- Boxcars: 73gp, 11-23-34
- Shots: 191
- Plus Minus: -35
- Corsi (Rel): -3.9 (9th among F's)
- GF/GA ON: 28-58
- 5x5/60: 1.29 (9th among F's)
- 5x4/60: 3.36 (5th among F's)
- Quality of Competition: 4th toughest among F's
- Quality of Teammates: 9th best among F's
- FO %: 36.4% in 195 FO's
- Offensive Zone Start FO %: 49.9% (2nd easiest among F's)
- Cap Hit: $2,925,000
- What do these numbers tell us? Some feel he was unlucky, others question his compete level and still others believe he's been worthless all down the line ala Lupul. The fact is that O'Sullivan had a full season worth of at-bats and didn't deliver close to enough for a player with his skills, experience and cap hit.In fact, the Oilers probably would have used another option if they had one, because the guy looked indifferent for much of the season. His frustration level when missing glorious chances and his "finally!" expression when scoring brought back memories of Lupul and Hecht, two former "first shot scorers" who didn't deliver in this area.
- How Could these numbers be better? I don't think they could be any worse. My own feeling is that there's a player here, but he lost confidence (his own and then that of the coaching staff) and eventually he just went through the motions. He may never be a good NHL player, but he'll have better seasons in the show. This season will have a major impact on his career in that it was so bad the next opportunity could be his last one.
- Should the buy him out? Hell no. O'Sullivan has some things on his resume (prior to this season) that imply he might be in the wrong place (with all of these other small skill F's). I'd try to deal him over the summer and if no one wants him, do the Sam Pollock "hey, Chuck Arnason just scored 20" trick and pump and dump. If not, play the man and hope someone comes calling.
- Is this a one off, a one-time crappy season? No, he's regressing and it has been going on for awhile. Before he was dealt to EDM, Rudy Kelly at the Battle of California wrote "Patrick O'Sullivan had regressed this season. I don't think anyone will argue that point. Despite the fact that O'Sullivan had played mostly with Anze Kopitar and Jarret Stoll this season, he still couldn't outscore himself from last year when he played with Michal Handzus. I don't know what it was, maybe he didn't like playing for Terry Murray as much as he liked playing under Marc Crawford, maybe the time off at the beginning of the season was bad for him, or maybe he just got unlucky. He wasn't as dynamic offensively, wasn't as efficient defensively, and looked somewhat disinterested all year. Whatever the reason, he was not the player we expected him to be."
- And you expect someone to trade for that? Well, we did. The NHL is full of General Managers who'll take a chance on skill over and over again. O'Sullivan isn't going to get drummed out of the league yet, and although the return might be a mid-round pick that's better than giving him money to go away.
- How Important is he to the organization? He's a negative now, and I do think they'll buy him out (Stauffer was on this with Patty O and Nilsson months ago) but at this point one hopes Tambellini can get something in return for him. He won't be back.
By The Numbers
- 07-08 5x5 per 60m: 2.05
- 08-09 5x5 per 60m: 1.69
- 09-10 5x5 per 60m: 1.29
By The Numbers
- 07-08 5x4 per 60m: 3.07
- 08-09 5x4 per 60m: 2.05
- 09-10 5x4 per 60m: 3.36
Performance in 2009-10: 73gp, 11-23-34 (.466)
Projected Role in 2010-11: Skill winger for a bottom feeder NHL team
This is one Oiler I hope they can move with little loss. After about 15 games after the trade last year, the doubt for me set in with this guy, and he didn't disapoint that doubt this year. How can someone have that much bad luck? He has had more golden scoring chances than any player this year and has not buried them, is that luck? Does anyone think they should keep him given he is in a contract year, maybe he lights both the net up and his trade value?
ReplyDeleteWith all respect to what you are saying, I think bad luck is something that you make, especially when it continues over 92 games. Good players have good luck because they do the things and put themselves in the right places to succeed/get the bounces that we ascribe to luck.
