The Edmonton Oilers have announced the signing of defensemen Jason Strudwick and Richard Petiot.Strudwick is a player we know, 3rd pairing-7D who can also play LW. He is (from all reports) an excellent teammate and mentor to the kids. This would seem to be the major reason he's back with the team. If he plays 50 or more games, it means a lot of injuries and or failures by other defensemen.
HN gives a nice look at Petiot here.
Looks like D is done except for Souray.
ReplyDeleteNow onto the 5 missing forwards.
Out:
Pisani
Comrie
Pouliot
Potulny
Nilsson
Moreau
O'Sullivan
In:
Hall
Fraser
I'm not surprised by the Strudwick signing, I get the feeling that he will turn into a player/coach or will be moved into a coaching position in the next year or so.
ReplyDeletePetiot on a two way contract? if so then this was a good signing for the Barons.
This is so fuckin painful, one hardly knows what to type.
ReplyDeleteOne other thing:
Jokinen & Tanguay for $4.7 total is very good - Dumbolinni should do so good.
Any chance Strudwick is on a 2-way deal? I'm really not comfortable with him in the AHL, even as a 7th, but he'd be a great call-up and mentor to the kids on the farm.
ReplyDeleteNHL:
Whitney
Gilbert
______
Smid
Foster
Vandermeer
Peckham
AHL:
Strudwick
Petiot
Chorney
Plante
Petry
Motin
Bendfeld
SierraRacs would seem to have this bang on.
ReplyDeleteSolely as a player, Strudwick's only asset is that he works cheap. As a (semi) coach he has added value.
Not comfortable with him in the NHL...
ReplyDeleteLT - Still holding out hope for Jurcina but this is now looking unlikely.
ReplyDeleteNice article on ON but still feel better with you here. Familiarity, which I guess is the story with Strudwick. I imagine that Renney gets on with him and that can't be underrated.
Souray on waivers
ReplyDeleteIs there a re-entry process over the summer?
ReplyDeleteThat's a whole lot more disheartening than the Smyth rumours I was reading about last night. Can anyone imagine a way this could be good? He has to have SOME value, yes?
ReplyDeleteGood question Deano.
ReplyDeleteShows you what his value truly is league-wide I guess. It's obviously not gonna be an O'Sullivan-type deal because nobody is gonna buy him out.
Disappointing that we may not get an asset back, but the cap relief is a plus in itself. Wonder if this means a return to the Oil is on the cards.
I guess at this point it's better to hope someone claims him off straight waivers rather than re-entry.
ReplyDeleteI am fine with Strudwick (LT you spelled his name wrong) coming back.
ReplyDeleteEvery good team needs a decent utility man. It can be a hard thing to do.
He is perfect for the 7 D/pressbox. Good attitude and teammate. Works hard. Can be slotted in against some of the tougher/ slower teams. He can scrap decently. Cheap.
He can step in to give a night off for injury or a rookie who is struggling.
Ideally he plays around 25 games.
Souray on waivers?? Where did you read this?
ReplyDeleteAmazing how injuries, and a cancerous attitude destroyed so much value.
@Mr DeBakey
ReplyDeleteThree years ago, 4.7m would have been great for Jokinen and Tanguay.
Now, both are on the north side of 30, and had a combined 25 goals last season. It's concieveable that Hemsky will out perform both of them this season (points and goals) for less money.
I can't see how this is a great deal.
Moose - if there is re-entry, it could be part of a trade that we eat 25% of the money due to him, but get an asset back.
ReplyDeleteRegardless of how it happens, let's just rid ourselves of Souray's contract. Then let's hope that Khabibulin has a similar fate, and we can pick up a goalie that is cheaper and more durable, even if he isn't necessarily of higher quality. I'd even take Theodore right now for the right price - 1 year at $1M.
ReplyDeleteSouray on waivers as per Ryan Rishaug's twitter.
ReplyDeleteCrazy times, these.
Deano - How is that? I thought you coudln't eat $$$ in any deals?
ReplyDeleteSouray's buy-out is not cheap if he clears waivers.
ReplyDeleteBut they've obviously decided that the bridge is burnt and they could not get anything worthwhile coming back.
Sizable cap hit for the 4 years per capgeek.
Am ok w/Struds as a 7th D as a mentor. The fewer games he plays, the better. I'm hoping it's more like 30 and no back to back. The guy is willing, but not physically cable any further. Petiot is a good signing for OKC.
Let's see what else happens with the forward corps.
Quick review of the comments* over at ON:
ReplyDelete"YAP YAP YAP YAP!"
"ARF ARF ARF!"
"YAP!"
"Grrrrr--ARF!"
*excluding the OGs, of course
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It'll be interesting to see how this Souray decision shakes out. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Tambi must have something up his sleeve.
I think it's 50% Deano-re-entry is the last thing we want with Souray.
ReplyDeleteI bet Tambo had lots of marginal offers for Souray,but crap coming back...so he just tossed him into the Pirhana pool and he'll let the other 29 GMs sort it out.
if there is re-entry, it could be part of a trade that we eat 25% of the money due to him, but get an asset back.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that could happen. Teams can't pay a part of a players salary. If he was claimed on re-entry waivers the Oilers would have to pay half - and why would another team give the Oilers anything?
So in response to Souray's "I would be willing to come back", Tambi says "F.U.".
I like his attitude.
Well, I'd say Tanguay at his price is fabulous value. Just a great signing.
ReplyDeleteJokinen not so much, but $3MM/yr is not that much. If they can use him properly they might be able to get value. The problem with Jokinen is that his TOI always drove his boxcars - he was putting up the numbers in FLA because he never left the ice. A good team in a tough conference and a decent division can't afford to use him that way, especially now that he's a couple of years older.
I think Sutter has generally fouled up everything he built in Calgary just in the past 2 years, but these moves are decent.
Moose: Re-entry waivers (which may not apply in the offseason) allow you to offer a player to all other teams on his way down to the AHL. When the player is recalled to the NHL, the player must clear waivers again, but, if he's claimed this time, the current year's salary is equally split (50% each) between his former and new team.
ReplyDeleteGerta - 50% of one year is 25% of 2 years, its the same amount.
He is on waivers at the right time. All of the teams that lost out on D so far can have at him.
