Saturday, June 12, 2010

Entry Draft 2010: Get Your Motor Running!

















That's Dylan McIlrath winning a fight (or so it would seem) last winter. The big defender is getting a lot of attention these days, no surprise considering his skill set. In the comments below there were a few posts wondering why McIlrath has such appeal to Oiler fans.

For my part, I think McIlrath fits an extreme need (outlined here) because the club doesn't have an impact prospect in the pipeline (among the blue).

Peckham (tough, defense first, can fight) is the only defender in the top 8 on my prospect list, with Alex Plante (#9) and Jeff Petry (#10) in need of AHL development time before the Oilers can count on them. After that, it is Taylor Chorney (chaos squared) and Troy Hesketh (who is injured apparently). So there's a need here, along the blue.

McIlrath won't address the team's need for a complete defender (Duncan Keith type) but he does give the team a quality prospect with an exceptional resume in his own zone. From this week's Redline Report:
  • Dylan McIlrath is a physically imposing monster at 6-4, 212 and easily the most feared fighter of any player in the 2010 draft. But McIlrath is not just a fighter; he's a tower of strength in his own end and a punishing presence in front of the net who makes opposing forwards pay a steep price for every inch of real estate around the crease. His puckhandling and lateral agility are raw but have shown improvement.

Mike Remmerde is supplying fans with killer information on this year's western kids, and he does a terrific job describing McIlrath's ability.

  • This is the kind of guy we're talking about when we describe a d-man as "rugged". Loves to hit and make opponents pay the price. Big open ice hitter. Uses the hip check effectively. Tremendous and eager fighter. Underrated first pass ability - just keeps it simple and gets it out of trouble with reliability. That's all he'll need to be an effective NHLer. Made some big strides defensively this season. Used to run around a lot looking for the big hit, but now is very effective and smart in the d-zone. Positioning is solid, but often has to give a bigger gap because he's not the best skater. However, his huge reach makes up for that and allows him to be very disruptive with the poke/sweep checks. Makes opponents pay for coming into the crease.

Mr. Bugg over at HF has also published his top 45, with McIlrath in the middle of the first round. I'll post Blue Bullet's list (if he does one and I can find it) and I encourage you to drop by speeds blog this month to see what he's talking about and of course YK Oil is unique and refreshing in all areas (including the draft). Pipeline is also a must-read, he gets some of the best quotes from scouts, players and managers. Copper and Blue is doing some of the most interesting draft stuff I've seen and Jonathan Willis is the man. David Staples has some excellent insight on the draft and Robin Brownlee has been doing this since some of you were in diapers.

This is a wonderful time to be a hockey fan. When I was a kid, CKSA (Lloydminster) would tell us about the #1 pick and what the Leafs, Canucks and Habs did, and the Saskatoon Star Phoenix would publish the first round and maybe have an item on a local boy drafted. After that, it was "wait until the July Hockey News" and driving the poor woman at Rexall Drugs in Maidstone crazy by dropping by every damn day until the thing arrived.

This is better. Much better.

59 comments:

  1. I'm going to take the same line on this guy as I took, retroactively, on Riley Nash. Don't take a guy with such limited upside that early in the draft when there are far more skilled players left. You can get players that will perform a similar role later in the draft, or though trade/free agency.

    You want Mcilrath because he's good defensively, and physically imposing - fine. If we agree that he has little or no offence, then you must really like the way he plays defence. Here's a list of good defensive players, most with very good size, and where they were drafted:

    Rob Scuderi - 134th, 1998.
    Nik Hjalmarsson - 108th, 2005. Douglas Murray - 241st, 1999.
    Zdeno Chara - 56th overall, 1996.
    Jan Hejda - 106th overall, 2003.
    Josh Gorges - Undrafted.
    Hal Gill - 207th, 1993.
    Andy Sutton - undrafted.
    Willie Mitchell - 199th, 1996.
    Kevin Bieksa - 151st, 2001.
    Alex Edler - 91st, 2004.

    I neglected to include guys who were 2-way defencemen(excepting a few) or offensive players, otherwise this list would be a lot longer. Yes, I glossed over several defensive defencemen who were drafted in the 1st round like Barrett Jackman, Scott Hannan, Adam Foote.

