It's a wonder it took so long for Jim Vandermeer to be an Edmonton Oiler. He plays a physical style, hails from Caroline and played his junior in Red Deer with the Rebels. They could have drafted him in 2000, but went with Alexander Ljubimov (#83), Paul Flache (#152) and Jason Platt (#247) to shore up the depth chart on defense.
Vandermeer signed with the Flyers just before Christmas 2000, at a time when Oilers scouts would have been watching his teammate Doug Lynch (they would select Lynch early in the 2001 entry draft). Vandermeer has played 436 NHL games for Philadelphia, Chicago, Calgary, Phoenix and Edmonton. He's been some places.
Jim Vandermeer 10-11
- 5x5 points per 60: 0.71 (2nd among Oil D)
- 5x4 points per 60: 4.50 (2nd among Oil D)
- Qual Comp: 3rd easiest among D
- Qual Team: 3rd best available among D
- Corsi Rel: 4.9 (2nd best among D)
- Zone Start: 50.1% (5th easiest among D)
- Zone Finish: 49.9% (7th best among D)
- Shots on goal/percentage: 57 shots/2 goals 3.5% (6th best)
- Boxcars: 62gp, 2-12-14
- Plus Minus: -15 on a team that was -52
- What do these numbers tell us? The Oilers used him in a defined role and he played well. Although he battled consistency for much of the schedule the final numbers are steady. Nice CorsiRel, decent return on the zone start and maybe a little puck luck here and there. Third pairing guy, providing some toughness and experience. This is what a 5-6D's numbers should be.
- Except for the plus minus. No, that's in the range of expectations. Doing the little exercise from earlier posts, Vandermeer played 970 minutes at evens and we should expect about -12.5 for those minutes on this team. So, a hair better and then we nick him a little for the soft parade.
- How could these numbers be better? They're about right, I'd say. You can't have too many of these guys because there are so many of these type of minutes to give out, but he seems like a reasonable mentor type and doesn't take an enormous number of bad penalties.
- Will he be back? I think he will. If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, the "out" door will see Gilbert and Smid leave and the "in" door has a new hire plus Jeff Petry. So, it might be Whitney-Petry; Peckham paired with the new hire who displays a nice range of skills (he won't come cheap, I'm suggesting Gilbert + Smid here); Vandermeer-Foster and then Taylor Chorney.
- Why does he fit? Well, he can slide into the top 4 to replace Peckham as needed and he can also kill penalties. He doesn't have the trade value of a Ladislav Smid, but he can do some of the things that Smid can do so there are a few items Vandermeer can cover off for the Oilers.
- Plus he's a veteran. Right. He can do a Jason Strudwick and sit a spell without upsetting the apple cart, too.
- Who did he play with? Vandermeer spent a lot of time with Peckham and time with Foster.
- And THOSE are the guys you're keeping? I wish the Oilers could keep Whitney, Gilbert, Smid, Petry and Peckham plus add that quality top 4 defender. But if you're going to trade for that guy--and they don't grow on trees--that player will take Gilbert, Smid and maybe more.
- What about Bieksa? He's not coming here. The Oilers aren't going to solve the blue problem via free agents getting 5 large. That would never happen.
- So Vandermeer is the top option on your free agent list? No. I'd love to see Ehrhoff or Bieksa or Steve Montador. They're. not. coming. here.
- Your defense is depressing. Wait 'til you see the goalies.
Prediction for 2010-11: 60gp, 1-3-4 (.067)
Actual 2010: 62gp, 2-12-14 (.226)
Veteran defender a welcome addition

Do not recall everyone who Routinely makes fun of what an embarrassment Tyler Sequin has been this year but in a game and a half, he certainly looks exceptional. When he shoots, he tries to miss the goalie. What a novel concept!!!
ReplyDeleteEberle and Hall do that intuitively
love to have JVDM as our #7 at $1.0m/yr
Vandermeer is the NHL version of "Hobo With a Shotgun". Time for him to pick up his things and move on to the next town.
ReplyDeleteI commend him for his toughness and aggression, but brings little of anything else. I guess since the Oilers have had Strudwick the last couple of years, Vandermeer, on the surface, would look like an improvement.
Peter Chiarelli better start writing his thank you letter to Brian Burke.
