This is Shea Weber. The Lowetide blog has become the official "let's get Weber" site and honestly I'm on board. I doubt it happens (Weber is an rfa this summer) because Nashville will no doubt do everything in their power to make sure he stays with the Preds.
Nashville lost Dan Hamhuis to free agency, but Weber is another player altogether. He currently leads his team in points, has scored 20 goals in an NHL season previously and checks out at a high level across the board.
He plays the tough minutes, his RelCorsi is quality and unlike some of the other Nashville cats he's not on a contract that will send him to free agency. I frankly don't know why Nashville would consider trading him until they've exhausted all avenues.
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A nice article here about how an injury impacted two lives. Well worth the time to read it.
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David Staples has an article up about Sam Gagner's defensive struggles. It is here. It's a good read, but I would like to point out that Gagner's recent run (8gp, 1-1-2 -8) coincides with his playing on a line with two rookies. I don't want to get in the way of Staples error counting, but did want to point out that Sam Gagner is 38gp, 10-16-26 -3 outside the recent run with the kids. 21, folks. He's 21.
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Watching the Oilers lose is still painful, but with such a wonderful future on display it's a lot easier than it was a year ago. The sheer number of quality kids under 22 is a marvel. Hang in there, it's going to be fun one of these years.
I would love to have Shea in oiler silks. I would also love to see the oilers make an offersheet to luke Schenn.
ReplyDeleteWould be so nice to see burkie blow his top.
Would be so nice to see burkie blow his top.
ReplyDeletemeh. Been there. Done that.
Bang on on Weber. He only comes out after Nashville runs out of options.
As an alternative strategy, I'd like to see someone like Nashville, if they can't afford him, sign him to what he wants anyway and then work with him to trade him before next season.
To get weber we'd have to give up so good picks(no go for rebuild)
ReplyDeleteWith NJ's win yesterday, Sagarin's computer has the Oilers 30th this morning.
ReplyDeleteThey should give Kovalchuk's dough to Lemaire.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a trade to get Regehr here. I know he isn't popular, but he is getting the job done defensively and has a reasonable cap hit and contract that goes away at the right time for this team. I bet all you'd have to give up is Omark and a 2nd to get him too.
ReplyDeleteHaha LT,
ReplyDeleteGet Weber should be slogan for this off season! I am ready to organize rallies in front of Rexall Place for that!
Watching the kids develop is great, although never forget that, for every rebuild a la CHI or PIT, there's an ATL.
ReplyDeleteWhat about trading Gilbert for Weber? If I am Nashville I would do that deal. I suspect they know they cannot afford him moving forward.
ReplyDeleteWe get an upgrade into a very good top pairing guy and have the money to sign Weber to whatever deal he wants.
I would LOVE to get Regehr. Absolutely hate the SOB but he is so incredibly hard to play against. Would Smid and picks for Regehr get it done?
With those two deals and Whitney coming back we have a top 7-8 D in the entire league
I've posted on other sites many times that the Oilers should do everything in their power short of trading Hall to get Shea Weber if Nashville decides they can't afford him this offseason.
ReplyDeleteOf course, I've been just as adamant that there are a lot better ways for the Preds to save money than letting their best player go. Especially when he's 24 and already one of the best players at his position.
As for giving up picks to get him being detrimental to the rebuild, I don't see how aquiring a 24 year old Norris candidate would be a bad thing for the future of this team.
Quiet here today ... too quiet.
ReplyDelete...
Picks are good but the idea is acquiring as much talent as possible. If Weber were available and they could get him on a longterm deal then they would have to go for it. Same as any quality player who would help them win when the window opens.
Watching Hawks-Flyers. Great game. Loaded with talent.
Pisani has carved a nice role out, same old Fernando. PK, playing tough minutes with Bolland and doing it well.
This Leddy kid the Hawks picked up looks pretty good, rich get richer.
If I'm David Poile, the starting point is Hall or Eberle, Petry, and Gilbert for an extended Weber.
ReplyDeleteHow long do you think Toonces would take to evaluate that one?
So yah, no chance he ends up an Oiler.
I've been watching some of the Devils games lately and they are playing well and playing to win. I think Ottawa and NYI are going to be the two teams at the bottom of the East.
ReplyDeleteI'd seriously consider Eberle, Gilbert and Petry for an extended Weber.
ReplyDeleteWhat we gain from Weber over Gilbert is much greater than what we lose from Eberle down to Omark.
(I have to confess that I am not a really big fan of either Eberle or Gilbert).
Weber is effectively an unrestricted free agent guys.
ReplyDeleteTrading for him is insanity.
If you want him there are only two ways to get him
1) RFA offer sheet this summer
2) UFA offer sheet the following summer.
The first option is NOT going to happen (and is not really wise). Weber or Nashville is going to opt for arbitration if a new deal has NOT been signed by July 1.
So all the Weber talk is really just pointless hot air.
Weber wants to play for a contender. Prediction: Weber opts for arbitration, and waits to see what other moves Nashville makes this summer before he commits long term to Nashville. If Nashville doesn't do enough, he then goes UFA the following summer, and chooses his own destination.
I cannot believe that people would suggest the Oilers make an offersheet or trade young assets for anyone at this point.
ReplyDeleteIts like the world really is going to end in 2012 and people want to see the Oilers make the playoffs one more time before we all blow up. The lack of patience is amazing.
Maybe Brian Burke is taking control of the Oilersphere.
I respect Staples for doing all the work he does, but his error stat is fairly useless if he doesn't take into account quality of competition or teammates.
Exciting last place hockey is much more exciting with Eberle than without. What's the latest news with his ankle?
ReplyDeleteThe Oilers PP shouldn't gain any ground against NSH's 6th ranked PK.
As for Weber, wow, glad I'm part of the "let's get Weber" fan club.
Having him would be nice, but probably won't happen.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of NYI - I know Garth Snow is just a puppet for Wang, but what's he trying to prove attempting to pick up Nabokov?
ReplyDeleteMaybe you should ask before hand if he'll even play with your sh**ty team.
Question: How did Charles Wang get to be an NHL owner anyway? And how does that crazy mofo get a franchise and Balsille doesn't?
What a joke of a franchise NYI has become. Trottier, Bossy, and Potvin must get ill when they talk about the current state of the Islanders.
Weber wants to play for a contender.
ReplyDeleteIf the Oilers play their cards right, they could be a contender pretty shortly. I know it's unlikely these guys will make the right moves, but a player like Weber, a couple of decent veteran contracts, retain 27 and 83, and being 1-2 yrs older is all it takes.
SK Oiler fan - what happened is exactly why Nabokov has to go through waivers in the first place.
