Wednesday, March 9, 2011

Oilers at Capitals, G68 '10-'11

The Edmonton Oilers are in search of Rod Langway (in photo). In an interview on the Oilers website, Stu (Magnificent Bastard) MacGregor said "our goal as a franchise when Steve (Tambellini) came in was to start getting bigger as an organization, which I think was one of the things we achieved in last year's draft. We selected some bigger forwards and also some bigger defenceman, most notably Martin Marincin. Add the acquisition of Colten Teubert to the equation and we’re quickly seeing a turnaround in the makeup of our backend."

I've always thought this coming draft would see the Oilers select one defenseman and a forward in the first round. However, at the top of the draft, they appear to have a safe bet (Adam Larsson) and three forwards with various skills (Couturier, RNH and Landeskog) and flags.

Last season at this time my money was on Tyler Seguin going to the Oildrop, something that changed at the Memorial Cup. There is no dynamic "Taylor Hall" at the very top of this edition (although one would like to see this Strome fellow), so until now my vote has been Couturier. I know this blog is devoted to avoiding "saw him good" conclusions but after watching Couturier in a QMJHL tilt it was surprising to see how little he uses his size. I wondered why there wasn't much about physical play in his scouting report, wondered why he didn't have a lot of pims. For the first time since the fall, I'm wondering if Couturier is the guy Edmonton selects this summer.

I think Adam Larsson is going to be an Oiler, unless this was just a bad night for Couturier. At the very least, the conversation for #1 overall should be re-opened. There is no slam dunk this year, let alone the two that were available a year ago.
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The Langway: This season's candidate for "the Langway" is Jamie Oleksiak. Kirk Luedeke at Bruins Draft watch has a stellar scouting report on the huge defender:
  • Jamie Oleksiak, D Northeastern University (Hockey East)  Huge kid at 6-7, 240 pounds and may not be done growing. Pretty mobile for someone so big, and more importantly, so young. Massive wingspan and long stick make it virtually impossible for opponents to beat him to the outside. Mobility makes it a challenge for them to go inside on him as well. With more work on his skating, could be even more mobile and difficult to beat. Working on his reads and progressions- still a work in progress who sometimes tries to do too much in his own end- needs to keep things simple. Decent passer on short to intermediate feeds, but on-ice vision is questionable and lacks the accuracy to stretch opposing defenses with long leads. As can be expected, has a big drive given all the power and torque he can generate on his twig. Needs to work on improving the accuracy and release. Important to avoid the lazy comparisons to Zdeno Chara or Tyler Myers because of size/mobility alone- those guys are more skilled with the puck and shooting skills than Oleksiak and he has a long way to go to reach that level. Oleksiak has upside, but may end up being more of a shutdown guy in the NHL.
Kirk's scouting report is actually MORE in depth, I've cherry picked here. I encourage you to read his thoughts (via the link). Buddy's absolutely killing the 2011 draft. Anyway, he's describing Rod Langway at the outer marker in my opinion and that's the guy MBS is tracking.

So, I think we should get ready for Larsson and Oleksiak in round one. The way this draft is setting up, Edmonton could select two defensemen this year and grab another from the deep draft next year. That trio should sustain the Oilers for a decade or more rolling out.

The asterisk on that statement is Couturier. IF that Q game was an anomaly, Couturier should remain at number one. But he's a question mark, and MBS has always taken the smart bet in round one.
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Washington has three young goalies who look like they can play. THREE. Semyon Varlamov, Michal Neuvirth and a kid named Braden Holtby. Holtby has played about 9 games and has been splendid. If you want to know how Ken Dryden emerged quietly in the spring of 1971, Holtby is an excellent comparable. There are 100 fans outside Washington and Lloyminster who know him, but the kid might be key two months from now.
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The Oilers should be wearing their ass for a hat again tonight. Not much you can do when you bring a knife to a gunfight.

269 comments:

  1. You really think they'll take two D in the first LT? Would go against organisational trend, seeing as the only D-man they've taken since Descoteaux in '96 is Plante in '07... but then maybe thats the point - changing how things are done, top to bottom.

    I still think they should try and trade up in the draft (as I'm sure Tambo - and every other GM - will), and grab Strome or Huberdeau after having taken Larsson. Oleksiak might be a stud though, interesting to follow him whether we take him or not. Imagine a D-corps of Larsson, Oleksiak, Marincin, Whitney, Petry and Gilbert - not necessarily all overly physical, but massively talented and HUGE. That would scare the be-jesus out of me (with the usual caveat of "if they all turn out as they could")

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  2. (by the way, my ID used to be EasyOil, but this new fangled Google Account thing has put paid to that!)

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  3. forgot to add Theo Peckham to that list of D-men as well... Marincin and Peckham on a pairing together, now thats a mean duo...

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  4. I'm thinking that Larsson will be who pick as well. I wonder what the price of moving up with L.A.'s pick will be? How far up the board would L.A.'s 1st, our 2nd and a player move us?

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  5. If you are committed to BPA then picking 2 defensemen in the first round would not surprise me. All depends on what's the best option for the org a couple of years from now, not next season.

    Great info on Oleksiak LT.

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  6. I'd be absolutely thrilled with Larsson. I still can't believe the Oilers have a shot at him this season.

    I was really hoping the Oilers would trade up last draft and grab Tarasenko as well. Hall, Eberle, Tarasenko, Paajaarvi would have been a filthy group of wingers on the top two lines.

    Then again I also hoped a 3rd would be used on Kabanov, who's kind of fallen off the face of the earth.

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  7. I fully acknowledge the likelihood that my prediction that the Oilers will NOT finish 30th will be proven wrong, but unlike last year, that remains a possibility. Moreover, finishing last does not guarantee the first overall pick.

    As such, while I think there's utility and entertainment in prognosticating from a #1 position, it might be worth thinking about what other teams might do if we end up at #2.

    Some of the speculation at TSN has been that Larsson isn't necessarily a slam dunk at #1 for all teams. Specifically, I have a hard time seeing Colorado acquire yet another first overall D-man if they're on the clock first. Thoughts?

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  8. A knife?

    More like a spork.

    I would bet on Larsson being the pick as well. If Ottawa wins the lottery and picks him then I wonder where they go.

    Could be interesting. RHN and Landeskog certainly seem to be more dynamic players than SC.

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  9. @ black dog
    So now landeskog is more dynamic that sc! Wow..it's been quite a fall for the guy.

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  10. Couturier as the pick worries me. I don't claim to have some crystal ball that looks at these things. But when I've seen him he appears slow and non-physical basically a larger, francophone Rob Shremp if you will. If he doesn't have NHL speed the points won't come.