    We're dealing with an issue of scarcity. The number of guys with elite skill is a lot less than the number of guys with great size and good skating ability. Generally, you can't find guys with elite skill through free angency. Through trade, it'll really cost you. The smartest way to pick up skill is through the draft. If you waste a 1st round pick on a guy with great size, skating ability ability, and a mean streak, ala Luke Schenn, (do you think the leafs would prefer to have Tyler Myers, Cody Hodgson, or Erik Karlsson now...?), then you probably have the wrong scouting staff. Sure, every now and again, a guy like Foote comes around, and you want to grab him (though he actually went in the 2nd round of his draft year) but you don't see guys like Luke Schenn turning around a hockey team. Drew Doughty turns around a team. I realize that he's incredibly unique, but he illustrates the fact that pure skill and hockey sense are much more important than size and a mean streak, though those things have their place - AFTER the first round.

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  2. Peter: All great points and I certainly agree that a team should pursue offense early.

    Having said that, the Oilers do not have a bunch of top flight kids on defense coming up and they have gotten away from those really good "value" signings like Hejda and Staios.

    As a matter of value we're on the same page. I think they should take a defenseman early because after Peckham, Plante and possibly Petry the cupboard is bare.

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  3. Yeah, I can't argue with you there. We definitely need at least one or two young stud d-men in our system. Peckham, Plante, Petry and co. all have some ability, and may play in the NHL, but likely in spots 4-7, if at all. I'd just like to see a guy who can play in both zones over a guy with more limited offensive upside.

    And just to clarify, I think that it's very important to have solid defensive defencemen in the lineup. My only qualm is that I think you can find it a bit later in the draft, or through trade/free agency.

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  4. If McIlrath is still around in the 20s, if I'm the Oilers, I try and find a way to trade up to pick McIlrath. McIlrath is a responsible Dman, but its his toughness that brings him to a whole new level. McIlrath is the best in this draft when it comes to physical intimidation. The Oilers need this kind of "nuclear" player if they want to change the "culture" of their team. Mcilrath has a chance to be Chara, but will probably be more Robyn Regehr, with the ability to fight like Sheldon Souray.

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  5. Peter, great points.

    I agree that a rugged, Jason Smith type can likely be had through trade, and that the first round is a risky pace to take any player whose game we might describe as being 'incomplete'.

    If the Oilers can flip Souray straight up for an Oduya type, I'd be pleased.

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  6. "My only qualm is that I think you can find it a bit later in the draft, or through trade/free agency."

    Later in the draft is such a crap shoot, for every Willie Mitchell, there are 5 Bryan Young's and Cody Wild's. Its pretty rare you find actual players that deep in the draft. Maybe you can find one in the UFA pile, but its probably gonna be just a stop gap type player.

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  7. The Oilers put themselves in this position (not enough at the major league level, thin in the pipeline) and I think we can make a reasonable argument that BOTH free agent signings and draft picks are the way to go here.

    I'd like to see a college or CHL free agent signing or two along the D this summer. They need "more" and "better."

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  8. I think this debate ties into the reason that Chicago won this year in the first place. Not only did they have high picks, and made great trades, but it was the types of players that they were able to pick up.

    Pat Quinn's idea of having one big player on each forward line was good, but he didn't have the horses. Stone, Jacques, Moreau, and Stortini are all best suited to the 4th line (at best). Chicago has Byfuglien, Hossa, Brouwer, Ladd, and Eager. All are capable of playing on several different lines. Then they had small shifty guys like Kane and Versteeg, along with more average sized guys like Toews, Sharp, and Bolland. They had shooters - Kane, Sharp, Versteeg, Hossa. Most of them are very good skaters too.

    So, I guess the key to winning is to have guys with lots of size, speed, and skill.

    ...

    Our forward prospect pool has a nice range of skill right now.

