Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Oilers at Avs, G 61, '10-'11

As long as I'm alive, the Colorado Avalanche will be Joe Sakic's team. The Avs enjoyed a nice run there for over a decade with elite talents (Joe, Foppa) and a strong support group.

Last season it looked like they were going to skip the re-tooling and go right to winning divisions and making final fours. However, they have fallen into the turmoil that is the second division this season. And you could argue that Ryan O'Reilly would have been better off staying in junior last season (and this) but Oiler fans are familiar with such development issues.
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I think Tom Renney is a smart guy, but sometimes his decisions are difficult to understand. After a third period on the weekend that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hall + Hemsky= effective PP, the coach kept them far apart last night. In a building where goals go to die, it was beyond curious.
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According to Dan Tencer's twitter, there is a Laddy Smid for Jonathan Blum deal on the table and being discussed by Nashville and the Tillerman. Oilers had scouts at the CBS game last night (according to reports) and it is the kind of trade teams routinely make at the deadline.

The players involved are not close in style. Smid is a big, strong kid with lots of defensive tools and an ability to get hurt at a moment's notice; lately, he's honed that ability to the point where he no longer needs a member of the opposition to inflict injury. He's a do it yourselfer.

Blum has decent size but is a finesse defensemen. Finesse defemsemen like Tom Gilbert can be very effective, but we don't like them much in Edmonton. Not enough grit and stupidity for our liking. Blum has performed well in the AHL:
  • 80gp, 11-30-41 +17 (age 20)
  • 54gp, 8-26-34 +7 (age 21)
He was the CHL defenseman of the year in 2008-09 and won the Bill Hunter award (best defenseman) the same season. Ladislav Smid is having his normal season, and the Oilers needed more. During the reasonable expectations series, I wrote:
  • This will be the season for Ladislav Smid to establish himself in some very important roles. Top 4 defender, plenty of time on the penalty-kill and perhaps most important staying healthy.
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There is some danger in deadling Smid at this time. He's not expensive, and his size/speed combination has real value. There's also the chance they are going to Matt Greene here; by that I mean dealing a DD just as he's turning the corner. The club dealt Greene at age 25 (he had played 151 NHL games); Smid is age 25 and has played 309 NHL games.
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If the Oilers deal for another finesse D in Blum, that'll make a bushel from that category. Tom Gilbert, Taylor Chorney and Jeff Petry could all be placed in a group, with Ryan Whitney playing a more "complete" game.

The black hats belong to Theo Peckham (who has probably made Smid expendable--if he is), Jim Vandermeer (about to be dealt one would think), Jason Strudwick (pretty much done) and Alex Plante (likely to be recalled, possibly as soon as tonight if Chorney's really hurt).

Whitney (and perhaps Petry) boast a wide range of skills, and I would argue Gilbert is extremely effective (although lacking confidence at this time). Looking at the depth chart, I'd hope that Blum would have a wider range of skills if he's to be the return for Smid.

Hurry Marincin.

393 comments:

  1. If there is a deal for Blum, he immediately becomes our top offensive D prospect. His AHL numbers are great, and he's not a baby, so he can play right away. We still lack the bruisers, so any trades should target stay at home types. And at least Blum isn't tin. yes he needs some more muscle, but he has a bigger frame then a chorney.

    So you would conceivably have Gilbert, Petry and Blum next year as our offensive soft dmen, Whitney as our all around, Peckham as wreckham and now we need a stay at home type. Plante may get the call, but we need an actual NHL player to slot in somewhere in the top 4.

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  2. Does Blum mean they've soured on Petry? Petry's putting up points in the AHL at a slightly greater clip than Blum.

    Blum might be getting points in the AHL, but he's small for a defenseman. Don't see why we'd make this trade (a large dependable, proven, affordable NHL defenseman for an unproven smallish D prospect). At the least, we should be getting another prospect or pick along with Blum.

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  3. They're going to trade Smid for Blum and in four months, Kevin Lowe is going to say "All of a sudden we sure have a lot of offensive defensemen around here."

    Gilbert - Petry - Marincin - Blain - Davidson

    While Gilbert and Petry have all-around games, it seems like they're trying to trade for clones of clones.

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  4. A deal for Blum would be wonderful, as I really don't see his player type coming up through the system at all. Furthermore, he seems to be a quality distributor and PP performer, which is something it would be excellent to acquire.

    If we are to assume that Whitney-Gilbert is the top pairing to open the season next year, and Peckham, Foster, Blum and Petry form portions of the bottom six, I would suggest that it's easier to acquire a free agent from the physical stay at home tree than to sign one with offensive skills.

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  5. One of the largest complaints that you hear from Oiler head office is that the team isn't tough enough to play against.

    Solution?

    Trade a big rugged guy for a smaller not so rugged guy.

    Albeit 5 is tougher on himself than most opponents.

    There were NHL scouts following around OKC. If Blum is on the way in, maybe 41 or 58 is on the way out.

    If that's the case I hope its 41 and not 58. 58 is much more complete than 41.

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  6. Is it just me or is that an overpay for Smid?

    I know Smid was once a prospect, and he's still young for a D-man. But he's closing on UFA status soon enough, and his game seems to have regressed defensively. And, he's shown he has no offense to bring.

    I'm surprised you can get anything better than a 3rd rounder.

    In fact, I'm guessing it's Smid + for Blum.

    I don't mind adding another puck mover. It helps OKC. But you should probably move Chorney to create a spot and balance the 50 man roster a bit with Marincin coming in, presumably soon. Maybe trade Chorney for a middling defensive D-man propsect.

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  7. I hit on that Hall + Hemsky issue during the game discussion last night. I maintain that even with the hex they win that game if they march Hall and Hemsky out for each full powerplay (to the extent the PPs last anyway)

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  9. Smid is a number 5,6 d-man on an nhl team. I think he would easily be replaced. I take the preds number one d prospect for an extremely average d-man any day.

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  10. With all the Stastny rumours out there, I thought I'd look at his underlying numbers, as well as Gagner's as that's who would probably have to be going back the other way +.

    That's just a guess. They might like 13, who knows?

    Here are the numbers:

    2010/11

    5v5 Scoring
    PS 1.94/60
    SG 1.93/60

    5v4 Scoring
    PS 4.83/60
    SG 1.73/60

    RelCorQC
    PS 5/13
    SG 11/15

    RelCorQT
    PS 11/13
    SG 5/15

    ReCor
    PS 8/13 -2.0
    SG 4/15 +7.2

    ZoneStart/Finish
    PS 51.5 -- 55.2 +3.7%
    SG 51.0 -- 54.3 +3.3%

    So this year Stastny is playing 2nd toughs with shitty help and its hurting is 5v5 scoring. 5v4 he is doing well.

    Gagner continues to get much better teammates than opposition according to BTN with ok, but not great results, and struggles like the rest of the Oilers on 5v4.