ReplyDeletePOS does not.
of course my favorite stones record goes to probably my least favorite oiler this year. I had really hoped he would be the player his skill set and pedigree implied, but he just looked so lost for most of the year. I recall at the beginning of the season when the Oilers went off to that 6-3-1 start (remember that?) and POS had a whale of a game, against the Wild I think, where he bounced off Boogaard and made a sick blind pass to Penner amongst several other highlight reel plays. That is the potential he has. But with this many at bats, he has very few actual moments of delivery. I don't trust him as a player, and I think that's the problem. I am not convinced that he trusts himself, either. He certainly needs to go, but where? A buyout is a worst case scenario-I agree completely LT, try and trade him for something this summer. Maybe another GM will be blinded by the idea of skill too
ReplyDeleteI think they might be stuck with buying him out even though it really isn't the best idea. Surely they would have got rid of him at some point this season if anyone was at all interested.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing I can think of that would indicate that he may have some trade value left in him is maybe Tambellini has been sitting on him, hoping he'd turn the corner, all season long.
You're on the money about him playing with the right players to be effective. It's too bad that we don't really have anyone that he can gel with. I don't see much help for him coming either. I suppose Prucha did okay with Jagr. Salvation?
"Projected Role in 2010-11: Skill winger for a bottom feeder NHL team"
ReplyDeletePlease just don't say that bottom feeder team is Edmonton. I'd rather keep Nilsson.
OKC needs offence. I don't understand why the org isn't seriously thinking about it.
ReplyDeleteHe is just such a cowardly player. I can't remember how many times he could be first to a puck on the forecheck only to slow up and pretend to bodycheck the defender.
ReplyDeleteHe does take the puck fearlessly to the net on occasion which gives hope, but on the other 9/10 plays he is happy being second to the puck.
I think he's a bottom six scorer and PP specialist for a good team. The kind of guy who gets assigned a role and runs with it.
ReplyDeleteIt is very unfortunate that things turned out this way. He looked outstanding in camp, especially with Hemsky. Early on he was playing a very balanced game and he's a hell of a skater.
That all came off the rails. I suspect the issue is still between the ears, which is unfortunate. Someone needs to do some serious psych work; because there's one hell of a hockey player under there.
Just because this is the first time I've seen this...
ReplyDeleteForgive me if this has already been reported, but, as expected, defenceman Ryan Whitney had surgery to repair his right foot last Friday after seeing a specialist in Carolina.
Whitney, 27, had a procedure called an osteotomy, which helps re-align the bones in his foot. He was born with abnormally high arches and had the same procedure on his left foot while with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Oilers PR man J.J. Hebert tells me the procedure was a success. The recovery time is about three months, so Whitney should be ready to resume off-season training well before camp opens.
- Brownlee @ ON
I have never seen a player quit on the puck as much POS.
ReplyDeleteI think that the game itself just doesn't matter that much to him.
Lots of pro athletes want to win every game because that's how they are programmed. Other don't care as much, some don't care at all, its just a job. I think to POS hockey is a job, and one that he doesn't care for, at least in his last year in LA and year + in Edmonton.
Since POS's actual salary is $537K less than his cap hit (2.925-2.388), this may help move him to non-cap team that will take a chance on him in their top 6.
Not to get ahead of LT, but this may help move thecapatainethanmoreau too as his actual salary is 250K less than his cap (2.0-1.75)
Don't sneeze at those dollars either. The rumor that Jones was a part of the Nashville package, but was waived to save $75K for the Preds may be true, so $537K and $250K has real meaning for some clubs.
This player has been drummed out of 2 and now probably 3 organizations before he is 25. Not a good sign.
ReplyDeleteso $537K and $250K has real meaning for some clubs.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutly - particularly to a team with 8000 fans in the seats in an underwater economy. Many American teams are seeking low cost - moderate success approaches. Not everyone can be a competitive, cap-pushing team like the Oilers.
I had to play this song for someone the other night to convince her that I wasn't just making up words. Similarly, I wouldn't have believed POS's season if I hadn't seen it myself.
ReplyDeleteTwo bad seasons? Reputation as an uncoachable player? $3 million dollar cap hit? League worst in +/-?
ReplyDeleteNobody wants that player, guys. They won't be able to deal him and they definitely don't want to keep him.
He's as good as bought-out.
O'Sullivan might be a buyout candidate, but since we've got the cap space this coming season, I'd rather just keep him and save myself the cap room next year. Who knows, we might be able to get something for him at the deadline if his numbers improve. Either way, I think he can be better (he can't be worse), but I won't lose any sleep if he's not an Oiler come preseason.
ReplyDeleteThis has been a lovely series thus far, LT and pretty bang-on in most respects, especially the last two fellas.