    I'm kind of hoping they go in another direction. But MacGregor seems to know what he's doing so we'll see.

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  11. How would we solve the #1 C problem is two D get selected in the first round?

    I don't think Hemsky can get us one this summer.

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  12. Missing out on Larsson isn't necessarily the end of the world. In fact, he may not necessarily be the best pick for the Oil. We have a desperate need for both a #1 D and C. I might even argue that we can get by without a true 1D if we've got excellent depth on the backend (a healthy Whitney can probably substitute). The most important thing about this draft, whether we're picking at 1, 2 or 3 is to figure out which of Larsson, Couturier, RNH or Strome are most likely to become that #1 in C or D that we need.

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  13. sum - oh thats just my opinion based on what I have heard. With RHN it just sounds like he's an exciting player. Lots of buzz about him. With Landeskog he has the whole 'power forward' and 'leadership' tags.

    SC, I think, suffers a bit from the 'big man' syndrome, same as Penner, same as Thornton. He may be the best player in the draft and entirely effective but people come away looking for more.

    We'll see.

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  14. @Chris
    Sean couturier to rob Schremp is like Adam larsson to Johan motin

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  15. I don't pretend to be an expert on anything hockey related and I really thought that Seguin would have been the right pick last year but with all that said, drafting SC worries me. I have only seen him play 6 or 7 times and that was exclusively at the WJC but I get the impression he could be the next Chris Gratton. Larsson or RNH but vote probably won't be counted.

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  16. I'm probably the only Oiler fan who 100% absolutely cheers for every opponent they're getting from here on in.

    And I'm not ashamed to say that.

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  17. SumOil said...
    @Chris
    Sean couturier to rob Schremp is like Adam larsson to Johan motin


    On what is this statement based? Schremp's 90 point draft year? His 145 point post draft Junior year? In what way does the comparison hold?

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  18. I think it is worrisome that a guy who starts as the #1 prospect is being talked about as possibly being out of the top 5. As much people keep saying its not anything he has done but others have just done more, that is a red flag. If you take Larson you should be able go F with your next two picks or even move up to get surer bet. Dont force the pick, Oilers hit a HR last year if they only get a double this year thats ok you just cant strike out.

    One thing about the Caps is they have always had great jerseys, I cant think of one of them I didnt like, although the Mike Ridley Reds are probably my Favorite.

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  19. I know Holtby but I'm a diehard Blade fan.

    As for Couturier. That's pretty much how he plays. I don't think Edmonton Fans will like the guy as he's a big guy that will look slow and disinterested. Basically, a Dustin Penner.

    Doesn't mean he's a bad player but he is what he is.

    There are a few big mean dmen that will be available around that L.A. pick. I'm actually kind of excited if this big, strong, mean backend plays out.

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  20. And I'm not ashamed to say that.

    History suggests there is not a lot you are ashamed to say. Makes you interesting to read. ;)

    I would be satisfied with Larsson, simply because an all-round player with few downsides is never a bad bet. And if what oilfan passed on second hand from what he read somewhere else is true, then he is better than we thought (though I should be ashamed to be repeating that level of hearsay)

    lialster - a prank phone caller using a dial phone

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  21. Spoiler: Just compared the points and theyr relative +-.

    Pboy: I saw Larsson play and tought he'd be Andre Zyuzin.

    Seriously what the fuck is up with the Chris Gratton comparison all the time? Can't find another player? A guy that actually has a similar style of play?

    Chris: Idk, Luc Robitaille would seem to have an objection.

    No one is seeing the big red flags above Larsson's head?

    Injuries, regression, numbers significantly lower than Hedman's (He basically didn't score a point after the WJC)

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  22. He basically didn't play after the World Juniors.

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  23. SB: YOU ARE WRONG.

    http://live2.hockeyligan.se/live_v4/index.html?game=20110301-SAIK-FBK

    That's a game from March 1st.

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  24. Larsson rebegan playing on February 15th and has logged 9 games so far.

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  25. Low ice time and he's still got a tender groin.

    RNH had four points last night 3 were ES.

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  26. @ Spoiler

    First of all Schremp had a 69 point draft season and the 90 points was draft+1 and the 145 points was draft+2.

    Also I was not the one making the comparison. I was just saying that the comparison is not a good one..

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  27. and the link didn't work but that's alright. I shouldn't be watching at work.

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  28. SB: WRONG AGAIN!

    On his first game returning he played more than his season average and did a couple of occasions on that strech.

    As for the injury it's questionable.

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  29. How long has Calgary been looking for a center to play with Iginla?

    We know Tambellini wouldn't leave Boston alone about Seguin and we also know that Tambellini had a massive woody for B. Schenn.

    It seems pretty obvious that management wants to bring in a future top line center.

    Couturier or RNH or bust.

    Then deal Gags for a D in the first round.

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  31. I have to disagree, I think if the Oilers finish last than it will be Larsson but if another team finishes last and picks Larsson then Edmonton picks Strome or Landeskog with their first pick.

    The LA pick and a possible player etc... will be used to trade up and select a player the Oilers have targeted mostly definitely a defenseman. Look how two defenseman dropped last year, Fowler and Gromley. Not that I am comparing the two drafts as I realize this year is not as strong as last year but still there is always players that slide on draft day.

    LA pick can be used for a player like Duncan Siemens, SKINNY: Blueliner is big, nasty and offensively skilled. Sounds like a match for what the Oilers are looking for.

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  32. FBV: That site is notoriously wrong. Larsson's head coach has stated they're bringing him along slow. 10-12 mintues a night.

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  33. Maverick IF the Oilers liked Strome and had the 2nd overall. I think they should see if they can trade down a few spots and get another draft pick. As I think he'll be available around 5 or 6

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  34. Couturier 54GP 92pts 1.70p/g +50 31PIM
    Strome 59GP 98pts 1.66p/g +28 76 PIM
    Huberdeau 61GP 96pts 1.54p/g +55 82 PIM
    RNH 64GP 94pts 1.46p/g +25 45 PIM
    Landeskog 48GP 62pts 1.29p/g +31 57PIM

    SC has the numbers, but there are a bunch of guys who are not far off. Strome and Huberdeau have decent size (6'1") and PIM. I am not sure what the knock is on these guys. Skating?

    I have noticed that the Oilers seem to be putting a premium on guys with size, who "compete", and have a bit of a nasty edge. The only guy they have picked up in the v.3 era that doesn't have this profile is Martindale but he had too many tools to overlook.

