic of a much bigger issue.
Oh, good grief, you just lived through decades of Rod Phillips who was likely the biggest "homer" broadcaster of the modern era.
ReplyDeleteAs skilled as he was, and as great a guy as he was, objectivity was never an arrow in his quiver.
Holding other broadcasters to a higher standard is just goofy.
MacT: Speaking of Killing someone while driving Drunk. Don't put Myles Bell on your draft Board.
ReplyDeleteRod Phillips was a paid employee of the Edmonton Oilers, his job was to be a homer.
ReplyDeleteDick Irvin and Hughson work for CBC. There should be some level of difference as not everyone in Canada is a Habs or Canucks fan
Blogger oilersfan said...
ReplyDeleteRod Phillips was a paid employee of the Edmonton Oilers, his job was to be a homer.
Dick Irvin and Hughson work for CBC. There should be some level of difference as not everyone in Canada is a Habs or Canucks fan
No he wasn't. At least for the first 20 or so years.
You're just pissed these guys don't reflect your bias.
And it's really a stupid argument in any case.
If you're not a Canucks or Habs fan, then you're not a hockey faen.
There are no other options.
Spoiler..was out all day and don't know how to cut n paste on my iphone. Thel ink seems cut off.
ReplyDeleteHolding other broadcasters to a higher standard is just goofy.
ReplyDeleteWhat's even goofier is to compare regional vs. national broadcasters.
PunjabiOil said...
ReplyDeleteHolding other broadcasters to a higher standard is just goofy.
What's even goofier is to compare regional vs. national broadcasters.
Sunday, May 1, 2011 7:40:00 PM MDT
What's goofy is expecting objectivity from anyone..
You're just pissed the best broadcaster and the best team aren't Oiler sycophants.
Wait 10 years or maybe 15
What's goofy is expecting objectivity from anyone..
ReplyDeleteYou're just pissed the best broadcaster and the best team aren't Oiler sycophants.
Wait 10 years or maybe 15.
Props to DSF for providing such valued, essential and earth shattering rebuttals. Truly indispensable info
If you're not a Canucks or Habs fan, then you're not a hockey faen.
ReplyDeleteThere are no other options.
Name one team that hasn't won the cup in its 40 year existence and name another that has won it once in the last 30 years.
Yeah, there are no other teams.
That's a little much, even for you.
WG: 1986 defintly was inexistant.
ReplyDeleteI guess they finally got him. Osama Bin Laden is dead.
ReplyDeleteGood riddance
ReplyDeleteSo how much did it cost? Billions? Trillions?
ReplyDeleteBetch'a we could have fed Africa for a century.
I sure hope he cheered for the Habs or Canucks. After all, there are no other options.
ReplyDeleteDSF: I've never been a fan of Phillips.
ReplyDeleteEver.
DSF
ReplyDeleteRod Philips worked for the Oilers' radio network when he retired. Who do you think owned it? The Canadian taxpayer?
Before it became official that he worked for the Oilers' radio network, he worked for either 630 Ched or CFRN 1260. The Oilers' were paid by the stations for the rights and it was non - negotiable that their man Rod Phillips would do the broadcasting. If not in name, by dollar he was always paid to by the Oilers. Also, in those two eras, he was responsible for booking the flights for the team. Do you think the radio station paid for that?
Every radio play by play guy in the league works for the team, and are expected to be homers because that is who pays them.
When a CBC guy who is paid by all the taxpayers for this money losing joke is broadcasting across the country and their best players are Swedes and Americans, why should the rest of Canada expect to cheer for them when there are more Canadian players on the opposing team?
Lowetide I really wish you would kick this ahole off the forum like you almost did to Dennis.
FPB
ReplyDeleteWhy do you post on here so frequently if you are a habs fan?
I don't hate the habs like others here do, but I don't get why you are always here posting like you are an Oilers fan when you are a teenager from Montreal who loves the habs. Makes no sense to me.
Rope-a-Dope does it again in D.C. ;)
ReplyDeleteAnd wasn't it said that the Horocff debate would only go on until Bin Laden was dead or captured?
Or was that the arena debate?
ReplyDeleteOr the the play-by-play arguments?