ReplyDeleteHis compete level is so low he'd likely drown trying to get out of the shallow end.
But the guy has a knack for getting into scoring position. Too bad he has less finish than raw lumber.
Whether this is a confidence or mental issue is hard to say. There are a couple of scouts/execs on record stating this isn't the POS they remember.
But I think he's tradeable. It may take a package.
As far as OKC goes, I doubt he makes it through waivers.
As far as OKC goes, I doubt he makes it through waivers.
ReplyDeleteThen someone else has taken him and the Oilers haven't had to give up anything to get it done. Sounds like win/win to me.
The one third buyout is attractive for both Nilsson and O'Sullivan.
ReplyDeleteOne can get a UFA 3rd line centre for 2 years @ $1.5 million dolars per season for NO NEW ACTUAL dollars by buying out O'Sullivan and Nilsson.
The total CAP cost also remains the same, but distributed over two years.
i.e
Buyout Nilsson and O'Sullivan. Get a third line centre for free.
i.e.
Via the buyout route for both the midget stepchildren, one can effectively trade Nilsson and O'Sullivan for a 3rd line centre for no new net actual dollars.
The assuredness of some buyout declarations remind me of the summer that everyone absolutely KNEW that Roloson was getting traded.
ReplyDeleteA buyout would be pretty goddamn stupid for a rebuilding team (which means they're more like to do it, because goddamn they're stupid.) The team punted next season already, there's no reason to pay money, cap space, or picks to get people off the cap this year... and if O'Sullivan is really so terrible you should welcome him driving the team down for another lottery pick.
Play him next year and either hope he delivers a valuable year and you can flip him for a fourth to some borderline playoff team or just watch the end of his Oiler career in slow motion. Don't pay him to play somewhere else when you don't need the space.
But the next wave of midgets are coming! We need room!
ReplyDeleteSend him to OKC, tell him to work on the simple things and relax and bit, and he'll get a call-up if he warrants it or get claimed on waivers.
ReplyDeleteThis is not the Patrick O'Sullivan that was a star for the Ice Dogs and had kids loving him when he was in Mississauga. And it's certainly not the Patrick O'Sullivan that broke in with the LA Kings a few seasons back.
Buddy fought through a messed up family life with his father, whatever this is, one hopes he can battle through it and return from the wilderness and fog.
Either way, so far this amounts to absolutely bupkiss in return for Pitkanen.
Agree 100% with Ribs. I find it ludicrous that people want to buyout Nilsson and O'Sullivan when both only have 1 season left and can be released as UFAs at seasons end.
ReplyDeleteThis team is going nowhere next season and can easily afford 1.5 for a 3rd line centre anway, so what's the point? Just play them and see if they improve then trade or release them at the end of the year.
Any chance the leafs would take POS for Finger? Would edm want that extra year of salary?
ReplyDelete//Agree 100% with Ribs. I find it ludicrous that people want to buyout Nilsson and O'Sullivan when both only have 1 season left and can be released as UFAs at seasons end.//
ReplyDeleteBecause you can pay for a "real' player with the actual money you save buying them out.
Swap Nilsson and O'Sullvan for a "real" player, a value UFA free agent, at no ACTUAL cost.
If the Oilers are going to develop the new prospects properly, they need more "real" players NOW, not later.
The Western Conference is so strong, that chopping off the dead wood as soon as you can is not going to affect whether the Oilers are a lottery contender next year.
Godot, the paradox of your statement is if you need real players now, you don't have it w/POS and Nilsson and they have no trade value.
ReplyDeleteIt was no secret they were shopped at the trade deadline and they couldn't even get a bag of pucks.
Chances they have any value at the draft table are only slightly better. Reputation and results are in the books, no hiding them.
If you're going to send them to OKC, that's fine. But keeping them in the false hope there's a trade partner because you don't want to spend $1million in cap money this season and next is not smart. There is no excuse for us to be anywhere near the cap in 2010/11 as we won't be competing for a playoff spot, so cut your losses now in the hopes that 2011/12 is a better day.
Not sure if I would be using words like stupid or ludicrous when discussing potential buyouts on the two players mentioned.
ReplyDeleteThe Oilers will be paying this dynamic duo 4.888 Million dollars next season. Thats an expensive set of bookends for the bench (or the pressbox).
The team has a problem with their work ethic. Keeping soft players around isn't helping anything.