ReplyDeleteTeams at the bottom of the standings get first dibs before teams at the top of the standings get richer with players that have been stashed in other leagues.
the starting point is Hall or Eberle, Petry, and Gilbert for an extended Weber
ReplyDeleteIf Phil Esposito was GM of the Oilers, it'd already be a done deal.
@ Other John: David Poile is not doing Webber for Gilbert straight up unless he's smoking the drapes. Gilbert is a fine 2nd pairing d-man but comes no where near replacing Webber in Poile's line up.
ReplyDelete@ SK Oiler Fan: You're right. The starting point of any deal for Webber would include Hall and others. Nashville would need value contracts, and kids coming back to help them win immediately. They need to sell tickets and trading their best asset would be a VERY hard sell to their fanbase short of getting a value superstar back.
I like the kids that MBS has given Renney to work with. Sadly that has been the easy part of the rebuild given how badly KLowe and now Toonces have fouled this team up.
But there are a couple of key holes that must filled going into next season WITH QUALITY VETS. A 3C who can kill penalties, another vet d-man (preferably 2nd pairing) so 58/5 is your third pairing and a vet goalie to replace 35.
Deano,
ReplyDeleteI said Hall or Eberle, but in all likelihood he's be asking for Hall instead and we're not even mentioning the 1st rounder Poile would likely ask for to top it off.
Ducey,
This isn't just anyone we're talking about giving up assets for.
If you get a perrenial Norris condidate to sign a 6-10 year deal, he's here for the rebuilding, when the team is theoretically a contender,and when they're crap.
If Poile even considers talking to Toonces about Weber you do whatever you can realistically do to get him.
Deano,
ReplyDeleteI understand the system, but why would Snow even attempt the claim without knowing if the player will consider playing for your team?
Besides that - is Nabokov going to make a positive or negative difference in their W/L record? Not likely.
The Manitoba Moose should be let into the the NHL and the Islanders should be demoted to the AHL. The league would be better off.
The Islanders need a goaltender. I think DiPietro is hurt again, and they want their 3rd goaltender to play in the minors, so they need a someone to share time with Lawson.
ReplyDeleteThe Ruotsalainen Rule is a good rule, or Nick Lidstrom would play another 5 years, playing only from the trade deadline on like Rexy did.
For those interested in such things, I've posted up some stats on Tom Gilbert v 9 other NHL defensemen in an effort to determine if Tom Gilbert is overpaid this season with a $4 mil Cap Hit.
ReplyDeleteThese were the players selected for the analysis:
TOM POTI
TOM GILBERT
BRYAN ALLEN
JONI PITKANEN
CORY SARICH
FRANCOIS BEAUCHEMIN
RYAN WHITNEY
MARK EATON
CHRIS PHILLIPS
DUSTIN BYFUGLIEN
Two of the players (Whitney and Pitkanen) have the same Cap Hit as Gilbert. All the rest have lesser hits ranging from $3.6 for Sarich to $2.5 for Eaton.
All are on UFA contracts. All play on lousy teams with the exception of the outlier - Byfuglien. I selected him because Atlanta was crappy as recently as last year and his contract represents the kind of value I'd like to see Oil mgmt. achieving on a more frequent basis with their signings.
The breakdown can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sNCce2SBJxUnzEdzKbDkzN_-KjMbDYpACcRpYmiPpf8/edit?hl=en&authkey=CKW-0fYJ
I think the data speaks for itself and points to the fact that Gilbert should not be paid as an top tier defensman in this league. That said, giveaways and the various +/- metrics aside where his performance is completely dire, the numbers show him to be a better defenseman than I would've expected. If he could lessen his tendency for coughing up the puck, I think he'd be a solid 2nd pairing guy for the Oil provided he had a shutdown defender opposite him.
Because he has his own injury problems or simply because he can.
ReplyDeleteBoth are valid enough reasons.
Let me flip it around on you why should he just step back out of the way and let Nabokov go by?
If Nabokov wants back into the league whats wrong with a half-season audition with the Islanders?
Eberle and Hall could end up being 2/3 of team Canada's starting lineup, but some of you want to already trade them for magic beans?
ReplyDeleteWell, at least Tambo isn't anywhere near that stupid. Is he?
hunter, feel free to apologize for calling me stupid to my face.
ReplyDeleteNot saying I'm for or against any of these crazy trade proposals that will never happen, but wow.
ReplyDeleteWeber does not = Magic Beans.
I understand that POV goddot. The waiver system is there for a purpose.
ReplyDeleteHunter,
ReplyDelete"Eberle and Hall COULD end up being 2/3 of team Canada's starting lineup"? Guess what, Weber IS a top 2-3 defenceman for Team Canada now, and for many years to come...How is it that Shea is the "magic beans" in this scenario and not the other way around?
Well, in regards to waivers and Nabokov. The NHL should probably change the rule a little.
ReplyDeleteEither free agents who are signed part way through the season shouldn't have to pass through waivers. Or, if a team like NYI claim said player off of waivers they should be able to trade the asset without having to expose said player again to waivers.
Holy crap, you have to be kidding me. JF "The Threat" Jacques misses the net in the hardest shot competition. Wow.
ReplyDeleteSmid missed a practice in there somewhere. I hope it's just his neck acting up and not concussion problems.
Yeah well, you can fantasize all you like about trading away your team's best young players in order to acquiring another team's assets, or you can watch as your own grow up together.
ReplyDeleteIt's a choice between the NY Islanders model of the late 70's, or the LA Kings model of the early 70's.
The odds are Hall, Eberle and company will love playing for the Oilers. Why? Because they're pretty well forced to remain here until it dawns on them that it's not the worst place in the world to play hockey.
Assuming they did manage to get him, what happens when Weber pulls a Chris Pronger after a single season? Eric Cole hated it here, as did Pitkanen. Then there's Heatley.
Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
It sounds like theyre going to take some All-Star rookies to replace the injured players. I imagine Skinner has the fast track to first picked but maybe Hall gets in there. That'd be nice.
ReplyDeleteY'all are dumb
ReplyDeleteIf the Oilers play their cards right, they could be a contender pretty shortly. I know it's unlikely these guys will make the right moves, but a player like Weber, a couple of decent veteran contracts, retain 27 and 83, and being 1-2 yrs older is all it takes.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what cards you play to get Weber this offseason and still keep all the current assets.
If you need Weber then wait a year or two rather than this offseason.
By waiting, you can go after him when he is FA (and give up nothing), when your team is coming on (not right after finishing 30th), once you have another lottery draft or two, and once Hall et al. are 2 years older.