ReplyDeleteThe D was very depressing this year. After Whitney went down it reminded me of 06-07 and that was brutal.
ReplyDeleteTo your point LT - I can't see how 3.0 can excuse bringing back a back end made up of:
Whitney/Petry
Gilbert/Smid
Peckham/Foster
Vndrm or Chorney
And then look the fanbase in the eye and say next year will be better.
Would hate to see Gilbert go as I think he's underappreciated by many (save the trolls on this blog), but we've already seen what happens once there is an injury.
Can't wait for your dissertation on broken down Russian goalies.
Worst playoff beard,ever.
ReplyDeleteVandermeer seemed to settle down after a poor start to the season.He's no world beater but then again the bar is set pretty low on this team.
ReplyDeleteI think he'll be back as well-we saw him fight a few times in the latter part of the season and that's something few on this team bring.And he did make that pass to Eberle against Calgary in game 1 of the season...
A biased comparison of general managers Steve Yzerman and Steve Tambellini might start by comparing the transactions relating to Kurtis Foster and Marc-Andre Bergeron.
ReplyDeleteA manager who knows how to buy low/sell high and decipher the difference makers would be more likely to be described as "good at his job".
Then again, MAB came in as a midseason hire. Maybe Stevie Y just got lucky. Twice.
Chorney should be traded for a late round draft pick. It's time.
ReplyDeleteIt would be okay to sign Vandermeer for Strudwick's job if they don't do anything substantial at #3 or #4.
Whitney Petry
Smid Gilbert
Peckham Vandermeer
Foster
I sort of would like Hal Gill or Hamrlik (whoever Montreal doesn't keep) to play with Gilbert.
JVDM and Foster as a third pair?That would be the worst pairing in the NHL.That's not moving forward it's going backwards.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Bogosian - no way Atlanta/Winnipeg is going to spend that much more on their defense.
ReplyDeleteOf course he won't come cheap but if would sure change the look of the back end...
LT.
ReplyDeleteYou've been predicting a Smid trade for three years running.
While I don't disagree with the setiment, A GM who believes Khabibulin is MVP material and JFJ is a hockey player likely doesn't share it.
As for Gilbert, his contract makes him close to untradeable unless Howson gets very desperate.
He might.
God help the Oilers if it is Vandermeer-Foster and then Taylor Chorney on defence in 2011-2012.
ReplyDeleteJay Feaster of the Flames offers his vision to the Calgary ownership this way:
"It is to be a Stanley Cup challenger. It is to be a team with an identity. We want to get back to the identity of a hard-working team, a difficult team to play against. I think we're a whole lot closer than a lot of people think we are."
Kevin Lowe's vision of the Oilers: Five to six years of rebuilding to become a contender.
What is Steve Tambellini's vision of the Oilers' future? Do we know?
I really think Bogosian is going to be in play. ATL/WPG isn't going to give him away, but I think he will go to the highest bidder. ATL has 4Dmen (Byfuglien, Enstrom, Oduya, Hainsey) they are paying $3 mil+/year, and Stuart making 1.7/year on a new deal.
ReplyDeleteThis deal would likely cost the Oilers Gagner+ and wouldn't be a deal for the faint of heart.
Mabell said...
ReplyDeleteWhat about Bogosian - no way Atlanta/Winnipeg is going to spend that much more on their defense.
Of course he won't come cheap but if would sure change the look of the back end...
You know Thomson is one of the richest men in the world, right?
I would think Winnipeg will spend big dough to make a splash in the market off the hop.
They have $22M in cap space to play with.
I'd wager with the strong management team that has been running the Moose, that Winnipeg is a playoff team next season.
Gerta, he had a good close to the season, that's it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.coppernblue.com/2011/4/12/2106319/jim-vandermeer-scoring-chances-2010-2011
That was one heck of a hockey game. I hope the Oilers are dazzling us like that in the playoffs sometime soon!
ReplyDeleteVandermeer is horribly slow and doesn't really belong on the ice at most times but he brings some toughness and some fun to the games and that is useful. If he has better jokes than Strudwick, keep him on for another year while we suck.
No Bieksa? i'm sure you're right, but if Kevin Lowe has any pull any more I imagine he'd be pulling for him.
