Friday, May 4, 2007

"Should Be A Reasonably Good Time"

This is Bobby Sheehan, when he was a California Golden Seal. Sheehan was fast, when he was with Montreal there were articles implying he was faster than Yvan Cournoyer (who was real fast, and extremely skilled).

Sheehan played for the Edmonton Oilers of the WHA, a season and a little bit in the mid-70s. Oilers gave up Bob Falkenberg to get him, and he was a pretty good defenseman.

Anyway, I'm using Sheehan as a starting point for the Edmonton Oilers. Incredibly, there have been very few changes over the years for this organization. Most are subtle, like Bob Falkenberg for Bobby Sheehan.

Some are less so, like Glen Sather out, Kevin Lowe in. Let's make a list of major Oil changes throughout their history:




  1. WHA Oilers-The Bill Hunter Era (72-78)
  2. Boys on the Bus, the Golden Years (79-92)
  3. The Sather Coda (93-99)
  4. Lowe and MacTavish (00-07)

Really that's it. Four distinct changes in the life of a franchise fully 35 years old. It isn't many, there are organizations who go through 4 changes in a decade (more when Harold was around).

I think we can begin to see the seeds of a new era in Oilers history being sewn this spring. One of the truly amazing quotes in Oilers history hit the Journal's pages awhile ago:

Nichols says he wouldn’t have traded Pronger so quickly. “To a hockey person, their first mindset is: ‘I’ve been dealt this blow, I’ve got to get the best possible assets in return, to try to keep being competitive and entertaining.’ The business side of me says, ‘Balderdash! As a matter of principle, we had a deal in good faith.’ “I would have said, ‘Ah, sorry, we got a contractual arrangement. Go sit in the corner.’ ” But Nichols says he never told Lowe how to handle the Pronger situation. It’s not his job to assemble the team, he says, it’s Lowe’s job. “This was only in my mind. I didn’t say a word. I trust Kevin Lowe.”

That's a stunner right there, folks. It's hard to imagine a poorer choice of words in this scenario. Actually, it's a great quote IF YOU'VE JUST FIRED KEVIN LOWE. Otherwise, it's a kick in the junk and everyone who has ever been an employee (everyone but the Queen and her photogenic family) knows it, and to end it with "I trust Kevin Lowe" is just so completely ridiculous one hopes he at least choked on it.

I don't know Kevin Lowe from Adam, but I think most of us would react to that (and the season as it rolled out) by aggressively pursuing a "make good" offseason. They bullied us out of what we needed in the summer, and the rosters froze in the season as we haven't seen before, but we'll get them this time. That kind of thing.

Recently, Kevin Lowe held court with the media and gave his state of the Union address. Unlike previous seasons where he seemed to have a strong vision that had legs with the fanbase ("expect the unexpected") this year's model is tentative and without a sell line. Some quotes:



  • "What stands out most for me is the inability to make a deal like we did last year." Us too, Kevin, us too. I don't recall an NHL GM who went from penthouse to the outhouse in a quicker period of time. If he wasn't Kevin Lowe, he might have been fired.
  • "We need, I don't want to say every position but practically every position." Incredible statement for a man who went to G7, SCF last spring but if you listen to the tape no one in the room is disagreeing with him.
  • "In the new cap world, and free agency at a younger age. I think it's a pretty good year for free agents, a decent year." Sounds pretty exciting, eh? I was driving through Montana many years ago when a voice came on the radio promoting the summer fair. At the end of the commercial, the voice said "Montana's Summer Fair, should be a reasonably good time!" I damn near drove off the road laughing, but that's what Lowe seems to be saying. You may not fall asleep! Yahoo!
  • "We'll get involved in free agency and hope we can be successful." If eeyore ever gets a GM job, that should be his motto. Good grief.
  • "If we don't acquire the players we think we need to acquire, to make our team better, we'll have to revert to Plan B, Plan B is making deals for RFA's or just trying to make deals to improve the hockey club." I read this as saying "if we can't hit a home run, we're certainly going to shore up areas of weakness among the second tier." THAT is very good news imo, exactly what they should be doing in a transition season.
  • "I'm fully convinced and supportive of that group (the coaching staff), providing they get the team they need, and they are going to be very active in the construction of the team. To me that's one of the things that I believe is changing as well, almost like an NFL model where the coaching staff participates in the player selection." Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but the portion in bold seems to imply that some things may be out of the hands of Lowe and MacT. Is that reaching? I don't honestly know. Maybe we can assume he's talking about the request for a larger budget. I had no idea that there were NHL teams that didn't allow the coach massive input on player procurement. I assume they are teams like Columbus.
  • "Mac and I have had that kind of relationship in terms of player selection, not so much in the draft but in players trades and stuff." I'm not certain this remains true. For instance, can you imagine MacT not saying anything about the defense this season? Maybe I'm making too much of this, but any good coach (or baseball manager) is going to want a replacement for his poor fielding, .220 hitting second baseman who doesn't walk much and has no power. Right? Tell me there's a coach or baseball manager who would allow a very poor player 500 at-bats without saying a word. Whoever it is, I don't want that guy coaching my hockey team.