Souray doesn't have to be put on re-entry waivers. They can waive him, then not assign him to minors. He only has to have re entry waivers if they recall him. So this is just tambellni's way to try and get Souray off the books without taking anyones bad contract back. Wish he had value and we could at least get something for him, but it gives us a lot of cap space to make moves later in the summer. Is it just me, or has tambellini essentially erased the last 3 years of moves? I really do wonder if Lowe pushed for lots of those deals, and tambellini just said yes. he is now essentially getting rid of all the guys in the Smyth trade (just plante left), the souray signing, the Vish trade, and the O'Sullivan deal. All KLowe deals (not in name but his finger prints were all ovr them), and now Tambellini is basically saying I'm in charge, we are startng over and he just pushed the reset button 3 yrs back.
ReplyDeleteAnd righ now our D looks like this:
Whitney-Gilbert
Foster-Smid
Vandermeer-peckham
Strudwick
That is a rebuilding defense. But more sandpaper then last year to start anyways.
Well, I'd say Tanguay at his price is fabulous value. Just a great signing.
ReplyDeleteDepends on which Tanguay you're getting. The 2009-2010 one was pitful.
As for Souray, do any CBA experts know whether he can be recalled to the NHL club in the off-season without having to clear re-entry waivers?
It seems to me like Tambo is doing this to speed up a deal. He says he's had talks but no progress, so he throws Souray on waivers. Now all 29 teams have a chance at him, so those talks with interested parties need to turn into something serious within 24 hours or it's up to fate. We all figured Souray would be shipped for another bad contract, so I don't see this as a big deal.
ReplyDeleteIt's not like Souray has negative value as we'd be trading him for 5.4 Million of cap space, and vice versa for anyone who claims him. If by chance he passes through waivers, then its time to worry.
As per NHLSCAP:
ReplyDeleteQ: How long is waivers applicable?
A: The waiver period starts from the 12th day before the start of the Regular Season [for 2007-08, the start of the Regular Season is October 3, 2007 – the games played in London do not count as the start of the season] and end on the day following the last day of a Club’s Playing Season [which means that for playoff teams, waivers may still be necessary while the team is playing; generally, this would apply only to re-entry waiver requests].
So I believe he can be recalled up without having to go through re-entry waivers - if in fact he does clear waivers. Am I correct?
From LeBrun's twitter:
ReplyDeleteOilers have zero interest in eating half of Souray's contract via re-entry waivers. They want to lose his full contract on normal waivers.
Did he have to waive his no-movement for this?
ReplyDeleteNMC expired yesterday
ReplyDeleteAlso, if they were going to sign Strudwick, they really shouldn't have bothered getting Vandermeer.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Deano.
ReplyDeleteso, is strudwick the closest thing we get to a "player coach", nowadays?
ReplyDeleteDBO: Interesting thought about Tambellini pushing the re-set button back 3 years.
ReplyDeleteWould you now say that Burke was right when he ranted after the Penner signing that Klowe was running the franchise into the sewer? That seems to be one of the few things that Klowe got right after 2005/2006.
PJO: They simply don't assign him to OKC and the waivers will expire naturally with time. No re-entry required.
ReplyDelete"Depends on which Tanguay you're getting. The 2009-2010 one was pitful."
ReplyDeletePitiful is a bit stong.
The 10-11 Tanguay will be earning about one-third of the previous edition.
Not a fan of the Struds signing, but Petiot looks like a guy who is 1st pairing AHL and could play 3rd pairing NHL if the injury bug hits.
ReplyDeleteThe Oilers needed that. Actually they need one more guy like that.
I hope Rick (Brule doesn't need to clear waivers) Olyczk has talked to the league to clarify Peckham's waiver eligibility.
I don't mind Souray on waivers, avoid a shitty contract or cancer coming back.
3.0 has some cajones.
WG - timing is right. If he gets claimed, we can spend the money now on a (overpaid) FA replacement.
ReplyDeleteNot sure who, but the market is at this level today.
For Tanguay, 10 goals and 37 points over 80 games last season - and not only does he get 1.7m, he also gets a NMC?
ReplyDeleteTo put in in perspective, O'Sullivan had one more goal, and three fewer points last season. Fugly.
I don't mind signing Strudwick as long as the fucking Oilers realize he can clear waivers, and probably re-entry waivers.
ReplyDeleteSo start him in the AHL and bring him up only when necessary.
If you like him or respect him that much as a person, offer him a scouting or coaching position when he retires.
Would you now say that Burke was right when he ranted after the Penner signing that Klowe was running the franchise into the sewer? That seems to be one of the few things that Klowe got right after 2005/2006.
ReplyDeletePenner was 11th in the league last year in even strength goals with 23. Add that to his +/- and yeah, he is good.
Brule had a pretty respectable 15 goals 5 x 5 by the way. Gags was 3rd with 9.
I don't like the Calgary moves. Oli and Alex could have rebound seasons but its going to be extra hard in Calgary given the history. The negative vibes are going to come to the surface that much faster than if there was some fresh faces.
Rishaug Tweet (Where'd this guy come from?)
ReplyDeleteOilers were in the mix on cody mccormick, physical fourth liner in case jacques doest get healthy.
Does this mean he isn't healthy?
DarrenDreger Souray tells TSN, "I understand the business side of things and i hope things work out for both the Oilers and for myself."
ReplyDeleteDeano - I understand the re-entry rules, I thought you were saying we should pay half of the 50% (hence the 25% comment) in a deal to get an asset, which you can't do. I was just confused by what you meant...my bad.
ReplyDeleteEven for a whale-free July, you have to admit things have been interesting to say the least.
ReplyDeleteAlso, if they were going to sign Strudwick, they really shouldn't have bothered getting Vandermeer.
ReplyDeleteBeggars can't be chosers. Consider the circumstances.
Also, you may have noticed last year that injuries should be planned for. Its nice to have a little depth.
Finally, if all goes well, someone can be flipped at the deadline for a draft pick. Vandermeer went for a pick two years ago.
Ribs,
ReplyDeleteAnother back surgery.
That's 2, along with horrible play.
Bizarre move to keep him.
You'd have to hope this is his last kick at the cat.