Oh no, I remember. That's when I told my mom I'd give up my oxycotin addiction.
They didn't get DNA confirmation that he's dead already, did they? I really got to get a good night's sleep tonite.
A few things: Rod was the travelling secretary and pbp man for years with the Oilers, so he was most certainly part of the organization.
ReplyDeleteBack when we worked together (80s) Rod was surprised by Glen Sather with a SC ring and based on how he told the story there's no doubt in my mind how he felt about the Oilers.
You can dislike him if you wish, but Rod never spent a minute misrepresenting who he was and how he felt.
re: DSF. I am working on moving this blog somewhere and hopefully it'll have the ability to block people, but I have to say it's not something that pleases me to do.
DSF often types things to get a reaction and he's good at it. Ignore those comments if they're bothersome, because I think most people come on here with sincere takes while others come on to move the conversation into the dumper.
Say what you will about Dennis, but I've never thought of him as insincere.
I think most people come on here with sincere takes while others come on to move the conversation into the dumper.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't it be both?
The easiest method would be simply deleting his posts whenever seen them.
ReplyDeleteEventually he'll get tired.
I hope.
Down Goes Brown tweets: "CBS says Bin Laden killed by a head shot. Raffi Torres is out of control."
ReplyDeleteNice Little Fury!
ReplyDeleteSay what you will about Dennis, but I've never thought of him as insincere.
ReplyDeleteQuite the opposite. I could do with a little less sincerity in Dennis' posts. And it might even be good for his blood pressure.
What's this I hear about a llama being killed? Why do we care so much about Peruvian quadrupeds anyways?
Suntory,
ReplyDeleteApparently that link has to be tiny urled, so why don't you just wander over to Google and type: wiki NHL History 1967-1992? Click the relevant wikipedia entry. Voila!
Oh come on. Hamrlik bounced right up and whined to the refs as soon as Kelly put that puck in the net.
ReplyDeleteThe only way they could score was on the PP and they did everything they could to draw penalties.
Of course, the article is wrong in some regards. 80's habs could take it to the sewer. I still remember the Chelios elbow to Propp's head. (as well as Hextall's revenge)
I like Dennis' rants. I still remember the Oilfan days when people would just pile on him for having opinions like Salo being terrible and calling Mac-T, Crap-T.
ReplyDeleteHughson and friends work for a program named "Hockey Night in Canada". Should we not expect some canadian team bias there?
ReplyDeleteI don't know.. I don't think it's ever bothered me that much before.
The worst on Saturday night was Healy.Saying how Kesler had taken his game up a notch.Then showed him trying to shove his stick down someones throat and crosschecking someone else to the ice.Then whines when there is incidental contact on Luongo.
ReplyDeleteHe's a dick.
that makes it seems like the "Free French player" rule only lasted one year
ReplyDeleteI didn't notice the CBC guys mentioning that Kesler lost the faceoff and was -1 on the GWGA. Of course by then he'd already become the first active player to be inducted directly into the Hall of Fame without even having to retire.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't say Hamrlik bounced right up. My interpretation was he was stunned for a second, probably expected a whistle, and when it didn't happen he then struggled to his feet but was too late to join the play. Given that the guys who sticked him scored what was potentially the series-winning goal on the continuation I would suggest he had just cause to "whine".
ReplyDeleteThe guy is a 19-year veteran for pete's sake, and now because he's a Hab he's suddenly a classless whiner? Come on, people. I remember him from his time as an Oiler, and if anything he was a little too low-key for my liking but the furthest thing from a whiner. Just putting on habs jersey didn't suddenly transmogrify him into one. He had a valid case in my view ... and I was rooting for the Broons.
Sorry, "the guy (singular) who sticked him".
ReplyDeleteI was actually glad when the Habs tied it up, that would have been a real shitty series-winning goal.
Not quite sure why all the hate for the Canadiens here. They won in the 50's and 60's with rules skewed in their favor. Not sure that was the case with the late 70's team that was just very very good!
ReplyDeleteAs to Kesler I would absolutely LOVE to see him in an Oiler jersey. He is good sized, finishes checks, plays all out, wins draws and, gasp, scored 40 goals. Now did he lose the draw that lead to GWG, yup. Just not sure the Canucks problem in this series is Kesler.