    To give these numbers some context, here are the same metrics from last year:


    2009/10

    5v5 Scoring
    PS 2.42/60
    SG 1.56/60

    5v4 Scoring
    PS 4.20/60
    SG 5.74/60

    RelCorQC
    PS 2/14
    SG 12/14

    RelCorQT
    PS 4/14
    SG 2/14

    ReCor
    PS 2/14 +8.4
    SG 2/14 +10.9

    ZoneStart/Finish
    PS 45.2 -- 48.9 +3.7%
    SG 48.8 -- 49.8 +1.0%

    So last year Stastny played in a power vs. power role with good help and thrived. He was 24 years old.
    Sam had very favourable minutes with good help and bad comp, but didn't produce well 5v5. Remember he was only 20 last year. Had a very good season 5v4.

    I think Stastny has been given a tougher role (easier comp, buy way less help) this year and his 5v5 numbers have suffered because of it.

    If COL owners are dumping salary (like they did in the NBA this week) and the org is souring on him, it would behoove v3.0 to go get him.

    When its a salary dump, you don't have to give the world back, hopefully he could make it work.

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  11. I like Smid, but if you can get Blum straight across I make that deal yesterday.

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  12. I'm thinking the powerplay point job is becoming a real concern for the Oil.

    I would also say this deal implies they are leaning toward Couturier.

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  13. I don't think you can say no to Blum for Smid if it's straight up. Nashville probably sees Ellis and Blum as interchangeable as prospects and are looking for help this year. As we saw with the goligoski for Neal trade these offensive D have huge value.
    He has also been a plus player every year, although pretty much his whole AHL team are plus players, and his offense has increased every year since he entered Junior. Add to that no significant injury history and the arrows point the right way.

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  14. Can't have that Hall/Hemsky pp together. They might start winning games and you can't have that.

    As for Smid. I don't really care what they do with him.

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  15. For what it is worth, HF lists Blum as Nashville's best prospect. They have said:

    Leading the charge is the most talented, most NHL ready defender on the farm, Jonathon Blum. Blum spent his first full season in the AHL last year, and certainly impressed, playing a shut down role while providing a legitimate offensive threat. Blum's game consists of skill, skill, and more skill. He isn't the largest fellow in the world, so he relies on his skills and his wits to outmaneuver opposing forwards. Though he may not be the hardest hitting defender, Blum still isn't really lacking anywhere in his game.

    Smid is bigger and I have always been impressed with is puck handling. But he has proven he will never give any offense. His physical play largely happens after the whistle. Rarely do people rave about his intelligence.

    I'd trade Blum for Smid. In fact, I'd try and do Smid and Chorney for Blum and a pick or a prospect with some size and grit that could play third line minutes (someone like Watson, Buddish, or Beck)

    As far as the lineup goes, you go:

    Whitney - Gilbert
    Petry - Peckham or FA Vet
    Blum- Plante or Peckham

    Chorney is done his entry level deal (I think) this year and will have to clear waivers next yr. He seems like he has sorted out his defence a little but has not shown much offence. I don't think he is going to make it in the NHL.

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  16. I'm amused by these descriptions of Smid as a tough defencemen.

    The Oilers do not need to get bigger and tougher. They need to get better. So long as Blum is better than Smid then this is a slam dunk for the Oilers. Do it now.

    A team with six Brian Rafalski's would be a great team.

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  17. I'm with Captain Obvious.

    Blum is very likely the better player going forward. If a straight swap is on the table I'm not sure how you don't take it.

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  18. ot enough grit and stupidity for our liking.


    Good observation!

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  19. The thing about Stastny is his $6M price tag. He got paid early and if he doesn't work out it will be tough to deal him. I'd rather pay Richards, myself.

    A thought that came into my mind this morning....

    Would you rather have Sheldon Souray at $2.7M for a playoff push, or Jim Vandermeer for $2.3M?
    I know the extra year means something but sheesh.

    Smid can be moved but we need Lowe and friends to go hunting again for some real replacements if he is. I still haven't settled into the fact that next year is likely another rebuilding year but unless they do something on the backend, it's becoming clearer and clearer.

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  20. I really like Laddy, but you have to look around real hard to find a guy with his draft pedigree that is as offensively limited. This was a big year for him IMO. He needed to show top 4 ability. For me, I am pretty much done evaluating him. 300 + games and 25 years old. He is what he is. A 5,6 guy with zero offense.

    His type of skill set is very replaceable at UFA time. I would do Blum for Smid in a heartbeat. In fact I think this would be a big win for ST.

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  21. Grabbing Stastny would be huge and accelerate our process exponentially.

    It is for this reason that I sadly believe they might not even take a good deal if it's there.

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  22. If they're addled enough to do Blum straight up for Smid you jump, skip, and rush to the fax machine to get it done. You just have to do your damn best not to giggle like a little school girl full of glee on the phone.

    Unless they have the inside scoop on some sort of limitation or knock against Blum...and I just don't see it.

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  23. Nashville is very good at both selecting and then developing defensemen. Probably the best team in the league at it.

    They are rumored to be interested in our injury prone bruising d-man with wheels who has a history of injury, and are dangling their shiny offensive d-man from the AHL.

    Why aren't more alarm bells going off here people?

    If Nashville sees soemthing in Smid (and as I said above, they're the best at this game), doesn't that mean you sign him and keep him? If Nashville is willing to move their best d-prospect to do so, don't you wonder why they would be willing to do so?

    I've been a fan of Smid's for a long time - his big goofy smile won me over the first time I saw it, and him learning to play from Staois... well he got the pity points too. But this just seems too suspicious to be good for the Oilers. It reinforces for me that you keep him - especially since Nashville wants him.

    If they really want a D-man and don't want Blum, offer Vandy and Chorney.

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  24. Grabbing Stastny would be huge and accelerate our process exponentially.

    Sure, but what happens in two years when he is UFA? Counting on him to re-sign is folly.

    Anyway, COL and EDM don't match up well. COL will almost certainly want a 1st rounder and at least a very good prospect. EDM wants to keep those.

    Couturier or Larssen plus Hamilton for Stastny doesn't excite me much.

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  25. we better get more then just BLUM.
    if it were Blum and a 2nd pick
    then OK! Smiddy was a Top 10 pick !

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  26. we better get more then just BLUM.
    if it were Blum and a 2nd pick
    then OK! Smiddy was a Top 10 pick !

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  27. Waiver wire blowing up. McKenzie tweets...

    CGY puts Ales Kotalik on re-entry waivers, BUF puts Craig Rivet on waivers, PHI puts Nik Zherdev on waivers, NSH puts on Marek Svatos.

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  28. Smiddy was a Top 10 pick !

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    * You are here.

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  29. The formatting didn't work out, tragically; you can see where I was going with it, anyway.

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  30. ummm U mean Colorado would send us Stastny for Gagner? Ok where do I sign? This is a No brainer! Yer worried about his contract? WHY? we pay Souray to play for another team 5.4 Million? and We pay Horcoff 5.5 to babysit some rookies! BUT your worried about paying 6.6million for a #1 Centre who puts up 80pts? sorry but look around the league. #1 centre cost that. He is probably one of the cheaper ones out there!

    whoever said he is paid too much should give their head a shake!