//Gerta - 50% of one year is 25% of 2 years, its the same amount.
ReplyDeleteHe is on waivers at the right time. All of the teams that lost out on D so far can have at him.//
If Souray clears waivers, and the Oilers don't assign him to OKC, then he doesn't have to be put on re-entry waivers.
However, if Souray clears waivers, and nobody claims him, the Oilers might choose to put him on re-entry waivers at some point anyways, and see if somebody is willing to take him at half price. The Oilers would be on the hook for only 50% of his salary for each year.
I expect that there are teams that would take Souray at $2.7 million per year for 2 years (cap dollars) and $2.25 million per year (real dollars).
For example, on recall waivers, it would equalize the dollars from St. Louis's perspective in the rumoured Brewer deal.
I think Lowetide should set up something with paypal & we could all pay an annual fee to read/respond to his blogs. I can't stand the Brownlee sycophants over at ON. Lowetide is better than that!
ReplyDeletegodot - only the current year is split. The claiming team picks up all of next year.
ReplyDeletekris wrote:
ReplyDelete//I don't mind signing Strudwick as long as the fucking Oilers realize he can clear waivers, and probably re-entry waivers.
So start him in the AHL and bring him up only when necessary.//
Strudwick role is as the pressbox defenseman in the NHL, and emergency #7. The real #7 and #8 D are in OKC getting ice and/or developing. In a normal season, one would expect Strudwick to play at most 20 games. Any more and it means that there is another injury epidemic or they are looking for a lottery.
Here is a couple thoughts about Souray. His buyout would look like this:
ReplyDeleteHe gets paid 1.5 Million a year for the next four seasons at a total of 6 million dollars, but the cap hit is 2.4 million for each of the 10-11 and 11-12 seasons plus another 1.5 million for 12-13 and 13-14 seasons.
If he is assigned to OKC his cap hit is zero dollars and he is paid 4.5 million a season for the next two.
The savings to buy him out is 3 million dollars but then we have cap issues for a player that is not contributing for the next four seasons. If Souray does not report to OKC then his contract is invalid and he makes no money.
I'd eat the three million for two reasons: a) to save the cap space over the next couple years, and b) to demonstrate to players if you demand a trade (and the Oil can't get value back) then you can go ride the buses and suck it up.
BCB - I think the buyout window is closed.
ReplyDeleteFantastic move on Souray. Would love to get a decent player for him, but all that seems out there are equally iffy players with bad cap numbers.
ReplyDeleteSomeone takes him off waivers, were off the hook, they don't, the Oilers stash him in OKC and we have more cap room to add cheap role players.
I believe you can only stash Souray for one year.
ReplyDeleteI believe you can only stash Souray for one year.
ReplyDeleteWhere is this info Mr. DB?
I remember seeing somewhere, but unfortunately I forget where, that players can only be demoted for a year in the AHL before they start counting against your cap again.
However I'm no CBA expert and people who have actually looked through the damn thing have told me that they've never encountered such a clause.
Anyways, I'm very curious about this. It obviously changes the dynamic of a whole whack of cap sitautions around the league
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ReplyDeleteDeano
ReplyDeleteAvery was split 50/50 Rangers/Dallas for the full term,not just the first year.
I'm no CBA expert but that's where I'm coming from with my earlier comment.
DeBakey and RO - I think it would make sense that you can only stash them for a year at a time, meaning Souray would have to be recalled next summer - exposing him to re-entry waivers.
ReplyDeleteIf we are prepared to pay him $4.5MM to play in the AHL, we surely are prepared to pay him $2.25MM to play for another NHL team.
gerta thanks - looking into it.
ReplyDeleteThere is a second buyout window. Here is the wording from Article 11 Section 18 of the CBA:
ReplyDelete"However, in the event that a Club has only one salary arbitration hearing pursuant to Section 12.3(a) in a given League Year, such Club shall not be entitled to exercise such a buyout outside the regular period for Ordinary Course Buy-Outs. No Club shall exercise an Ordinary Course Buy-out outside the regular period for any Player earning less than $1 million."
So I think the Oilers have a window of 48 hours after the last of all the arbitration hearings . . . but I think we need to have two players in arbitration to accomplish that. Brule is one, but I don't see another. Would you trade say (a second round pick) to pick up a player in arbitration just to buy out Souray. I would.
Gerta is right and I am wrong.
ReplyDeleteBoth Dallas and the Rangers are carrying identical amounts on their books for Avery for this season and next.
Sorry for the mis-information all.
They won't buy out Souray. he has already said the right things. He'll come back and play hard if no one claims him, allowing the oil to deal him once his value is up. If he gets hurt, then he's on LTIR and his money is off the cap for the season anyways. Lowe's comments from that Oil change documentary thing about letting pronger sit basically tells me that he either comes back and plays or he gets picked up. If he comes back and is a distraction, is bad in the room, etc, i would bet they waive him to the minors and let him sit for the year and don't bother dealing with him till the draft. But from everything Souray says right now, it seems like he understands that if no one picks him up then he's back with the oil and I expect, with a bit more humility, he'll play hard and be an asset to the team.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteFor Tanguay, 10 goals and 37 points over 80 games last season - and not only does he get 1.7m, he also gets a NMC?
To put in in perspective, O'Sullivan had one more goal, and three fewer points last season. Fugly.
He's going to be just 31 yrs old for the season, has an excellent track record over a much longer time period than O'Sullivan, and by all accounts did some heavy lifting on a bad team.
He's a good bet to bounce back and all it costs you is one year at $1.7MM? That's a no-brainer. I have no idea why anyone would question a move like this.
Here's another way of looking at it - Tanguay will probably outperform Brule this year at a lower ticket.
I really like bringing Strudwick back. I agree with SierraRacs. I could see him in some coaching or player development capacity in the not to distant future.
ReplyDeleteThe other thought I have is that Hall could live with Strudwick's family for the next season. Strudwick is good and very positive teammate, a good citizen, and great in the community. He has worked hard to stay in the league. What better way for Hall to spend his first year in Edmonton? Who better to mentor Hall?