Worse homer in pro sports is local Tv Boston Celtic analyst Tommy Heinsohn. No Celtic can ever do anything wrong and opponent ever do anything right. Now I think Highson is borderline ridiculous calling this series but suspect if HNIC acted on our anger at his blatant LOVE for Nucks and we got Mark Lee and Kevin Weekes instead, some of us would quit watching the playoff series.
There are homers and then there are just BAD announcers
At least Hughson is not sore, or just inhabited with illwill.
ReplyDeleteIt's like Rick Jeanneret, as long as it's ''Yay, my team wins'' and not ''the other team is full of shit'' it's less displeasing.
Anyway, Hughson still makes great calls and has a voice for thrilling moments, and sometimes has useful hindsight.
On the other hand, I almost always mute Lee/Weekes or the Sportsnet duo when I watch the games.
Also: Don't forget to take a 15 mins off your day to go vote. T'is important!
I've heard reference to the Habs getting a French pick, but can't find any reference. COuld someone point me in the right direction?
ReplyDeleteDebunking the Canadiens French Territorial Players Rights Myth
Short version: they had French-Canadian preference on two occasions: in the '30s, when the team was at risk of failing, and in the '60s, because Sam Pollock is a master manipulator. Outside of the final year (1969), when they nabbed Houle and Tardif, they got bupkis from it both times. And Tardif was only there for three years before bailing to Quebec and the WHA.
They won in the 50's and 60's with rules skewed in their favor.
What rules were these, exactly? Surely not the one created in the mid-50s to allow players out of the box after a PPG, written after Jean Beliveau scored a hat trick on a single power play.
Unless you mean the draft rules. In which case, you're just plain wrong: the '50s and '60s teams were built with none of the players from the exclusivity eras. That was just superior scouting and development by Selke and Pollock (okay, and opening the vault occasionally, but anyone could've done that).
Oilersfan: Cause i'm also an Oilers fan.
ReplyDeleteIf you piss on my other team i'l probably react. I'd do the same for the Oil on a Habs forum.
If you piss on my other team i'l probably react. I'd do the same for the Oil on a Habs forum.
ReplyDeleteYeah but the Oilers don't do anything that deserves defending. They stink.
And I agree. Go vote.
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ReplyDeleteIf you don't have the foggiest understanding of what's going on in Canadian politics, don't vote. It's too late to inform yourself properly now. In fact, if you were planning on not voting up until now, you should probably stick to that plan.
ReplyDeleteThere. I said it.
SS: Well yeah, but you can be informed, and still not plan on voting because you're lazy.
ReplyDeleteI used to not vote because I was lazy but it is an awkward thing to admit. Now I get to say it is a principled stance because I don't want to give cash dollars to any of the parties.
ReplyDeleteTOJ: you get a Tommy Point for that one;)
ReplyDeleteBQ: thank you for the concern;) I do have high blood pressure occasionally but it's hereditary and has nothing to do with the Oilers:)
I'm sardonic, laconic and many other things;) but I'm actually a pretty laid back guy in person who just likes to have a lot of fun. So I think people have the wrong idea about me.
SB: I didn't realize you had been around so long. I was dead wrong about MacT because I eventually grew to love the guy but I was also dead right about Salo.
Regarding Bin Laden, I just wished he'd made one more attack on all the studios and resources used for the production of reality TV and more importantly the plague that is entertainment television.
No loss of life, mind you; just six months where they'd have to reconfigure and where I wouldn't have to stumble upon it by accident.
Also, I'd gauge that the vast majority of voters are voting on the basis of irrational attachments rather than on the basis of rational calculations. No need to be informed to vote - just do like your neighbor does and do what you feel.
ReplyDeletemeh.
ReplyDeleteI'm thankful for living in a democratic country such as ours, and I guess the government is a huge part of that, but I hate being told I should vote.
If you put a bunch of issues on the table, and I had a vote in how these issues/policies would be handled specifically, I could get behind that.
As it stands now, we are voting for a bunch of people that are on defacto job interviews. These people tell us what they think most people want to hear, so that they can get a hefty paycheque and hefty pension.
