This is Bobby Sheehan. Man he could scoot. Sheehan debuted with the Habs (despite being born in Bruin country. Same thing with Larry Pleau) but established himself as a California Golden Seal before cashing in with the WHA. He might have been faster than Yvan Cournoyer and the Roadrunner was a blur.Sheehan has a connection to this year's NHL draft. Possible first round pick Charlie Coyle is Sheehan's cousin, as is Tony Amonte. It always amazes me that so many NHL players have ties to the past; part of it might be that these kids grow up in a hockey mad environment and get an early start. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing Coyle's foot speed.
Here are some other related notes:
- Ottawa 67's LW Dalton Smith: His Dad was Derrick Smith, who played several seasons with the Flyers.
- Oshawa Generals RW Christian Thomas: His Dad is former NHLer Steve Thomas
- US National Team defender Jarred Tinordi, son of the infamous Mark Tinordi.
- Sault Ste. Marie defenseman Brock Beukeboom is the son of former Oiler Jeff Beukeboom.
More bloodlines are contained in this item from (ahem) Fox News.
Another draft-related item: for those of you who missed it, here's a text recap of the interview Jason Gregor did with Tyler Seguin yesterday afternoon.
ReplyDeleteIt always amazes me that so many NHL players have ties to the past; part of it might be that these kids grow up in a hockey man environment and get an early start.
ReplyDeleteIt's because these players typically come from backwood townships with only two sources of entertainment: hockey and incest.
Seriously though, I bet they play on backyard rinks a lot more in East Weymouth than they would in Boston.
The more I hear Seguin speak, the more I think that he is exactly the player you want leading your team for a long time.
ReplyDeleteHe comes across as a Toews/Sakic/Yzerman type. A guy who can lead your team in all situations on the ice and help set the tone for class and character for your team.
He is one of your best PKers, 5v5 outscorer and on 1PP.
These guys are very rare, and you can never, ever trade for them, especially now in the cap era.
I think Hall is a hell of a player. Its like he was born to play hockey. He strikes me as a higher end Ryan Smyth type. Not a cerebral player, but one who every ounce of his being is dedicated to hockey.
Hall will do what he does very well, but there will be a limit to how he contributes to the team....maybe along the lines of Kessel.
You take Seguin because he will be the right kind of leader, and will be able to think the game at a high level for a long time, which will enable him to contribute as a premier player over a longer period of time because he will have the ability to adjust his game as his hockey knowledge grows and his body ages.
I trust MBS to make the right call.
Mark Tinordi spent one spring looking like Bobby Orr-was that '91? My memory is hazy, but I seem to recall he pretty much demolished the Oilers on his own. Tinordi, Sam Gagner's old man, and a young Mike Modano who presumably acquired a taste for Oiler killing at that time.
ReplyDeleteMark Alt- It would be nice to have his problems at 17.
ReplyDelete"Alt could be a sleeper now that he will dedicate all of his time to hockey. Alt, a heavily recruited quarterback, was Minnesota's High School Player of the Year in football, but recently decided to play hockey over football in college. Mark is the son of John Alt, who played 12 seasons in the NFL."
http://www.mnhockeyprospects.com/mark-alt/
90/91 playoffs the North Stars beat the Oilers 4-1 in the Conference Final.
ReplyDeleteStars went on to lose to Mario and a rookie Jagr in the final.
That was the start of the long decline of the Oilers franchise.
Woodguy: my thoughts exactly.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I'm quite happy with either player they take, you've expressed a good chunk of why I am leaning ever-so-slightly towards Seguin right now.
A three goal performance from Hall tomorrow could sway me back the other way. Really and truly, I don't see how the Oilers can go wrong, but they're going to get questioned by 50% of the "experts" out there no matter which way they go, as there is no clear-cut, consensus front-runner at this point.
I think this is a somewhat unique season in that even the experts are divided. I wish David Conte would tell us what he thinks, or that Swedish fisherman guy who scouts the backwoods of Tre Kronor.
ReplyDeleteI agree that they can't really go wrong either way. I do hope that if they go with Seguin they manage to squeeze something out of Boston for it. Even if that something is just swapping the 31st pick for Boston's 24th(?) pick. My excitement for this years draft is starting to shift from Hall/Seguin to what else the Oil might do in the first round. My gut is telling me they might do something with Columbus.
ReplyDeleteNotwithstanding the hysterics of some segments of the Oilogosphere, all indications are that this is a Stamkos-Doughty type decision - two different but undeniably valuable players.
ReplyDeleteI'm still leaning towards the centre myself, especially if we can extract something from Boston not to take Hall, but either way we're getting a very, very good player.
I just can't get myself too worked up over this.
