Monday, March 29, 2010

Making Betts

This is Dickey Betts. If I could play guitar like him that's all I'd do. Seriously. Betts joined the Allman Brothers Band as 2nd guitarist (Duane was even better, crazy as it sounds) in the late 1960's and the sound those two guitars made was as sweet as anything I've heard in my lifetime.

Sublime.

About the prettiest song on earth is "Jessica" which was written by Betts for his daughter. He also wrote "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" and the one song everyone remembers from the Allmans, "Ramblin Man."

Those southern boys sure can play the rock and roll.
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Sometimes when you're cruising the Al Gore the damndest things pop up. One such item appeared on my screen today and honestly left me in shock.

It is here. I don't know a lot about Damien Cox save for the fact that he shows up on tsn a lot and seems to have a strong readership in the big Smoke. Other than that, I couldn't tell you much, which speaks to my ignorance.

The line in question ("best offer the Oilers got for Gilbert at the deadline? A 7th round pick for Gilbert AND a 2nd") is either made up or a reflection 30 addled brains in charge of NHL teams (Tambellini for talking to them and the other 29 for offering). Either way, that tweet (and the addition of "that's the price of bad contracts") is outside what we might call "reasonable."

In examining the issue, Tom Gilbert entered the 2009-10 season playing at a high level. I mentioned two things of note in the "reasonable expectations" post before the season began:
  • Tom Gilbert might be the best defenseman on a club teeming with them. The only question left is something called "established level of ability."
  • Gilbert has a wide range of skills and the areas where he's weak (strong on the puck, reading plays quickly) are the domain of young defensemen and he'll get better.

He went 82gp, 5-40-45 +6 facing the 2nd toughest opponents last season; it is true he had the best pairing available but I think we can agree that the Oilers were paid in full.

This season was a train wreck for the entire team. Injuries, rookie goalies, forwards who looked at times like they were in open auditions for Monty Python's "Race for People with no Sense of Direction." Still, Gilbert's level of play isn't awful (when considering the circumstances).

Gilbert has been facing the toughest opposition (along with the oft-injured Souray this season) and doing it with the worst available pairing among the regulars (those who played 35 games or more). He did start in the Ozone a little more often (51%) but all things considered it looks to me as though he was in the deep end of the pool most of the time.

The Oilers are about -50 at EVs this season, meaning that (all things being equal) an average Oilers defenseman (playing average opponents with average help) should slide in at -17 (50 divided by the three pairings) for 82 games. This works out to -.207 per game.

Gilbert's offense is back on track as of late, saving his season a little (75gp, 3-16-19) but remains a far cry from his first two full NHL seasons. His plus minus (-11 in 75 games) is -.147 per game, and the expectation for his GP would be about -16 for this Oilers team. He's a pretty good bet, even in a tough year spent trying to figure out a new coaching staff and his new role on their team.

We can look further in depth after the season, but a quick glance suggests that Tom Gilbert--age 27--has delivered above average performance even in a season of turmoil. While his offensive numbers aren't at his previous levels, the powerplay has been a constant shuffle and one would guess Gilbert could help on a more organized offensive team.

If those NHL general managers really did make that ridiculous offer for Tom Gilbert there's not much that can be said in their defense. The main currency of the trade deadline is useful defensemen. Tom Gilbert is certainly such a player, $4M cap hit and all.

39 comments:

  1. I'm just glad that offer didn't produce an "alright, how about Gilbert and a 4th rounder for your 7th?" counter from Tambo.

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  2. There is a reason I have Damien Cox blocked on Twitter. He posts inflammatory remarks just to piss people off. He is the lowliest of trolls who happens to have a national audience.

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  3. Obviously, 4m for Gilbert is a heck of a lot better than Souray at any price. Young, strong, smart, developing... Gilbert could be great even on an average team.

    There must be a spelling mistake in that tweet. Makes no sense,

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  4. Damien Cox is a muttonhead. I watch that TSN show The Reporters quite a bit, and even Steve Simmons talks more sense than Cox. He's quite opinionated but has little grasp of the facts. Virtually everything out of his mouth or presumably his keyboard is agenda-driven.

    Gilbert, like Penner, has been an overpay in the early years of his contract but I'm satisfied he'll be somewhere close to value for money over the term of the pact. Unless we do something ultra-dumb like give the guy away.