Correction: I am confused today. I was just pointing out there is another buyout window in August. I do not think the Oilers should buyout Souray (even if I implied that in a moment of confusion). I think they should make him ride the OKC buses if noone takes him on waivers, because: a) it saves cap space, b) a buyout would only save them 3 million actual dollars, and c) to make him suffer like he made the fans suffer.
ReplyDeleteJust thought of a different angle to the Souray waivers thing. Can tambellini actaully be really smart? Here's my reasoning:
ReplyDelete- Tambellini has a few crappy offers from teams basically wanting souray but offering crap. They figure eventually they'll get Souray for crap cause tambellini basically has maybe one or two offers, so it's a buyers market. Tambellini knowing this puts Souray on waivers, basically offering him for nothing to the whole league. if you're team A who offered crap and really want him but are far down the waiver list, you are now forcesd to improve your offer or risk losing Souray to someone else. if memory serves, a player on waivers that is traded is off of waivers, so the new team does not risk losing him. This actually makes a lot of sense to me, in that maybe Tambellini is forcing the hand of the few teams that had interest for Souray (like Buffalo who is far down the waiver list and need a PP QB like Souray but would offer crap).
DBO: Forcing the guys who might want him but are offering back their crappy contracts makes sense.
ReplyDeleteIf someone bites, he's more attactive with half the year one salary gone and year two at a higher cap hit (but lower contract number). That's a tradeable contract unless he's hurt at the deadline.
If no one bits, the Oilers can assign him to OKC, bring him back or ask him to stay away.
But it seems to me it's a smart time to try this tactic because teams are assessing the need. the risk is Souray's hand (healing), but the timing for doing this (on Tambellini's part) is brilliant because either way - you get rid of the problem. All the movement the last few days points to the fact that the org has allowed the Souray ship to sail.
And in retrospect, Souray's comments (holding out the fig leaf) may show him trying to salvage his value (and guarantee a spot in the show).
DBO,
ReplyDeleteThat makes sense. So this move has the potential of a no-lose maneuver.
1. Souray is picked up and we are out from under his contract.
2. The waiver forces someone's hand as you suggested.
3. Nobody takes him and he eats a giant pile of humble pie and comes back to play hard.
The more I think about it, and the more this gets discussed, the better I like it...and I liked it quite a bit to begin with.
DBO,
ReplyDeleteThat's pretty much the consensus I think.
I can see him putting Regier's feet to the fire with this one.
Everyone says SJS might be a potential home for him too, but they only have 17 guys signed and only 7 million left to spend, and Setogouchi needs a new contract.
Its comforting to think that the Oil are being run by someone who knows what to do and when to do it.
ReplyDeleteIt was distressing that the Oilogosphere seemed smarter than management.
DBO
ReplyDeleteI think you're right. Tambo probably had a couple of teams show interest but wnat him to take something unpleasant back in return.
He's gone all in on them. There aren't too many top 4 Dmen left and one of these teams might just be desperate enough to take him off waivers to ensure that they aren't left standing when the music stops.
All it takes is one team to bite and we go into next season $15M under the cap.
If Souray bends the knee and does the what he needs to do to make other teams want him then he's more valuable to the club being on the team then anywhere else.
ReplyDeleteAll it takes is one team to bite and we go into next season $15M under the cap.
ReplyDeleteLots of RFA contracts to iron out yet and a forward or two to get, but 10M is probably a good guess.
Mark Eaton signed a two year deal with the isles for $2.5 mill per. The Foster signing seems more and more reasonable after every signing.
ReplyDeleteand by all accounts did some heavy lifting on a bad team.
ReplyDeleteQualcomp vehemently disagrees
http://behindthenet.ca/2009/new_5_on_5.php?sort=8§ion=goals&mingp=20&mintoi=&team=T.B&pos=F
7th out of 14th on Tampa Bay for forwards (who played 20 games or more) - not to mention he's playing in the Southeast)
Is it low risk? Yup. But likely not high reward. Those shoulder injuries fucked him up.
and looking at behindthenet.ca, based on QUALCOMP, scoring rates/60, I don't see Tanguay being much of an upgrade over Dawes - whom earned half the salary.
ReplyDeleteJurcina signs in the island. As per lebrun. No details.
ReplyDeleteDeano wrote:
ReplyDelete//only the current year is split. The claiming team picks up all of next year.//
You are WRONG. 50% of each years of the remaining contract.
See capgeek and the Rangers and Dallas and Sean Avery.
Jurcina 1 year 1 Mil.
ReplyDeleteFrolov rumoured to be signing on the island as well.
Damn, I was really liking the thought of Jurcina here.
ReplyDeleteJurcina would have been a vastly superior option than Strudwick - just doesn't seem like the Oilers have any clue.
ReplyDeleteA lot of 3.0's recent quotes make special mention of how the new guys are good teammates, good people in the room, etc. He goes on about how it's important to have character on the team to mentor the young talent.
ReplyDeleteWith that in mind, and the current depth chart (assuming Souray is replaced) I don't mind Strudwick at all. He'll get in there when Chorney/Peckham need spelling or in the case of injury and that's ok. There's no 2011 Cup Parade on the horizon so if 3.0's plan is to nurture the kids a little bit I'm all for it. It's quite refreshing, actually, to see a plan spoken to and then executed.
PJO: You just spilled out you'd keep Dawes over Tanguay.
ReplyDeleteDon't tell the club has no clue.
PJO: You just spilled out you'd keep Dawes over Tanguay.
ReplyDeleteLearn to read.
Seriously.
Why does it seem ST is now in such a darn hurry to get all the roster spots filled?
ReplyDeleteThere is lots of time and value in waiting for some of the "value" ufa signings later in the summer. You can't tell me Strudwick would not be available in a month or two. Souray may even have some trade value in that same timeframe as other decent defenders sign up. Yes there is some risk, but so what, the worst thing we do is play him or sit him.
McCormick now off the list.
ReplyDelete''and looking at behindthenet.ca, based on QUALCOMP, scoring rates/60, I don't see Tanguay being much of an upgrade over Dawes - whom earned half the salary.''
ReplyDeleteWell, fuck me, you'd still take the guy you argue who is equal/inferior for more money. Than specifiying he's low risk and probably low reward.
Great logic.
Why does it seem ST is now in such a darn hurry to get all the roster spots filled?