    Eberle - great shooter and passer, great hockey sense

    Paajarvi - great size, speed, skill

    Lander - more of a playmaker, good all around game, also a leader

    Van de Velde - size, grit, some skill

    Hartikainen - size, grit, some skill

    Seguin/Hall will add nicely to this group. Gagner is small so it's nice to have some size on the way. I think both Van de Velde and Hatikainen have a chance to make it, but maybe I'm an optimist in this regard. I think Brule might stick around a bit longer than people think too, based on age and the fact that he still has untapped potential. I left Nash out because of his persistent contract issue/trade potential, but he'd be another guy like Lander who could be a third liner with offence, or a defensively responsible 2nd liner, however you want to put it.

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  9. And when Remmerde talks about McIlrath's reach being huge, he's not underselling him. His wingspan was measured at the combine as being 6'11"!. That'll compensate for a lot of skating deficiencies, if you can cover that much ice a la Chara.

    And Myers was mentioned above, and while he had more skills, he was all projection with no production.

    McIlrath 65 6-17-24 169 PIM +20
    (Team Goal Diff: -4)

    Myers 65 6-13-19 97 PIM -16
    (Team Goal Diff: +33)

    That all being said, I'm not fan of taking "defensive defenceman" high in the 1st round. They can oftentimes take their time to develop and might be at free agency (e.g. Komisarek) or or another team (e.g. Chara) by the time they become useful. And if they stall in development, you have a much more limited player (e.g. Belak) than if you'd drafted someone more well rounded.

    And as an aside, I don't think Luke Schenn fits the aformentioned stereotype. Here's him compared to his '08 draftmates at even strength offence.

    Schenn PTS/60 0.90 GFON/60 2.76
    Doughty PTS/60 1.10 GFON/60 2.66
    Bogosian PTS/60 0.67 GFON/60 2.40
    Karlsson PTS/60 0.95 GFON/60 2.21

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  10. In fairness though the difference that makes a defender elite is powerplay production which I don't think Schenn has at all compared to the other players you have listed. Even strength production is important but nothing compared to being able to quarterback a powerplay ala Doughty or Bogosian.

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  11. BRIdub: I agree, but I was just trying to point out that he's not as unskilled as he's made out to be. I think he could be a second unit PP guy if given the opportunity down the road.

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  12. This is better. Much better

    Hells yeah. We may not yet have flying cars or hologram cellphones but this I can live with. The coverage nowadays is outstanding (although I do feel a bit strange oogling over a bunch of young men like this).

    I like McIlrath but so do a lot of people which means we have no chance of getting him. I'm not getting my hopes up. Jarred Tinordi seems like a good runner up.

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  13. Has anyone watched Back To the Future II recently?

    McFly and professor go 30 years into the future to save Martys kids. It was 1985 back then.

    They travel to year 2015, and are treated to a world of flying cars, anti-gravity skateboards etc.

    Thats 4.5 years away gentlemen. Buckle in!! Its gonna be a helluva ride.

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  14. BPA. Always draft the BPA. Drafting McIlrath would be a textbook example of drafting by 'need' instead.

    It reminds me of the Senators taking Cowen & leaving MPS for the Oilers to snatch up last year.

    Stay-at-home types typically take a long time to develop & are just as likely to come from a late-round flyer as a top-10 or top-15 pick.

    It makes far more sense to take the guy with more skill & upside instead of another project

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  15. I still have this 'feeling' that we pick Hall at #1 and then trade Hemsky and something else to CBJ for the #4. Brett Connolly anyone?!?

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  16. i'm really amazed that on an oiler's blog people are having issue with drafting a "Gator" type player.

    since gator, the closest thing we've had to a physical dman who hurts people (CFP not included) is matt greene and i think we'd all agree that MG was jason smith lite in all areas.

    everyone is saying, let's grab an impact player, but i see a 22 minutes physical force as an impact player. i understand the idea of only drafting forwards in the first few rounds because of development, but this is a special kid - scott stevens without the points.

    matt green was taken 44th.
    gator was taken 18th.
    scott stevens was taken 5th

    i think that's a pretty fair indicator of the type of player you can "hopefully" get in the draft at those positions. green'r could have easily been the flops we're starting to see in chorney, wild, etc. as we've all heard only 25% of second rounders make the show.

    we're not talking about going off the board here with Mc -- he's ranked high by everyone, for a reason.

    i don't think he'll get by colorado and pittsburgh which means if we want him, we'll have to move up to 15-16 spot, which works well with a boston trade, although i don't think there's much of a trade to be had if we're actually going with hall.

    otherwise, i think the cost will be too high

    does peckham + 31 + roster player (Nilsson) have any value?