    I've mostly been happy with his game since December or so. Not perfect but he's reduced the defensive lapses this year, and has always been a heady player.

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  5. "Damien Cox, Toronto Star hockey columnist, loves to stir up trouble while chuckling at the foibles of the sporting world. He'll start with the NHL's Toronto Maple Leafs, an organization he's been snooping around for almost two decades, but is happy to stick his nose into a few other games and places where athletes reside."

    I see that he is doing an "Amazingly bad contracts" sketch. I just tweeted him one: "Amazingly bad contracts III: The Toronto Star actually pays for your bullshit"

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  6. Gilbert gets that but Sutter takes Kotalik no questions asked?

    Hogwash.

    I'm hoping Tambellini sees how well Gilbert is playing with Whitney and sees it as a pair to build on.

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  7. I see something pretty solid in a Whitney/Gilbert top pairing. They both play the type of game that allows them to play a low event/big minute style game. I know Gilbert had 45 pts last year, but I feel like after Whitney came along that Gilbert is ready to become a reliable/coveted player, not to mention a leader.

    Whitney-Gilbert
    Smid-?
    Peckham-Johnson

    It would be nice if the ? would be filled by one Lubomir Visnovsky. But I do believe the Oilers are going to need a waterbug type Dman to fill the ?. Chorney is still a ways away from being ready for primetime.

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  8. Well, when you can replace Gilbert's contributions with Chorney for 20% of the price why wouldn't you get rid of him? Too bad we couldn't do it without giving up a pick.

    God, I just threw up a little, I have no idea how hockey columnists do it.

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  9. I'm inclined to think it is a just a bunch of hogwash. However, just to indulge the thought, so, if that was what the other GMs were willing to give up, it would show that they all believe Tambo is desperate for cap space such that he would give up a quality player and a draft pick to move backward in the draft (i.e. 4th to 7th).

    Does this represent reality ? Does this show how incredible it was to get a 2nd round pick from Nashville for Grebs.

    Further more, is Cox just a mouth piece for Burkie here ? I remember at least two or three reports that Toronto was willing to take Moreau off the Oilers hands if they threw in a 2nd round pick. I think even Dreger threw that out there.

    Just more questions than answers, but if what Cox is saying is true. Then Tambo has two choices - summer buyouts and trips to OC in Oct.

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  10. muttonhead is a word that does not get used enough in daily discourse.

    And the knocks that Gilbert takes are obviously from people who have not watched him play or are ignorant of much of reality and statistics. I believe Gilbert has proven his worth to the coaching staff and thus to management, so I don't worry about selling him at a loss this summer. *fingers crossed*

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  11. Stumbled across this article about Eberle on NHL.com
    Eberle

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  12. Gilbert is good, but if I remember, he began the year with a pretty bad run of 20 or so games. No?

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  13. I know a few reporters, and journalists. They're often okay as human beings, other than for the fact they're totally agenda driven individuals. In other words, you simply do not trust them at their word, unless it's relative to the amount you are going to end up being taken for a ride over.

    Cox I don't mind personally, but it's pretty obvious that he's got the Toronto-centred blinkers on, which among many other things has got his team(the leafs) playing crap hockey for the past 40 years, while the Oilers 20 years ago(but in leafs-speak recent) were an astonishing dynasty.

    In other words it's part jealousy, and part ignorance. And anyway, the Oilers stink, so why should anyone outside Edmonton know or care much about the inner workings of the team?

    Toronto lives in a fantasy that it's "world class", despite the fact that if you have to trumpet this your city is anything but.

    Now if any of you want to read real hack writing, check out Larry Brooks at the NY Post.

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  14. kris: Absolutely. Tough first part of the season. However, he's in his mid-20s and doesn't have a long injury history. I can't imagine another NHL team making that offer and it being the "best" one out there.

    This sounds untrue.

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  15. Gilbert is a damn good defenceman and I'm looking forward to having him on the Oilers for the upcoming years.

    And Damian Cox is a phudu.

    That is all.

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  16. The more I learn about hockey, the thinner the veneer gets on the MSM.

    I find a lot of the hockey knowledge to be as deep as my bathtub.