Then theres the whole partisanship mentality that I could never begin to grasp. Its like being a sports fan or something, GO PCs GO!! VOTE PC!!! RAH!!!
I respect that some/most people see it differently than me, however, it really urks me when a drone who never used critical thought in his life regurgitates the 'you need to vote' mantra to anyone willing to listen, as if they have achieved political enlightenment.
Danny: Well, it's more of a ''If you're too lazy, go vote thing'' then anything else.
ReplyDeleteBut I think there's clear differences between each political party and theyr general direction.
I don't think you can just hate'em all, once you're informed a bit on the subject.
fpb: I understand how parties policies differ between platforms etc, but wheres the accountability? I get to vote for interchangeable people saying the same things at the next election.
ReplyDeleteThe only real productive thing about elections, is that we get to see millions of dollars in television ads telling us how all of the politicians did such a shitty job the past 4 years.
danny: I thought you would love this sorta thing given that these politicians have a few years in order to do things.
ReplyDeletein that regard they are like Oilers MGMT: there's no immediate expectations;)
Danny: Well that's how we make them accountable. I bet a lot of people got fired on the Liberal party (And will again) after the commandites' scandal last time around.
ReplyDeleteIf Harper gets the boot for having a shitty environmental plan, and making questionable cuts on big companies taxes, while buying jets, and having medieval ways in his terror campaigns. Well he'l probably have to change stuff.
Parties will always have one thing or two that displeased you, gotta vote for the guy with the closest platform to what you think is the best for your country.
FPB said....
ReplyDeleteBut I think there's clear differences between each political party and theyr general direction.
There's clear differences depending on what level of socialism you want.
But for whom do you vote if you prefer libertarianism or some other brand of non-socialism? For whom do you vote for if you prefer a return to the liberty of past decades and a rollback of the police state? For whom do you vote if you prefer total government transparency? For whom do you vote if you prefer decentralization of power over the advance of corporate kleptocracy and big government? For whom do you vote if you prefer not to be taxed by inflation? For whom do you vote if you prefer non-fiat currencies, free markets, and economic policies that don't lead to salaries stagnating at 1970 levels while being forced through cycles of boom and bust? For whom do you vote if you prefer not to attack other countries?
We are not provided with those choices, nor is it likely we will ever be. Which kind of makes voting irrelevant.
The whole electoral circus makes me wonder how an entire European nation was able to survive for 400 years governing, policing and defending themselves without the additional need of an actual government.
/cynicism
Spoiler: Idk you ressurect Regean and make him run for Ottawa.
ReplyDeleteI won't really shed a tear over you wanting mega capitalism
Btw: I'm all for government transparency, but all the rest you listed pretty much shaped up like savage capitalism.
ReplyDeleteFree Market caused the worst krach ever (1929).
They were laws made up so a beatdown of such magnitude wouldn'T happen again. And as of now it didn't.
There will always be ups and downs in economics no matter what
FPB, if you think the free market caused the 1929 Crash, you need to go back to the history books and the economic texts.
ReplyDeleteSuntory,
ReplyDeleteI believe the Habs "Cultural Option" was in place from the first Amateur Draft in 1963 through to 1969. The Canadiens exercised their option 3 times, once in 1968 and twice in 1969.
Spoiler: I know damn well what it is.
ReplyDelete''A free market is a market in which there is no economic intervention and regulation by the state, except to enforce taxes, private contracts, and the ownership of property''
Free market caused abysmal working conditions.
Industrial revolution rings a bell?
I should point out that Lafleur, Robinson, and Dryden all came from trading older stars to expansion teams for sweet draft picks, IIRC.
ReplyDeleteJust so you know Dennis, we care for your health. ;)
ReplyDeleteIf Harper gets the boot for having a shitty environmental plan, and making questionable cuts on big companies taxes, while buying jets, and having medieval ways in his terror campaigns. Well he'l probably have to change stuff.
Likely change up his campaign to promise stuff he might never have to deliver on because it is so pie-in-the-sky? Like capping credit card rates, expanding all social services, re-opening constitutional debates ('cause that went over well last time) and saying free pudding ever friday, unless you are a corporatist bastard, type of thing? Because that's what seems to be working this election. (pardon my use of language, because it is inconsistent with my character)
ouggle that if you will
Bar Qu: How can you say it's pie-in-the-sky.