You add the whale at the end, not mid-stream.
Any team that signs him is likely signing him for for 4-10 years. So you don't have the luxury of waiting till he's UFA.
ReplyDeleteShea Weber controls his owns destination guys.
ReplyDeleteThrowing Taylor Hall or whatever at Nashville has NO impact on where Weber ends up.
What about being one year from UFA status do you people NOT understand?
Giving stuff to Nashville is actually counterproductive because you are weakening your own team, and being a weaker team lessens that chance that Weber signs with you as a RFA or UFA.
There is a chance Weber will test the UFA market in 2012.
So the Oilers best chance at getting him is signing a veteran defensive D to pair with Gilbert for a shutdown pairing, and sign a competent 3rd line centre, and resolving what happens to Hemsky and Penner, and looking like a team of the near future next season, to get in the game if Weber goes to UFA status.
Or you don't add any whales.
ReplyDeleteChicago's cap problems can be almost entirely blamed on signing Campbell, Huet and Hossa when the guys that they developed themselves turned out to be as good or better than the whales. They then had to dump their younger, cheaper, equally effective players for pennies on the dollar because of the millstone contracts of the aforementioned whales.
No thanks.
I would swap problems with the Hawks anyday.
ReplyDeleteWhat about being one year from UFA status do you people NOT understand?
ReplyDeleteI don't think anyone here would make a deal without a new contract already in place. We're talking about trading for a signed Weber.
I don't know what cards you play to get Weber this offseason and still keep all the current assets.
ReplyDeleteThe 1st rounder, Paajarvi, anyone not named Hall, Eberle or Gagner. I'm sure you could put a package together but it would involve defining the window of opportunity. The Oilers seem unwilling to do that right now.
I think that's the mistake that Atl, NYI, etc made - they just collected assets like so many handfuls of sand and then watched it all slip through their fingers.
There are two good reasons to start getting serious here. Next year is the last year of the value contracts to 27 and 83. 2012/2013 is the last year of the entry level deals to 4, 14, and 91. If you wait until after both of those years, you'd better have a pretty good plan.
These were the players selected for the analysis:
ReplyDeleteWhat criteria did you apply in selecting those players?
Was the error of NYI and ATL collecting assets and doing nothing with them or collecting sub par assets?
ReplyDeleteWhat criteria did you apply in selecting those players?
ReplyDeleteThat was my first question. Then I reconsidered his first sentence and moved along.
Schitzo,
ReplyDeleteAgreed, I would have thought that the understanding all through this discussion was that any trade for Weber is an extended Weber for alot of years and alot of $$.
When he reaches UFA status is of little consideration other than having to buy his UFA years with a ridiculous contract offer.
//I don't think anyone here would make a deal without a new contract already in place. We're talking about trading for a signed Weber.//
ReplyDeleteYou guys are really living in fantasyland then. If Nashville signs him, they are not going to trade him.
Weber will be choosing his own destination. The only way to get him to make your destination an attractive one.
Trading assets to get him for one year hurts the chance of getting him long term.
Nashville has no money issues in attempting to sign Weber. The issue Weber is concerned about is whether Nashville will spend on more than him.
ReplyDeleteWhich is why he will why the likely outcome is that Weber will opt for arbitration, and see what other moves Nashville makes this summer before deciding whether to ink a long term deal there or opt for UFA status.
If the Oilers want Weber, the priority is fixing all the egregious holes next summer and being competitive for a playoff spot next year. A veteran D. A 3rd line centre. And signing Hemsky and Penner, or trading them for good players.
Was the error of NYI and ATL collecting assets and doing nothing with them or collecting sub par assets?
ReplyDeleteNailed it.
If this team wins a Cup, it will be because the kids take them there.
If you added Shea Weber to NYI they still don't win anything.
NYI and ATL made some bad trades for players who left as UFA's after the season in an attempt to squeak into the playoffs (Smyth, Tkachuk). So were they guilty of too much patience or not enough?
ReplyDeleteNYI and Atl missed a few but boy they collected a lot of talent too. The Isles basically could have had the Sens' cup runs for example.
ReplyDeleteGospelofJon: That argument is silly on many levels. Both teams had been rebuilding for over 5 yrs before those deals. Both teams said goodbye to talent long before those deals happened. They were also doing so under a much more favourable CBA with respect to homegrown player and cost control.
ReplyDeleteLastly, the Isles gave up nothing for Smyth and they knew it.
Godot,
ReplyDeleteNashville has no money issues in attempting to sign Weber.
Really?
Thomas Cigarran may disagree with you there.
Weber wants to play for a contender
Do you have a quote with him saying as much? His next contract (assuming he doesn't go to arb) will be the richest of his career. He may follow the money. I doubt he signs with a horrible team, but the Oilers should be non/horrible starting next year barring something drastic.
Everyone who is talking about acquiring Weber (its 1 B people) is assuming that Poile signs him to a longish term contract (5 years +) then has to deal him due to financial constraints.
I put the above scenario at about 10%, but its fun to talk about it.
No one is talking about throwing a bunch of kids at Poile for 1 year of Weber hoping to sign him long term.
Lee,
TOM POTI
TOM GILBERT
BRYAN ALLEN
JONI PITKANEN
CORY SARICH
FRANCOIS BEAUCHEMIN
RYAN WHITNEY
MARK EATON
CHRIS PHILLIPS
DUSTIN BYFUGLIEN
You may have left out about 95% of NHL Dmen.
How exactly did you settle on 10 Dmen out of the 200 or so who play in the NHL?
For the punters out there, I like the under tonight.
Nashville doesn't let anyone score too much, and the Oilers don't score too much and are missing 83 and 14.
DD is in net so he should keep it somewhat respectable.
Does anyone know anything about Khabby?
Undisclosed injury apparently.
Is he backing up tonight or is Ray Whitney's Dad sitting on the bench?
goddot, No fantasy land - I didn't think we'd have to go to these lengths, but here's how these deals work:
ReplyDeletePoile and Tounces agree on a deal:
Weber for SMac, JFJ, and Struds
Toonces has about 24 hours to agree on a contract extension with Weber and his agent.
If they agree on $$ and term then the deal is finalized. Only now does the deal get announced.
If Batman doesn't want to get off his fat wallet then there's no deal. Simple as that.
How do you think K Lowe announced the Pronger 6 year deal the same day the trade was announced?
Go Oilers, I'm excited to see Magic Beans play tonight.
...and Nashville does have money issues in that they don't like to spend much.
ReplyDeleteNashville's money issues has no impact on whether they have money for their best player. It is an issue for other players.