    I expect they will take Larssen, but if he is not available, they might be able to trade down a spot or two and still pick up a Strome or Huberdeau.

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  35. @ SB

    if i was a betting man, I would bet on the site of a major hockey league than what a coach said.

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  36. Who says they're lying. Websites are notorious for inputting bad information. WHL site has all kinds of errors with it's stats and what not.

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  37. @ Ducey

    nope...skating is as solid as it comes

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  38. By trading away Penner the Oil need some size up front that CAN play. I'd love to see Larsson be the pick but it would just make sense to draft Couturier or Landeskog. In MBS we trust, whoever he takes I'll be happy with.

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  39. FBP, as Smarmy points out, Larsson's only started playing again as of Feb 15, and has low ice-time as his groin is still tender.

    Also take into context, his 'regression' in points that you keep pointing to seems to be caused largely by him being recast in a defensive shutdown role, while the prime PP and offensive starts go to Rundblad.

    So as an 18 year old, Larsson is now counted on as a shutdown defenseman in one of the best men's leagues in the world.

    His injury issues seem to be of something non-chronic, and groin injuries are difficult buggers to get over, but I don't see it affecting his career. Give him a nice off season to heal up and he should be fine.

    I understand you like Couturier a lot, but it's not like he doesn't have red flags, i.e. slow, lazy/disinterested, and his size gives him a major advantage in junior that will be significantly reduced in the AHL and NHL. I'm not saying Couts isn't a prime prospect, and it may be the curse of the big man, but I don't see him as a better pick at this point.

    Oh well time will tell, and in Stu we trust, but I really am hoping for Larsson.

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  40. Traktor, I think you may be right, I think Tambellini's whale is a skilled #1 centre, and as a result that's what he's going to draft. His pursuit of all the C prospects you listed has been an ongoing buzz since the last draft.

    I hope that Stu sees differently though, and that Larsson gets the nod.

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  41. Fan radio said Max Pac had

    a severe concussion and broken 4th vertabrae

    Good God.

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  42. Uni: I also indicated he rebegan playing on that date. As far as the Icetime goes theyr official site seems to say the opposite.

    As for the injury I think it's a red flag itself.

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  43. Actually, looks like we're all wrong, 75 pt season going into the draft.

    Which still ain't helping your comparison any, Sumoil.

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  44. One prop I'll give Couts is he is really good at using his body to shield the puck. That is the sort of thing that will work for him at the NHL level.

    I know people are saying he doesn't use his size. True he isn't a wrecking machine but he does have that Penner skill of going wide with the puck and using his frame to keep the defender from reaching the puck.

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  45. I watched most of the drum/quebec game the other day and while couturier wasnt physical in the sense of hitting, i thought he did protect the puck extremely well using his size. But maybe thats just because he plays major junior. He looked huge out there.

    mityr - sacrificial oiler fan

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  46. @ Spoiler

    Sorry man yeah, i did not count the points from Mississauga
    But point still stands..you called me out for making that comparison while I was refuting it myself.
    What makes you think i am making that comparison? I was replying to chris who made it first.

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  47. uni:

    Edmonton hasn't had a legit top 6 center since Weight left in 2000/2001.

    In the last 5 years Edmonton has traded for Pronger, Visnovsky and Whitney.

    Only a fool would draft a D and try and trade for a center.

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  48. Ha thats funny swarmy, same comment at the same time.

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  49. And only a fool would think Horcoff and Gagner are average or better compared to good teams.

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  50. @boo. Great minds and all that.

    Plus if we both say it then it must be true. :)

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  51. Good point about Couturier's puck protection.

    That's the type of thing that will translate to the NHL.

    Ryan Strome's "sick hands", not so much.

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  52. Gagner's really starting to piss me off, the way he smurfs it up right until the last 25 games then turns on the palooka-jets just when no one cares enough to stop him.

    Cogliano's at least consistent - consistently too small for the NHL haha.

    Ever since 2006 I've been a little bit of a Capitals fan - they play a very cool style of hockey. No idea what's eating Ovechkin though.

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  53. Question for those who want Larsson:

    Do you think Edmonton can acquire a top 6 center via trade or free agency, or do you just feel Horcoff-Gagner is a solid 1-2 punch down the middle?

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  54. My bet AND vote is for Larsson. Reason being, having your own homegrown high minutes guy on the backend seems to be a good recipe for being a perennial contender (Devils of the 90's, the Wings, Nashville, Chicago, etc.) whereas the teams that buy that big pivot (Ducks, Pitt) seem to go one and done more often than not. It really is a cornerstone for a championship caliber roster.

    Given the Oil's absolute and utter dependancy on the Magnificent Bastard for this rebuild, is there a more untouchable guy in the org than Stu? I think he could get plastered at the company Christmas party and shit on Tambellini's salad and the team would find a way to give him a free pass on it. In Stu we trust!

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  55. Question for those who want Larsson:

    Do you think Edmonton can acquire a top 6 center via trade or free agency, or do you just feel Horcoff-Gagner is a solid 1-2 punch down the middle?


    Depends on what they think of next year's draft. If they decide they really like Larsson then they're very likely to tank badly again next year.

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  56. Good point...lets give up on that 21 year old who is stringing together an impressive season.
    I dont mind him traded for an impact D. but dont get rid of him for the sake of it

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  57. Funny, in re-reading my post, I realized that the Devils actually did acquire their cornerstone (Scott Stevens) and he wasn't homegrown by the true definition of the word. As is, I don't know that we have the assets (outside of Hall and Ebs) to command that level of return in a trade for a top flight D-man. That leaves overpaying in FA which is not the way this team should be managing the cap IMO.

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  58. And by what I mean with that is they may not be bullish on this year's centers being #1's and think Larsson is a safer bet.

    They may also like some centers in next year's draft but early on it seems like next year will have a lot of high end defensemen.

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  59. One reason they may move Gagner is if they feel he is going to command more salary then they feel comfortable paying for his production.

    They really do need to pay the big bucks to the guys that carry the mail unlike the past number of years where we lost Pronger and Smyth and tied up oodles of money in Sourays, Pisanis, and Horcoffs

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  60. Not much you can do when you bring a knife to a gunfight.

    I smell a nickname - Jacques the Knife?

    Edmonton hasn't had a legit top 6 center since Weight left in 2000/2001.

    If I'm not terribly mistaken, that would make them the first team in NHL history to come within one game of winning the Stanley Cup without a legit top six centre. Imagine what they could have done if they'd had Cogliano!