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  17. ugh, you don't trade hemsky + for a question mark Connoly.

    if we're picking 4th, we probably end up with one of the D men available in that slot.

    am i the only one who thinks that johansson is going to go higher than he ought to, because of his height and "projected upside"? i think el nino got that line going and was obviously the stick that stirred.

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  18. How about this novel idea - not trading Hemsky period?

    You've got this season to prove to he and Penner that the team is going in the right direction. Next summer, you attempt to sign both to extensions, and if either is reluctant or unwilling to do so, you trade them at that time.

    Dealing off your best options on the wings for tough minutes duty and the first power-play unit for unproven commodities is not smart. You can only have so many kids - a veteran presence is required, and that's what those two (along with Horcoff) will provide to balance out against a still-developing Gagner and 100% green (with respect to the NHL) Eberle, Paajarvi-Svensson, and Hall/Seguin.

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  19. I agree completely with Peter and dwillms. Paying a premium for a certain skillset, however much needed, is still deviating from BPA. I would take McIlrath at 31, but I certainly wouldn't pay a price to move up and take him.

    If Boston is in fact willing to pay in order to draft 1st I really hope we can get 32nd overall from them. Having two picks at the end of the 1st would give MBS another bullet in the killing range (top 100).

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  20. LT: What about Troy Rutkowski? He seems a bit more like a 1st round kind of guy.

    2009-10 Portland Winterhawks WHL 71 12 31 43 70

    His stats this year, and he's not small at 6''01 220 LB.

    I like Mcylrath, but the Komisarek episode learned me that those dmans can be picked later on, and that going for a more complete guy early on was (IMO) wiser.

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  21. I've come to the opinion that you go forward every time in the first round unless you get a shot at an elite all-round player early. Too many quality guys like Keith and Weber are available in the 2nd round - just the way it is drafting 18 year olds. Dmen need more time to develop and there are late-bloomers you can take a flyer on. Same with goalies only more so - 3rd round at the earliest.

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  22. Can Ryan Whitney be our all around defenceman?

    He can play both sides and was a touted draft pick with good pedigree.

    Some Duck fans I know told me he was butter soft but he showed some sand and moxy in his game in his short stint here.

    I think he can be our "Keith" going forward.

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  23. Please excuse the length of this comment, but this McIlrath worship is getting goofy.

    The headline to the Redline article you linked to is 'No sure-fire No. 1 defensemen found on this year's prospects list'. They seem to think that this year is missing the truly elite top level D prospects. (first tier)

    McIlrath isn't in the Fowler/Gormley class. (second tier)

    Here's what Redline said about Plante and Ellerby in 2007, 'The third tier consists of two huge defenders from out west. Alzner's Calgary teammate, Alex Plante, has come a long way since the beginning of the season to be included on this top 10 list. At 6-4/215-pounds, he showed surprising offensive skills, particularly on the PP, where he can act as either trigger man or quarterback. He's not a big baggage smasher, but will use his body in front and to tie forwards up along the walls.

    Keaton Ellerby has as much raw physical talent and great tools as any defender in the draft. But after three full seasons in the WHL, his natural hockey sense is still lacking, and he has a disturbing predilection for ignoring coaches and taking undisciplined penalties. But he's a fine skater for a big kid, and one of the toughest fighters in this class. Overall, hasn't progressed as Red Line expected and left us mildly disappointed.'

    LT - I think you are looking at the wrong draft class to find the 'impact prospect' for the D. If we end up with another pick late in the first round, it would be better used on a F that ripens quicker - like Etem or Bjugstad or other.

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  24. Deano: Can't agree. BPA is almost always the way to go but the Oilers have a real problem on the blueline at this time.

    The trades of Staios, Grebeshkov and Lubo (with only Whitney returning) means the team has a problem in all areas: majors, minors and pipeline.

    As for McIlrath not being an impact prospect, no argument there. I'm not suggesting the Oilers take him top 5 or anything.

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  25. Not sure what BPA means to everyone....