You can argue that O'Sullivan was unlucky this year, and he probably was. Maybe he finishes a few more chances and is marginally better but what he needs to do is change the style of game that he plays, and thats very hard to do.
Getting sent down to the minors is not an option, why risk having another team claim them and then be forced to pay half of their salary when you can cut them loose for only a third?
There is a culture of defeat on this team and one has to remove it. It would go a long way towards
turning things around.
If the Oilers are going to develop the new prospects properly, they need more "real" players NOW, not later.
ReplyDeleteWho are we calling up? Eberle and MPS seem like they both need another year in their respective leagues, Hall/Seguin is going to get paired with two of our four real players.
Hall-Horcoff-Hemsky
Penner-Gagner-Eberle
Moreau-Pouliot-O'Sullivan
Stone-Potulny-Stortini
And that's assuming you bring in Eberle. Here's an alternative bottom six:
Cogliano-Pouliot-Brule
Stone-Potulny-Stortini
PB: Moreau/O'Sullivan
Which prospect is suffering there? Eberle and Hall, the two high-end guys we have are matched with two strong C-W pairings. In scenario one, Pouliot centers a checking line that will get destroyed. In scenario two, Horcoff/Gagner lines split tough duties and your mid-level prospects hopefully do something.
That's only one set of scenarios -- say we don't resign ANY of the Cogliano-Pouliot-Brule line and Souray gets traded. You can afford plenty of Reasoner and Fiddler types for next year and then the year after O'Sullivan/Moreau are off the books and you have even more space.
I just do not understand buying a player out in our situation. We have a ton of cap space and no chance of competing, don't incur a useless penalty (even minor) in Year 2 to pointlessly make space in Year 1.
Getting sent down to the minors is not an option, why risk having another team claim them and then be forced to pay half of their salary when you can cut them loose for only a third?
ReplyDeleteIf you don't recall them there's no risk of paying half their salary. And, frankly, you'd only be paying half their salary in 10-11 so who would care if someone did claim them?
Why would you want an $800K - $1MM cap hit for 11-12 versus paying it all next year and getting done with it.
Getting sent down to the minors is not an option, why risk having another team claim them and then be forced to pay half of their salary when you can cut them loose for only a third?
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't happen on the way down. Any team that claims them would be on the hook for the entire salary.
It's on the way back up that the 1/2 rule applies.
And as for the actual dollar cost, that's Katz's fucking problem. He doesn't like paying it? Maybe he should shitcan the GMs who created the mess.
like other here have been saying .. just play him next year and hope he improves to a tradable level, or send to OKC and possibly get rid of him on waivers.
ReplyDeletei don't think there's any need to buy him out. personally i'd like to see him clear waivers go down to OKC and somehow play himself back onto the oilers.
If we can accept that the team is not going anywhere next year, I fail to see how buying out these players (O'Sullivan, Nilsson, Moreau) makes sense.
ReplyDeleteWhy bother sacrificing future cap space and money beyond the next season, when you can merely play them the final year on their contract and discard them?
A buyout also precludes the possibility that any of these players bounce back to the point where they might have value at the trade deadline or during the season.
If management decides that any of these players are having an undue negative effect on the team, that's another issue. But if they're not, let them play. They had bad years, but so did 90% of the team.
And as for the actual dollar cost, that's Katz's fucking problem.
ReplyDeleteThis is key.
A lot of posters are making the assumption that Tambellini will make the more prudent decision in respect to actual $$$ and/or cap hit and I think that is 3rd or 4th on his list of requirements when it come to the player purge.
One of Tambellini's declared objectives is to clean the players who don't want to be here out of the room. POS is at or near the top of that list.
If he can't be traded then he will be bought out so he doesn't infect the younger players with his attitude (in Edmonton or OKC)
The same goes with Moreau (if the rumours are true). More than one MSM type alluded to the fact that the Oiler's didn't bring up 14 from OKC solely because they didn't want him exposed to that poisonous room.
Tambellini's goal is to not have certain players in the organization next year, and if he has to buy them out to do it, he will. Cap and real dollars be damned.