ReplyDeleteAnd that is the issue with Weber and the Predators. What is going to be their salary budget? Weber is going to want to see more resources assigned to player salaries, so he isn't the only guy getting paid.
i.e. The Oilers will always have enough money for Hall. Pittsburgh for Crosby. The deciding issue whether a player stays or goes is whether the elite player has confidence in management.
Nashville has to go from survive mode to compete for championships mode if they hope to keep Weber.
@ SK - exactly. Nashville DOES have money issues - which is why there's nothing on our roster that would interest Poile - except for a combo of Hall/Eberle/Paajarvi (2 of 3) + a #1.
ReplyDeleteMy concern in all these "dream on" scenario's would be that Toonces would actually think it's worth it to do that deal.
My laughing at all these scenarios is that since I live in Nashville, it's hilarious that this gets brought up here. No deal has been struck, but both sides are saying all the right things about getting Webber resigned.
@ RiversQ
ReplyDeleteBang f'ing on. We wouldn't have to spitball ideas like Weber around if we had faith there is a plan other than Operation Clusterfunk.
Said it before and I'll say it again. This is rebuilding for 5years now. It's just too bad that it took management 4.5 years to realize that.
2012-2013 is more or less an empty book at the moment. I would prefer to start seeing some ink in there. 25 year old number 1 defenseman do not grow on trees and one could only hope Dithers is at least kicking the tires.
Chartleys
Nashville is traditionally not much over the cap minimum. They have cheap owners who would like to turn a profit.
ReplyDeleteThey are concerend more with the actual salaries of players rather than their cap hit.
A 8-10 Mil D-man accounts for a significant amount of their team payroll. They still have to fill out the rest of their roster.
Of course Poile should do all he can to keep him. Where the debate comes in is this:
Are they better off getting a bunch of very good, young assets that are a good bet to outperform their contracts and very close to helping a team win now? or
Do they keep the stud, expensive D-man and hope to fill out the rest of the roster with less expensive good players and some bargain players who may or may not work out.
FWIW their highest paid player ever will be Martin Erat at 6M (actual salary)next year.
However, as Oilerdago says it's a pipe dream and he likely resigns in Nashville anyway.
@wg
ReplyDeleteagreed .
with weber the team should be good enough to make a strong push to the playoffs and be a contender soon after
I see on nhl.com that Brule is listed as having an ankle injury now. I wonder what it will be next month?
ReplyDeleteThe way teams can absolutely snowjob on injuries is a bit of a joke. And makes the NHL look a bit amateur too.
Can we stop the Weber talk? I would love to have him, but it ain't gonna happen. 1) He's likely to stay in Nashville; 2) If he was leaving Nashville it would take an astute GM to make it happen - and we are currently short a couple of those in Edmonton.
Bar Qu - I like the Weber talk much more than debating which of our two 4th lines is better.
ReplyDeleteIt's not about Weber really. I doubt he would be available and I'm not sure he'd be worth the price. The point is that the Oilers will have to make positive moves pretty shortly. There's no reason to intend to suck after this season.
ReplyDeleteI didn't realise that we upgraded to only two 4th lines.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Rob Brown,
ReplyDeleteThe Oilers need someone to SCORE BIG goals
Big Ones
So watch for that tonight
Gotta wait for Eberle. Nobody scores bigger goals than he does.
ReplyDeleteDoes anybody have a link to the game tonight?
ReplyDeleteThe most likely scenario is of course that the Preds find a way to get Weber extended.
ReplyDeleteIF they find they can't get that done because either they don't want to lay out the cash or he doesn't want to stay though, NASH is going to get fucked when they deal him. You don't get Hall+ when everyone knows there's a gun to your head. You get something of the Lupul/Smid/pick or Michalek/Cheechoo/pick variety.
I suggested putting the 1st on the table for Weber the other day IF things get to crisis level in Music City because I think it represents a big overpay that they'd have to jump at. They're not getting anywhere close to that value for him in the end if everyone sees things get nasty.
You may have left out about 95% of NHL Dmen.
ReplyDeleteHow exactly did you settle on 10 Dmen out of the 200 or so who play in the NHL?
I find that people with the lowest regard for statistics are also the ones who show the least rigour in applying them. It's almost as if we knew something that they didn't.
Eberle strikes me as a pretty similar guy to Parise. Zach didn't score 30 until his 23 yr old season, and 45 a couple years after that.
ReplyDeleteIn a couple years, with experience, a better team and 15 extra pounds, I think Ebs is an annual 30+ goal scorer.
In a redraft of 2008, Eberle moves into the top 5.
Pissing away a lottery pick for one year of an unhappy Weber makes a lot of sense! -).
ReplyDeleteStortini could have laid that hit cleanly but chose to finish high. Good call by the officials there.
ReplyDeleteGodot10, how thick are you? Nobody is in favor of a rental and it has been stated a dozen times now.
ReplyDeleteI think 26 is 2/35 for defending 2 on 1's.
ReplyDeleteHow did this guy make it to the NHL?
Who is in charge of Oiler Pro scouting?
I checked their website and can't figure it out.
Oiler pro scouting needs the OILCHANGE everything else has gone through.
26 can't defend much.
Yeah, the Oilers' strength used to be finding veteran dmen. They definitely can't do that anymore.
ReplyDeletecommonfan's scenario has Weber unsigned.
ReplyDeleteIf Weber signs, Nashville won't trade him. So any trade has to be for an unsigned Weber.
Anything else is fantasyland.
Oilers have a power play!!! Oh, wait...
ReplyDeleteMPS is kind of like Cogliano with size, hockey instincts, and defensive awareness.
ReplyDeleteIf Weber signs, Nashville won't trade him. So any trade has to be for an unsigned Weber.
ReplyDeleteI'm mostly in agreement with you, but your position does sort of require an assumption that anti-tampering regulations are firmly enforced, doesn't it? That is, that the Oilers couldn't have a handshake deal with Weber to re-up before pulling the trigger on the trade? I'm not convinced that's a sound assumption, especially since it could be in Nashville's interest to look the other way (since it would increase Weber's value on the trade market). Assuming they want to trade him, I mean.
I can't imagine that we get Weber. But it's nice to think about.
Smid and Foster on the point is sheer idiocy. Not sure why they refuse to go with four forwards on the PP, but I suppose there isn't a great fit there either. Horcoff might be the best option and while I don't love that it would be better than Smid.
ReplyDeletePissing away a lottery pick for one year of an unhappy Weber makes a lot of sense! -).
ReplyDeleteNo one is saying that.
Quit being such a docuhe.
Cogliano has MPS's defensive acumen only in his dreams.