    The links on the front page show a towering defenseman with a big wingspan; who punishes with his hits and is the most feared fighter in the draft.

    Skating needs some work - but a lot of later first round picks have that flaw...

    If someone wants to say a smaller, softer, better skating defenseman who puts up more points is the BPA, so be it...

    I'll pick the defenseman who can clear the front of the net - plus kill anyone who looks at them sideways.

    Because given a choice of the two, McIlrath is the BPA to me...

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  26. Gord: Well I think the Oilers have put themselves in a bad position with Chorney. He is SO small that I wonder if he'll be able to play in the NHL, and even at that he would be close to UFA when that happens.

    And I think Chorney is kind of the lightning rod for the scouts in this organization. High pick in a deep draft, combined with the belief that the NHL was going to change the rules forever and that smaller, skilled puck movers were going to take over the world.

    Now we're 5 years later and Chorney is a guy the organization simply has to be worrying over.

    So, human nature being what it is, McIlrath must look tempting with his skill set.

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  27. How hard is it to find a fighter, If that's what you decide you need? Is it a rare commodity? Does the word 'need' in the sentence above raise any flags?

    You take your BPA, and I'm not at all adverse to that being a Dman.
    But fighting is too much the big shiny in McIlrath's kit, and I'm hesitant to pay for that particular skill at the draft table. Take him if he's the best Dman available, but take fighting out of the evaluation first.

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  28. I like that he's big, and plays tough, agree w LT that we don't need a bunch of offence-first waterbugs out there. I don't care if he has shitty boxcars. Just make sure it's the hockey player you're drafting for, ignore the boxer.

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  29. LT you are using the wrong tool to fix the problem.

    The dearth of NHL blue liners right now is not solved at the draft table.

    Staois's minutes are easily replaced - if they do actually sign someone. (easy FA)

    Assume we get a real NHL Dman for Souray. (Who, by the way, is one tough SOB for those that overlook him when talking about the soft Oilers D)

    Grebs < Whitney < Lubo (hard FA)

    We have one easy FA D and one hard FA D to find. I don't think this is as difficult as we have been lead to believe by the recent past.

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  30. Deano: You've seen the overall depth chart, right? The Oilers have Whitney and Gilbert who are NHL defensemen and I'm tired of arguing about Smid so we'll include him in so this thread doesn't go awol.

    So that's 3. Plus Souray who will probably be traded.

    From the AHL, we have Chorney (not ready), Peckham (might be able to help but better for a callup role), Plante (looks good but isn't ready to contribute) and Motin (several sources including the coach suggested he was sheltered at the AHL level). And of course Petry who needs at least a full season in the AHL.

    The Oilers could sign Strudwick and or Johnson but this team needs help badly.

    In all three spots, majors, minors and pipeline. I don't think anyone can argue against the Oilers needing "several" new defensemen.

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  31. LT: I think the best you can hope for Smid to play top 4 minutes as well as he can, Johnson or a Johnson clone gets signed to shore up the bottom pair and the Souray trade lands us Smid's defense partner. And Peckham will likely have to make the team. I think thats as realistic the defense can look going into next year.

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  32. LT I think that since we are very shallow in the D position that we should use our second round and later picks this year and next to stock up on Dmen. I don't think its all that urgent for the Oilers to get guys who will help now. They aren't going to be a playoff team this comming year so why don't we just sign the strudwick and johnson type dmen to get us through this season till Petry, Plante, Peckham are ready for the show next season. I think we also have a glaring hole in Goal but if Dubnyk can play the way he did the last 10 games then I think he would be serviceable as a starter. If management doesn't have faith in him maybe they should take a stab at Carey Price if he could be had for a reasonable amount. Lastly I think if Mcilrath is available at 31 you take him. I don't condone playing too much to move up to draft him though.

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  33. LT: With what pick do you want Mcilrath? The 1st we would get or the 2nd?

    Because honestly I think it's a reach (And a reach in a lot of people's book), shouldn't we go for a guy like Mark Pysyk instead?

    I mean, we have a chance of drafting Mcylrath at 31st, but little to no chance of grabbing Pysyk there. Ain't always about the guy you want the most but where you select them, and how you limit your window by picking him.

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  34. I also think McIlrath would be a decent pick at 31, but I'd have a real tough time at 15.