If 12 is a part of the purge, I'm sure they can get something for him. He's the 2nd best RW on the team and +relcorsi player. I keep 12 around if I can't get something decent for him. (2nd or 3rd rounder would be ok)
//Godot, the paradox of your statement is if you need real players now, you don't have it w/POS and Nilsson and they have no trade value.//
ReplyDeleteThat is my point exactly. The way one GETS VALUE out of Nilsson and O'Sullivan IS to buy them out. It gives you $3 million dollars that has already been spent to sign a avlue UFA for 2 years @ $1.5 million for free.
i..e. Buying out Nilsson and O'Sullivan and signing a value UFA with the ACTUAL dollar savings is like trading Nilssson and O'Sullvian for a "real" player.
We agree that they have no trade value, but one can create value and get a real player for them by buying them out.
The cap effects od the dual buying and value free agent signing is minimal. I posted the actual and cap costs in the previous thread.
The way to get actual value for Nilsson and O'Sullivan is to buy them out. One can get a "real" player oine year sooner for "free"
i..e. Buying out Nilsson and O'Sullivan and signing a value UFA with the ACTUAL dollar savings is like trading Nilssson and O'Sullvian for a "real" player.
ReplyDeleteMy concerns, in order of priority:
1) Next year's cap space
2) Getting rid of toxic players
3) This year's cap space
4) The players we bring in this year
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Last) Katz's wallet
You're trading a very limited resource (salary cap room) for one which is, for our purposes, limitless (Actual cash). It doesn't make sense.
"Regressed" is just a euphemism for "we thought he was good (or going to be good) but turns out he's a total POS." If the guy has "regressed" at every desperate stop in his so-called career, he's a bona fide POS.
ReplyDelete1) Next year's cap space
ReplyDelete2) Getting rid of toxic players
3) This year's cap space
4) The players we bring in this year
I basically agree with this, but it's not an absolute ranking: for example, if I could get rid of Moreau, O'Sullivan, and Nilsson in exchange for one dollar of 2011-2012 space, I'd do that, and I suspect that so would you. I'm on the fence about whether it's worth doing so for the actual (~$1.5 million) cost, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
There are a pile of things wrong with the Oilers, the biggest of which that its players aren't good enough. We're not going to fix that next year, but we can start fixing some of the other problems: veteran entitlement, culture of defeat, etc. If the Oilers finish thirtieth and are again the laughingstock of the league (which I doubt happens), they're at least the laughingstock of the league for a couple fewer reasons, and we make ourselves that much less unappealing as a UFA destination.
Nothing about the Oilers is a quick-fix, and I think the sooner we get started on any of it, the better.
Either way, so far this amounts to absolutely bupkiss in return for Pitkanen.
ReplyDeleteNot true. In a roundabout way we got rid of Lupul.
I prefer POS over Zoolander. There was a kid who would shy away from physical contact so much you could set your watch to it. Carlyle made him look brilliant by playing him against the POS's of the NHL, and MacT didn't have the luxury of protecting him.
BTW, thanks, LT, for making me spit coffee on my keyboard. "Less than spongeworthy"? Beauty.
ReplyDeleteAt least Lupul had his 4 goal playoff gasme, and Carter was dread.
ReplyDeleteKesler, Datsyuk and Jordan Staal finalists for the Selke trophy.
ReplyDeleteKesler had a decent season, but I can't see how Datsyuk doesn't take this one again in a walk. Don't really know what Staal did to deserve the mention, as I'm sure Pitt doesn't really have to line-match.
So if O'Sullivan only merits "Let it Bleed," who gets "Turd on the Run"?
ReplyDeleteFor most of the Oilers roster, you could just auto-repeat that song on the jukebox and keep pumping in the quarters.
I'm waging the mad russian gets "Sympathy for the Devil"
ReplyDeleteSouray gets "Before They Make Me Run"
ReplyDelete???
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Great series, LT.
I'd rather not see POS in Oilers silks again, but a buyout seems like spite and not a pragmatic move.
Woodguy said...
ReplyDeleteI have never seen a player quit on the puck as much POS.
I'd say Lupul is still the gold standard for this sort of thing. On a scale of 1-10 Lupuls, where 10 is Joffrey himself, I'd say POS is about an 8. That's very Lupulish.
"You Can't Always Get What You Want" applies to so many of these guys; I'm curious to see where it ends up.
ReplyDeleteI prefer POS over Zoolander. There was a kid who would shy away from physical contact so much you could set your watch to it.
ReplyDelete2009-10 stats:
Lupul 23 GP, 31 hits
POS 73 GP, 32 hits
Do you suppose that if Lupul had played 50 more games, he might have gotten at least 1 more hit?