ReplyDeleteWe have six NHL forwards under contract, so I'm not sure that's quite accurate.
FPB: Based on the numbers last year, Dawes provided similar production than Tanguay. On those grounds, if nothing changes in the future, I don't believe the Flames upgraded with the signing of Tanguay.
ReplyDeleteOf course Tanguay has history on his side - based on that, I'd take him over Dawes.
Pretty simple logic.
Team 1260/Oilersnation saying something is imminent-did Tambi get his card on the river..?
ReplyDeleteBefore the thread takes off:
ReplyDeletegodot10 is right too.
I am still wronger than wrong.
See my crow-eating comment @ 12:18
General Manager Steve Tambellini announced today the Edmonton Oilers have agreed to terms with forward Steve MacIntyre on a one-year contract.
ReplyDeleteI think its a Big Mac signing
ReplyDeleteSeems they came up short on all the more famous tough guys and still felt they needed a heavyweight. I wish they'd relax or target people who can play hockey.
ReplyDeleteMeh.
Surely you jest?
ReplyDeleteYou know, if he's going to screw up one roster spot this summer, I'm glad it's 14F. I still think this is a head-scratcher, though.
ReplyDeleteRemember that time we had Bill Huard sitting in the pressbox for literally about half a season without playing a game?
The real reason for OTC's dismissal has just been revealed.
ReplyDeleteJurcina would have been a vastly superior option than Strudwick - just doesn't seem like the Oilers have any clue.
ReplyDeleteGiven what Tambellini has done lately, "doesn't have a clue" is harsh and a little over the top.
Haven't agreed with everything he's done, but on thw whole its been a good summer.
Who's to say he didn't offer Jurcina a contract?
big mack for one yr deal. also, konopka signs on the island. would like to have had him, but smac is back. there's your tough guy.
ReplyDeleteMcIntyre?
ReplyDeleteReally?
Maybe PJO wasn't that far off...
At least get a guy who can skate.
Meh.
Could you imagine if we end up icing SMac and JFJ in the same lineup next year?
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that you can because they have.
ReplyDeleteGiven what Tambellini has done lately, "doesn't have a clue" is harsh and a little over the top.
Aside from waiving guys who are known problems, and signing a depth guy like Foster, Tambellini hasn't vastly improved this club.
No real veterans upfront were signed. Guys like Hall, Eberle, MPS will be thrown to the wolves.
There's still time, but looking less and less doubtful. Which is a shame, because the entry level contracts of high end players is the best opportunity to go for it.
PunjabiOil said...
ReplyDeleteand looking at behindthenet.ca, based on QUALCOMP, scoring rates/60, I don't see Tanguay being much of an upgrade over Dawes - whom earned half the salary.
I think it's a pretty safe bet he blows Dawes out of the water.
I know the Oilers don't like to do it, but one assumes other teams check medical records - the price for Tanguay may reflect some concern.
1yr 500k. At least that part makes sense.
ReplyDeleteSmac 1 year, 500K contract.
ReplyDeleteWho's to say he didn't offer Jurcina a contract?
ReplyDeleteAs a rational economic individual, you'd think if Tambellini offered more money/term than the Islanders did, Juricina would accept that contract.
Instead, we signed Strudwick to a one way deal based on character intangibles, leadership, mentoring, etc. Fat good those intangibles did over the last few years.
The goal of the Oilers, as Vic Ferrari put it, should be to acquire ''good hockey players''
Jason Strudwick is not a good hockey player.
I think they left the jokers in the deck.
ReplyDeleteUgh.
Still no third line Center
ReplyDeleteSmac in the PB
A bottom three D of Strudwick, Vendermer & Peckham. [though Petiot may be better than all 3 of those guys]
Playoff hockey?
What's that?
Aside from waiving guys who are known problems, and signing a depth guy like Foster, Tambellini hasn't vastly improved this club.
ReplyDeleteUm, he drafted Taylor Hall, who you spent the last six months touting as the second coming of some brilliant hockey player who I'm too lazy to name at the moment.
As a rational economic individual, you'd think if Tambellini offered more money/term than the Islanders did, Juricina would accept that contract.
No, because rational economic individuals realize that utils can be derived from sources other than money.
we're fighting over Milan "healthy scratch" Jurcina.
ReplyDeleteHe's no better than strudwick and more expensive. They are both 7d
Still no third line Center
ReplyDeleteIt's July 2. Calm down.
Um, he drafted Taylor Hall
ReplyDeleteIt was because of the mess he created he was rewarded the 1st overall pick.
Hardly something he should be given credit for.
The forwards are waiting on Kovalchuk to sign so the losers can make offers to the next forwards in line....
ReplyDeleteLike Heatley last year.
Punjabioil
ReplyDeleteSo you think that overpaying third tier forwards like Higgins or Jokinen is the way to the promised land?Because that's who we'd get.
The wost team in the league, based in an undesirable city doesn't get bargains in free agency. It just doesn't.
You seem to be expecting miracles and in their absence, are criticising solid decisions that are likely to make the team better in the long, if not the short term..
did everything we all said a month ago go out the window? What's this talk of playoffs? Rebuilding team!!! Remember? That means no long term big deals, and creating space for kids to play,while providing some vets who are good in the room to mentor them. That is what tambellini has done. Strudwick is not much of a player, but he's a solid 7th dman/14th forward, and great with the young guys. Steve macintyre knows his role and accepts it. He can play 5 mins a night, and have Hemsky or hall or Penner double shift occasionally. Remember Renney line matches and manages a game very well, so macintyre is not going to be a liability.
ReplyDeleteFYI macintyre on team 1260 right now. he started with a WOOHOO! He's pumped, the guys loved him in the room before he left. Tambellini has picked up character guys who are excited to be here and all play tough (except for Foster, who by the way is 6'5 230 lbs).
I wonder if Bobby Ryan is mulling over any offer sheets right now.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I'd feel better is we heard something about a Gagner contract soon.
DBO: I understand your point.
ReplyDeleteTough i'd be damn happy too if i couldn't score in the ECHL and was granted an NHL contract.
Like his attitude, but I still think tough guys like this are useless.