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  31. I can see at least three players who are better than several of the current Oilers team on that waiver tweet

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  32. Zherdev's $2MM/season deal is done this year. I'd claim him for a test drive with the wunderkinds.

    But I would have picked up Hagman too.

    Better not, we might have to waive Smac, Jacques or Fraser.

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  33. Ducey - note the 3 yr comment below.

    Also, our winning team would go out and sign a new bigtime C if for some crazy reason Stastny didnt want to stay with Hall, Eberle and gang. Not complicated.

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  34. Looking around for waiver stuff, I see Nashville has called Blum up today.

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  35. Despite what those two fat guys on the Team's morning show say, I don't think there are a lot of teams clamouring for Stastny with that 6.6M/3 year contract. Since Colorado seems to want to sell off & get cheaper, should the Oil make a play for him without giving up the first rounder this year? I'd put Gagner on the table for starters but since they just lost their power forward, maybe Penner? It would change a lot, the Oilers could draft Larsson or Landeskog, keep Hemsky & all of a sudden we move that 4-6 year thing up a few years. That would be the kind of deal a progressive GM would make so that would rule out the Stepbrothers.

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  36. Jeremy Colliton also on waivers. He's bigger than Fraser, is he any better?

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  37. Stastny has three years left on his deal and then it's UFA town.

    Isn't Gagner a UFA in three years as well? (7 years in the league)

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  38. Also, our winning team would go out and sign a new bigtime C if for some crazy reason Stastny didnt want to stay with Hall, Eberle and gang. Not complicated.

    Oh, like Hossa, or Heatley, or maybe Vanek?

    Yeah, getting a FA to come to EDM is never complicated.

    Anyway, how are you going to get Stastny here in the first place?

    You have to bet Burke is prowling around offering at least one of his 1st rounders and a prospect.

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  39. UFAs want a winning team.

    We would finally be a winning team. The issue has never been the city itself.

    Vanek btw wanted to be here.

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  40. He is probably one of the cheaper ones out there!

    I guess Stastny just hasn't convinced me that he's one of those number one, elite centers of the league as of yet. Perhaps he becomes that guy and you can afford to lose someone like Hemsky or Penner to keep him. Perhaps not. If he's not a true number one guy, you've limited your cap space to find the real thing.

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  41. Zherdev would cost 500k for a quarter season try-out. With the possibility that we could land a top six RW, picking him up isn't even a gamble.

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  42. I can see a little bit of what Jordan is saying here because I honestly can't see why this deal hasn't already been done unless the Preds are asking for 5-plus.

    and yes I know I'm the one talking about needing real dmen - and last night it should have hit home just how big of a problem the D corps has been - but there's more than one way to skin a cat and maybe Blum's even better than 58 and if that's the case then maybe you have Blum-49 as the bottom two D and 58 can be peddled to a team that already has a pricey top four D in-house.

    I can't see why this deal hasn't been done already.

    I've never been a huge fan of 5 but at 300 plus caps the guy is pretty much what he's gonna be and that isn't a whole lot.

    I think we can all agree on that.

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  43. Anyway, COL and EDM don't match up well. COL will almost certainly want a 1st rounder and at least a very good prospect. EDM wants to keep those.

    Who would have ever thought you could get Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski?

    If they are shedding salary then if behooves the organization to kick the tires, you never know what the price is.

    And, as others mentioned, he's under contract for 3 years after this one.

    He fits a hug need for the Oilers.

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  44. That's a lot of money to pay for a cuddle. :)

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  45. Well we know that Stastny's father isn't too happy with the recent moves of the Avalanche.

    I'm torn on the Blum deal...I've always liked Smid and was willing to wait on him while he wasn't getting paid,but I would move him
    provided it was a upgrade to a veteran D.Trading him now after 300 games for a kid that's just starting his NHL career...I don't know...it just
    doesn't feel right.

    Maybe if there is more pieces involved ie:picks or other bodies.

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  46. I've been a fan of Smid's for a long time - his big goofy smile won me over the first time I saw it,

    Ha ha, what about his eye glow?

    and him learning to play from Staois... well he got the pity points too.

    Decrepit old Staios is better than Smid to this very day. Back when he was tutoring Smid it was basically elder abuse - Smid would just throw it around the boards and let Staios deal with the forecheck every freaking time. I'm not sure how you can give Smid the pity points when Staios was and is a better NHL dman despite his advanced age.

    I know "Steve Smith" thinks getting an 8-10% chance at an NHL regular and a journeyman bum for Staios was a really really awesome deal (I don't agree at all given the Oilers depth chart and cap space), but I don't see why Staios gets all the piling on too. Oiler fans do realize that Staios and Moreau are different people, right? Staios didn't have the C, or the stupid quotes, or the insane penalties, or even the really terrible play either.

    He wasn't a good player anymore and he was signed to a deal when they should have focused on Ryan Smyth, but it's not like he wasn't a good soldier. And he'd be #2 on the depth chart right now. Scary.

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  47. So what we're talking about is Stastny to the Oilers for
    Gagner, Blum and the 31st?

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  48. 300 games.

    300 games.

    If the Oilers don't know now, they never will.

    NSH's interest is based on the fact that they'd like an affordable bottom pairing dman with ability. I'm not sure I'd read into it more than that.

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  49. Woodguy said...

    He fits a hug need for the Oilers.


    Jordan likes the smiles. Woodguy wants a hug. Everybody wants to see a little more eye glow from these young Oilers. What is going on around here?

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  50. Peter Statsny openly critized the Avalanche org today.

    Blum for Smid is golden. You get a 1st round kid who developped superbly and went further each year. We would be screwing NSH so bad on this one.

    Same if COL decides to trade Stastny. Number 1 center with great passing ability. You'd have to pay for such a center anyway.

    As on Zherdev, CLAIM. There's 0 risk to that and if i recall correctly his underlying numbers have always been really good. He was shafted in Philly playing only 10 minutes and his numbers dropped down.

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  51. I know "Steve Smith" thinks getting an 8-10% chance at an NHL regular and a journeyman bum for Staios was a really really awesome deal (I don't agree at all given the Oilers depth chart and cap space

    Is it because of Steve's leadership and other off ice intangibles you were going on about?

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  52. To put it another way it was worth it to see Steve go to Calgary just so I could read that long CP thread of angry flames fans.

    Going forward he was of no consequence.

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  53. If I may use an analogy. The Oilers defence is a bunch of dog turds but Steve was older therefore drier and not as stinky so it's better to cleanup those stinky ones first.

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  54. I have watched Blum in the AHL and he is exactly what this team is missing on the PP.

    Blum LOVES to sneak in from the point and attack open lanes. He is the type of player that causes chaos for other team because he is so active on the PP. Very rover Scott Niedermayer like.

    I imagine a pretty significant plus going back with Smid.

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  55. Blum LOVES to sneak in from the point and attack open lanes. He is the type of player that causes chaos for other team because he is so active on the PP. Very rover Scott Niedermayer like.