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  61. "My bet AND vote is for Larsson. Reason being, having your own homegrown high minutes guy on the backend seems to be a good recipe for being a perennial contender (Devils of the 90's, the Wings, Nashville, Chicago, etc.) whereas the teams that buy that big pivot (Ducks, Pitt) seem to go one and done more often than not. It really is a cornerstone for a championship caliber roster."

    Wow. Talk about about a bunch of BS.

    How is Nashville a "perennial contender" when they have never even made it out of the 1st round of the playoffs? hahah

    What the Devils did in the 90's (clutch and grab era) with the best goalie ever to play the game is irrelevant.

    Lets take a quick look at Detroit's centers over the years:

    Sergei Fedorov
    Steve Yzerman
    Pavel Datsyuk

    Yeah.. 3 Hall of Fame centers is such a great argument why Edmonton doesn't need a quality pivot.

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  62. @ SB

    Alex Galchenyuk!!
    But i think its a good bet that we might end up with a D man
    Nick Ebert
    Rienhart
    Ryan Murray

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  63. SS: We could say for that season alone Shawn Horcoff's numbers corresponded to a mid tier number 1 center.

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  64. sumoil

    I've seen Murray play live once and he really is a smooth defensmen. Looked awesome for such a young age.

    And Traktor I suspect if you have three future hall of famers on your roster you're probably going to be a contender regardless of what position they're playing on your team.

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  65. SS: We could say for that season alone Shawn Horcoff's numbers corresponded to a mid tier number 1 center.

    We certainly could say that. Would Traktor?

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  66. I kinda back up Traktor's argument this time around.

    As for the Nashville defense, none of those D are lottery picks. Same thing for Chicago.

    Lottery picks D just haven't worked that well.

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  67. "If I'm not terribly mistaken, that would make them the first team in NHL history to come within one game of winning the Stanley Cup without a legit top six centre"

    2006 was the year Carolina won the Stanley Cup without a top 2 defender.

    If Edmonton had a top 6 center they probably would've won.

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  68. @ fpb and SS and Traktor

    what we are saying it that when put 10 in offensive situation, we get offense from him! voila!
    all kidding aside. i agree with Traktor, when we are in a position to compete for the cup, our top 2 centers have to be better than Horcoff and gagner due. Well it could be Gagner and X, but that X has to be better than him. maybe Gagner still develops into a better player.. who knows, but we are still 4 years away from that.

    Also Traktor one thing you forget is that thier blue line was anchored by Nick Lidstrom. So yeah we need him too...cue to Larsson

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  69. @ Traktor
    We all can agree that Car was riding some insane percentages.
    Also neither of RNH or SC are touted to be the next Staal

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  70. Also at traktor,
    Edmononton might have one if not for one gaffle between Smith and Conklin.

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  71. Jarrett Stoll in 2005-2006 scored 68 points in 82 games (though a good number were on the power play, of course) on a team that made the SCF. Those are third line centre numbers?

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  72. SumOil: But Lidstrom wasn't a lottery pick. So wasn't Keith, so wasn't Suter or Weber. (Altough Suter was a 1st pick).

    I'd prefer they draft the Center (which IMO I think is more predictable, bases on the little rundowns I did of past drafts, altough i may be off) and then pick a lot of defenseman.

    I think being a D in the NHL requires so much different area of skills it's tougher to measure, hence i'd go for the safer bet.

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  73. Sumoil: Couturier has the same size than Eric Staal and superior numbers.

    Staal wasn't even the 1st pick in his draft.

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  74. "We certainly could say that. Would Traktor?"

    The same year Horcoff put up 73 points Cheechoo put up 93 points.
    2006.

    Brian Gionta scored 48 goals in 2006.. he hasn't scored more than 25 since.

    2006 was an anomaly for all players.

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  75. The same year Horcoff put up 73 points Cheechoo put up 93 points.
    2006.

    Brian Gionta scored 48 goals in 2006.. he hasn't scored more than 25 since.

    2006 was an anomaly for all players.


    Oh my - is that a "yes", even if you're apparently attributing it to the drinking water?

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  76. While I agree that the centres on this team could use an upgrade, I don't think saying that the Oilers have to draft a centre this year because all Cup teams have elite centres is either a useful or accurate argument. Consider the late 70s Habs, for example. They had Mahovolich for a while, but the 78-79 team won the Cup with Lemaire, Mondou, Jarvis, and Risebrough down the middle.

    I'm not suggesting here that the Oilers wingers and D are going to grow into being the 70s Canadiens. Just pointing out that there are many different ways to build a championship team positionally, but what they all have in common is lots of good players. Draft the best player you can, worry about the positions later.

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  77. FPB

    True that.
    I agree with you there. Also if the draft were held in today's time, Staal would have gone 1st overall( i am not talking about a redraft, I am talking about draft position with the same scouting report as we did in 2003, franchise goalie predictions no longer holds the same value) as now goalies are not valued as high. Those times value of a goaltender was at its highest.
    But for Eric Staal and SC comparison, Staal was a much better skater. But yeah a point can be made that skating can be taught. so sure go with it. I am not averse to drafting Sean Couturier. However if there is plenty of chatter from scouts that he may not be a high end point producer, then why not listen to them. also about drafting a forward high, many people have done the studies and have come to the same conclusion that drafting forwards in the 1st round is a safer bet and the same holds for Defensemen later on.
    In the end its upto SC vs Larsson. I still dont konw which camp i stand in. Last season i was in team Seguin. Couturier's scoring continues to impress the ehll out of me. My next situational scoring update will be out tomorrow on C&B, if you wanna check it out.
    I have decided to see percentage contribution towards team scoring and should be done by the weekend. I am confused. However that said, Larsson was my choice at the start of the season and I am slightly inclined towards him.

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  78. "Jarrett Stoll in 2005-2006 scored 68 points in 82 games"

    And he hasn't cracked 50 points since.

    Pretty much every player that put up career highs in 2006 failed to match those numbers.

    Keep building your foundation based on 2006 though.

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  79. @ SS

    that is not the point though. The point is where you slot Horc in the lineup when the team is ready to challenge for the cup. My bet is that he is a 3rd line center by then. Or maybe he is in the minors due to his high salary cap hit.

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  80. Keep building your foundation based on 2006 though.

    Keep building my foundation that your statement ("The Oilers haven't had a top six centre since 2001") is nonsense, based on a year that took place since 2001? Don't mind if I do.

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  81. that is not the point though.

    The statement that I'm disputing is that the Oilers haven't had a top six centre since 2001. So, respectfully, that is the point.