It seems to me the Edmonton Oilers this summer are as confused as they've been since the Bill Hunter years when he fired coaches approximately one half hour after telling the media there was no way he was going to fire the coach (Hunter did some strange things with his coaches, kind of like Lou in New Jersey).

Are we seeing the beginning of another shift in franchise history? Probably. However, it should be a reasonably good time watching.

22 comments:

  1. Lowetide, did you get a chance to listen to Scott Howson?

    He came across sounding like the Oilers will be increasing their budget significantly this year.

    I'd love to not complain about EIG next year...

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  2. OMG - Katz bids on the oilers.....145M. Please accept it, EIG

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  3. "Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but the portion in bold seems to imply that some things may be out of the hands of Lowe and MacT. Is that reaching?"

    I think Lowe may actually be taking some responsibility here. "If I can give them the team they need, they'll do well; if they don't get it, it's my fault, not theirs." Maybe he foresees another flop of a season and doesn't want his old friend getting it in the neck when the EIG runs the GM out of town on a rail.

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  4. It seems like the next era is shaping up--Katz as owner, new arena, and maybe even a new GM if KLowe doesn't turn it around.

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  5. My first post on LT's blog. I'm very excited- LT this is the finest writing on oilers hockey on the net. Period.

    As for the article, I'd suggest that we need to give Lowe and Co. until September before we can make claims like the oilers are "as confused as they've been since the bill hunter years." I'm sure, as we speak, Lowe and co. are going through exactly the same questions as its fan base is (i.e. is next year a non-playoff year, what's the quickest way back to long term success, and where do we shore up the many problems we have with the limited budge we've been given).

    Although it doesn't seem like Lowe has answers to those questions yet, its only May. When the draft arrives, and then July 1st, me-thinks that we'll see a more confident management group aggressively following a path that they feel is the correct one.

    I just hope that path entails getting Wade Redden out of Ottawa...

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  6. Scene: That fucking dump, Rexall Place. The arena sits empty, on an off-day in the winter of 2006-07. Craig MacTavish approaches Kevin Lowe, purpose in his step:

    MacT: "You cheap son of a bitch. Are you crazy? These guys (Smid and Greene) are retards!" (It's actually somewhat strange that that's the real quote, given MacT's unfortunate choice of words earlier this year.)

    Lowe: "I got a good deal on those boys. Why Smid only cost the best defenceman in the league. The scout - the same guy who scouted Alexei Mikhnov - says those boys show a lot of promise."

    MacT: "They brought their fuckin' toys with them."

    Lowe: "I'd rather have 'em play with their toys than play with themselves."

    MacT: "They're too dumb to play with themselves. Every piece of garbage that comes on the market, you gotta buy it!"

    Lowe: "MacT, that reminds me...I was coaching in Edmonton in 2000-01 and Glen Sather gives me this guy who's a terrible masturbator. Turns out that that was about the only thing he could touch without having an allergic reaction...what was his name???"

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  7. Heh. MC, somehow I don't think MacT would be quite that vulgar. Though, hilarious to watch for sure.

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  8. LT I think you've been reacting a bit too strongly to Lowe's language. I think he's just getting used to the PR of a GM's job and trying to lower expectations... I don't think you can read much from it in terms of what will actually happen. I'd say the same things. If I were a GM I'm not going to promise a big name free agent when I've offered huge money to guys like Chara and Niedermayer and it never worked.

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  9. Is it really such a big deal that Lowe stays on? I mean today's Journal was the 89th example of why the Pronger trade was so bloody bad. You think Lowe would make Matty stop writing about it because Burke comes across as so patronizing that it makes me gag. Though I will admit today's paper gave us a new wrinkle where Burke told us the only guys he was prepared to give up were the ones Lowe took.

    Basically Burke said "Yes I'll take one of the league's best D and I won't give you fuckall for him, either. Does that sound like something you be interested in?"

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  10. Dennis: When I was a kid, my Dad would read me stories from the newspaper about Japanese soldiers hiding in trees in the 1960s because they thought WW2 was ongoing.

    Just saying, brother. :-)

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  11. If Lowe is on the ball he'll take some flyers on old UFAs by handing out fat one year contracts. It'll really help jump start the rebuilding process by adding multiple firsts again at the deadline.

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  12. I can't do it. Well at least not until those guys look like they deserved to be part of that deal OR Lowe pulls another two good trades that restores my faith in him. Until then I'll see this as the day everyone should've realized that Lowe wasn't the right guy for the job. And let's not forget that everyone thought I was nuts for saying that the Oilers should've bought out Salo too. Well not everyone mind you;) but lots of people:D

    My point is that if you don't slam Lowe or mistrust him over this deal, then you're almost as big a fool as he was for making it.