    Or to modernize the comparison. A Mike Green?

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  56. Is it because of Steve's leadership and other off ice intangibles you were going on about?

    No, I don't put much stock in that. I don't believe he was a problem in the dressing room either though. I don't recall seeing any evidence to that effect. Perhaps you have some quotes or links?

    I don't think it was a good trade because the Oilers don't have any dmen and they were always going to have cap space this year anyway. His trade accomplished absolutely nothing, IMO... Well, maybe tweaking Flames fans. Nothing wrong with that.

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  57. No I'm pretty lazy and prefer to talk shit rather then post links.

    I just think that Staios wasn't very good and it just seemed amazing to me that somebody took his salary and actually gave the Oilers something for him.

    I mean he's pressboxed all the time these days.

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  58. But we should talk about Smid who by all accounts is a pretty dumb guy.

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  59. I know "Steve Smith" thinks getting an 8-10% chance at an NHL regular and a journeyman bum for Staios was a really really awesome deal (I don't agree at all given the Oilers depth chart and cap space), but I don't see why Staios gets all the piling on too.

    I love Staios. He went out of his way during an Oilers practice at a local arena to speak to my son's Atom team a few years ago. He is a great guy.

    But he had no future here. He struggled last year and he will be retired in a yr or two. The pick has a chance to be part of the rebuild. Staios didn't.

    And he had a yr left on an expensive contract which reduced his trade value.

    That's why it was a good trade.

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  60. Tencer...

    The Oilers have activated Gilbert Brule for tonight's game in Colorado.

    Holy cow. He lives!

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  61. Let's pretend two things:

    1. The Oilers will not be a cap team next year.
    2. The Khabibulin contract expires at the end of 2011-2012.

    A team offers you a third rounder. Do you take it? If so, what's the relevant distinction between that and the Staios situation?

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  62. Woodguy:

    Less than a year ago we were arguing about Lucic you said that he was one of the worst contracts in the league and had negative value. How did that work out?

    He is on pace for 37 goals this year.

    I'm not trying to pick on you, the same as I wasn't trying to pick on you when I brought up your definitive Grebs statement but all this 3.0 crap really needs to stop. The things that would increase Tambellini's value in your eyes are the exact opposite of what the club really needs. I know you wont believe it but its true.

    Steve Tambellini is 1.0

    He was never 2.0 or 3.0 and he will never be 4.0

    But he's getting the job done.

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  63. Brule activated, if Chorney can't play - Struds is in!

    Plan the parade!

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  64. Strudwick is going to come out tonight and play with a massive chip on his shoulder.

    Unfortunately, the chip is so big he's completely immobile as well is ineffective.

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  65. @ Traktor

    But he's getting the job done.

    He should be fired just for his UFA signings alone.

    If you are of the belief that the Oilers are in last place because of some grand plan, then he is doing fine. I think if you take into account the Heatley debacle and the NK signing, it casts alot of doubt towards the whole "master plan" theory.

    The Oilers haven't been in the playoffs since the cup run and DFL the last two years. I cannot see how you can defend the management team.

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  66. Has anyone seen a report on what kind of shot Blum has? I hate the idea of having a PP dman with a muffin.

    No to zherdev, KHL bound. Yes to Stastny within reason, unfortunately I doubt reason will factor in to what COL is asking.

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  67. How about Gilbert and Penner for Luke Schenn

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  68. Monkeys are to butts what Luke Schenn is to Toronto.

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  69. "Steve Smith" said...

    A team offers you a third rounder. Do you take it? If so, what's the relevant distinction between that and the Staios situation?


    Are you talking about this deadline? If so...

    One additional year @ $3.75M, an extra $1MM/yr in cap hit, more than that in actual salary and the fact that below league average goaltending will hurt your team a lot more than a dman who would be in the 2nd pairing in a healthy depth chart?

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  70. Why are cap hit and salary relevant here, but not with Staios?

    As to the below average goaltending, if you make that trade your 2011-2012 tandem is Dubnyk-Pitton. Isn't that below average?

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  71. You know Rivers, you could be right. Maybe all that we've seen of Smid is all that he will ever be. 300 games is a long time. But there's a reason the LT and others recognize that Defensemen develop by sundial.

    Not two months ago Smid looked like a top 4 D-man as he was calmly making crisp passes out of trouble and skating (yes, that's right, actually moving the puck up ice himself) out of trouble and into the offensive zone.

    The only defenseman I can remember doing that as calmly in Oilers silks in the last decade (and then attacking the net as he did on several occasions) wore 44 during the 05-06 season.

    You have already admitted you don't like Smid, and that's your perogative. But ignoring the sparks that suggest he might be more than he has shown in his last five games is foolish at best and ignorant at worst.

    I will readily admit I don't know enough about Blum. I haven't seen him play, and by all accounts here, he looks to be a high-end prospect. He could be great value for 5. But I really doubt that Blum is available just so nash can have a cheap effective 5-6 guy. Sounds to me like Blum could be that guy too for a couple years, without the injury history.

    So, if that's the case, why trade for Smid, unless there's upside there? Like many of you have said, there are a lot of cheap, effective 5-6 d men around. Why trade such a highly touted prospect for one?

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  72. RQ: How is Steve Staios a top 4 Dman? On the Oilers or anywhere else? He is playing bottom pairing competition, with the benefit of nice zone starts (when he is not a healthy scratch, which he has been the majority of the year).

    He was a good Dman for a lot of years, but his time as a top 4 D is over.

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  73. Brad Richards is apparently in play. How about this:

    EDM trades Penner and Hemsky and gets 2 firsts, Schenn and Forbort and some salary

    DAL trades Richards and a 1st and some salary and gets Penner and Hemsky

    LA trades a first, Schenn and Forbort and gets Richards

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  74. "Steve Smith" said...
    Why are cap hit and salary relevant here, but not with Staios?


    No one said they weren't relevant - that's a straw man. It is absolutely a bigger issue when the costs are larger relative to the replacement cost. Especially since your scenario also adds an additional year at $3.75M.

    As to the below average goaltending, if you make that trade your 2011-2012 tandem is Dubnyk-Pitton. Isn't that below average?

    The argument around here is that Dubnyk is better than NK. If you believe that to be true, then the goaltending would probably be better. Unless of course you think Pitton is worse than replacement level for 25-30 starts.

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  75. Lowetide is there anyway to hear the Oilersnation radio shows? I dont see anything on Team 1260 or Oilersnation.

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  76. I'd be ok with Blum for Smid but then we'd have too many puck movers again...

    If that goes down the management must either be worried about Whitney long term or Gilbert could on the block again.

    Wasn't this supposed to be the year that Gilbert stepped up and was worth that $4M contract?

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  77. No one said they weren't relevant

    Apologies - that's what I interpreted your comment "I don't agree at all given the Oilers depth chart and cap space" to mean. So you do agree that Staios's contract mitigated in favour of dealing him?

    Unless of course you think Pitton is worse than replacement level for 25-30 starts.