ReplyDeleteCogliano has MPS's defensive acumen only in his dreams.
ReplyDeleteIn fairness, the "being able to fly" thing probably helps with that.
How long do they hang with the Gags-MPS-Omark line?
ReplyDeleteSteve Smith - so its tampering to negotiate a trade on the basis of 'if he was resigned for at least 5 years?'
ReplyDeleteSteve Smith - so its tampering to negotiate a trade on the basis of 'if he was resigned for at least 5 years?'
ReplyDeleteNo, but it would require him to sign the extension with Nashville. Since that would be allowing Nashville to determine where plays, he might be reluctant to do so. Though I suppose a no-trade clause would get around that.
Anyway, I just have my doubts that (to take one example) Calgary traded for Mouwmeester without having any indication of whether he'd actually sign with them. It's pure suspicion, but how often do you see impending UFAs traded after the end of the season without them subsequently signing with the team they were traded to?
1. I'm pretty sure Semenko's still a pro scout but I haven't heard anyone else's name in that regard.
ReplyDelete2. Stauffer needs to get a fucking clue with all this talk about how Belak licked his chops with 33 being out of the lineup.
3. whoever came up with that turkey brain commerical deserves to have a serious case of sack rash.
4. 91 skates really well for someone his size.
On the Weber thing, I think the Oilers should start trying to win as soon as next year. like the man said we're about to lose two value contracts and the three kids won't always be as cheap as they are now.
Also, it's a shame that that Mouwmeester signing never panned out for the Flames. This Bouwmeester guy's pretty good, though.
ReplyDeleteLowetide said...
ReplyDeleteHow long do they hang with the Gags-MPS-Omark line?
How long have you got? There's this guy named JF Jacques...
I'm guessing Eberle's return will change things.
WG,
ReplyDeleteFoster was once fairly highly regarded with Minny before his leg broke into a million pieces.
He had size, a shot, decent mobility for a big man, and a bit of a mean streak. He's a shadow of that now.
also, we know it's all about windows when it comes to a salary cap world.
ReplyDeletegranted, the only thing Tambo likely knows about windows is he likes to stare out them as he wonders when he'll make his next decision.
right now it seems like Oilers hockey exists only for the sake of Boston Pizza commericals and Gene's puns.
ReplyDeleteFunny how teams can turn someone's garbage into gold. I wonder if Smashville will offer Kostitsyn something good.
ReplyDeleteThat kid's vision, hands and passes are amazing.
What the hell more does Omark need to do to draw a penalty?
ReplyDeleteI thought pinning against the boards was outlawed?
Steve Smith - so you arrange the trade like I described. You then give the Preds a pick for negotiating rights. You negotiate the deal on their behalf, with everyone's knowledge about what is going to happen. Weber has to be comfortable with a verbal commitment wrt no-trade/no-movement as the geography will change. After he signs the contract, you make the trade. You can even ask the Preds to give back the pick with Weber.
ReplyDeleteI'm telling you right now that Renney better smarten the fuck up and take a bullet for 23 in the press regarding the officiating.
ReplyDeleteOBrien just held 23 behind the net and no call. Sickening and it won't stop unless Renney points it out.
Speaking of Omark, I hope there's a place for him on the team when we're really - or if we're really - good because the fucker is fun to watch. I imagine he'll be a guy who can kill soft opp and help a PP.
God damn I love watching Omark nad Paajarvi.
ReplyDeletePaajarvi's defensive sense for a rookie winger is also fantastic.
Another year or two and Paajarvi and Omark could draw eight or nine penalties a game...
Dennis : With what he'S doing now I imagine he can be more.
ReplyDeleteI love this "the Oilers are catching these teams at the wrong time" stuff. That's what it is.
ReplyDeleteRQ - only if time is measured in decades.
ReplyDeleteWell we're outshooting them aren't we?
ReplyDeleteDeano, I was thinking more like the Oilers need to try to catch these teams at about 3:30am.
ReplyDeleteWell I really don't want the club to pay anyone else any real money unless they can outscore top six opp.
ReplyDeleteto do otherwise would be foolish.
23 has size issues and he isn't an overly fast skater and those things will, at least IMO, keep him from being able to outscore the heavies.
The blatant vet vs. rookie bias by officials that has been going on forever is one of my biggest frustrations with NHL officiating.
ReplyDeleteThat and situational reffing.
Why even have a rule book? It's different rules for different players, dependant on the situation in the game.
Some hockey traditionalists call it game management, I call it BS.
Well this game blows. How about those Steelers?
Woodguy allways like what you write.
ReplyDelete"Quit being such a docuhe."
Uh er!
What you meant to write was, "quit showing us an obvious pattern." (veteran Dman wants out of town)
See:
Pronger
Spacek
Hedja
Pitkanen
Souray.
Spacek
ReplyDeleteHedja
All indications was that Spacek would have been quite happy to re-sign if the Oilers had offered the best deal. He was aggressively making comments to that effect during the playoffs, after everyone on the team knew that Pronger wanted out.
Hejda it appears that the club just didn't express any interest - his situation seems to have been more like Glencross's than any of the other guys you list.
Souray and Pronger I'll give you, but they were two completely different situations (Pronger's wife hated the city and he was emphatic that he had no problem with the organization, Souray hated the organization and was emphatic that he had no problem with the city). Pitkanen, how the hell knows.
I wouldn't characterize it as a "pattern".
SK: Yeah another boring SB involving the Squeelers or the Cheatriots.
ReplyDeleteRickibear,
ReplyDeleteEvidence that Weber wants out of NAS?
Also,
Your sample size is smaller than Lee's.
That's just great!
Lowetide, I'm curious: did you pose that question about the MPS/Omark/Gagner line because you feel like they're the ones floundering or because the other lines are?
ReplyDeleteI may have missed something obvious, but Khabibulin's conspicuous absence seems to have gone largely unmentioned... is he ill, or is her doing his jail term now? I didn't think the jail term was before February or March and surely the Journal or someone would have picked up on it if there were progress on his appeal, butI don't see anything at Oilers.com about why he's been out of the lineup.
ReplyDeleteFPB, I couldn't care less about the NFL. That's how bad this game is for entertainment value.
ReplyDeleteCogliano! I want so badly to be able to root for the guy...
ReplyDelete85 should be an Oiler.
ReplyDeleteNK is on the bench. Watching this game could be interpretted as serving his sentence.
ReplyDeleteReddox - nice little play there.
Cogs - another candidate for pump and dump.
Um, isn't Khabibulin on the bench? Anyway, there's a zero percent chance he's doing his jail time, because
ReplyDeletei. we'd have heard about it, and
ii. his appeal hasn't been heard yet.