    If that quote was on Eklund's site it would get the laughs and scorn it deserves.

    Since its reported by someone the general public us supposed to view as knowledgeable it gets legs.

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  17. I don't pay any attention to Damien Cox, who knows how good his sources are. Even if it was true, it may be more a case of the other GM's trying to leverage Tambellini, knowing he needs to move contracts and he has a crappy team.
    I have no problem with Gilbert's game.

    I enjoy your blog!

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  18. Gilbert is a pretty good hockey player. He's not without flaws, but you aren't going to get a flawless defenseman for $4 million bones so why worry about him?

    He's about only one of 5 players on the team that isn't over paid so I could really care less what a columnist in TO thinks about him.

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  19. Woodguy,

    The scarier possibility is that the rumor is true, that GM's don't see Gilbert's worth past his current boxcars.

    I find it plausible, not because Gilbert sucks, but because a lot of GM's do.

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  20. Gilbert is good, but if I remember, he began the year with a pretty bad run of 20 or so games. No?

    Yes indeed. See my comment above about being happy with his game "since December or so". As I recall he was a flu victim but played through it. Bottomed out one night in Calgary when he played like Taylor Chorney on acid. But he started turning it around a little while after that, starting with more solid own-zone play and building from there.

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  21. Cox is a halfwit.

    This is Dickey Betts. If I could play guitar like him that's all I'd do. Seriously.

    You and me both. I can play "Jessica"; that is, I can string together the notes correctly, at the right tempo, but I can't even begin to do it justice. Playing a song like that properly is much more difficult than whipping off crazy technical shred licks could ever be. Dickey Betts is an absolutely fantastic guitarist, and yeah, Duane was better.

    Your Allman Brothers segue made my night.

    Attempting to say something remotely on topic: uh, Cox has a head full of compost. I think he's completely making shit up.

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  22. What if this Damien Cox got some parts right of a bigger story and didn't realize the few bits he was missing mattered, having a head full of equine anal effluent and all?

    Re-write the tweet to be, "as the Oilers tried to leverage themselves into the Kovalchuk talks the Trashers came calling with an offer of Tom Gilbert and a 2nd round draft choice for Kovalchuk and a 7th round pick. Before Edmonton could respond New Jersey made a better offer to Atlanta." Now add a bit of opinion, "it was easily the best offer the Oilers received as they shooped Gilbert around the East Coast", from a knowledgable source. Put that in to the gossip grapevine, iterate it a couple of times, and voila, "the best offer the Oilers got for Gilbert, was Gilbert and 2nd for a 7th."

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  23. Gilbert, like Penner, has been an overpay in the early years

    I don't understand this comment -- seems to be indicative of the general consensus, too.

    82gp, 5-40-45 +6 facing the 2nd toughest opponents. At 4M that's not an overpay at all, if anything it's very good value. He's had a down year, but if he repeats his past season's performance for the next 4 then the contract will be a steal.

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  24. Allman Brothers Live is so worth it I don't know where to begin.

    The Fillmore West show is just about the pinnacle of blues rock.

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  25. Pete: We'll have to get together and run through Jessica, Midnight Rider and Blue Sky one day. How bad can it be? (ducks). :-)

    Coach: Agreed. As good as it gets. "Eat a Peach" is a great album too.

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  26. LT: Thank you for this post. I don't know why, but I always seem to neglect the Allmans.

    I had a shitty day (as shallow shitty days go) of work and the Allmans live at Fillmore is perfect.

    You're good people.

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  27. LT: Heh heh. The only thing more dulcet and pleasing to the ear than one guitarist failing to do justice to the Allman Brothers is two guitarists failing, in harmony.

    My wife's recently been tolerating a friend and I butchering "Paradise City" in the basement. A tolerant woman, she is.

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  28. Coach: No worries. Half way through "Whipping Post" you'll want to run a mile. :-)

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  29. 82gp, 5-40-45 +6 facing the 2nd toughest opponents. At 4M that's not an overpay at all, if anything it's very good value.

    Devin: My take on Gilbert last year was that he had a pretty good season, but was prone to brain cramps at critical times, including four disastrous errors/blunders on late goals against in four one-goal losses, all at home against beatable opponents including killer losses to playoff rivals Nashville and CBJ. So his actual contribution on the W-L front was less than the sum of its stats, as those four mistakes alone cost the Oilers on the order of 5-6 points.