DBO: I must of missed the memo where rebuilding means sucking, never making the playoffs, and being worst then the Leafs. I think you would like to get your young players so playoff experience before the year in which you dream of winning the Stanley. We need to win eventually, and I personally would like that to be sooner then later.
ReplyDeleteAt least Mcintyre knows enough to give a good ass kicking to anyone who looks at Hemsky/MPS/Hall/Eberle funny. I'd say $500,000 is cheap insurance.
ReplyDeleteThe Chicago model means sucking...
ReplyDeleteThe wost team in the league, based in an undesirable city doesn't get bargains in free agency. It just doesn't.
ReplyDeleteThen overpay a bit for short term contracts.
Does Jokinen consider 3.5M from Edmonton? Probably. How about Malhotra at 7M over 2 years? Probably.
What good is vacant cap space?
The more plausible theory is that the Oiler are going to go into the season 10-12M under cap space, intentionally staging their way to another top 10 pick.
Insurance for what? FFS they can defend themselves.
ReplyDeleteFor math guys, this passion for tough guys who can't play for theyr lives is profoundly disturbing.
There's a reason to why they're dissapearing. Certainly not because they rip the roof.
Marty Turco's agent:
ReplyDeleteListen, it's July 2. Look at his track record and what he's accomplished. We're going to find the right fit for him, whether that happens tomorrow or three months from now.
He's certainly been really good at times, but I don't know is "accomplished" is a word you want to use to describe a guy who's won 3 playoff series in his career.
The vacant cap space may not be useful now, but it might be two years from now.
ReplyDeleteIt would be awesome if we couldn't resign Hemsky or Penner, or if we had to unload Gagner for picks because we overpaid Jokinen and Malhotra so we could finish 10th instead of 13th next year.
The Oilers finished last. They have to rebuild, not overpay free agents in a desperate attempt to finish 8th in the West and get crushed by Vancouver or San Jose. Tambellini is doing what he has to and I for one am glad.
It would be awesome if we couldn't resign Hemsky or Penner, or if we had to unload Gagner for picks because we overpaid Jokinen and Malhotra
ReplyDeleteYou could try to
Overpay Jokinen and Malhotra for two years or less.
That might work.
Ghana vs Uruguay...
ReplyDeleteWhat a football match!
Suarez got sent off saving his team (Partially) and then Ghana rings the woodwork on the penalty.
And now EX is over so Penalties!
It's too bad.
ReplyDeleteI thought the Oilers would make a push for another top four defensman, but given these signings and Foster saying in the paper he'll be given a shot at the top four, the D-core is probably a finished product.
That means we've got two established top four guys, and an injury to any of Whitney, Gilbert, Smid, or Foster is going to result in a lot of bleeding. Hell, there will likely be alot of bleeding going on when everyone is healthy.
On a related note, I purchased seasons tickets this season. I should try to get some games sold now, becaue I won't be able to move a damn thing in February.
The vacant cap space may not be useful now, but it might be two years from now.
ReplyDeleteI didn't realize unused cap space this year could be carried forward to subsequent years.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with signing guys to short term contracts. Especially one year contracts. At worst case, you can simply get rid of the contracts at the trade deadline.
ReplyDeleteOn a related note, I purchased seasons tickets this season. I should try to get some games sold now, becaue I won't be able to move a damn thing in February.
Yes, you should.
Otherwise, they will be flirting on ebay for 6 cents, as evident in 2009.
PJO marks a point here.
ReplyDeleteTough I think we're never sure who got offered, and who refused what and what.
Love Sourays comment about "understanding the business side of things"....the business side being when a veteran player signed to a huge contract acts like f'n clown in the media and totally torpedoes what little trade value he had has to be put on waivers because cause there's no way you put him back in the dressing room....yeah that "business side of things"
ReplyDeleteway to give the standard boilerplate response to the media after it's already too late a**hole
I'm with Steve.
ReplyDeleteIt's July 2.
No-one is going to welcome October with enthusiasm if we ice the roster as stands.
And yet we all know that many free agent signings at this time of year are overpays. The value comes later in the summer.
Perspective, guys
You don't want to use that extra cap space now. You want to wait for a cap challenged team in the East who needs to dump good players to a bad Western Conference team, like Chicago dumped players to Atlanta.
ReplyDeleteIt is too early in UFA to sign forwards to value contracts. You need to sign your defenseman early, because competent ones are in short supply, but you can wait a month for free agent forwards to get desparate.
Remember Tallon built and destroyed Chicago simultaneously with the Campbell and the Huet contracts.
And remember, the Oilers have first shot at the waiver wire in September and October.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely agree godot10. Didn't San Jose (?) get a high pick for free a few years back for helping New Jersey out of a cap problem a few years back?
ReplyDeleteAnd if it took three years at $2.5 for a cup contender to sign Malhotra, what would it have taken for Edmonton to get him for a year? $4M? $5?
Can you honestly say that you be hailing Tambellini as a genius if he made a deal like that?
PJO, patience my friend.
ReplyDeleteThe cap space can't be carried over but it does have a value if others don't have it and need it. Taking on deadweight at the deadline can be a real service.
I'm surprised to see how little general interest Vaclav Prospal generated.
ReplyDeleteHis offensive numbers we're better than some highly sought after centers.
(Matt Cullen, Matthew Lombardi, Eric Bélanger)
in today's NHL math builds winners, but the oilers aren't going to be winners next year by making the prudent, step by step moves that let them get better without blowing through the cap ceiling.
ReplyDeleteso while the math moves do their thing, we are going to suck. we are going to lose a lot of games next year, and it is imperative that the team is fun to play on for the players and fun to watch for the fans.
so the team spends next to nothing on a handful of guys who can bust some heads so that when we inevitably lose, we go down swinging, and don't blow out the morale of our young guys. or the fans.
meanwhile some time is bought to move judiciously in picking up good players without overpaying. keeping cap space open to make the right moves.
but Edmonton HAS to be a fun place to play despite all of that, or else the players will get restless and so will the fans. in the grand scheme of things, the money and term given to S. Mac and Vandermeer and Fraser and Strudwick are peanuts and guys on the 4th line and 3rd D pairing don't play much anyway.
but if they keep player and fan interest going through the rebuild, they're well worth it.
Well, as long as they're having fun then.