    I think there's considerable evidence that he is. Additionally, what's stopping us from playing Dubnyk 50 to 55 games now?

    Here's why I make the Khabibulin trade: because he could be replaced with someone cheaper and better. The same was true of Staios. That Tambellini did not actually make that replacement doesn't make the Staios trade bad; it makes Tambellini's subsequent behaviour moronic.

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  78. How about we acquire one of those cheap backups who beg for a job each year instead of Pitton?

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  79. How about we acquire one of those cheap backups who beg for a job each year instead of Pitton?

    That's exactly my point. Evaluating trades that leave gaping holes on the assumption that those holes won't be filled is silly.

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  80. Or maybe it's not silly when Tambellini's your GM. But if that's your belief, you shouldn't trade Khabibulin, because it will leave Pitton on our "NHL team".

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  81. That's exactly my point. Evaluating trades that leave gaping holes on the assumption that those holes won't be filled is silly.

    Unless those trades open a hole that is very difficult to fill, such as a #1 center or Top 2 d-man. I'd agree with you on a Staois-class trade.

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  82. Unless those trades open a hole that is very difficult to fill, such as a #1 center or Top 2 d-man.

    Certainly fungibility decreases as player quality increases, so you're probably right - I was thinking of overpaid, middling-at-best players, like Staios and Khabibulin.

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  83. to crib off the guy who said he'd love to damn the puck-moving torpedoes and have six Rafalskis, well, I'm not saying Blum's a Rafalski or even a Gilbert but if he is a Gilbert then that's damn well better than being a Smid.

    and that's why I'd make the trade.

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  84. We're hearing rumours from the top that computerisation is about to come to our workplace. Does anyone else have this problem?

    Kevin Lowe

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  85. BTW, 67 Isn't in tonight's lineup.

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  86. BTW, Wings are about to get their full compliment of forwards back with Modano and Flippula soon to return so which two guys will sit?

    I'd say it has to be two of Draper-Eaves-Miller-Hulder.

    I figured I would talk about a real team for a change;)

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  87. LA trades a first, Schenn and Forbort and gets Richards

    That's a helluva price for a rental. I'd say there's zero chance of Lombardi suffering the brain damage necessary while remaining conscious and seemingly lucid in order to pull the trigger on that trade.

    Then again Dallas did Neal and Niskanen for Googlies so what do I know.

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  88. Wasn't this supposed to be the year that Gilbert stepped up and was worth that $4M contract?

    He has.
    Just imagine how good he'd be paired with another Top-4 defenseman!

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  89. Why don't we pick up Craig Rivet just for kicks?

    There's a good chance he'd retire rather than come I suppose, but we know from the Oates experience that there can be benefits beyond immediate on-ice production to bringing in a quality old vet to leave an impression with a young team.

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  90. Mr. De Bakey:

    Gilbert:
    2008-09:
    GP:82 G:5 A:40 P:45 +/-:6

    2009-10:
    GP:82 G:5 A:26 P:31 +/-:-10

    2010-11:
    GP:60 G:5 A:14 P:19 +/-:-15

    Sorry, but I don't see it even if goals are down team-wide the last 3 years.

    I could live with most of the defensive mistakes if he was improving offensively.

    Besides, Whitney was his pairing mate for a good part of the season.

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  91. Tencer update...

    Ok, so let's back up a touch. I'm told now that, despite being listed as active in their game notes, Brule has not been activated by Oilers.

    Gene was fooled as well.

    Brule was going to play but was overtaken by a demon, apparently. The exorcism is in progress and he's days away. Honest.

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  92. Brule isn't French for Drunken Irishman, is it? I'm part Scottish and too stupid and lazy to figure it out.

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  93. Rick:

    In a situation where this team is icing ONE player who can be legitimately argued as a top-four caliber defender on an average-to-good team, identifying said defender as the "problem", to put it in simple terms, is utterly ridiculous.

    End of story.

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  94. "...lately, he's honed that ability to the point where he no longer needs a member of the opposition to inflict injury. He's a do it yourselfer."

    Now that's a good line.

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  95. You mean Gilbert sucks? Really sucks?
    Why haven't I heard about this before? Whay hasn’t someone said something?
    This g-d comment section ain’t worth a pinch of coonshit.

    ES scoring chances, as counted by DK, broken down into 10-game segments, Game 60 was last night.

    Team > -33> -53> -22> -35> 16> -23
    Gilbert > 2 > -22 > 4 > -8 > 3 > 0

    YTD
    Team -150
    Gilbert -21

    He and Teddy have the highest Quality of Comp.
    Teddy is -61 this season

    Tom Gilbertov, closet KHLer

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  96. Tom Gilbertov, closet KHLer

    A collaborator of Horcov's, using Soviet-era mind control technology to extract absurd contracts despite being unable to play hockey properly?*

    *Source: a misspelled comment on OilersNation by somebody using the moniker "Mayor Poop".

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  97. Traktor,

    At the time there was a website up that showed every player's scoring rate with every team mate. I really miss that site.

    It showed that Lucic was a 4th liner when paired with anyone outside of Kessel and Bergeron (I think it was those two)

    He has certainly exceeded my expectations (even though 5 of his goals are EN, 5!), but I still think anyone making north of 4.0MM needs to be able to produce with everyone, Lucic hasn't shown that.

    I was wrong about Grebs and admitted as such.

    That is the difference between me and you Traktor. I state my opinion and try to back it up with evidence, and will admit when I'm wrong.

    He is Oiler GM v3.0

    V1.0 signed Khabby and traded for Heatley.

    V2.0 brought "clarity" to the organization and started to tear it down. Traded away every old vet he could and put 44 in the AHL.

    V3.0 is now charged with the future of the franchise. Once has has signed/traded 83 and 27, he will then become 4.0

    If you paid attention to my posts you would know that I am much more hopeful that v3.0 will actually do the right thing than most around here

    I can handle being called out. I can back up my assertions and I can admit when I'm wrong.

    I'm not someone who sticks to the same tired narratives when lots of evidence is presented to the contrary. I'm not someone who writes hateful childish stuff about people who disagree with my opinions.

    I'm not you Traktor. I can handle criticism.

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  98. Yeah, that was a great line from LT about 5 being able to injure himself primarily:)

    And on a personal note I'm still disappointed that Not One person gve me love for my Bunga Bunga reference last night during the game thread.

    Doesn't anyone here read the goddamn news!;)

    The thing I've discovered about 77 is that while he's good, he's not good enough to form a good pairing when being coupled with kids.

    I love 49 as much as the next guy and I have hopes he's able to be be something other than a thug on a game-to-game basis but right now he's not and it's easy to forget that he can be brutal handling the puck or with decision-making and being walked by opposing forwards.

    So, 77 can't do what Pronger did with MAB back in '06 but that doesn't mean he's not good.

    how good did 10 look last year when he was playing with 18-34 against tough opp?

    how good does he look this year in comparison?