    Dishw: what ADHD sufferers wash their plates and bowls in.

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  82. Imagine if they draft for need, ala Traktor(sorry to use him as an example, but he's currently the one politicking for this).

    Then their pick busts, while the BPA(btw I've zero idea who that is) goes onto to star.

    What then?

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  83. What then?

    Then Traktor will have some truly excellent rejoinders about Shawn Horcoff.

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  84. The statement that I'm disputing is that the Oilers haven't had a top six centre since 2001. So, respectfully, that is the point.

    Ok i am with you on that one then.
    Had he said that we havent had a top line center since Wieght left, I would be with him. But we have had top 6 centers...no doubt about that.
    Horcoff and Stoll are solid top 6 center even now. Gagner is another one.

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  85. @ hunter

    I think the whole Larsson vs Couturier will come down to need. If not much separates them, need is a very good motivator for selection.
    BPA is an argument that comes in when you are deciding between say Strome and Siemens and your blue line is thin.
    And what if you draft the BPA and he busts and the guy who filled a 'need' goes onto have a great career?

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  86. I do not understand Komrade Traktor's denigration of Kommander Horkov. Kommander Horkov is progenerator of goal-scorings and provider of wheat to the people.

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  87. Lots of angst over who we will pick. It may be more obvious once all the chips fall. We are thinking about this as if we will be picking number 1, but as suggested by other posters, that is far from certain. Even a 30th place finish only provides a 50% chance of choosing first overall. Getting worked up about picking Larsson vs Couturier may be wasted once we see where we will actually be picking. If we're not first overall, chances are there will be one obvious choice remaining when it is our turn. All that said, I, too, enjoy the debate of the relative merits of each prospect, especially this year with so much parity. :-)

    I'm not sure about Oleksiak. History suggests these guys end up either duds or peak far below their draft pedigree. Like Dylan McIlrath last year. Too early to predict where Dylan will peak out obviously, but I will safely submit that NYR taking him at 10 overall was lunacy. Something similar will happen with this kid again this year.

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  88. Ashley: Agred. Always tought giant trees really hadn't such a big relevancy in the NHL, as so few make it. AIn't the NBA.

    Sumoil: Yeah and a lot of scouts tought Patrik Stefan was the 1st pick in 1999. Same guys who put Colton Gillies or Nikita Alexeev. in the 1st round (Sorry smarmy).

    Even if the scouts blast him he keeps on scoring and killing his opposition. He could reach +60 for a season. That's insane.

    Big franchise centers don't come around often, and compared to the sucess rate of d-men I think it's way more reasonable to go for him. If not convinced you can trade down and get something, then draft RNH or Landeskog or Strome.

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  89. "Imagine if they draft for need, ala Traktor(sorry to use him as an example, but he's currently the one politicking for this).

    Then their pick busts, while the BPA(btw I've zero idea who that is) goes onto to star.

    What then?"

    Not much will change.

    We'll still be short a 1st line C with the draft being the only place to find one.

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  90. Nah you can rag on Gillies it doesn't bother me I just liked arguing with you about it.

    I recall the Stefan draft year as being pretty terrible though. Apart from the Sedins.

    If you're picking from a pile of poop all you get is a piece of poop.

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  91. I guess it comes down to whether we want to be stanley cup contender, or a perennial playoff contender (ala nashville, who never seems to do much, but is there most of the time). It seems that great D and solid goaltending can get you to the playoffs (Oilers 2006), but without top end talent up front you will never win the cup. Can we get there with dominant wingers and OK centremen?

    For me the big issue seems to be whether RNH or Couturier are actual top end centres, or do they project out as no better then a #2 centre. Which I assume is why Larsson seems like the safer bet.

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  92. SB: Marc-André Fleury then. Svitov and Chistov. Cam Barker, Boris Valabik.

    List goes on.

    I trust MBS. Tough the ''General scout opinion'' always seem too much conservative and with too much guys who can't score.

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  93. Is it just me or at this time last year were we getting a little bit more in the way of Hall/Seguin news and a little bit less of us just saying the same things over and over again?

    I don't want to be "that" guy, but there's an awful lot of drawing lines in the sand going on for a topic none of us are experts on (SC/AL/RNH/GL).

    PS: I've the train through Edmonton twice in the last 10 days. The first time, our pipes froze and some of the bathrooms had to be shut down. The second time, I was offered an HJ by a woman with a beard*

    *May not actually have happened/been accepted.

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  94. Hah, I started that last post before FPB's "In Stu I trust"-toned post. Forgiveness, please.

    What's the latest on the guys in question though? Season splits? Are the Swedes fully healthy yet?

    To the Google!

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  95. Brule out with Giroux taking his place for a game. Khabibadeye in net tonight/today, per Oilers site.

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  96. Landeskog is apparently a pretty big Alfredsson/Senators fan. Neat.

    A better article about GL that also focuses on the Senators fandom.

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  97. Couturier and Larsson have underwheled in the limited viewings I've had of them. Nugent-Hopkins has been the only one to impress so far. Haven't seen Landeskog at all.

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  98. http://www.coppernblue.com/2010/6/9/1508196/who-is-the-best-player-available

    fpb...you might like reading this

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  99. As of March 4th, Rishaug tweeted that Taylor Hall's ankle injury would take 8 full weeks to heal. The World Hockey Championships start on April 29, exactly 8 weeks after Rishaug's tweet.

    As an Oiler fan, do you want Taylor Hall in that tournament?

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  100. SumOil: great article. makes the case for Couturier or RNH at one, but maybe Larsson at 2 or 3.

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  101. to add more articles to this discussion, here is ESPN's new top 50 prospect list:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/insider/columns/story?columnist=joyce_gare&page=NHLDraftTop50Prospects0307

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  102. @ DBO

    yeah ..true that.
    SC or RNH might be a better bet according to the study!

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  103. A knife?

    More like a spork.


    Hey, don't even joke about that shit. When I was 17, my best friend was eviscerated in a fight by a guy with a spork. To this day I can't even look at the plastic cutlery packages from KFC without breaking into tears about what happened to Erik.

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  104. Rarely do I agree with Traktor, ok never, but if statement had been top line center I would agree with him completely. In 06 we had one of the three best defesnemen in the world, a very good goaltender who was screaming hot until Marc Andre Bergeron deposited a driving winger onto his knee, whereupon he was just screaming, a very very good roster of faceoff men and just enough scoring to be an exceedingly tough out.

    Our best centre would have been Carolina's 3rd center.