    Do you think he's the BPA if a Johansen or Connolly slipped to 15? What about Forbort? Wouldn't you rather take a shot at Tarasenko?

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  35. LT - how would drafting nothing but Dmen after #1 this year help? That would create a depth problem at F in the future. (two wrongs...)

    The draft is the wrong tool.

    The kids drafted now don't help in the NHL for another 5 years. Free agents provide immediate relief. We are back to warm bodies.

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  36. Dwillms: I'd bet Tarasenko is gone by then, he could be the 3rd pick overall if teams are insured he will play in NA.

    Kabanov or Connoly tough, could still be there.

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  37. The ISS list is weird

    6. NINO NIEDERREITER 36 goals 60 PTS
    9. JEFFERY SKINNER 50 goals 90 PTS
    12. AUSTIN WATSON 20 goals 54 15. MIKAEL GRANLUND 13 goals 40 PTS (SM-Liiga)
    23. JADEN SCHWARTZ 33 goals 83 points (USHL)

    I mean i know there's size issues but ffs, that's ridiculous. 83 Points is 25 points over a guy like Kyle Okposo. (And Shwartz was alone on his team, draft that kid)

    Same goes for Weal.

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  38. If the Oilers wind up with the 15th and Connolly is available and they don't take him, my head will explode.

    My guess is that they take what Boston gives them to pass on Hall add a bit and try for Columbus' 4OV and grab a highly rated Dman.

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  39. WG: A ppg guy with Injury history? Maybe the Docs will say he's not okay, but they won't say that publicly. My head would explode for Granlund, ignorin a super talent and unprecedded domination in the SM-Liiga for size 0_0.

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  40. "I mean i know there's size issues but ffs, that's ridiculous. 83 Points is 25 points over a guy like Kyle Okposo. (And Shwartz was alone on his team, draft that kid)

    Same goes for Weal."

    Players like Weal and Schwarts will only be effective if players like Mcilrath are balancing out the roster.

    Drafting best player available is wrong.

    Drafting for need is wrong.

    Drafting best asset available is right.

    If Mcilrath can be as steady as Staios and bring Lucic's near heavyweight toughness then you've got one of the best assets in the league.

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  41. Traktor: For how long? These guys usually pan out later due to theyr size and take time to adapt. You get 2-3 years of them at theyr top and then they get UFA. The roster won't have anything to do with the one we have when guys like Granlund and Schwartz will be on the team. Guys like Paajarvi, Seguin/Hall aren't small guys. Plus you can always get a tough defender cheaper than a scorer.

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  42. Lowetide: with Chorney, I think the organization might give him the same extra chances like they have done with Jacques and Pouliot, based on whom they passed on to draft him (if memory serves me correctly, Paul Stastny went just a few picks after him) and hoping that he partially justifies that selection, just to save face (granted, passing on Stastny isn't the outright and inexcusable miss that passing on Parise/Getzlaf was, but if the Oilers had Stastny 2nd on their list behind Chorney at that time, maybe there's more regret behind closed doors about that selection than we know about).

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  43. Hbomb: Getzlaf had an okay season, he was aproximately where he was supposed to be picked. Statsny had nothing to do so far back.

    He just had early 1st round numbers and was passed on for whatever reason (He has size).

    That's the kind of picks Weal, Schwartz or Granlund could be.

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  44. had some thoughts on the matter LT, hope you don't mind the link:

    http://hockeysymposium.blogspot.com/2010/06/is-it-too-late-in-rebuild-cycleto-draft.html

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  45. Deano: Where on earth did I say the Oilers should draft nothing but Dmen after the 1st OV?

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  46. LT - it was in the same place where I said that the Oil had enough defensive depth in the system.

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  47. Deano: Oh, so you said it. Okay, I thought you'd read something from me that gave you that idea. Well we clearly don't agree on the Oilers depth on defense, so there's not much chance we're going to find common ground.

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  48. If it takes "non superstar" defensemen four years until they make an impact, then this is a good year to stock up since Whitney is a UFA three summers from now; Gilbert a UFA four summers from now. Plus Smid...