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  99. http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/02/23/third-period-barrage.html?sid=101

    "As for general manager Scott Howson? He was in the building, too, no doubt fully embracing what is now a clear-cut role for him come Monday's NHL trade deadline. Howson has settled on being a "buyer," sources told The Dispatch last night."

    I wonder if they would make a desperation play for 83?

    We know Howson is familiar, we know CBJ is desperate, we know the Oilers loved Moore and loved Johanson (sp?).

    CBJ also has a 1st rounder, Filatov, Brassard and Voracek.

    Trak:

    How's SLAPSHOT! doing these days again?

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  100. *Source: a misspelled comment on OilersNation by somebody using the moniker "Mayor Poop".

    That's me! I'm that guy.

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  101. That's me! I'm that guy.

    Seriously? My apologies for attributing an opinion to you without bothering to see if you actually held it, but my feeling is that if people wanted their views to be accurately reported, they wouldn't i. go by "Mayor Poop", or ii. post said views at ON.

    Also, you were the subject of a Facebook status of mine one. Feel honoured.

    (Also, since you told me that you're not actually a boss, I'm skeptical as to whether you hold elected municipal office. Call me a cynic.)

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  102. Brian etc all:

    so it isn't enough that we have one disappointment from that shitty '07 draft?

    now we need another one!

    / runs and ducks for cover

    // actually likes 89 but just wanted to see how the other half lives.

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  103. Silvio Berlusconi, Dennis? I don't know that anything coming out of Italy qualifies as news, unless you only read the entertainment section.

    I was hung up on the fact that it sounded similar to a recurring line in the Backyardigans videos my kids watch, and ended up agreeing with "huh" as a comment.

    77 ain't bad, but he's on a baaaad team that has a way of making good players look like garbage. Frequently. I wonder who's responsible for that?

    Fortunately the scuttlebutt has the best players on the team on the way out for more of the middling masses other teams don't want.

    BTW, how come the Oil haven't grabbed Svatos and Zherdev right now? Being in last place is only good for waiver claims and draft picks, doesn't v3.0 know this?

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  104. Screw Stasny. Maybe Buffalo can be convinced to trade Vanek.

    How about: Hall, Hemsky, Penner, MPS and Oilers 2011 1st round pick?

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  105. Lots of trade talk on here today.
    I hope we do not do anything too clever that will push us out of a top pick at the draft.
    We have suffered through 60 odd games lets not wreck it with 20 games to go.
    The trade deadline should be for minor housecleaning not medium to large whale hunting

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  106. Congratulations hunter, your application to be GM of the Oilers has been received by the organisation, and is being given deep and serious analysis.

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  107. Hunter: I'll have to think about it.

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  108. I think Brad Richards and Dean Lombardi will save us from losing 83.

    As far as I can see - and that might not be very far because teams are coming from nowhere:) - only Wsh and LA are out there to make the big move.

    How long is Backstrom out for the Caps? Maybe Richards goes there.

    But right now I'm hoping Lombardi can't turn down Richards and then we should be safe. I know he's looking for preferably a winger but he could put Richards on with Kopitar-Brown and one of those pivots could take the winger bullet.

    they've still got stoll-handzus for the 2-3 centre spots.

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  109. Gregor has the Hawks interested in Smid as well now.

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  110. Does David Poile read these posts and then decide he doesn't want to give us Blum for Smid anymore?

    I'm serious. Does the fact that the Oilogosphere completely outpaces that of any other team create a competitive disadvantage for the Oilers?

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  111. I read somewhere that you can gauge the efficacy of some medications by how long after your initial dose Ladislav Smid stops reminding you of Chris Pronger.

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  112. (Also, since you told me that you're not actually a boss, I'm skeptical as to whether you hold elected municipal office. Call me a cynic.)

    I'm not mayor poop and ON sucks.

    BUT I could be the boss of your heart?

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  113. BUT I could be the boss of your heart?

    Hmm. My heart's currently got you slotted in as Associate Director of Arterial Affairs. But if your next performance review is good, the sky's the limit. Well, the aorta, anyway.

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  114. Blum is surplus in Nashville. They have Weber (and Ellis coming).

    Nashville is arguably a contender right now. Smid is a cheap depth defenseman who can help them for the next couple of years or longer.

    Blum and Petry battle for one spot long term. Nothing wrong with competition. If both turn out, it then affords the option of trading Gilbert in the future.

    Re: Stastny

    Colorado just traded for Johnson, which means they probably wouldn't be interested in Blum or Petry. Maybe they would want Gilbert back.

    I think it would have to be Gagner, Hartikainen or PItlick(to replace Stewart), and the Oilers 2nd rounder (low 30 something). Or trade Penner or Hemsky for something Colorado would want.

    But I really think Colorado is thinking more like Stastny to LA for Schenn. a young defenseman, and Bernier. i.e they were willing to trade Steward to get their defenseman(Johnson), they are willing to trade Stastny if they can get their goaltender(Bernier) and a second line centre(Schenn) to play behind Duschene.

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  115. Nice burn Slipper. I'm not so out of it as to say that Smid and Pronger are near the same caliber of player, but if we're talking about what his ceiling is... there have been some things he's done this season that make me question the idea that he won't be an impact defenseman. I had expected that some other people might take up this question, and look at it, but I think my example may have hurt my point.

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  116. Dennis: I saw it but not until this morning. I know the phrase courtesy the Colbert Report, which sadly is my number one news source now.

    Off topic: Craig Ramsay looks and sounds like Robin Williams Dad. on valium.

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  117. The Edmonton Oilers admit the calls are pouring in with interest for Ladislav Smid, Ales Hemsky and Dustin Penner - to name but a few. However, Oilers management insists there is nothing imminent and the team will only consider making a significant move if the deal vastly improves Edmonton's future.

    The latest from Dreger (TSN)

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  118. Woodguy: You have to take the qual stats with a grain of salt when a team has players out there on a regular basis who can't actually fill the assigned role. If everyone else on the ice is covering up for the fact that Frank Burns can't sew, his qual is unjustly inflated, and everyone else goes alchy for trying too hard.

    I also think that suspect goal tending does more to tilt the landscape than these metrics reveal.

    While Hawkov was occupied with his kindergarten cop routine, Gagner was promoted from highway patrol to narc squad. That's just not right. Kinda like assigning Charles Winchester to a M*A*S*H unit then sending him up the Nung river under deep cover. The man with gifted hands has no meatball skills. Good with a radar gun, bad with a handgun.

    What's Charles worth on a PT boat, and how do the qual ratings reflect this?

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  119. This blog needs more Captain Tuttle.

    Bunga,Bunga.

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  120. Didn't mean to stir the dirt so much with Gilbert. He may drive me crazy from time to time, but is obviously the 2nd best defenseman we have.

    My point was that if the Oilers were shopping him at last year's deadline and supposedly close to a deal, there's nothing saying that they're not shopping him his year.

    Especially if they're looking for a young puck mover in return for some of their assets.

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  121. Charles wouldn't be worth much on a PT boat. As soon as the bullets started flying, you'd never know when he might get obsessed with getting in the injured guys' faces and asking them if they smell bread.