Hejda is a UFA after this season. What about bringing him back and dumping Foster and Vandermeer?
ReplyDeleteOkay, thanks. I'm stuck listening to the game on Ched. Pretty sure he was completely absent from the Skills Comp, which is why I was wondering.
ReplyDeleteOkay, thanks. I'm stuck listening to the game on Ched. Pretty sure he was completely absent from the Skills Comp, which is why I was wondering
ReplyDeleteThat was health-related.
Thanks again, Steve. Makes sense that Khabi needed some down time... If only the Oilers had a viable #2 goalie who would benefit from more minutes and could give the #1 an occasional break ...Oh wait.
ReplyDeleteOilerdago,
ReplyDeleteHedja isn't a great option.
I posted some stuff in the thread previous to this one.
great patience by 4
ReplyDeleteSee what you're saying Woodguy. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteAnd thank you Taylor Hall!
Scoring when I take a piss. Classic.
ReplyDeleteNice PK. Haven't been able to say that too often.
ReplyDeleteRenney please refrain from using your Special Teams ''Plans''
ReplyDeleteSK: Good overall, but if Hornqvist doesn't bobble the puck it's probably a goal.
ReplyDelete4 on 3 PP: No one near the net.
ReplyDeleteLet's get this W.
ReplyDeleteWithout thecaptainjamielangenbrunner, the Devils aren't such a threat.
Why does this goofy shit always happen to the oilers.
ReplyDeleteGWG hits a fucking stick on the goalline
FFS. That's ridiculous. Tough luck for Horc.
ReplyDeleteWho's fucking with the hockey gods?
ReplyDeleteI've never seen that.
Wouldn't have thought this team would have so much trouble in the SO this year.
ReplyDeleteWhy not put Paajarvi in a shoot-out? Give Gagner a rest.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3565
ReplyDeleteFranson's got a pretty wicked shot. Hall should know better that he needs some Swede in him to pull that off.
ReplyDeletethe neat thing about 89 in an SO is you don't have to wonder if he's gonna score because you know that he can't.
ReplyDeleteso at least you don't get your hopes up.
preds looked sleepy and Oilers had a really good night at evens.
two more shitty games and we all get a week off!
Dubnyk continues to post solid results. Who can really know with goalies, but he at least has the potential to be a bona fide starter in this league. I hope he gets a shot at a 1A type position next year.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand the Gagner shootout either,but not much surprises me anymore.
ReplyDeleteAnd that save by the stick on the goal line is just more karma for this organization.
I wish we could just simulate the rest of the season and fast forward to the draft.
Late to the Weber party and this link is 6 weeks old,but Weber seems pretty happy in Nashville.
It’s a place I love. I love it here, I love the guys, that’s not my worry right now
Bottom 5 NHL teams per points%
ReplyDeleteTOR .457
OTT .418
NYI .394
EDM .383
NJD .365
Tick...tick...tick...
The Canadian kid Raonic is on court against Ferrer right now if there are any tennis fans out there.
ReplyDeleteIts a good thing the team was built to lose, or they might be finding ways to win some games. Hurts the rebuild thing, long term ¡
ReplyDeleteYour sample size is smaller than Lee's.
ReplyDelete05-06:
pronger Left wanted out
MAB
Staios
Spacek left heads to the east
Smith
Ulanov not wanted
Tarnstrom
06-07:
MAB not wanted sent to NYI for grebs
Staios
Tjanquist not wanted
Smith Ask out sent to phil
Smid
Greene
Hedja Signed w/ Columbus
Gilbert
07-08:
Gilbert
pitkanen traded to Carolina
Grebeshkov
Staios
Souray
Tarnstrom
Smid
Greene sent for lubo
08-09:
Souray
Gilbert
Grebeshkov
Lubo
Staios
Smid
Strudwick
09-10:
lubo to LA
Gilbert
Grebeshkov to Nash
Souray Asked out
Whitney
Smid
Johnson not wanted
Staios sent to Calgary
Pronger
Spacek
Smith
Hejda
Pitkanen
Lubo
Souray
Of the Dmen that came in as senior and desired all choose to leave or wanted out.
7/7 A reliabilty based review. 100% is not concerned with sample size.
Weber canmake it 8/8
rickibear - Your list makes zero sense; none of
ReplyDeleteSpacek
Smith
Hejda
Pitkanen
Lubo
fit.
Spacek stated he wanteed to live in the east (not edmonton)
ReplyDeleteSmith s brother in law stated he asked for a trade????? one week later he is in Philly.
Oilers stated they wanted him but needed time. hedja signs with Columbus
Pitkanen wa out the door from day one. It was known. Lt's sight even talked about it.
Yes lubo loved moving from LA a place he stated he wanted to stay.
But hey trading him back to la was a coincident.
The whole point to me raising Weber and Burns in the prior thread, is, as RQ said above, our window.
ReplyDeleteThe time to act is this off-season, and this team can use a big, mean first pairing RH dman with a decent shot. Burns and Weber are merely the two best FAs that meet that criteria.
Whether the opportunity arises in Weber's case is another story, and there are some indications that it might (MIGHT, as in its a possibility, not a for sure thing or even a likelihood), but if it does we need to be positioned for it and prepared to know what we are willing to give up. Walking around saying it will NEVER happen serves no purpose. Not trying because other Dmen have left is defeatist.
As for Burns, well there's nothing I hate more than a UFA bidding war, and of course being the highest bidder means nothing, the player still has to like you, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be at the auction doing our damnedest to win. If the price becomes ridiculous, of course we should walk away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't go to the auction at all. Again, there's nothing wrong with thinking about what ceiling we would put on our bidding, if he doesn't re-sign. Again, there is NO point in being defeatist about it.
And yes, we could draft Larsson instead since it looks like Lemaire is gonna give us our shot, but he is years away from having the same impact as the above two, nor is he anywhere near as mean.
Considering the way Dmen develop (the time and risk involved), getting an already established 1st pairing RD is the optimal solution, if however incredibly difficult and somewhat lucky. The difficulty inherent to this plan is no reason not to try.
It's hilarious the way posters talk about the Oiler's "window".
ReplyDeleteThis is a 30th place team, for what appears to be 2 seasons running.
There is no window. This team, until proven otherwise, is at the bottom of a coal mine.
This team, until proven otherwise, is at the bottom of a coal mine.
ReplyDeleteDespite having two thirds of the Canadian Olympic team's top line for a generation?
Hunter:
ReplyDeleteI also find it hilarious that people think our management group will fill all our holes and round out the team to make a push when the mythical "window" arrives.