He is just such a cowardly player. I can't remember how many times he could be first to a puck on the forecheck only to slow up and pretend to bodycheck the defender.
I saw this too, over and over and fucking over. There were many nights that the guy won approximately zero races to a puck if it would have entailed receiving a serious hit to win possession. And unlike other guys who take a circuitous route to arrive second, he wouldn't hit the other guy either. He'd just let the other dude take the puck and stand off and pretend to stick check him, generally ineffectually. I'm not sure I've ever seen the like, tell you the truth, but I saw so many blatant examples of this throughout O'Sullivan's 92 games as an Oiler that I'm left with little doubt. AFAIC, if a guy doesn't wanna win battles for the puck the guy just doesn't want to win, full stop. So get him the fuck out of here.
It's too damn bad, I know the kid's back story and I wouldn't wish that on the son of my worst enemy. But to me he looks like the deer in the headlights out there on way too many nights, with relatively few good - occasionally very good - moments. What did he play, 10 good games while he was here? I do know he had a bigger minus than points in both seasons as an Oiler, pretty much 2 against for every 1 for.
But he looks like a hockey player, so the coaches kept throwing him over the boards. And he kept getting killed. So they kept throwing him over the boards ...
You own a Jag, uninsured. You have $48000 left to pay on it. You total it.
ReplyDeleteThe terms of your car loan gives you the following options. 1) You own the loan in full. You must pay $48K. 2) You can pay 16K, and the loan will be paid in full. Your choice.
Amazingly, many of you guys want to choose option 1, and would pay $32 K more than you have to.
I know I could find a lot better things to use $3 K for than on my totaled car. I could certain go an buy another car with the money. Or it would pay for nearly 1% of the big new house I am planning on building.
The Oilers negotiated for Nilsson and POS.
ReplyDeleteWho is to say that if the Oilers take the buy out route that they will spend their reduce cap space wisely the second time?
Godot, I'm cautiously pro-buyout (see above), but your refusal to even acknowledge the 2011-2012 cap space issue as a counter-argument is becoming annoying.
ReplyDeletePOS is what you call a bad hockey player. Simple as that.
ReplyDeletePOS is what you call a bad hockey player. Simple as that.
ReplyDelete//Godot, I'm cautiously pro-buyout (see above), but your refusal to even acknowledge the 2011-2012 cap space issue as a counter-argument is becoming annoying.//
ReplyDeleteThe Oilers aren't going to be anywhere near the cap, a position advocated by many on this blog also, to take advantage of the Chicago's and the Philadelphia's.
That plus,
The Oilers can't be remotely close to the cap in 2011-2012, because they have to be building space for the second contracts of Eberle and Sequin and MPS already. If the $800K is an issue, it means that the Oilers will be vulnerable to offer sheets in 2013. With all the second contracts looming, the Oilers have to be running $10-15 million below the cap in 2011-12 in advance or they will be screwed.
Don't really know what Staal did to deserve the mention, as I'm sure Pitt doesn't really have to line-match.
ReplyDeleteThey kinda do. Malkin is not very good at playing even strength hockey.
Kesler, Datsyuk and Jordan Staal finalists for the Selke trophy.
ReplyDeleteKesler had a decent season, but I can't see how Datsyuk doesn't take this one again in a walk. Don't really know what Staal did to deserve the mention, as I'm sure Pitt doesn't really have to line-match.
Also, Kesler's season was more than decent. He's half the reason we had to listen to CBC orgasm all over itself night after night about the Sedins.
Without Kesler playing (without question) THE toughest minutes on the Canucks, the Sedins offense would be just normal (their usual 80 pts) this season.
LT, I usually find it easy to endorse your judgement, but I must call into question your decision making here.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't it have been more appropriate for POS to use the song When The Whip Comes Down?
LT, I usually find it easy to endorse your judgement, but I must call into question your decision making here.
ReplyDelete-Bohologo
I was thinking '2000 Light Years From Home'.
Godot...
ReplyDeleteThat's a pretty weak ass analogy. And argument by analogy is the weakest form of argument. These arguments are dependent upon the two situations being as close as possible (at least in the ways that are material to the argument). POS and a written off Jag ain't nearly close enough, IMO.
Bohologo: The lyrics to let it bleed lend themsleves nicely to POS and his season. I actually had Starfucker as backup.
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