Did you just trade Smid away again? Haha.. It has really become schtick these days.
Maybe this is a silly question, but a 49.9% zone finish was 7th on the team?
ReplyDeleteThe future of the oilers is a team without Smid, Foster, and Chorney. Deal em, dump them or whatever it takes. Consider throwing a short term contract at ufas like Sopel, Gill, Hejda or Ericsson. And shore up the back end till Petry adapts and someone like teubert or plante steps up.
ReplyDeleteTrading away Gilbert does not address any needs and would only hurt us in the long term, give the man a quality pairing and D squad that doesn't bleed points and zone starts and we may actually progress.
For the life of me I can't figure out why people here don't like Smid.
ReplyDeleteHe is 25 folks, same age as Gilbert was when he was a rookie. The fact he got thrown in too young wasn't his fault but he is nasty, a good skater, big and mean. He is a low end second pairing dman when paired with a good second pairing dman, and he is likely to get better.
Considering Tambo had the opportunity to sell him at the trade deadline when his value would be at a high, why would he trade him now when he would have less value?
He will be here folks.
The other John and melancholyculkin, didn't you know that Seguin is a bust and a 'phudu'? A number of wise people chimed in with that insight after the Hall hattrick.
ReplyDeleteThe other John and melancholyculkin, didn't you know that Seguin is a bust and a 'phudu'? A number of wise people chimed in with that insight after the Hall hattrick.
ReplyDeleteToo true uni. Last night just proved the MacT/Julien method of bringing in rookies (or being forced to have an 18 yr old rookie) is likely the best method. The Oil got lucky in Hall and how good he's been, but I never thought that Seguin was going to be less than Hall. Last night was the beginning of how true that will be.
Maybe this is a silly question, but a 49.9% zone finish was 7th on the team?
ReplyDeleteI questioned that too, so I had a look.
Bizarre, but true.
Ozone finish among D:
Foster 52.9
Smid 51.1
Gilbert 50.9
Whitney 50.6
Petry 50.5
Strudwick 50.1
Vandermeer 49.9
Peckham 49.5
For the 30th place team, they finished in the Ozone an awful lot.
Probably skewed due to Dzone finishing in netural zone due to goal against. :)
Last night just proved the MacT/Julien method of bringing in rookies (or being forced to have an 18 yr old rookie) is likely the best method.
ReplyDeleteSeguin scored on 2 out of 3 shots. Either he is the best player in the history of the game or that percentage is going to come down a little.
You heard the man...Tyler Seguin is the BEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
ReplyDeleteHere's a list of Oiler D Ozone finish % - O zone start %. Listed best to worst in terms of
ReplyDeleteSmid +2.5%
Peckhmam +2.4%
Petry +1.4%
Vandermeer -0.2%
Gilbert -0.5%
Foster -1.5%
Whitney -2.8%
Strudwick -3.9%
The more I look at the underlying numbers, the less I think Whitney is a slam dunk 1st pair Dman.
ReplyDeleteI think he's the best Dman on the Oilers, but that doesn't mean he's a 1st pair NHL player.
Also,
LT, who would trade a good dman for Gilbert and Smid? I don't understand the logic of that deal from the other side.
Smid should be a #6 D-Man and Vandy the #8 if these assholes knew how to put a team together.
ReplyDeleteSeguin looked like a young Joffrey Lupul out there!
ReplyDeleteNot bad, Ribs, not bad at all.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand the logic of a Gilbert, Smid deal either. Besides the fact that LT is the greatest jinx of re-balancing trade known to man:
ReplyDeleteAny team trading for both players will lack D depth, which means they won't have any decent D to trade back. Now there could be a circumstance where a team is missing an offensive defenceman and has a plethora of stay-at-homes, but I can't think of one, nor why they would also want Smid.
If a decent defenceman is coming, we are sending a forward or a good draft pick in the other direction. JMHO.
Something like 18th, Smid, Brule to NAS for Franson, or Hemsky to ATL for Bogo.
I also think The Braintrust holds Gilbert more highly than the general public, but then again, I thought the same about Greene.
runcyte: I don't know what kind of cell this is, but judging by my playoff beer belly, my body doesn't have a single one.
WG...
ReplyDeleteAny idea what one sigma from the mean would be w.r.t. Zone Shift?