Tooling us up to repeat the 2006 run didn't really work. And the summer 2009 and 2010 retoolings to make us more competitive than the previous year have had the opposite effect.
We aren't just at the bottom of a coal mine: we also don't know which shaft is the way up.
I am not meaning to sound defeatist, but the Weber talk sounds the same as the Bouwmeester talk did 2 seasons (?) ago. He was a good fit, coming into a trading deadline where he was a possibility to move.
ReplyDeleteI don't deny the possibility for Weber, don't deny the need and don't deny the fit.
What I do think is important to remember is that we have the same GM now as(alternate version) as we had when Jay-Bo came up and he couldn't/wouldn't/wasn't aware anything could be done. Sutter, for all his faults, made a deft move and then signed the guy. Tambellini's history demonstrates nothing of this ability. Quite, the opposite in fact. He has set a course - failure - for the forseeable future and will be sticking to it for the timeline he set out - something like 4-5 years. I don't expect him to make significant moves either at the trading deadline or in the off-season to make this team a playoff contender for next year, because that doesn't fit the plan.
So, by all means, discuss the possibilities of getting Weber, but don't forget who is at the controls.
Carthago delenda est.
Reading through a lot of the blog posts, I'm fascinated that many of us trust in MBS and have bought into the idea that a re-build was needed.
ReplyDeleteFew of us however, trust KLowe or Tambi/Toonces/3.0. The skepticism of born of a 5th year out of the playoffs and an inability to fill gaping and obvious holes in the roster are wearing thin on a fanbase that has continued to buy tickets and drink the kool-aid.
The PR machine that's cranked out "Oil Change" believes that is a part of what's needed to keep fans on board as we go thru another difficult season (hope!). The occasional quotes on sports radio and tv by the GM are seen as another.
But more than anything, the next few months I think are the critical tipping point for this franchise and the duo who run this org.
You can't just have a roster with kids. You have to get some actual NHL players and the deadline is as good a time as any to unload parts that are not going to be the future for useful bullets.
The draft will be another marker for this team and so will FA on July 1st. And what happens with Hemsky and Penner is another. Trading those two (if they decide not to be a part of the re-build) means you can't just fill one hole and open another.
Seems to me that the clock ought to be ticking on the brain (?) trust. The next 5 months are as critical to many things (including a new building) as any other time in this franchise's history.
Hey! I think I saw Leenus shoot higher than a foot. It was kind of a flip/misdirect, but good for him.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if we find out what Khabibulins problem is today...
A lot of excellent teams have played in terrible buildings. Don't listen to the BS from Katz, its just not relevant. If the on-ice product is acceptable, Edmonton has demonstrated their willingness to support an NHL team at a profitable level in the current building.
ReplyDeleteJust as MacT denied any responsibility to motivate players, the executive suite does not think they have anything to do with how players develop.
The team's development philosophy is to repeat the 80's dynasty years where all of the kids arrived at the same time and worked it out for themselves. "Pressure makes diamonds". "Go get 'em, Tiger!".
When players fail to live up to expectations they are run out of town with uncomplimentary write-ups by the captive media.
A media that was allowed to second guess these guys would actually help them by providing alternatives for them to consider. They have closed themselves off to criticism and it is detrimental.
They do not appear to be 'idea men' in the slightest.
Spacek - Not offered a deal by Oilers
ReplyDeleteSmith - Traded for much better value.
Hejda - Not re-signed. I agreed with this decision wholeheartedly, and it in no way reflected on Edmonton. Marginal players move all the time.
Pitkanen - A MacTavish screwup who was traded for value (Cole, who was then misused and abused by the org/coaches as well).
Visnovsky - So what if he liked LA? We again traded for fair value and if you followed the team, Lubomir was clearly having a decent time here.
None of these guys fit your description. The closest is Pitkanen, who was thrown under the bus after being traded, but never caused trouble here and was our best player on many nights.
Even Souray is debatable without knowing the backstory more in-depth.
Pronger was Pronger.
This team has had issues with how its players are treated for nearly all the years of Lowe being the lead. It began around Comrie time and has continued ever since. I'm really hoping that the Souray episode is the end of this being a systemic problem resting mostly with the organization, not the players.
Pitkanen - A MacTavish screwup who was traded for value
ReplyDeleteThe closest is Pitkanen, who was thrown under the bus after being traded, but never caused trouble here and was our best player on many nights.
I'm not sure how Joni was a MacT screw-up.
Nor do I recall him being thrown under a bus after he left.
In those days, I listened to Stauffer most everyday, he & Brownlee hated Pitkanen, they ragged on him all season.
I seem to remember Spacek saying he wanted to leave to see other cities or something like that. Like a tourist.
ReplyDeletePitkanen clearly didn't want to be here. He was an odd fellow who never fit in with his teammates.
Coal mine or not, this season has been the worst I've ever suffered through - it's almost impossible to care what happens to this team other than winning the woeful 30th spot prize.
ReplyDeleteI would also go so far as to state that unless Tambaloney and Captain Comb-Over manage to pull their collective heads out of their arseholes and ice at very least a half-baked NHL team next season, Rexall Place is going to feel like Dr. Frankenstein's castle - replete with pitchforks and torches.
Mr. D - I'm including people like Brownlee and Stauffer as part of chucking him under the bus. It ramped up before the trade and up again significantly after he left. It really felt organized.
ReplyDeleteRibs - Being an odd fellow who doesn't go get slammed and hit on every girl in the city aged 18-30 doesn't mean you want out. The lack of effort to get the very best out of this guy and make him feel comfortable was deplorable. The fact that people continue to bag on him for being a different type of hockey player is baffling.
Is there a reason we haven't traded Gerber to detroit yet?
ReplyDeleteAs I recall, Spacek was offered money identical to Montreal by the Oilers and turned it down because of the travel.
ReplyDeleteBased on the Oilers reaction to the situation, I think he also may have tried to extract a healthy premium from the Oilers which offended the brass.
Pitkannen was his own screw-up, different drummer and all that. He was thrown under the bus before he left, Penner-style.
I do recall people saying Pitkanen was a real "weirdo" in the dressing room.
ReplyDeleteDifferent player or not, when you choose to not attend team functions and appear to be not listening to the coaches at all, you end up sending a message.
ReplyDeleteI'd be a lot more excited about having potentially the #1 pick if there was a Doughty to be had.
ReplyDeleteRight now it doesn't appear as if Larsson will be good enough fast enough for this bunch, the big pivot looks like he's dropping all the time, the big winger looks like the safe pick and RNH has some buzz after the kids game but if the Oilers pick him then I'll bet 89's out the door for a Real dman.
hunter1909 said...