    I still think that if there are questions about who we get at the front of this draft that if Johannsen could be obtained by using our pick I would do it. Maybe our pick and LA's 1st rounder for Johannsen and CLB's 1st

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  105. I know it goes against the idea of a quick rebuild, but would anyone do our 1st for Stastny? Is that way too much or would that solve our issues since we have the cap space? makes no sense to have dealt Penner if we made this kind of move, but would anyone do it?

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  106. Since the Oilers are going to be a shit team for as long as humanly possible, they might as well take the BPA.

    After all, next year there's another lottery, and more BPA's.

    *heavily sedated fan* (with Rexall purchased kool-aid)

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  107. DBO: given the apparent unhappiness of Stastny's dad (and thus, maybe the player himself), there's an outside chance that he could be available for a more moderate price. Not something the Avs would advertise, but some combination of LA's 1st, Gagner/Cogliano and maybe our 2nd could be a starting point.

    Then again,it is in the division which increases the unlikelihood.

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  108. Where Traktor is right is when he talks about the Canes D by committee. That was a year where the Canes thrived in almost every round because the other team had the worse injury luck: Koivu's eye in R1, the Buf D in the Conf final and the other team's starting goalie in the final.

    He's also probably right in that '06 was the exception because of all the PP offense with the new rules; to draw a baseball parallel go back to the '87 season and those are stats I remember because of RBI Baseball:)

    Where's he wrong is saying that 10 had a career year because in '08 he was having a fine year before he got hurt.

    Looking back that might have been the injury that really derailed him but in any case he had another good year left in him after the accelerated offensive year of '06.

    On the draft, it looks like GL's the BPA but what we really need are D and a big centre.

    I think that's the only reason you'll get a lot of different stories about how the Oilers pick because if they were looking OK in all reas GL would be a lock I think.

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  109. I think that there's a false dichotomy created when we talk about strictly drafting for positional need versus best player available: it's not an either/or, but rather two potential factors that have to be weighted in the decision-making process.

    If for example, if there was a goalie with a .980 SP who was the result of a mad scientist's experiment to splice together the DNA of Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur (and maybe a dash of Terry Sawchuk), would we not draft him 1st overall just because there's a glut of passable goaltenders available? Of course not. Likewise, it would be silly to pass up a record-breaking winger simply because we already have 4, 14, 91, 83, etc.

    The difficulty with this draft is we don't actually have a consensus of who the BPA is at number 1. At this point, I've seen five different players put forward as the answer to who it is. Unless MBS and his staff get some grand revelation that one prospect is clearly above the rest, they're going to default to positional need.

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  110. @showerhead:
    Taylor Hall at the WC?I would love to see him on the big ice in Europe!!

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  111. I don't understand the point in bringing up 2006 as an example of why we need a top C.

    I'm more in the SC camp myself, but remembering how CFP put the team on his back and dragged us all the way to G7 certainly makes me wonder if a potential franchise D is something we can afford to pass on.

    Of course, then I remember that we traded for him...

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  112. Good points, but by my eye, there is no one from the Pronger tree in this draft, nor in most drafts.

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  113. Brownlee has
    got a piece up over at ON just moments ago re: Stu M and the draft and the Penner trade.

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  114. LT just started listening to Nation Radio...Great Job...really good program.

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  115. Gerta: thanks for the link. I've got to say, I like seeing Teubert compared to Scott Stevens as opposed to Matt Greene (and yes, I'm aware it's by the farm team coach and thus isn't free of bias).

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  117. He is what he is.

    Stu says it in his interview about Larsson and someone said it above in the thread about Couturier. It just sounds horrible when you're thinking of a number one pick.

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  118. I'm listening to Allan and Tyler right now and it's simply fantastic radio. One weakness of this format for me as an audience member will always be that by the time of week I can tune in, I may already have read the perspectives being talked about and responses to those perspectives, but I can definitely live with that.

    Tyler, you are well spoken and no radio-nerves come through. Well done.

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  119. hockeyguy:

    You'd have to think Hall would be terrifically suited for the big ice at the WHC. It would be pointless to rush him back but if he has healed by then, it could be a good cap to a solid pro season. I wonder what he'd want - whether he's tapped out from the whirlwind following last season and the draft or if he'd want to play for the sake of playing. I know what my choice would be (if I were blessed with ridiculous hockey talent) but to each his own.

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  120. @shower:

    I think it best he take the rest of this year off.It's not like he won't have a chance to play in them next year. :-)

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  121. Taylor Hall is working out with a trainer each morning at 8 am swimming while team is on the road.

    Speaks volumes about what type of kid he is

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  122. I'm looking forward to the episode where "Steve Smith" is invited as a guest on Nation Radio. I suspect that would be entertaining, although may require a certain co-guest or two for full effect.

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  123. I'm looking forward to the episode where "Steve Smith" is invited as a guest on Nation Radio.

    My understanding is that they try to limit their guest list to people with something relevant or interesting to say about hockey. But if asked, I stand ready, aye, ready.

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  124. If he's even close to ready, I predict Hall will demand that they let him play in the Worlds.

    He's not the type to pull an Iginla.

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  125. TOJ

    Scott Cullen has a blog post up where he talks about the sports analytics conference he was at at MIT. He details a panel led by Malcolm Gladwell and some present/former athletes debating the 10 000 hour of practise theory Gladwell advanced in Outliers.

    Basically, it seems there really is something to hard work and determination overcoming natural talent when taken to the highest levels of sport.

    So I too am heartened that Hall is merely content to be healthy but to continue to push in whatever ways he can. It suggests that he is going to continue to get even better in years to come.

    concring - what Max Pac is feeling right now (geez, that makes me cringe to think about)

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  126. Hey LT,

    Would it be possible to address the different options that the club has regarding the everpresent hole @ 1C? I mean, they're pretty straight forwards:
    - Draft and Develop
    - Move a Winger
    - Trade for One
    - Sign one in Free Agency
    But, while it is straight forwards in that sense, would you be willing to address what the Oilers actual options are? Who the Trade targets are and what that team might want/need? Who the Draft Prospects are, thier potential, and how likely they are to reach said potential? Who they might try at centre, and what advantatges/disadvantages said player might have as a centre vs wing? Which FAs would qualify, and what it might take to land them in Edmonton?

    When you look at it like that... I think that could be a rather in depth look at what the Oilers can do moving forwards, and what might be some good bets to make.

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  127. @commonfan:I have never understood the free pass Iginla got for not showing up for the worlds.