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  13. Lowetide said...
    Dennis: When I was a kid, my Dad would read me stories from the newspaper about Japanese soldiers hiding in trees in the 1960s because they thought WW2 was ongoing.


    Hey LT, do you remember the Japanese at home in the 1960's saying "Hey, that WW2 thing went pretty well for us. Sure we got nuked at the end, but it was fun while it lasted."

    Just saying.

    Dennis is a stubborn SOB, but maybe if more people acknowledged what a shit sandwich that deal was, regardless of Pronger's request, he wouldn't feel obliged to bring it up all the time.

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  14. Dennis: I understand. Defending that trade on any level in hindsight is impossible.

    RQ: No, but I do remember a Rolling Stone interview mid-70s in which a German barkeep who served David Bowie and the RS writer drinks during an interview kept saying "we were THIS close to winning the war!" OT, but I'll never forget that interview.

    Is there anyone really defending that trade? I don't think there is.

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  15. There certainly are still some people defending that trade. Every reporter who writes a story on the deal without saying, "how in the fuck didn't the Oilers at least get Beachemin and Getzlaf", those guys are defending the trade. Every guy that comes to the blogs or posts on HF who says, "well, Lowe's hands were tied", those guys are defending the trade.

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  16. Dennis: I don't agree. At some point you have to move on or it becomes an obsession. For a Journal or Sun writer to bring that up again is basically kicking a dead dog imo.

    As for HF, well there is a wide variety of age and experience on that board but I haven't read any of the established group mentioning it as something that Lowe may one day be proud of.

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  17. Would you call Dawgbone an established member? I sure would and he's a guy that defends Lowe on this move.

    As for the writers, I don't think you can ever write about that deal without attaching something like "the eminently curious" to it. Fuck, the guys at the BGlobe are still vomiting over the Thornton return.

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  18. One thing I do not get is how MacT shares zip of the load here.

    At least Lowe said we need help at almost every position including D. Yet the only thing I have heard MacT say we need is a high offensive forward who can skate with and throw the puck around with Hemmer and be a right shot forward for down low on the PP.

    The closest I have heard him come to saying we need a D was that we need a left shooting point shot but that could be a forward for all we know.

    MacT was the first one to mention he would be more involved this year in player acquisition. So one has to think if they do not really make things right on the back end then MacT definitely had something to do with that. He just seems very focused about upfront offense and the PP.

    I do feel LT you are reading too much into Lowe's comments. Honestly saying he needs to fill a number of holes (through trade, RFA trade and UFA free agents) and the budget to make it happen will be higher strikes me as saying something.

    That is a heck of a lot better than saying like last year a vague expect the unexpected (like you will expect me to do something but I will not, is that what he meant?) and then when repeatedly asked about the D situation he says we are fine and if not he will wait 50 to 60 games and then will try to make a trade.

    The year before that it was we have no interest in Selanne, Bondra, Whitney et al... Then we watched most of the year as Harvey, Laraque etc... played top 6 wing. He said we were good in net and obviously that was a nightmare.

    If anything he seems more determined than ever to do get the job done and does not seem to be in denial and is open to a plan B or C for once if Plan A (ie - We did not get Forsberg and lowballed Kariya by 1.5 mill so forget it we will go into the season with what we have instead of picking up someone cheap like Whitney etc...) fails.

    That has been my beef with Lowe he comes up with a plan and when it does not go smoothly he has nothing else and gives up or puts it off. No alternate plan and like you say LT, I agree about hitting some of the 2nd tier guys.

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  19. Oilerdiehard: I don't quite understand your criticism of MacT here.

    I will say this - MacT tends to speak the truth to the media. If he really is involved with player acquisition this time, it's in everyone's best interests that he say as little as possible. Better still, if he starts sending out disinformation. Catch my drift?

    I'm not implying that's what he's doing here, I'm just saying I'd rather he shut the hell up and let Lowe do the lying.

    As far as what he has said - he's absolutely right about the need for a high-end forward and players for the PP. This year's PP unit was an atrocity and this team probably needed another good forward BEFORE losing Ryan Smyth. Now it's a freaking epidemic easily on par with the need for another dman.

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  20. Riv - You misunderstood my post if you think I was merely ripping on MacT. I happen to agree with most of what he is saying as well.

    Just that if you going dissect Lowe's comments infinitum and then not even mention what MacT has been saying at all seems extremely unfair. It seemed like LT was saying if we do something up front and not enough on the back end then Lowe should be roasted. Yet MacT seems to not mention the back end at all when talking about what we need next year so his input to Lowe may be do something minor on the back end and get us help up front and on the PP.

    I am just saying given all the comments that maybe MacT was partially the reason not enough may be done to the D corps and would deserve to be on the roaster skewer with an apple in his mouth next to Lowe.

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