Random trade proposal
ReplyDeleteBoston gets:
Souray (5.4m/ 2 years)
Penner (4.25m / 2 years)
Cogliano (1.75m - RFA estimate)
JDD (1m - RFA estimate)
Predators 2nd rounder
12.4m in salary
Edmonton gets:
2nd Overall
Tim Thomas (5m/ 3 years)
Micheal Ryder (4m/1 year)
Marco Sturm (3.5m/ 1 year)
12.5m in salary
It would be tough to swallow that Thomas contract and would make our goaltending situation more of a mess. Both Ryder and Sturm come off the books next year and of course, you get both Hall and Seguin. They are a better team in 3 years when Penner would leave anyway.
Boston is immediately better at FW adds Souray to the D and gets a back up to Rask, plus adding a top 60 pick. They are a better team top to bottom.
Yeah that trade would never happen so no point discussing it.
ReplyDeleteIf I write in Hall instead of 2nd OV, I have trouble making that trade if I'm Boston. And you're missing his salary (not that it matters).
ReplyDeleteIt's only possible if their need to dump salary is greater than their desire for Hall and they've had no nibbles on the salaries involved. All of which I doubt.
WG said...
ReplyDeleteI think Hall is a hell of a player. Its like he was born to play hockey. He strikes me as a higher end Ryan Smyth type.
Why do I think you're damning with faint praise?
;o)
From the interview, I don't get a strong sense of competitiveness from Seguin. There seems like a little "let the chips fall where they may" in him. Other than that he sounds pretty good.
Christian Thomas is like a miniature version of his dad with that same shot. I find it interesting when there are some players who recall their parents style of play so well and others like a Sam Gagner who have little resemblance.
ReplyDeleteFrom the interview, I don't get a strong sense of competitiveness from Seguin. There seems like a little "let the chips fall where they may" in him. Other than that he sounds pretty good.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he's figured out that you should only worry about things that you can control?
If so, that's a trait many never grasp.
I wish my wife and mother could figure that out...those 2 expend so much energy on the stuff they can't control....
http://ohlprospects.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteI'm sure it was posted here last year, but this is, as the title indicates, an OHL prospects blog run by a long-time and excellent poster on HF. He's just published a top 50 draft ranking for the OHL and it's a good read to help familiarize yourself with the draftable players out of that league.
I've read articles suggesting Sheehan could go anywhere from top-10 to second round, depending on team need. Kind of a boom or bust prospect the Rangers always go for.
ReplyDeleteI might have to go out and buy a Wheat Kings jersey crested with Rajala's 21 after yesterday's performance. I know Glennie was injured and everything, but I'll take Rajala in the 4th round over Glennie 8th OV in a heartbeat. Hall v Rajala round two on Sunday and I have to work. Goddamn I hate how my life revolves around having to make money instead of watching the best Junior hockey game of the season.
LT
ReplyDeleteKnow it sounds crazy but don't you think Conte would love to get the better player into the Western conference? Devils are not picking 1 or 2 so the only thing he is conflicted on does he want the Bruins to get the best player from 2010 draft
If the Magnificent Bastard and Conte agree that one is better than the other....I can live with that even if they are wrong
If Conte offered an opinion you could not trust it.
ReplyDeletePaajarvi and Sweden's gold medal hopes blown up by an untimely icing call on Johan Harju. The Czechs tied it with 10 seconds left in the game, and won in a shootout.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing that Seguin comes off as that may tip the scales in his direction?
ReplyDeleteHe just sounds flat-out intelligent, and based on how the Oilers have drafted the past few years (the Eberle pick being the best example in terms of putting a high weighting on "hockey sense"), that could end up being a critical factor.
My guess is that MBS and Co. aren't going to make their minds up on this important (to put it mildly) decision until about 24 hours prior to 5pm MST on June 25th. T-minus 34 days, 5 hours and 11 minutes....
Hearing a lot of trade rumours i think i should break something:
ReplyDeleteSheldon Souray most probably has a negative value among 90% of the teams. Always injured, big monry, slowed down offensively and can't defend better than a 5th or 6th D.
Woodguy said...
ReplyDeleteMaybe he's figured out that you should only worry about things that you can control?
Maybe, maybe not. Can't really tell for sure from the article alone.
Unfortunately, Coyle doesn't have either uncle's footspeed. While he can break away just when you think he's shown you all he has, his 'top' gear is merely average for an NHL prospect and his acceleration from a standstill is dirt-poor.
ReplyDeleteOn the positive side, he doesn't load up on the PP (just 24 of his 63 points were on the man advantage) and he's a fantastic all-around playmaker. Unlike a lot of kids with all-world skill at that age, he knows to make the defense work for the puck by moving it as far east-west as possible. Big shoulders, too, and he knows how to use them to keep possession.
In total I'd say he's akin to a slower Max Pacioretty. Not much of a shot to speak of, but he's a big guy who can control his side of the ice and you can't ask for more in the 20-30 range.