ReplyDeleteMight as well say, heh, we're just all fucked and it comes down to the same things for whoever we vote.
Well no, when you actually read on it there's major differences. And just bitching one one side or another saying it's unfeaseable is just bullshit until you actually prove it.
FPB, please continue to make unsupported assertions, after all, why ruin a two year run? And if you truly do understand free markets, why did you make the 1929 comment? And why did you then move the target to the 1700s? Do they reward you with good marks for that at your school?
ReplyDeleteSpoiler: Like you support your shit chief. I think i've backed up my stuff more than you did as far of now.
ReplyDelete1929 happened because everyone just stopped spending, because others stopped spending in a vicious circle.
No one had a back up plan, to reinject money aka confidence into the free market, and it fucked up.
As for 1700, I didn't move it, it was simply another exemple.
3 things:
ReplyDelete1) What happened to the "no poltics" policy here? I respect many hockey opinions here, and don't want that to be tarnished because your poltical thoughts are as deep as my bathtub. :)
2) FPB, your opinions sound like they came right from your social studies teacher. You're in grade 10 right?
3) "and saying free pudding ever friday"- I like pudding, who is offering that?
WG: Let's not get into that. I can do easy shots too if I want.
ReplyDeleteAs long as people are firing questions at FPB, I've always been a little curious about whether his handle is a nod to this spectacular hockey card:
ReplyDeletehttp://blogs.thescore.com.s3.amazonaws.com/nhl/files/2010/11/01_PavelBure1.jpg
If so, that's awesome.
http://tinyurl.com/3b7htxn
ReplyDeleteCommon: It's a nod to this:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sportsposterwarehouse.com/catImages/bure02sl-1.jpg
As team GM I promise to sign Marty Reasoner and Dominic Moore to one year contracts, and really develop our kids winning culture by fighting for 20th overall. You cant spell cups without a bit of culture.
ReplyDeleteMy name is Dennis King, and I approve this message.
;)
Ah yes. Capping ridiculous credit card rates is pie in the sky stuff.
ReplyDeleteJesus that grade 10 kid you're all piling seems to have a better grasp on things then most here.
spoiler: I think that the asking of many of your questions reflects the death of the Federal Liberals' credibility.
ReplyDeleteModerate individuals and those falling outside of the templates for lefties and righties are in tough right now. On the one hand we have an encumbant leader who is an effective administrator who, unfortunately, cares very little for personal freedoms and liberties, and very little for individuals dissenting from his moral and personal perspective. On the other hand we face the prospect of an uncertain commodity in a volatile period of an economic recovery.
In my respectful opinion, the fact that such a dilemma exists reflects the Liberals' failure to create a viable alternative to either the NDP or the Cons.
Which is really a shame. This is a very important election, and quite frankly, Canadians would be best served with another legitimate platform to consider.
Jon K: I think Jon nails it.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I think one party should win by a slight margin.
To let time for the NPD guys to learn, and then offer a viable left side option.
FPB...
ReplyDeleteYou brought up 1929. I didn't. Your teachers probably didn't tell you this but the onus is on you to back up the statement you introduced, not on me to prove you wrong.
Your summary of the 1929 Crash indicates you are incapable of doing so, but I'm willing to give you a shot at it, if only to demonstrate the failures of socialist state public education.
Spoiler: You implicitly said the system failed. Then I said yours failed big time.
ReplyDeleteYou never proved your own stuff, and then you ask me to do so.
BTw: I never was in the public system, so you can shut your trap on that one.
BQ: thanks for your concern:)
ReplyDeleteI hope to be around for years and years, fully able to "sewer" LT's gamethreads with inconveint truths:)
Sorry for contributing to the political trend. My point was more that the NDP are saying things that have little regard for real-world realities and getting credit for it. The credit card one is that blows me away because it makes no consideration of how the banks would tighten up their lending if it happened (I suspect it means bouncing marginal customers, who might not realise how bad life is without access to one).
ReplyDeleteAnyways, it seems a moot point now. Unded
FPB,
ReplyDeleteI didn't think you would be able to. Thanks for confirming my fears.