    My more general take on young players like Penner and Gilbert who signed long term deals after their rookie seasons, is that they are going to be much more likely to cover or outperform in year 5 or 6 than in year 1. No startling revelations there, I'm sure.

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  30. I am not a big fan of Gilbert's. He is exactly what he is: a good 2nd pairing offensive D man on a real good Stanley Cup contending team. He is not, as everyone keeps saying, young and he does not play particularly physical.He is also slightly overpaid.

    That said.... Cox's tweet is completely ridiculous. Gilbert would have an 16 to 18 minute a night place on very good teams at his present salary

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  31. PS If Calgary is truly committed to blowing it up after this season, I would love to trade Gilbert plus good prospects to Calgary for Bouwmeester

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  32. Flip the picks and you have an offer that makes more sense.

    Gilbert and a 7th for a 2nd

    Still not a trade anyone with a brain would take but it does sound like the type of trade a GM would test the waters with.

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  33. My take on Gilbert last year was that he had a pretty good season, but was prone to brain cramps at critical times

    I guess I've never noticed anything particular about Gilbert's game melting down at key points. I can remember just as many beauties on the good side of the ledger.

    I don't really believe in 'clutch' or 'poise' so much as aggregate results repeated over a long period of time. Gilbert gets results, and this season is the outlier to the downside.

    I think we're too critical of mistakes by our own guys- there isn't a "star" in the league who you wouldn't catch making the odd dumb mistake at critical times.

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  34. And "Main Stream Media" get mad because anonymous bloggers can say anything they want without consequence?

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  35. The only way to back up the "best offer" part of the Tweet is if it came from the party receiving the offer - i.e. Tambellini or someone close enough to have seen all the offers - who either declared one to be the best or passed on all the offers for Cox to declare one the best.

    Or, it could all be bullsh!t.

    I vote the latter.

    You're just giving a hack undeserved page hits.

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  36. It never ceases to amaze me how someone like Damien Cox can not only get to the position he is at professionally, but stay there as well.

    I guess the proverbial excrement does indeed float.

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  37. I guess I've never noticed anything particular about Gilbert's game melting down at key points.

    I did ... last year. It's hard not to notice plays of Staples type "Primary Errors" and McCurdy type "Unassisted Primary Errors" when they decide crucial games in what was a playoff run, ultimately a failed playoff run.

    Two that I can't get out of my mind were completely abandoning his defensive post for no apparent reason and getting burned by Raffi Torres (of all people) for a breakaway and the only goal in a killer 1-0 regulation loss to CBJ. Well into the third period, it was a game waiting for a mistake and Gilbert made it. Arguably cost the Oilers 1.5 standings points.

    Then there was standing up at centre ice and waving a stick at a lob pass rather than turning tail and getting into position that allowed Marty Reasoner (of all people, again!) to get a breakaway in overtime and cost the Oilers their chance at a critical second point against weak sisters Atlanta.

    Anyway, I am convinced those were episodic/circumstantial events rather than any fundamental weakness in Tom Gilbert's moral fibre, but the bottom line for me last year was I could cite those plays chapter and verse - four of them - and conclude that the $4 MM wasn't entirely well spent.

    Which is completely different from the argument that the contract is $24 million well-spent. I think Gilbert covers that bet; in fact at this moment I am happy with all four long-term pacts with the mid-20s guys. It's the commitments to the older guys that has been hurting this club the most.

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  38. LT - Awesome intro with Dickey and the Allmans. At the top of their game the Allmans were perhaps the best in my book. Like all good musicians there were also a few flops. This is still one of my favorite album covers:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TwoTheHardWay.jpeg

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  39. I don't see why this reflects badly on GMs at all. Non-Edmonton GM floats an obvious lowball offer on a good player hoping that Tambellini, hoping to dump salary and with a penchant of making some ugly moves already, bites.

    Tambellini turns the deal down.

    Unless Green was being actively shopped and the GM making the offer was actually in a competitive bid situation to get Green, why the gnashing of teeth. If Tambellini had accepted the proposing GM would be genius and Tambellini rightly raked over the coals.

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