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  122. Which, if any, do you suppose is most variable?

    Goals, from one season to the next, by a forward.
    Assists, from one season to the next, by a forward.

    Goals, from one season to the next, by a defenseman.
    Assists, from one season to the next, by a defenseman.

    I feel like the less you shoot, the easier it is for your numbers to be swayed by random chance, so boxcars should be more naturally variable for D. Other than that, help?

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  123. the team will only consider making a significant move if the deal vastly improves Edmonton's future.

    1. Shouldn't they go for any deal that improves Edmonton's future? Or are we talking long term future vs. next year?

    2. It's hard to not improve on the worst. And we are the worst. Except for maybe the Clippers. Those guys are bad.

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  124. Kris: They ain't got nothing on the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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  125. I read somewhere that you can gauge the efficacy of some medications by how long after your initial dose Ladislav Smid stops reminding you of Chris Pronger.

    Haha, you make me laugh, Slipper. That's brilliant.

    @RiversQ: Funny, my recollection of the Staios/Smid pair was that it was predominantly Suicide Steve ringing the puck round the boards and Smid who was taking the pounding as a result. Of course there was some both ways, neither guy could be confused with Lubo Visnovsky.

    Btw, you asked what's up with Penner last night, and I've been wondering the same thing. He's prone to the odd real bad game from time to time, but this stretch of about five games is about as bad as I've seen him.

    Today a commenter at Cult of Hockey suggested Dustin hasn't looked the same since Sbisa rocked him in the Ducks game. I missed that one game so didn't see the hit but I will say that his play since then has been consistent with an injury or even bell-rung scenario, he's been real bad. Anyone here remember that hit?

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  126. I predict the Oilers make due with Struddy in the meantime, and let Plante stay in the AHL for the sake of both the Barons, and Plante's development.

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  127. "At the time there was a website up that showed every player's scoring rate with every team mate. I really miss that site.

    It showed that Lucic was a 4th liner when paired with anyone outside of Kessel and Bergeron (I think it was those two)"

    And when we look back it shows just how wrong some of these stat websites are.

    I know you base your opinion of other players predominantly on stats and I'm just trying to show you that a lot of what you believe is wrong so your opinion of Tambellini is flawed from the beginning.

    "He has certainly exceeded my expectations (even though 5 of his goals are EN, 5!), but I still think anyone making north of 4.0MM needs to be able to produce with everyone, Lucic hasn't shown that."

    Lucic's numbers are only half the equation and just because the stat guys can't quantify intangibles doesn't mean the don't exist.

    "That is the difference between me and you Traktor. I state my opinion and try to back it up with evidence, and will admit when I'm wrong."

    But sometimes when we are wrong we need to go back a couple steps and not continue to build on faulty foundations.

    Horcoff could be traded tomorrow for a 7th round draft pick and free the club out of 19.5M remaining on Horcoff's contract and some of the people around here that evaluate Tambellini would think it was a poor deal.

    That is a huge problem.

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  128. Traktor:

    Cap space is useless if you don't use it.

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  129. "Cap space is useless if you don't use it."

    19.5M real money is valuable.

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  130. They should also trade that shrimp Gagner.

    Too small, too slow, poopie.

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  131. Traktor, did the epic story of young Andrew teach you nothing at all?

    Anon, Staios is absolutely not a top four dman anymore. He's not a good defenseman. He'd still play in the 2nd pair on this Oilers team and probably be their best PKer. This team stinks.

    Bruce, it was absolutely that way in Smid's first two years. Last year it was every man for himself so I think that colours things differently.

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  132. Washington should trade that Ovechkin fellow, he's due to make another $77,000,000 on his contract.

    Just imagine what Washington could do with that kind of money.

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  133. "Washington should trade that Ovechkin fellow, he's due to make another $77,000,000 on his contract."

    yes, lets compare the contract of a generational talent to the contract of Shawn Horcoff, a third line plug.

    With all due respect PDO if you were a Leafs fan you would be calling Clarke MacArthur a top 15 winger in the game.

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  134. PDO - Trak's point is valid. Finding a replacement for Horcoff with the money the Oilers have spent on him is a much easier task than finding a replacement for Ovechkin with the money the Caps have spent on him.

    Or try it this way, if both were available, what should another team offer up to get them on their current deals?

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  135. Gentlemen! Why are you fighting? This is the War Room!

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  136. With all due respect PDO if you were a Leafs fan you would be calling Clarke MacArthur a top 15 winger in the game.

    Based on?

    You're the one that loved the Souray contract and wanted Brule to be signed for 3 years, remember?

    He's had a great season, but it's an outlier right now and nothing more.

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  137. Oh, and thought Cogliano could finish better than Mario...

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  138. MacArthur has never had a season like this before, is truculent, has the second best QOT relative Corsi and the 9th QOC relative Corsi.

    Eerily similar season to Brule, just on a larger scale.

    You sure you weren't talking about yourself there cowboy?

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  139. PDO: I'd suggest just ignoring anyone who calls Shawn Horcoff a "third line plug". It's a pretty good sign that the subject doesn't know a damn thing about winning NHL hockey games and prefers to gush over players who skate really fast but don't actually accomplish anything tangible (regardless of what David Staples questionable and completely subjective "error statistics" might suggest).

    On that note, I'd really like to see Hall and Eberle with one of our two actual NHL centers (Horcoff or Gagner) for the final 20 games of the season, rather than having Cogliano drag down those two superb young talents. Which I am assuming will take care of itself once Tambellini (hopefully) completes the pump-and-dump of #13 sometime on Monday morning - might be nice if he found us an actual veteran center for the third line in the process that would help out beyond the final quarter of this year.

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  140. This blog and TSN(for the scores and standings) provides what anyone above the level of a 10-13 year old needs to understand the true public state of the Oilers.

    I wouldn't be surprised if half the team reads this daily, for fits and giggles. The brighter ones, who understand how to turn on a computer that is.

    The mainstream local press re anything OIlers act as little more than a shill for the front office, and reads a lot like the pathetic canned music played at the arena.

    Too bad Katz made his money in the drugstore business. If he'd been a media baron, we might have a first class on/off presentation at Rexall, instead of Hooterville 2.0

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  141. Dammit, TSN just updated their front page to include a lead story regarding the trade deadline with a picture of Ales Hemsky beside it.

    It nearly gave me a heart attack.

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  142. Watching Hopkins on Sportsnet West right now. It's a bit of an eye opener. At even strength he's playing with some plugs who fan on wide open nets. He's such a great distributor of the puck, it really jumps out at you.

    Surprisingly he's also got some grit. He tracks his check pretty well and plays chippy, giving them whacks and finishing his checks when he can.

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  143. Ok, I'll be the first to admit that the overall level of "sexy" in women's curling has improved immensely in the past few years, but TSN better finish up with this coverage before faceoff in Denver.

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  144. Sportsnet PBP just noted that MBS is in attendance at Ice-Rebels game.