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  128. While not being sure exactly what the consensus in here is for evaluating talent, the fact that a player like Bobby Orr went on 5 mile nightly runs in his early teens speaks volumes about hard work and determination to improve.

    Meanwhile Rob Schremp hockey is being enjoyed in it's 3rd NHL city.

    As for not taking the 'need' pick, and the BPA busts: well, that's bloody obvious: You might be unlucky, but you didn't piss away a sure thing. (gambling for winners 101)

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  129. From Friedman:

    'A couple of scouts have said there are four players who could go first overall in this draft, depending on a team's needs. "Picking fourth could be just as good as picking first," one said. Looks like there are five teams (OTT, EDM, NYI, COL, FLA) in contention.'

    ashiesnu
    A sneeze caused by the application of Lenten ashes

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  130. If he's even close to ready, I predict Hall will demand that they let him play in the Worlds.

    I think you're probably right. But I also think that could just make him a sort-of reverse Sheldon Souray, and that the Oilers have to be ready to curb his youthful enthusiasm, even if it might piss him off.

    The boy is not going to want for chances to play internationally; he can give this one a miss.

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  131. This years draft is going to be more interesting than last years. There was debate among scouts on two guys and iirc, Hall was preferred as the #1 player by a pretty wide majority over Seguin.

    This year, there seems to be a lot of varying opinions and Friedman's article confirms.

    Question is if you thought you could still get a piece of the puzzle drafting #4 versus #1, would you try to trade down to get more picks later in the draft?

    And who would you target?

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  132. Rich, I think you only trade down if your scouts honestly can't make a good case that one (or two) players stand out from that group of four AND you don't have any particular position needs that might compel you to picking a certain player.

    As such, I don't see any way that the Oilers do it unless they have zeroed in on someone like Couturier who they're certain will fall. However, if the incredible Colorado slide continues and they end up drafting first, I could easily see them entertaining a trade down in the top 4 to a team that was eager to select Larsson.

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  133. And no suspension.

    This league is a joke. They need to grow some balls like the NFL.

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  134. I think the Chara punishment reflected the crime. I said last night you can't know he had malice in him and after that it's a penalty (which he got at the time) and then a call to the guy in charge of safety to suggest he does something about it not happening again.

    Too bad for Pacioretty, but that's hockey.

    autsky: Gretzky in the 2000s.

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  135. LT: Then why punish Gillies?

    You could argue all moves are unitentional.

    You shove a guy on the street and he gets hit by a car, but you didn't shove him to get hit, but he still does and you're still screwed. Why not here?

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  136. Chara was punished. He was ejected from the GAME! I understand this is your team, but honestly the NHL did the right thing on this one.

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  137. Rich: The problem is, picking 4th you don't get the player you necessarily want, you merely get the player that the first three teams don't pick.

    Assuming your scouting is capable, you would naturally prefer them to have the player they want, not the other team's leavings.

    Of course I'm still suspicious that these putz's go on a winning streak and they pick 4th anyway.

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  138. FPV - You're kidding me right?

    Don't be that Montreal guy who thinks this is some sort of conspiracy.

    The league finally got ONE right. The officiating and inconsistent suspensions while protecting garbage players suck, but this one doesn't.

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  139. Both Gillies and Chara hit guys who were not remotely close to the puck. Both hits were intentional interference.

    Interference is NOT a legal hockey play. The interference in both cases was NOT accidental, but premeditated.

    In other words, they were both in the same class of incident as the Bertuzzi incident...i.e. attacking a player without the puck.

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  140. Oh Christ. REALLY? Chara=Bertuzzi. Take me now, lord.

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  141. You shove a guy on the street and he gets hit by a car, but you didn't shove him to get hit, but he still does and you're still screwed. Why not here?

    I didn't see the hit, so I have no comment on that. But I've always found the philosophy of punishing on effect, rather than on intent and action, pretty stupid.

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  142. Wait, godot10 was serious? I laughed out loud and was going to compliment the joke.

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  143. Godot - You actually just typed that? Hilarious.

    ""I thought it was a dirty play. I thought he knew exactly what he was doing," said Vancouver Canucks forward Tanner Glass. "It's unfortunate that a player got hurt that way."" Figures that the Canuck would be seemingly the only one that has had that play cross his mind to be made.

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  144. Steve - Agreed. I think in situations as the "street" fpv described, this would actually hold true. Where it needs to be applied more consistently is instances like attempted murder. The fact that you failed shouldn't really impact things in such severe an instance.

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  145. SS: Well the effect of shoving someone against a metal pole at high speeds pretty much always give similar results.

    LT: Godot's right on the Gillies part tough. The play is basically the same thing exept GIllies is a goon and Chara a star. That wasn't a fucking hockey play that was interference.

    If you're just beside a metal pole and you can't see it, then I don't know how you do to play hockey in the NHL.

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  146. Both were attacks on a player without the puck. What difference does a few metres make? Both had intent to attack a player without the puck.

    Chara had a post handy. He didn't have to use his fists or ice to bash P's head. He just gives him plausible deniability for the gullibly inclined, because he didn't have to skate the 50 metres or use his fists.

    The attacks are in the same class. Bertuzzi's just looks worse.

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  147. FPV - I don't think you're currently in a position to rationally discuss this. You're usually more reasonable and less rash.

    At least we have Godot's comments to provide comic relief.

    Ohandtheresagameon

    Great play by Smid on OvenChicken (that nick is not meant to be derogatory btw, just amusing).

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  148. LMHF: The fact stays that it was an illegal play that led to a severe injury. If you don't punish that what do you punish?

    There was no need to interfere, even less ram him into the boards.

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  149. FPV - He received a 5 + Game for intereference. If it was on the other side of the ice and Max hits boards instead of the goofy extra partition in Montreal, it's a 2.

    This was during the play; it's not like he ran across the ice to get a guy who was out of position.

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  150. LHMF: So based on that you would need a guy to be concussed to get a suspension after a boarding call?

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  151. FPV - Nope, the NHL operates in that improper fashion, but frankly injury/non-injury should have almost nothing to do with whether the "board" is judged suspendable or not.

    If you suspend Gilles, you at the very least penalize Clutterbuck; not in this league...morons...

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  152. It was interference, but it was borderline interference. Pacioretti had just chipped the puck past Chara and the big guy rode him out. He was in trouble if it turned into a foot race. It was a hockey play in that it was a "good" penalty, at least until that stanchion came up. It then goes to intent and there'll be no convincing people who believe he had it, that he didn't.

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  153. LMHF: What I'm asking is: What's the difference between this play, all the Clutterbuck hits, the Gillies hit and some other suspensions?