    Peckham and Petry were drafted in 2006; Plante in 2007; Motin in 2008; nothing in 2009... Only Petry has a decent possibility of being a top 4; Plante a slim one...

    If the philosophy is drafting to fill the pipeline, McIlrath fills the need.

    If the philosophy is drafting a big, hard hitting defenseman who can kill when needed & who has good odds of playing the #3/4 position four years down the road, McIlrath fills the needs.

    If the philosophy is BPA with the long term view (not within two years), McIlrath is on the radar screen long before the end of the 1st round...

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  49. Neither of us said the comments the other is attributing to us.

    We do agree on the defensive depth in the system. We disagree on how to effectively use the draft for the most benefit.

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  50. Just found this on McIlrath...

    "It's scary to see how far he's come from where he was at in August in 2008 to the middle of February," Moose Jaw coach Dave Hunchak told NHL.com.

    "The improvement on him is one of the biggest improvements I've seen in a single player ever."

    The 6-foot-4, 212-pound defenseman had 7 goals, 24 points and a plus-20 rating in 65 games, and his 169 penalty minutes were seventh in the WHL.

    Those numbers aren't bad for someone who really didn't put his full effort into the game until two seasons ago.

    "He didn't play midget hockey at 15. The next year he's playing in the Western Hockey League," said Hunchak.

    That's the equivalent of a football player jumping to Division I without playing in high school.

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=531511

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  51. Citing NHLers Shea Weber and Willie Mitchell as influences, McIlrath was given a lot of offensive opportunities after star blueliner Travis Hamonic was injured, then traded to Brandon.

    In fact, 16 of McIlrath’s 24 points came after the calendar flipped over to 2010 and his power play time greatly increased.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/33254-The-Hot-List-Dont-mess-with-McIlrath.html

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  52. Love McIlrath so far as it goes but when you have such a huge physical presence playing against boys (seriously a 6'11" wingspan is crazy in the NHL, in the Dub it's like half the rink just closed for road construction - there is no way through).

    That said, it's moot - he won't be available to us at 31 and trading up (or swapping with Bos to get their mid-round) is too risky, IMO.

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  53. LT, Deano -

    When the cupboard is bare - and it is, and not just at D (though it is most glaring there) - you go shopping in many places.

    The draft gives you a number of bullets but I don't like the notion of drafting for position. If you pick is up and the BPA is on D - great, take him. If not, take whose you best guess at best player on the board and move to your next pick.

    Rebuilding depth takes both time and a multi-pronged approach. Draft, yes but Free Agency (including the college ranks) and trades.

    On this point - enough already with the Hemsky for whatever is behind curtain #2 talk. We know what we have and what he can (and still could) do. The idea of dealing him makes little sense to me, certainly after a injury plauged season where his value is so low.

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  54. One interesting thing to note with McIlrath is that his +/- is WAY better than anyone other Don his team. He's not a guy that would seem to be driving the offence, so what's that all about?

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  55. Speeds,

    Jason Bast was +25 and Quinton Howden was +14 on the Warriors for the regular season.

    My guess is that McIlrath was on the ice a lot with those two and while they drove the offence, McIlrath had a "none shall pass" type defence going on.

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  56. Maybe a good comp for McIlrath is Derian Hatcher?

    While Hatcher was 6.6% of his team's offence in his draft year and McIlrath was 3.8%, McIlrath only spent 1/2 the season on the 1st PP as stated earlier in the thread.

    Looks like Stanton (20 years old) and Hamonic (19 years old) were 1PP D until Hamonic got traded.

    Hatcher is listed at 6'5 225lbs and was taken 8th overall in 1990 by the North Stars.

    McIlrath is lsted at 6'5" 215lbs. Something to note is that he is a RH shot, which increases his value a little.

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  57. I think I hated Hatcher more than any other NHLer for those years the Oilers always seemed to be up against the Stars in the playoffs.

    A big, mean minute eating Dman is pretty valuable.

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  58. Now McIlrath is Derrian Hatcher v2.0!

    He's the 6th guy on Redline's list in a year that they claim does not have any candidates for a true NHL #1. Hatcher was the 2nd D picked in 1990. Alex Plante was 7th on Redline's list in 2007 and the 6th D selected.

    yeesh.

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