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  145. I flipped on the TSN page and saw a big picture of Hemsky. Made me cold with dread until I read the byline. Kind of telling about my faith in ST.

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  146. Hopkins on for a goal against where he finds himself on the wrong side of his man along the boards. His man is able to move toward the net and feeds a defender slipping into the slot. Hopkins could have probably identified the defender and took away his stick but instead chased his lost check behind the net.

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  147. Wow, Jennifer Jones has that look to her.

    The "you can get with me, but don't think for a second I'll let on that I'm enjoying it" look.

    For all the attractive twentysomethings in the Scotties this year, Jones and her 36 year old self might still take the title as hottest. Damn blondes, get me every time...

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  148. TSN said...
    The Edmonton Oilers admit the calls are pouring in with interest for Ladislav Smid, Ales Hemsky and Dustin Penner -to name but a few. However, Oilers management insists there is nothing imminent and the team will only consider making a significant move if the deal vastly improves Edmonton's future.

    And then BobbyMac confirms it on air, for Dennis' benefit.
    ;o)

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  149. Bruce said....
    Btw, you asked what's up with Penner last night, and I've been wondering the same thing. He's prone to the odd real bad game from time to time, but this stretch of about five games is about as bad as I've seen him.

    Today a commenter at Cult of Hockey suggested Dustin hasn't looked the same since Sbisa rocked him in the Ducks game. I missed that one game so didn't see the hit but I will say that his play since then has been consistent with an injury or even bell-rung scenario, he's been real bad. Anyone here remember that hit?


    I don't remember that hit, but hasn't the slump lasted approximately the same amount of time as his brand new marriage?

    Maybe the bell-rung symptoms is consistant with a headboard issue...

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  150. Strudwick and Joanette? We are losing this game.

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  151. Thanks, Deano. It will ease the frustration knowing ahead of time.

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  152. How can Joanette still officiate Oiler games?

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  153. Good thing Cogs didn't win that face off.

    I don't want any reason to say something nice about him tonite.

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  154. I'm at camp, I have no TV worth mentioning.

    So I go to TSN, check the scores, I see it's "0-0" with 7:55 left in the first, and ask myself "how bad are the Oilers being outshot?" Because, of course, they're always being outshot.

    However, 11-1 with two third of the period left is atrocious even by these Oilers' standards.

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  155. Every now and then even a blind dog gets a bone.

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  156. Yup, every now and then a blind dog makes a perfect pass. Exactly the same thing.

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  157. Why's Linus scratched? If he was healthily scratched to make room for MacIntyre, my head will explode (though it's getting used to it by now).

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  158. Showcasing Ryan Jones on the third line? I'm starting to hope they keep him for his great attitude alone.

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  159. Well, it seems logical that they'll either trade him or re-up him; not much point in having him play out this lost season and then bolt for nothing. I favour the first option because i. I think he probably has some value, and ii. I'm kind of scared about the figure at which he'd re-up. If the Oilers sign him to a $975K per year extension, I've no real objection (provided that that's part and parcel with unloading a bunch of our other permanent fourth liners).

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  160. Don't worry "Steve"

    Mac is in for JFJ.

    O'mark's scratched for Fraser's offense

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  161. pierre's eyes are monsters!

    'that's a penalty'
    'that's not a penalty. right call.'

    'comes back after getting a cut above his eye.' (guy cut clearly on his nose)

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  162. Well, between the massive whiff on a possible five-star opportunity in the slot and running into his left winger, that was an outstanding period from Andrew Cogliano....

    ....but not for the right reasons. This is not helping the pump 'n dump at all.

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  163. Oilers on the laptop, WHL on the tube...

    I stand by my Penner honeymoon slump theory. A couple of games away from a homestand and he pots a goal. Penner doesn't have enough stamina to stay up all night and go hard to the net.

    Rebels/Ice: RNH gets noticed for a shot block, defying the one dimensional tag. Max Reinhart of Kooteny shows a little of the old man's (Paul) sublime skill and defenseman Matthew Dumba shows a "wide range of skills" on the Rebel blueline. Dumba can skate.

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  164. Dumba is gonna be a first rounder in his draft year. Amazing 16 year old season.

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  165. A propos nothing, I was just on the Oilers page at nhlnumbers (to check Ryan Jones' salary), and noticed that Jim Vandermeer is our third highest paid defenseman (not counting Souray).

    "Ha ha!" I thought to myself, "Vandermeer's making $2.3 million, more than such superior defensemen as...um...well, shit."

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  166. Schenn has 39 points in 16 games since being traded to the Blades. Hmmm.

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  167. I didn't watch the first period. What the hell was Cogliano doing on that play Hall knocked him over?

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  168. "Just spoke with good source. Kings really want Hemsky. Oilers want Schenn. Curious if it actually happens."

    - Jason Gregor

    I have a feeling Lombardi is completely willing to part with Schenn, but won't offer him up until the last second because he doesn't want to move anything with him.

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  169. 3-10 chances in the first period and according to PDO Gregor had an interesting tweet about 83, the Kings and Schenn.

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  170. Whoops Hallsy... damn Rexall ice. Oh wait.

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  171. As the saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

    I suspect, as PDO said above, that Lombardi will hold until the 11th hour to limit the return on Hemsky (or whoever else he has his eye on).

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  172. Well, if you're Lombardi you probably have to view Schenn as having his highest possible value right now. He had a great WJC and he's tearing it up on the best team in the WHL. You want to move him now.

    Why would he want to move a player like Schenn? Well, at his age and with his skillset Schenn should be excelling at the junior level. However, in his brief stints in the NHL and at training camps he hasn't excelled. His size is good at the junior level, but only average at the NHL level. Similarly, his skating is passable at the junior level but might need some work to have success in the NHL.

    So, despite all of his success this year, Schenn is still not a guaranteed NHLer, let alone a #1C.

    Lombardi is a shrewd GM. It'll be interesting to see what he does with Schenn.

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  173. If Gregor is right we could soon be deep at center with Schenn AND Seguin!

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  174. Let's say that Hemmer for Schenn deal happens straight up at the deadline. Do people here give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down?

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  175. Do people here give it a thumbs-up or thumbs-down?

    Too many unknowns: if Hemsky wasn't going to re-sign and if this was the best available return (which I find eminently plausible), I'm okay with it. Otherwise, not.

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  176. Ask me again in 3 years. My magic 8 ball is in the shop.

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  177. "YEAH SAM, FUCKIN RIGHTS BOYS!"

    On ice mics are awesome.

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  178. Time is not on Lombardi's side in the negotiation. He needs Hemsky ASAP for the stretch drive and playoffs. Tambo does not get Schenn until training camp.

    Waiting should not benefit Lombardi against a skilled negotiator.

    Just say no until Lombardi adds enough.

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  179. Gagner scores. More importantly, I don't think he made any errors on the goal.

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  180. PDO: Was that something Jones said?

    He looks like the type with a Sunnyvale Trailer Park vocabulary.

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  181. Thumbs down for Schenn for Hemmer straight up.

    Its not a bird in the hand and only one in the bush.

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