ReplyDeleteTrophies for everyone! Yay!
j/k
Ribs: Having fun playing create bonds, slowly creates a team, and forges players' will to sacrifice themselves for each other.
ReplyDeleteEven the strongest of teams can't win withtout those.
Even the strongest of teams can't win withtout those.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure that, given unlimited money, I could put together a team that could win without those.
Know what's really fun? Winning.
ReplyDeleteWill we find out if Souray has been claimed tomorrow, or will it take until Monday in the off season?
ReplyDeleteTambo may have signed one too many tough-ish guys for the bottom of the roster. And we may be pretty much done.
ReplyDeleteHall-Horcoff-Hemsky
Penner-Gagner-Brule
Jones-Fraser-Cogliano
JFJ-Stortini-SMac
Strudwick
Gilbert-Whitney
Smid-Souray/Replacement
Foster-Vandermeer
Peckham
That's without MPS or Eberle.
The bottom half of that lineup doesn't have enough PK'ing and can't play any sort of tough minutes, unless Jones and Fraser are alot better than advertised, and Cogliano can take a leap forward.
Hey I'm as critical as anyone about the dunce caps in the mgmt suite - but there is not much to quibble about this week. The draft went pretty well and we have cleared out all the guys who needed to be flushed (Moreau, POS, Nillson) and even a few more like MAP and Potulny. Maybe you don't qualify JFJ and don't resign Strudwick - but those are 1 year deals for trivial money for bottom end guys and not worth being concerned over.
ReplyDeleteI'm also fine being patient and waiting for value to emerge in our quest for a couple of bigger 3rd line tough minute players. No need to go crazy on July 1. I would also certainly bring back Pisani on a very small 1 year deal - even if he can play effectively for only 40 games that's value.
But by and large the GM has not made any significant errors so far and has carved out a lot of rotten wood that infected the roster. Given this I'm willing to be patient and see how things develop.
Steve: Oh you mean the Rangers?
ReplyDeleteSteve: Oh you mean the Rangers?
ReplyDeleteNah. I was thinking I'd target players who are currently good instead of ones who used to be good or who briefly appeared to be good but who have never put in a sustained high level performance.
But please, don't let me denigrate the things they teach you in colour commentator school.
Steve: Hard to buy'em all with money.
ReplyDeleteAnyway we're still talking about a super fictional scenario.
Hey everyone i have started a blog and would appreciate it if you could take he time to read it and maby give me some advice.
ReplyDeleteThe Blackhawks last 4 season point totals;
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Incremental progress is still progress. They didn't go from a terrible team to Stanley Cup champs in one single bound.
3.0 isn't trying to assemble next year's President Trophy winners, he's trying to get this shitshow back on the right track. It's true that alot of what's gone down over the last few days could be slotted into the "no brainer" folder but unfortunately, this is the kind of stuff that the Oiler's have been doing wrong for close to a decade (or quite possible longer).
I agree that it would be a plus for the young guys like Gagner, Smid and Gilbert to get a sniff of the playoffs but this is still a rebuilding team and another high draft pick wouldn't hurt either.
"Know what's really fun? Winning."
ReplyDeleteno one said that the most important thing is having fun, trophies for everyone.
the point is to build a winning team.
to do that, we need to get players to want to stay here and not require overpay.
the best way to do that is to win, but without making short term risky overpays that either don't work or kill the team long term, that isn't going to happen a lot at first.
so you get tough guys who play for peanuts to keep things interesting while you do a long term rebuild. how difficult is this to understand?
would you rather this, or try all summer to land a Heatley? or splurge on overpaying the olli jokinens of the NHL to come play here? overpay malholtra?
coz I'd much rather pay S. Mac 500k to bust skulls and keep the ticket buyers leaving Rexall a little less depressed while waiting a team to mismanage it's cap and wait for some good contracts to become available.
Does a last-place club need a guy to mentor younger players on "failing to skate backwards"?
ReplyDeleteSo JFJ and Mac are clearly our 13th and 14th forwards and that means we won`t have any realy depth in the pressbox.
ReplyDeletehttp://oilersnation.com/2010/7/2/sam-gagner-and-the-offer-sheet
ReplyDeleteI think LT has this right, but I'd go big time longer term. Dangle the guarantee of long term pay cheques in exchange for a lower cap hit.
Maybe:
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12 years. 4.3MM cap hit.
It sucks this year when Gagner might be not worth it, but there is little doubt he'll be worth that much long term.
It could be a steal, especially when you consider that the cap and the price for an average NHL'er is likely to increase.
Moreover, if Gagner retires early or can't get of LTIR, the contract disappears. (I mihgt even be willing to sign him to a deal that takes him past 34 years old, in exchange for an even lower cap hit.)
Gagner might not want a deal like that, thinking that he may turn into a first line center, and first line centers will earn a lot more in future inflated dollars.
Still, that's a risk for a kid like Gagner, who may turn into just a good 2nd line player. $4.3 MM is not bad for such a player.
And as we've seen, the cap can create situations where even good players have to spend a season earning a little less than they would've got if they were in a long term deal.
I like it.
Dennis,
ReplyDeleteIt's a problem. I just hope that management realizes they can waive these guys as often as needed, and that at any given point one of JFJ, Strudwick, SMac, or even Stortini needs to be in the AHL, or at least not on the 23 man, active roster. And if they lose one of these guys, there are a lot of guys who can replace them.
Re-entry waivers are a bit of a worse problem in that you have to pay half their salary. But half of league minimum isn't so bad.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but if a team claims SMac or Strudwick, on waivers, they have to play him, yes? Unlikely. Florida seemed to like Smac, but that doesn't seem to be a problem, so he can probably be on the team and just play games against Calgary and other goon ridden rivals. (The fights will be good for attendance at home, and that's part of Katz' goon love, IMO.)
Now, the advantage of having SMac in the lineup is that it allows us to double shift someone in his 4th line position. That's not so terrible, because it allows you to throw the kids some more minutes against shitty comp.
Petiot will be 5-6 pairing playing 15 mins. a night. Count on it.
ReplyDeleteClarkenstein: Well one thing in his favor is a really good +20 in the AHL last season. I'll have a longer look at it tonight, but there were some defensemen on that team well into the minus.