    This shit just seems random and immoral.

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  154. Bruce: How can you not know something's not there when it's right in front of you?

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  155. Nice to see Plante deck Ovechkin a couple of minutes ago. The kid's got to get into the muck and grind part of his game to survive up here. No stars in his eyes that time.

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  156. Can we at least agree that Chara was punished. You know, that whole not playing the rest of the game thing? Can we establish THAT?????

    Gagner had a wonderful shift in there against (I believe) Laich. In the Oilers zone, battling for about 30 seconds and the 21-year old fought him to a draw.

    A very nice moment.

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  157. FPV - Intent.

    It's the NHL that gets this wrong all the time. Most of the time they penalize unfortunate or sometimes minor incidents severely, then do nothing about attempts to injure people that fail. This is idiotic. Matt Cooke, Alex Burrows, Cal Clutterbuck, Derian Hatcher, Darcy Tucker...these guys and others like them should have been essentially run out of the game by suspension, yet barely got anything.

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  158. Funny fact : James Wisniewski got suspended 2 games for mimicing a blowjob.

    LT: Allright. He was ejected of an already loss game.

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  159. LT: Know what? Let's just watch the game and not talk about it anymore.

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  160. //If it was on the other side of the ice and Max hits boards instead of the goofy extra partition in Montreal, it's a 2.//

    What difference does it make if you kill a guy with one bullet or 50? It is still murder.

    What difference does it make if you intentional attack a player without the puck if you run at him from 1 metre or from 50?

    The essential elements of intent, attack, and no puck are same in the Gillies, Chara, and Bertuzzi incidents.

    The main difference between the Chara and Bertuzzi incidents is that Bertuzzi did not attempt to disguise his malice, whereas Chara used an advantageious opportunity to disguise his malice.

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  161. Was it Whitey Herzog who said speed is the one talent that is a weapon on offence and defence? Reddox and Cogs showed that there. The trick is to remember to do something once you actually catch up, and Cogs did that time.

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  162. The Caps seem to have a habit of not protecting the puck. We're having a lot of stick-lift success.

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  163. Another nail biter in store, as Caps playing like they're hungover.

    WTF's with Ovechkin?

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  164. Anyone got a link to the game? It's not on ATDHE.

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  165. FPV, it might be worth a look at this clip. This shows clear intent to injury and yes, the fact that it is a Hab defender doing the deed shows that the Hockey Gods do have a way of balancing the scales on these things even if it sometimes takes them decades.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy-u9YI55jg&feature=fvst

    The issue is not that Chara deserves a lynching for an interference penalty. It's that having exposed stanchions is just stupid. If anything, that's what makes the league look bush league. Bloody roller derby.

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  166. Every caps game is like this. Better defensive play at the expense of a completely neutered offense.

    Sad thing is it will probably serve them better in the playoffs which sucks since I like watching them play the last few years.

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  167. Godot,

    Congratulations on the most ridiculous post I've ever read on Lowetide.blogspot.com.

    And Traktor and DSF post here.

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  168. Apparently the game is delayed because they need an ambulance.

    There's a seriously witty remark here, but the game's so boring I doubt if anyone thinks of it.

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  169. SB: Well at the way they were trashing Montreal last year I doubt it.

    They just consistently had the puck in the offensive zone last year, now not so much. Just became boring.

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  170. Hiho! Did someone just say bush? My spidey sense is tingly. Or something.

    That was a beauty play by Gilbert, reversed and then turned the play up ice - bang bang.

    Too bad he's so soft, the jerk.

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  171. How is that kneeing when Jones tried to actually retract his knee to the inside, not stick it out? I don't see that as anything more than the most incidental contact.

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  172. Beautiful work by Strudwick on that there goal.

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  173. Mika Zibanejad lurar upp Adam Larsson på läktaren

    Another option at center - Mika Zibanejad as above as the second pick. A bit off topic

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  174. Fucking Massofshitforbrains. Ya, that was kneeing. Idiot!

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  175. I think Strudwick was at the blueline thinking he was in the offensive end.

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  176. That was a beauty set-up on that goal. Still not sure how that was a penalty on Jones, he had no room to move his knee. Oh well, I've seen enough iffy calls this season to bother complaining about it now.

    If only Cogs had hands to go with that speed

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  177. You know that stereotypical hooker with a heart of gold that all the young cowpokes relied on in the old west to bust their cherry? That hooker is the Oilers and the young cowpokes are any player looking to score his first goal, break a slump, etc. Ending opposition dry spells and getting fucked in the process. It's what we do.

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  178. I like the 15 year old girl with major attention issues analogy better.

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  179. Make up call for kneeing (not calling the trip in the clear)?

    Of course, Khabby takes a penalty anyway.

    Yee-haw.

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  180. 2 on 1 with Arnott back and its a weak shot wide.

    Poor.

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  181. Whoa 2 goals by the Caps. They're bustin out on the Oilers.

    And some were worried this team was gonna get out of the basement.

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  182. ELPH? This is like watching a corpse decompose......


    myngen just quit. Good thing I have BCAA

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  183. Jesus Lee, is Gunsmoke on the other channel?

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  184. Is there a slower defensive pairing in the NHL (or AHL) than Vandermeer/Plante?

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  185. How is Nashville a "perennial contender" when they have never even made it out of the 1st round of the playoffs? hahah

    A fan of a team that's going 0-5 making the playoffs in the last half decade laughing at a team that's made it 5 times in the last 6 seasons. I know we're in the twitter era, but do people even think about the things they write anymore?

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  186. SB - basically the second pair is 2-48, I guess, or is it?

    They'll win a couple more games but the end of this year is probably going to rival 2007

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  187. LT, that was more of a Lonesome Dove reference than a Gunsmoke one ;)

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  188. JFJ, Mike Bossy just called and he wants his number back.

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  189. Does that mean that only fans of Stanley Cup champions are allowed to mock other teams?

    That hardly makes any *censt*

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  190. BD, The only games to realy worry about left on the schedule are Colorado x2

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  191. I can't wait for Penner to get back in the line-up......

    What's that?

    Magic Beans.

    Oh yeah :-(

    Nice kneeing call on Jones. He goes out of his way to not stick his knee out and gets called for it.

    I wonder if the Oiler's would look at Arnott and Laich for next season? Both guys have good size, are decent on faceoffs, Arnott can man the point on the PP and Laich is a pker.

    What's that? All of our prospects are going to pan out and we don't need to make trades for established players or sign real players as UFA's....

    Oh yeah :-(

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