ReplyDeleteCoal mine or not, this season has been the worst I've ever suffered through
Obviously last season was too traumatic for you, and you've blocked out the memories. Good for you, the rest of us aren't so fortunate =).
Dennis said...
Right now it doesn't appear as if Larsson will be good enough fast enough for this bunch
He's no Doughty for sure, but I think it'd be a mistake to pass on the Swede. Scuttlebutt is that he's been playing hurt for most of the season, and the WJC injury didn't do anything to help.
Additionally he's not the go to guy on the PP and offensive situations there, that's Rundblad. I think Larsson is getting more the shutdown role and 2nd PP minutes.
I think he might be something special still, and I just hope that if the Oilers get him, the scouting reports from last year were right.
I'm less enamored of Couturier. As another commenter mentioned (wish I could remember who) Couturier for some reason just reminds me of Gratton.
Another tree-like centre who had a big year in his draft year and ended up being nothing more than a 3rd liner was taken just 2 picks after Gratton: Rob Niedermayer.
ReplyDeleteSandwiched between the Gratton and Niedermayer tree trunks?
Famous smurf Paul Kariya. He has out-scored everyone from that draft, closest being Jason Arnott a hundred points back.
Also, my understanding on Larsson is that he hasn't played a game for anyone since the WJC tourney. I could be wrong on this, but I think Dreger said something along those lines.
ReplyDeletespoiler - Looks like Larsson's hurt. His teammates show 40GP. He's @ 28GP. The WJHC should not have kept him out of 12 games I think.
ReplyDeleteI found this on Skelleftea's website:
ReplyDeleteWe have Oscar off and Adam is gone (injury)
Thanx to Google:translate.
This intarweb thingy could just catch on.
My understanding is he was hurt around the WJC, likely during the game against Canada but played the rest of it out. I think they inserted him in for what they considered important games. After the tournament he didn't play with his club due to injury.
ReplyDeleteThere's no word on how serious his injury is. Since he played a bit during the WJC I thought it couldn't be that bad, but then again he might have made it worse during the tournament. Just as likely his club might just not want to risk his career and health by rushing him back (wish Doug Lynch had had that type of chance).
Only thing I remember about Pitkanen was he didn't dress for a game because he was sad.
ReplyDeleteI liked Pitkanen, he was an odd cat, but he was a damn effective defenseman.
ReplyDeleteI'm still sad that we only turned him into Cole, then Cole into 2 seasons of Patrick O'Sullivan and a few weeks of Ales Kotalik.
Wonder what Stu could have done with that 2nd rounder. Actually with the way Stu's work and luck played out this year, I'd have preferred getting a package of 2nd and 3rd round picks, or dare we hope their 1st in the following season. Ah hindsight.
Spoiler: Well... Tree-like's a bit big for that 6''2 frame. Honestly the draft seemed so wild back in the days i'm not sure it's relevant or not to the modern days.
ReplyDeleteA couple of threads back i ran the guys with similar PPG and size has Couturier and they weren't a lot of misses. (Since 2000, I think there was like 1 and it was Jessiman)
I don't blame Joni - if I played for the Oilers I'd probably suffer from depression as well.
ReplyDeleteLarsson has been playing hurt most if the year, including the WJC. He had a bad groin then and that is what has kept him out since, not sure if he aggravated it in Buffalo or what.
Pat: Joni got off easy: he only had to live through one season of it;)
ReplyDeleteListening to Stauffer for the last few years is enough to send a guy into his pajamas for at least a couple of months.
Dennis: It's pretty bad when Gregor's like a breath of fresh air after listening to the Oiler propoganda spewing from Bob's mouth for 2 hours. He's part of this new Oiler's machine that's growing more unlikable each year.
ReplyDeleteThe team is averaging 2 goals a game lately. All the offense is being generated by the wingers. The screaming need is a top flight, dominating center. One that can take a faceoff, lead a rush or pass off, Offense.
ReplyDeleteYou can't win unless you score goals.
1/8 in the circle last night, aargh. PP 1 for infinity.
//Is there a reason we haven't traded Gerber to detroit yet?//
ReplyDeleteYou can't develop players in the AHL if your team sucks.
Stu will only be a genius if the picks have a place to develop.
Well, there is one of two things when it comes to the PP. Either we have the worst players in the league or the coaches cannot set up a PP. Seeing as how you can't fire the team,________ fill in the blank.
ReplyDeleteBos8: Haven't you heard? Everyone gets a free pass this year.
ReplyDeleteYou can't develop players in the AHL if your team sucks.
ReplyDeleteIt's true, that only works at the NHL level
Yeah firing Renney would be a good move. Gagner can have his fourth coach in four seasons.
ReplyDeleteAnd we wonder why the team is constantly shit.
SB: I think it's more directed towards the assistants.
ReplyDeleteWe've had a lot of those too.
ReplyDeleteThe team has nobody on the blueline that can run a pp.
It actually looks better now because you don't have Hemsky out there dangling around and the other four guys standing still watching him.
SB: Have they hired one with succesful track record as a SP's manager?
ReplyDeleteYep Quinn's PP was league average without Souray and Hemsky for most of the year.
ReplyDeletePK is going to suck until they actually get centers that can win draws and some more good dmen.
Loud noises!
ReplyDeleteI was always of the opinion that the head coach coaches the game. The assistants specialize. Now granted Edmonton players were still saying "Hello, who are you" till Christmas but enough is enough. Agreed on the Hemsky fiasco but for God's sake, Foster.
ReplyDeleteI heard Cherry on a while ago who said "Keep it on the ice" now granted we all heard that in Pee Wee but this is the NHL. Anyone who goes to the net with Foster winding up is suicidal.
Put in some options, isolate, Move
Goddammit; expletive, obscenity, obscenity.
I Anyone who goes to the net with Foster winding up is suicidal.
ReplyDeleteI think in front of the net is about the safest place you can be. Hah..Poor guy.
Lebrun says because Hemsky and Crosby are definite no-gos, they won't be picking from the rookies now for replacements. What the heck, Hemsky! You couldn't do Hall a favour and just declare yourself a game time decision?
I am hearing people bad mouth Stauffer. I am a little more clueless than most. What are some of the things that he says that warrants this kind of treatment?
ReplyDeleteI wonder if there's any chance the Caps would move Neuvirth for a veteran to back up Varlamov for the playoffs since their owner is so adamant about their window being now.
ReplyDeleteSomebody who's won a Cup and been deep into the playoffs recently would be good... and even better if he spoke Russian to help him work with Varlamov...