ReplyDeleteNow, the advantage of having SMac in the lineup is that it allows us to double shift someone in his 4th line position.
ReplyDeleteThat's also an "advantage" of dressing eleven forwards. Why don't we do that? We can double shift guys just as well if Colin Fraser is our twelfth forward; the difference is that with Fraser, you're not forced to.
Steve,
ReplyDeletehaving JFJ or Stortiniin the lineup is pretty much tantamount to having 11 guys in the lineup anyway, especially when the game is tight.
I'm suggesting playing goons less is a good thing, and Smac is so bad, he forces the coach to not play Jim.
Don't get me wrong, it's a dumb signing, but I not convinced that a goon who plays badly leads to more wins and a better Gf-Ga than a goon who doesn't play.
Say what you want about "theCaptainethanmoreau" but at least that guy was consistent. I'm not talking about the offensive zone penalties or the selfless work in the community but his unequaled ability to say the wrong thing at the wrong time. His comments to the Journal as he was leaving town are classic, uber-oblivious Moreau. Staples had a good article on this in yesterday's blog.
ReplyDeleteI thought that this team needed to rid themselves of both Staios and Moreau but I never had the impression that Staios was a bad guy. I can't say the same for the ex-captain.
Dreger's tweeting about the Isles trying to sign Kovalchuk.
ReplyDeleteOne source suggests the Isles offer to be $10 mil x 10 yrs. Yikes!
I think the MacIntyre signing tells us Jacques is Jacquesd. :-)
ReplyDeleteSeriously, if the 12-14F's are MacIntyre, Jacques and Strudwick this is going to be a 3line team whenever the Oilers are behind.
And they're going to be behind a lot.
so you get tough guys who play for peanuts to keep things interesting while you do a long term rebuild.
ReplyDeleteHow interesting is it really to have crummy players playing crummy hockey? Shouldn't you be trying to add peices to your rebuild efforts as soon as you can? This "buying time" style of doing things is a path to lottery picks and that's it. It's one way to go, thats for sure. Eventually the high draft picks will pile up enough that you have a good team. I just think there is a better, faster way of getting to where you want to be.
I think JFJ's deal may be a Matt Roy 'disability pay' contract for destroying himself before getting into the real money.
ReplyDeleteDid Lynch get a 1-way deal for his wrist before he was moved?
ReplyDeleteDeano: Don't think so. he would have signed a three year entry deal at 20. He played in the all-star team (AHL) as a rookie and was injured the following year. Oilers traded him after his 2nd AHL season.
ReplyDeleteThat's also an "advantage" of dressing eleven forwards. Why don't we do that? We can double shift guys just as well if Colin Fraser is our twelfth forward; the difference is that with Fraser, you're not forced to.
ReplyDeleteIf they dress Smac as LW, then you could conceivably have 27, MPS and Hall taking turns double shifting.
That's ok.
JFJ will spend 60 games on the IR.
Wow, know an idea?
ReplyDeleteHow about dressing some hockey players. Not fucking tools and disgraces to this game. Guys who can't play but fight with each other at times no one cares. It's not wrestling. They should all have a minimum of hockey sense.
Macintyre doesn't. He's the worst player to ever be able to play an NHL game. I'm dead serious.
This guy barely scored 2 points in 10 games of SEMI-PRO hockey.
Even there when the guys have 2 jobs and play in beer leagues he can't dominate.
He's not just a bad NHL player, he just sucks at hockey.
Two questions occurred to me reading through the comments here,
ReplyDeletea)Why are you all assuming ST is done and that this is the final team we are discussing. ST has money, he has time, he has missing pieces he needs to acquire and he has certainly proven he isn't the King of Inertia island, so why aren't we all discussing what we think he'll do next?
b)Why is it so hard for people to grasp that hockey is a team sport? It is nontransitive. The team with the twenty best players doesn't necessarily win. The best team of twenty players wins.
Players are not entirely, possibly not even mostly driven by money. They want to be part of something that matters. Winning isn't what matters, things like brotherhood, courage and sacrifice are what matter. Winning is a by product of team identity and how the pieces mesh.
Goons can be a big part of helping the pieces mesh. First the goon's very presence can makes their team mates feel safer. That can improve the level of the team's play, not to mention extend the career of certain injury plagued team members, at least if the opposition actually backs off. Second, a goon like SMac is really likable and his team mates are rooting for him. That builds team spirit. The best of them, and SMac isn't one of them, can even help create the team identity (see The Broadstreet Bullies).
Long time reader and wanted to say thanks for all the great work you have put into this blog. I hope your new arrangement with ON works well for you - best of luck.
ReplyDeleteI have been pretty happy with Tambelleni’s moves and overall direction so far this offseason, but I am starting to really worry that they think Peckham is not waiver eligible (and it looks very much like he is). Unfortunately, this kind of mistake is not out of the realm of possibility given the history of this management groups demonstrated CBA knowledge.
Given the kind of depth players they have been adding and likely will be adding, it is becoming hard to find a place for Peckham on this roster. Looks like the plan might be to start him on the farm (something Stauffer eluded to yesterday). I would like him to get more AHL time, but not at the expense of exposing him to waivers.
There are reports that the Oil have signed reigning AHL scoring champion Alex Giroux. Unconfirmed - Team 1260
ReplyDeleteDave: Helluva signing, the guy has 110 AHL goals in the last 2 seasons.
ReplyDeleteWooo Steve Mac!
ReplyDeleteBy no means is he a skilled hockey player but I still believe you need a beat cop. Hopefully his presence can help our injury problem.
I agree with the earlier comments about Renney being able to manage the bench so as to minimize the time where he plays in situations that aren't good for the team.
Agree with you, linnaeus
ReplyDeleteVery nice signing, ideed.
ReplyDeletelinnaeus - You get the feeling he's nearly done making the roster when he says stuff like...
"On potentially adding more to his defense: "I'm comfortable right now with where we're at. Things can change, but right now I'm comfortable"
If Souray is gone the defense we have is pretty substandard. I guess he's comfortable with that. He said he wanted to fill out forwards at the bottom end of the roster. He filled it out with guys who can't play. Maybe he's comfortable with this. I'm not.
Who is going to kill a penalty on this team?